View Full Version : Any new info on the Houston, Tx. situation
Pilot97
05-14-2007, 03:24 PM
virgoamm, what club that you work at?
virgoamm
05-15-2007, 11:24 AM
thanks you guys! im wearing a bikini that covers my whole butt and a top that covers everything as well. they can't come after me for anything if i keep my bikini on the whole time right? even if im giving a lapdance?
^^You have to be careful though. The way I interpreted it was that if just one person doesn't abide by the rules, everyone is at risk.
So you got hired at my club? Can you do nights? The only reason I'm asking is because I've heard bad things about dayshift, to the point to where one of our main managers won't even let them work nights.
And that was this shift that was raided about a month or so ago.
But hell, who knows what's going to happen with all of this. I'm well prepared to go to either Dallas or Austin to work if it comes down to that. Well, until my lease is up and I can get the F out of here. >:(
redhothoney
05-15-2007, 12:26 PM
i haven't worked there since october and have only worked there a handful of times.
redhothoney
05-15-2007, 12:29 PM
it sucked last night! i only made 100 well time to go somewhere else....
ScarletPhoenix
05-15-2007, 04:48 PM
I work at Legends, and I bolted mere minutes after I arrived on Monday. The usual "after work" crowd wasn't there. Instead, there were about ten dudes that I didn't recognize at all, patiently waiting around. None of them were even complaining about the lack of a stripper on stage. And it was 2.5 hours after opening time! Fishy . . .
When I went back to the dressing room, I found that we were going from full nude to latex 3in around the nipple and full back bottoms. Ouch. I didn't have a single full back with me. So I go back out to my car to go buy one from the shop down the street.
And then the cops pull into the parking lot.
I'm not sure what happened, if we were about to get raided, or if it was just a friendly visit, or what, but I didn't stick around to find out! I tore the hell out of there. In fact, I'm now making plans to leave the city and start up somewhere else.
Austin, San Francisco, Phoenix, Tuscon, L.A., Las Vegas, and Dallas are all potential candidates. If anyone would like to reccomend one of those cities, or dissuade me from ever working there, please PM me. I'm desperate, as I'm very broke now, and need to get on the road ASAP.
Adelina
05-15-2007, 05:40 PM
From what know, Austin doesn't get raided. Austin girls, correct me if I am wrong. A friend of mine from Austin was arrested when she worked in Houston a month or two ago. She sweared she'll stay at home in Austin and never travel anywhere else for work. My club in Dallas was visited by TABC last week. From what I've seen, police raids are followed by TABC visits. 2 or 3 years ago, can't remember for sure, my Dallas club was visited by undercover cops quite regularly during spring months. And I work at a clean club compared to many others.
If you want to stay in TX, I'd say you are somewhat safer in Dallas than in Houston at the moment, but your safest bet would be Austin, in my opinion.
Don't know about other cities. Feel for you, girl. I am nervous, myself. It's pre-election time.
ScarletPhoenix
05-15-2007, 06:02 PM
election time?
*pukes on ballot*
There's my vote.
Bridgette
05-15-2007, 06:53 PM
Scarlet, I think I'd scratch every one of those cities from that list and start a new one if I were you. Well, except maybe Vegas. AZ is overrun with dancers and the real estate market here is retarded now; LA - have you *ever* heard anything good about dancing in LA?? San Francisco is a hard place to make money and a VERY expensive place to live; Austin and Dallas will probably be flooded with escaping Houston girls. Vegas is slow in summer but if you live and work there regularly, it's possible to make a good living. AND the cost of living in Vegas is still relatively low. Lower than Phoenix, for example.
redhothoney
05-15-2007, 07:20 PM
Are there any safe clubs in Houston? probably the dumbest question i've ever asked...
Adelina
05-15-2007, 09:11 PM
I agree with Bridget that Houston girls will be and probably are already working in Austin and Dallas clubs. I've been seeing a lot of new faces at my home club in Dallas. However, if you are a "clean" dancer, I'll be glad to help you with any information you need if you ever choose to try Dallas. I am open to helping girls who keep the standards of a classy establishment.
redhothoney
05-15-2007, 10:07 PM
There are alot of houston dancers that meet the stereotype of a typical stripper, it's easy for people that haven't frequented stripclubs in other cities or states to hate all dancers. Since, trashy drug addicted extras are the majority of the dancers they've met. I hate Houston!! I can't wait to finish school...
Farrah_Holiday
05-16-2007, 12:26 AM
From today's Houston Chronicle, a front page story about the SC's becoming Bikini Bars!:
http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4798007.html
It seems like many of the SC owners think that they can get around the new law by becoming "Bikini Bars!".
The idea is that there would be no true nudity and that the Sexual Business Ordinance would not apply.
Do you think it will work? Will earnings be the same, or will customers complain?
Dose anyone have any experience with this scenario, and how it worked? Are there any cities where this is currently being done, and how is it working?
NB:Richard_Head says in a post that this is being done in Scottsdale, Az. but the dances are only $10! Richard, were the dances $20 previously?
I was dancing in Houston in 97' when they first tried to close down the clubs. We wore latex that covered most of our breasts and full backs.
All of which the manager provided for us ( I worked at the Ritz). The clubs were ghost towns. I remember almost getting evicted from my townhouse.
Most of the girls travel to Austin, Dallas & San Antonio. The ones who stayed tried to get hired at clubs outside the city limits, like Lipstick's, Heartbreakers, ST. James & Houston Dolls. All these clubs were packed with dancers, Heartbreakers would have 100+ dancers a night. Many of my friends started doing private dances for their regulars or gravitated to studios.
Personally I fluctuated between St.James & The Ritz. The Ritz has a huge VIP room upstairs and no one but VIP card holders are allowed up there. Plus you can see when the police walk in.
After a while (3-6 months) everything went back to normal, the only change was the license requirement. I wonder if the same thing will happen this time or if the clubs are really going to close down for good.
I just can't see it happening, as the clubs generate so much revenue for the city.
austinatalie
05-16-2007, 01:47 PM
Austin is already flooded with houston girls, watch out!
Never forget about dancing in El Paso. That is a viable option as they have quite a few clubs and a low cost of living.
Adelina
05-16-2007, 04:04 PM
I agree with Tina. We had an El Paso girl working in Dallas for a little bit, she said she didn't like it as much in Dallas, she didn't come back.
redhothoney
05-16-2007, 08:31 PM
i'm not going to bombard someone else's club that's annoying i can find other work if it gets too dead at the club im at i really just need to make rent for july (june is paid already) so i can relax while im on the hunt for a real job.
virgoamm
05-17-2007, 12:29 AM
Does anyone have any new info? I'm really curious as to how all of this is going to turn out.
I was watching TV tonight (channel 13) and they're going to have a story about it tomorrow at six.
Boy, I picked a bad time to start dancing! I haven't even been at my club for a year and I'm stuck in Houston until October...:(
WiseGuy_TX
05-17-2007, 04:53 AM
...rumor is the Jackpot clubs and maybe some other clubs have filed for an injunction (or perhaps the right for amortization). Which could be denied next week for all we know. Also, rumor is some/or all SOB licenses have been pulled. I went to a few clubs yesterday for a few hours. Saw a few girls with pasties/full bottoms but most girls did not have tops/pasties/bottoms.
Spidey
05-17-2007, 11:07 AM
On May 8th the City Council of El Paso passed an ordinance that would impose a 6 foot minimum distance between stripper and customers during dances. The ordinance takes effect in 90 days, Dancers are already flocking to Red Parrot, Zebras and even Montana Hideaway which are the only clubs located outside of the city limits. I was at the Red Parrot yesterday and dancers outnumbered customers 3 to 1 (I had a great time!), Just wanted to update you if you are thinking of trying El Paso.
leah_danielle4
05-17-2007, 01:02 PM
I work as a doorgirl over at Riviera, and we're supposedly supposed to be running as a Bikini Bar for a couple of weeks or so and see how it goes. All girls are wearing full bottoms and pasties, or just keeping tops on. I've only had a couple of customers complain about it, but other than that, they still seem just as interested. We'll see how it goes on the weekend, if a crowd shows up or not.
Yes, as wiseguy_tx said, there are clubs filing for an injunction. I know that we are one of them. It's a lot of the older clubs that have been around for a really long time, that were supposed to get 'grandfathered' around the law but then that all changed. I'll post updates about it as I learn more.
And someone mentioned something about petitions, and yeah, they have the same ones at riviera for the customers to sign. I'll try to get a copy and share it with ya'll as soon as I can. From what I remember, it basically focuses on the fact that money and time can be better spent elsewhere than on sobs.
I work tonight, so I'll try to find out more information.
423texas
05-17-2007, 02:08 PM
leah_danille4,
Is the Riviera on Westheimer? And is it a totally nude club or a topless club?
I can see how a topless club like Centerfolds might make it as a Bikini Bar, if all the other topless clubs do likewise. But it's hard to see how the totally nude clubs can make it as Bikini Bars, especially since they don't sell alcohol
WiseGuy_TX
05-17-2007, 05:48 PM
...just saw the local abc13 report. Fucking slanted embellished reporting and their "statistics" were so fucking flawed. I've looked at the HPD crime stats related to several club locations and ABC13's lack of truth and ethics makes me puke. ABC13 was mapping crimes "near" SOBs then implying SOB's are causing it, just shameful. 99.9% of crimes below aren't a result of people in/at SOB's dumbass'es. Hey, ABC13 turn on your fucking map showing ALL the other crimes in Houston and show the fucking truth about where and how much crime is happening all over town proving how moron Mayor White would rather waste tax dollars on his moralistic agenda .
Mar07 Feb07 Mar06 %ChngeMar06
Driving While Intoxicated 505 323 324 55.9%
Murder&Nonnegligent Manslghter 35 25 35 0.0%
Aggravated Assault 937 756 907 3.3%
Robbery 840 691 933 -10.0%
Auto Theft 1719 1438 1653 4.0%
Burglary 2200 1963 2067 6.4%
Burglary of a Motor Vehicle 1664 1512 1751 -5.0%
Narcotic Drug Laws 1364 1265 1111 22.8%
Forcible Rape 37 37 70 -47.1%
Here you go kids. Click below and see for yourself Houstons crime wave last month. Click on the DOTs to see the crime info. Out of towner's will have to look up where SOB's are located to see how irrelevant 99.9% of the crimes are to SOB's. Look at 18G30 and 18G20 (Mens Club, Treasures, etc..)since thats the location of several SOB's and the ones ABC13 used. Look at the top 20 list (not even close to SOB's).
http://home.houston.rr.com/ecarlson/crimestats/index.html
...there, i fucking ranted.
MODS: Please fix my table. Thanks.
liberator
05-17-2007, 06:09 PM
Bottom line is SOB'S do not cause negative secondary effects. The 1997 Fulton County Study proved that as did the Macklenburg North Carolina Study and many others commissioned by Daniel Linz. The media are imbeciles who take the government line hook and sinker and never bother to question it.
miabella
05-17-2007, 07:03 PM
i would be interested to know how the stage tipping is going at the nude bars (legends and riviera are nude and byob) now that they are bikini. because stage money is generally amazing at nude bars in houston compared to topless ones.
Bridgette
05-17-2007, 07:04 PM
...just saw the local abc13 report. Fucking slanted embellished reporting and their "statistics" were so fucking flawed. I've looked at the HPD crime stats related to several club locations and ABC13's lack of truth and ethics makes me puke. ABC13 was mapping crimes "near" SOBs then implying SOB's are causing it, just shameful. 99.9% of crimes below aren't a result of people in/at SOB's dumbass'es. Hey, ABC13 turn on your fucking map showing ALL the other crimes in Houston and show the fucking truth about where and how much crime is happening all over town proving how moron Mayor White would rather waste tax dollars on his moralistic agenda .
Mar07 Feb07 Mar06 %ChngeMar06
Driving While Intoxicated 505 323 324 55.9%
Murder&Nonnegligent Manslghter 35 25 35 0.0%
Aggravated Assault 937 756 907 3.3%
Robbery 840 691 933 -10.0%
Auto Theft 1719 1438 1653 4.0%
Burglary 2200 1963 2067 6.4%
Burglary of a Motor Vehicle 1664 1512 1751 -5.0%
Narcotic Drug Laws 1364 1265 1111 22.8%
Forcible Rape 37 37 70 -47.1%
Here you go kids. Click below and see for yourself Houstons crime wave last month. Click on the DOTs to see the crime info. Out of towner's will have to look up where SOB's are located to see how irrelevant 99.9% of the crimes are to SOB's. Look at 18G30 and 18G20 (Mens Club, Treasures, etc..)since thats the location of several SOB's and the ones ABC13 used. Look at the top 20 list (not even close to SOB's).
...there, i fucking ranted.
MODS: Please fix my table. Thanks.Send that info in a letter to the editor of all the local papers. If the clubs are smart, they'll make a commercial publicizing this info and air that shit all over the local channels as well. Stuff like that is partly how Snottsdale, AZ clubs beat the city out of closing them down.
WiseGuy_TX
05-17-2007, 10:01 PM
...and the Mayor and ABC13 can shove the property devaluation argument up their ass too.
Bridgette
05-18-2007, 02:27 AM
Like I said, publicize it. Put it in a letter to the editor with your backup data. You're preaching to the choir here.
leah_danielle4
05-18-2007, 09:27 AM
Yes, Riviera is on westheimer and a full nude (or was rather) to whoever asked. As for tips, its hard to tell at this moment, its been super slow this week due to the publicity of all this shit and miscommunication to the public. A lot of people think we've been closed all week. We'll see how it goes tonight.
But the thing about succeeding as a bikini bar after being full nude is that we feel we almost have something else to offer in that it is byob. Customers that come love that fact and feel that its cheaper and that's why they keep coming back. We can succeed in charging more as an entry charge because we don't do drink minimums and the such.
And the latest I've heard in the injection is that our lawyer says that it is looking really good. Thats all i was able to get as an update last night.
Corgan
05-19-2007, 06:15 AM
i feel like this is affecting beaumont too... they are making all of the stripclubs in my area raise the entry price $5 more than it is. I think, however, that my boss is only going to charge $8 (it used to be $6) because he knows it will SUCK for everyone if it gets raised to $11
weekends, 11 is fine! on tuesdays and what not, fuck no.
i wont be in beaumont much longer but you know :) its home to me.
Bridgette
05-19-2007, 07:08 AM
^Did you not read about the new statewide "tax" on stripclub entry fees that just passed in Texas? $5 is to be collected at the door from every customer to support a fund for "victims of sexual crimes". That is a completely separate thing from what's going on in Houston. There was a post about it somewhere on here...
Corgan
05-19-2007, 07:29 AM
NO i didn't read that bridgette!!! whew.
Bridgette
05-19-2007, 07:35 AM
I wish I could find the post but I can't remember where the hell it was and it wasn't in a Houston thread, I think. But there was a link to the story in one of the papers.
miabella
05-19-2007, 11:42 AM
that mandatory charge won't last long if houston successfully closes shop on 1/3 of the charge's potential revenue (the houston area has a disproportionate share of all texas stripclubs). it also won't last if houston clubowners argue about having to pay it when their girls are bikinied and say hooters doesn't have do though its girls are dressed as skimpily. because you know hooters isn't going to pay it if they don't have to.
by tying the fee to rape victims, the implication is that any man who goes to a titty bar is a 'potential rapist' and should be taxed for daring to visit.
needless to say, the charge was pushed forward by a woman who had never been inside a stripclub and found it awful for a man to ever have done so.
Richard_Head
05-19-2007, 12:18 PM
Has anybody tried to take this to a public vote? It worked here in Scottsdale and in Seattle to name just a few. I think it's worth a try in Houston (and apparently El Paso now), people are getting tired of having morality crammed down their throats and given the choice most reasonable people will support the clubs.
423texas
05-19-2007, 06:15 PM
Has anybody tried to take this to a public vote? It worked here in Scottsdale and in Seattle to name just a few. I think it's worth a try in Houston (and apparently El Paso now), people are getting tired of having morality crammed down their throats and given the choice most reasonable people will support the clubs.
Hey Richard,
What do you mean by a public vote?
I guess we could contact our City Councilman and try to get them involved in rescinding the ordinance. But that would be tough. I don't think any of them have the balls (or shall we say the courage), to do the right thing. And our Mayor, Bill White has definitely come out against the SC's!
Morally and economically, the SOB ordinance is silliness! But how do we get a politician to be honest and admit this, and do something about it?
When you say that it worked is Scottsdale and Seattle. What did they do there? And how did they do it?
Bridgette
05-19-2007, 06:43 PM
Do a search around here for Scottsdale strip club ban, or Seattle dance ban. We've discussed both quite a bit and there are links to news stories posted.
Basically, the clubs and supporters in both cities petitioned to get the offending ordinances put on public ballot, so the VOTERS could decide at the next regular election. In both cases, the ordinances failed to pass public vote. In Scottsdale's case, they had people out on the streets in giant bunny suits (like the easter bunny) taking signatures on their petitions. It worked - they got more than enough ;D
If yall want to do something about this in Houston (and the statewide thing as well), yall should get some petitions started, get the necessary registered voters to sign them, and force the city/state to put these issues on public ballot. If the clubs are smart they'll hire a lawyer that can advise them on exactly how to go about it. But it's not gonna happen if everyone waits around for someone else to do it. Someone needs to get off their ass and start getting some petitions signed by registered voters, and FAST. It can start with just one person.
redhothoney
05-19-2007, 08:35 PM
How has everyone done this past week I only worked once I'm waiting for the publicity to die down.
virgoamm
05-19-2007, 09:02 PM
I worked last night and it was absolutely HORRIBLE. If this is any indication of things to come, I'm definitely going to start working in another city.
It was the shittiest night I've had since I've begun dancing, and that's saying a LOT. Since we're in the county and it doesn't affect us, nearly all of our custys were new.
They were all extras hounds who had fled from other clubs who were looking for sex, BJ's and for you to go home with them. And ghetto ass cheap custys who wouldn't even bother to tip you on stage unless you danced to rap/r&b, were chunky/not in shape and couldn't hold a conversation to save your life.
Not to say that my club was perfect by any means, but it's become absolutely intolerable from what I saw last night.
It was so bad I started crying on the way home.
I don't even think you can call it a "gentlemens club" anymore. It has now become a john/ghetto club.
Silly me for thinking that this would make our club better. Now it's brought in all the hookers from other clubs, their johns and cheap-ass guys.
Ugh >:(
redhothoney
05-19-2007, 09:16 PM
They should get stricter on hiring girls, but you know they want the tipout money from all of those extra girls too. I mean does it really help the club out if they have all pretty girls? I wish it did, but after what these houston men are used to we don't have a fighting chance...
virgoamm
05-19-2007, 09:32 PM
I know, but why do they have to be so damn greedy?????? They make plenty of money off of alcohol sales, door entry, tipouts and credit card fees.
I would venture to guess one of the reasons this is all happening is because the clubs have become the way they are.
So wouldn't it make sense to try and do everything they could to keep their clubs open??? Ummmm, by possibly making them cleaner and upping their standards?
$$%^U%^#^%#& I'm so pissed right now. I didn't even go in tonight b/c last night was so traumatizing.
The sad thing is that I have to keep working so I can save up enough $$ to get the hell out of here.
BalletBaby
05-19-2007, 10:25 PM
Cripes I haven't worked since the 10th. Is it going downhill that fast?! Shit, if I have to I'll start a damn petition. How can you do it?
And I worked in New Orleans on the 15th and 16th. It was kinda slow, but I still made money and the trip was worth it. It felt like the money was a lot easier to make than in Houston. One guy gave me $60 for a dance; I had to give the club $10 so I still got $50! And he was a gentleman too! Although I was only there two days so I can't say how it normally is, but if work here sucks, I'll definately go back.
Adelina
05-20-2007, 01:16 AM
For any of you girls who are heading to Dallas because of the Houston vice situation, please be careful. My club was visited by TABC twice in the past week, and vice came in in the past 30 min before closing Saturday night and gave a couple of warnings. They were walking all over the club and watching. Which means they'll probably be back again soon. Plus, it's been very slow.
redhothoney
05-20-2007, 01:33 AM
I know that alot of other cities are worried about their clubs getting flooded with trashy houston girls. I think that 7's & up should only be allowed to work in SC's, nice body shape, good hygiene, mani & pedis, nice skin, and classy outfits should be mandatory. Also drug free too!
Adelina
05-20-2007, 01:40 AM
I just talked to a girl who dances in Austin full time. She said the dances there have become considerably dirtier. And that's in Austin, the city where an air dance wouldn't fly.
BalletBaby
05-20-2007, 10:54 AM
I just talked to a girl who dances in Austin full time. She said the dances there have become considerably dirtier. And that's in Austin, the city where an air dance wouldn't fly.
Are you serious?:O Someone needs to call an exterminator. These houston hookers spread faster than fucking cockroaches. Grrr>:(
miabella
05-20-2007, 12:17 PM
not every houston dancer on the run from the current situation is an extras girl. it's really kind of disheartening to see that sort of intra-industry hating and blaming and accusing.
houston dancers didn't flood the city with so many clubs. that was men. they didn't create aspd.net, where guys can find out which clubs have girls that perform extras. that was men. the idea that any houston dancer woke up one day and was like 'i think i'll suck dick for money, but call myself a stripper!' is just ridiculous. considering how many girls on this site feel they HAVE TO strip, that it's the ONLY POSSIBLE option to make 'decent' money, the vitriol at dancers thinking the same thoughts trapped in a town flooded with clubs and not enough customers and their relatively logical responses to same is just unfair and rude.
virgoamm
05-20-2007, 01:57 PM
BalletBaby and Miabella, I agree with both of you-if that makes any sense.
First off, I absolutely hate that all Houston dancers are lumped into one category. The fact that I would be seen that way by people who work in other cities just sickens me.
On the other hand, I can understand why they feel that way. Houston has a notoriously bad reputation for extras and prostitution. And lets face it-a lot of girls do it and management could care less. But-there are also so many beautiful, educated, classy and fun girls who would never, ever stoop that low.
I also don't buy the fact that dances in Austin have gotten dirtier. If they have been clean up until now, why would they suddenly let girls get away with contact that has never been allowed?
Bridgette
05-20-2007, 02:20 PM
I also don't buy the fact that dances in Austin have gotten dirtier. If they have been clean up until now, why would they suddenly let girls get away with contact that has never been allowed?1) The dances in Austin haven't ever been air dances, at least not in 10 years or so - it IS lapdancing in Austin and 2) the managers there don't really care - they just like having more girls to pay housefees, and I suspect they are used to not getting raided so they have no motivation to try to keep it clean. I TOTALLY believe dances in Austin have suddenly gotten dirtier if there's alot of new Houston girls there - I do believe Houston dances in general are probably much higher contact than what Austin girls are used to.
Corgan
05-20-2007, 02:25 PM
i agree with that, because im an hour or so from houston... and i'm used to high contact.
Bridgette
05-20-2007, 04:56 PM
Btw, I know bit about Austin because I lived/worked there for around a year and travelled there occasionally for a few years before that.