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Adelina
05-20-2007, 08:31 PM
Austin dances were not very clean a few years ago when I worked there but you could get away with "fighting" with mister octopus hands, I thought about trying Austin again since the chances Dallas will be visited by cops in the near future are quite high. But after I was told the dances there have got dirtier, I can only imagine how dirty they are now. And I hear guys get pissed if you don't provide high milage since everyone around you does. That would be a deal breaker for me.

Bridgette
05-20-2007, 11:28 PM
Yeah, I think if I were in TX and wanted to travel to get away from mileage and such, I'd just leave the whole state ;)

It might be worth making a pitstop in New Orleans to check out the new Scores.

liberator
05-21-2007, 09:47 AM
I don't see Dallas Clubs being raided. Vinnie Paul who was the drummer for Pantera and now drums for HellYeah owns a club in Dallas and has everything under control.

WiseGuy_TX
05-21-2007, 10:13 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4821022.html

City's sex-business cut: $600,000 a year
Cabaret crackdown could jeopardize tax revenue, but some say it's worth it

By MATT STILES

"....During the 10 years the city has fought in court for tougher rules regulating Houston's strip clubs, it has also accepted at least $6 million of their money.

That's the city's cut from nearly half a billion dollars in beer, wine and liquor sales inside the dozens of topless clubs that have operated since 1997, according to state tax records examined by the Houston Chronicle.

From one perspective, the sales figures and resulting tax revenue show a thriving industry popular among some residents, tourists and conventioneers.

"The numbers reveal the degree to which this is something that people patronize," said John Weston, a Los Angeles-based attorney leading the preparation of a federal appeal on behalf of Houston's cabarets.

Weston and other lawyers have asked the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans to stop the city's pending enforcement so they can prepare an appeal of Atlas' decision.

At least 16 cabaret clubs also recently filed challenges in Harris County district courts, seeking more time to recoup their investments before the Houston Police Department's vice unit moves in.

And last week, a Houston bookstore went to federal court seeking a stay of enforcement on the grounds that its "primary purpose" isn't oriented to sex, officials say.

Asked whether he was concerned about the potential loss of mixed-beverage revenue should these clubs close, Mayor Bill White said, "People can find a place where they can have a drink that doesn't need to degrade women."

liberator
05-21-2007, 10:44 AM
The Mayor is a complete loony tune. Doesn't he know that government has no business legislating morality in this fashion. The 5th Circuit will issue an injunction sooner than later and it will be back to business as usual.

doc-catfish
05-21-2007, 11:28 AM
Asked whether he was concerned about the potential loss of mixed-beverage revenue should these clubs close, Mayor Bill White said, "People can find a place where they can have a drink that doesn't need to degrade women."

Yep, go ahead and get violently wasted at the watering hole of your choosing. Just don't ogle any titties while you do it. Alcohol good. Strippers bad.

And feel free to drive your inebriated ass home on our transportation infrastructure when you're done. Smash into a minivan full of children on their way to soccer practice. Its not like that sort of thing is a negative secondary effect or something.
::)

virgoamm
05-21-2007, 12:10 PM
1) I TOTALLY believe dances in Austin have suddenly gotten dirtier if there's alot of new Houston girls there

^^^Yeah, I guess if you're disrespectful and don't follow the rules of whatever club/city you go to.

So are you saying, for example, if you primarily work in a club where boob and butt grabbing is the norm and you go to a city where little to no contact is allowed, you're going to let everyone manhandle you??

Break the club's rules, piss off the other dancers and screw with their money, etc.?

I sure as hell wouldn't. I know what's it's like to have to compete with girls that 'go the extra mile' and I would NEVER put someone else in that situation.

aggieed
05-21-2007, 12:51 PM
So are you saying, for example, if you primarily work in a club where boob and butt grabbing is the norm and you go to a city where little to no contact is allowed, you're going to let everyone manhandle you?? Break the club's rules, piss off the other dancers and screw with their money, etc.?

For the most part, I doubt many strippers will go on the web, look up Austin strip club rules, and then come over trying to follow them. The girls are going to do what they're familiar with and whatever makes them money. You could very much try and tell them what the rules are when they get here; some may believe you and some won't. I had an ATF that moved up here from San Antonio a few years ago when SA had its own little "human display ordinance" issues, and when the girls up here tried to tell her what she could or could not do she would usually belt out a, "Bitch is trying to keep me from making money!"

And let's not make Austin be this clean, pristine strip club city. It's just like any other city in the country. Some girls do (more), and some girls don't. While the quantity of strippers doing more is far less than the number of girls doing more in places like Houston, believe me, there are still a few "bad" girls in town. They're (usually) just a bit more discrete about it (talking more about the hardcore extras).

virgoamm
05-21-2007, 01:20 PM
^^But when you're hired, doesn't management tell you what is and is not allowed?? It's kind of hard for me to believe that noone would tell you what you can and cannot do once they let you start working there.

This is just a sore spot with me with the OMG, the whores are taking over our city! The dances are SOO dirty now!

We have to deal with enough stereotyping from the outside world, and it shits me to see strippers doing it too.

Some of us are actually respectful and will follow the rules of whatever club/city we work in REGARDLESS of what kind of contact we're used to.

BalletBaby
05-21-2007, 05:36 PM
not every houston dancer on the run from the current situation is an extras girl. it's really kind of disheartening to see that sort of intra-industry hating and blaming and accusing.



I know that. I myself am a houston dancer on the run, hoping to get out of this city by summertime. I was commenting on the houston hookers and how they are like cockroaches because no matter how hard you try to get rid of them they keep coming back.

Bridgette
05-22-2007, 12:35 AM
^^But when you're hired, doesn't management tell you what is and is not allowed?? It's kind of hard for me to believe that noone would tell you what you can and cannot do once they let you start working there.No, not really. As I said in my previous post (which you apparently ignored all but one little piece), the clubs there are used to NOT getting raided, so management has no incentive to try and keep it clean. Furthermore, as I said, the managers just like having more girls to pay housefees, so they couldn't give a shit what the girls are doing, as long as they pay out at the end. I worked there quite a bit, and the managers weren't trying to keep things clean - the girls just don't do as much on average as in Houston because they don't have to; the dynamic is different.


This is just a sore spot with me with the OMG, the whores are taking over our city! The dances are SOO dirty now!

We have to deal with enough stereotyping from the outside world, and it shits me to see strippers doing it too.

Some of us are actually respectful and will follow the rules of whatever club/city we work in REGARDLESS of what kind of contact we're used to.Rather than take it so personally, why not look at the facts. Houston clubs and strippers have the rep they do for a reason. There are MANY sources where one can look and find that it's quite common for nasty shit to go on in Houston clubs, moreso than Austin or Dallas. Reportedly, even the average lapdance in Houston is higher contact than the average lapdance in Austin.

Most strippers aren't on StripperWeb. Most don't travel around, don't see what it's like in other areas, so it's logical that they would assume it's the same everywhere, and behave accordingly. I've read on here many times where a girl was surprised to learn how different clubs can be from one place to another. So it's not much of a stretch to believe that girls would go to Austin and resume doing their average Houston (higher contact) dances, without even thinking about it.

Finally, when an Austin girl reports seeing dances in her club suddenly getting dirtier with a flood of new Houston girls, it's not stereotyping. That's reporting what she sees. Do you really think she'd just lie about that because she *thinks* Houston girls are dirty? Because by saying she's just stereotyping, you're basically accusing her of lying about what she's seen.

Everyone here knows not EVERY girl in any place is the same. But we also know that a whole lot of Houston girls are doing quite a bit more for their dances than most Austin girls ;)

virgoamm
05-22-2007, 08:08 AM
Hey B, I'm not trying to be argumentative at all. It's just that I work here and see both sides of the situation. Yes, there are girls that do more, but there are also girls that do not.

For the record, I'm not defending Houston by any means. I know that some nasty shit goes on here, but I also know that there are plenty of clean dancers as well that don't like to be lumped into the former category.

As far as I know, there haven't been very many Houston dancers that have left the city as of yet. The clubs are fighting it in court and I don't really see dancers fleeing enmasse the until the shutdowns and raids begin.

Apparently I'm speaking out for the very few that have brains and understand that contact varies from city to city. What's common sense to me, I guess just flies over the heads of others.

As far as taking it personally, it's kind of hard not to. Yes, I know the facts and I know why Houston has the reputation it does-but-I also live and work here and would like to think that anyone leaving would know some of the reasons why this is happening (aside from having an uptight, conservative and pollyannaish city government).

To turn the city you're fleeing to into the city you just left is idiotic and will end up making the same thing happen there.

If I were to go work in either Austin or Dallas I would ask whoever hired me what is expected and allowed during dances.

That way, #1 you don't get in trouble or do anything that could get you fired and #2 you wouldn't be stepping on other dancer's toes by messing with their money and doing anything out of the norm because you were too shortsighted and stupid to realize that what you are doing will have a snowball effect and start making customers demand more than what the dancers are willing to provide.

Maybe management doesn't care right now what goes on and just wants your tip money, but I guarantee you that if they continue to turn a blind eye to what is going on and the contact has indeed gone up because of Houston dancers working there-they can say bye-bye to having a raid-free city.

liberator
05-22-2007, 10:18 AM
Have there been any raids yet?

WiseGuy_TX
05-22-2007, 03:29 PM
Have there been any raids yet?...as of today, Tuesday, no, nothing in the press, on the stripclub rumor mill or mentioned in the clubs i visited. I would have thought vice would have jumped at the chance to justify their job and rid the world of a few mommies in g-strings::), but alas, rumor is a judge told vice "not yet due to the injunction filings"

liberator
05-22-2007, 05:02 PM
Good deal. Maybe the Attorney's can get an injunction and maintain the status quo for a decade or two!

WiseGuy_TX
05-23-2007, 07:49 PM
...links compliments of other posters on another website. The webform appears to have been made by The Mens Club.

"Attorney Fights Houston Anti-Adult Ordinance: (http://avn.com/index_cache.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=289130)

"First Amendment attorney John Weston, who represents two of the largest adult cabarets in the city, continues to brand the ordinance unconstitutional, and has filed a motion with the Fifth Circuit for a stay of enforcement and/or an injunction against enforcement pending appeal. "


Make Your Voice Heard - Write the City! (http://www.writethecity.com)

WiseGuy_TX
05-26-2007, 06:02 AM
Court gives Houston strip clubs a reprieve (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4837795.html) by Matt Stiles

"The city's planned crackdown on Houston's sexually oriented businesses could be held up for several months after a federal appeals court granted some of them the right to operate — for now.

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans issued a stay of enforcement pending the outcome of an "expedited" appeal to be argued as soon as August.

The stay prevents the city from arresting employees and owners at the Colorado Bar & Grill and The Men's Club, and possibly five other large businesses that have joined in the appeal: Ritz Cabaret, Treasures, Trophy Club, Gold Cup and Centerfolds. ...and some other SOB's

"We're quite excited, and very, very pleased for the clients and the citizens of Houston," said John Weston, a Los Angeles-based lawyer"

Order granting the stay - PDF (http://blogs.chron.com/cityhall/archives/sob_stay.pdf)

Clubs' appeal motion - PDF (http://blogs.chron.com/cityhall/archives/sob_appeal.PDF)

Nameless
05-26-2007, 08:12 AM
regarding the clubs in the lawsuit ( TMC and the other big ones and a handful of ones I forgot)

"[On May 25th] Motion for Injunction pending Appeal was GRANTED by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. This means the City of Houston is PROHIBITED from enforcing the ordinance as they have threatened in recent days while our appeal is working its way through the courts."

Meanwhile :

"Please go to the website http://www.WriteTheCity.com (http://www.writethecity.com/)and
send a note in your own words to the Mayor and City Council on how
ridiculous it is for the city to be spending millions in taxpayer money
while we have such a crime problem as well as other high priority
issues. Tell them you favor a settlement with the Adult Cabarets in
this matter."

Bridgette
05-26-2007, 09:18 AM
Virgo, I'm not trying to argue either. I guess my point was that, a lot of girls may not be as considerate (or even aware) of the vast differences in strip club markets from one city to another. Also that, knowing what I know about Austin stripclubs, it'd be really easy for girls to go in and do whatever they're used to, without even realizing it's not the local norm. We all know that not every girl in Houston (or anywhere) is the same, and I really don't think anyone meant to categorize all Houston girls like that ;)


I do hope something positive comes of this mess. It would be nice for you girls if they would actually do something RIGHT to clean up the clubs.

virgoamm
05-26-2007, 11:09 AM
Hey, no prob. I am definitely keeping my fingers crossed! ;)

leah_danielle4
05-26-2007, 02:03 PM
As of last night, Riviera is officially back to normal. Our injunction went through, and we are fully nude again. If anyone is interested in dancing, go ahead and come by and inquire. We're always wanting more girls. And we're hoping now that we're fully nude again, we will attract more customers due to those clubs that are still full bottom and latex.

redhothoney
05-26-2007, 03:55 PM
its semi back to normal where i'm at, so what clubs are legal to operate??

Bridgette
05-26-2007, 04:03 PM
I'm wondering how long this will last (any clubs being "back to normal"), and whether vice will be in to arrest girls for giving lapdances. I'm sure the city will love to have a bunch of tickets/arrests to back their case up as to why their ordinance needs to stand. I would proceed with caution if I were dancing in Houston. I'd also expect that earnings will still be low for a while, as customers won't want to go in and risk getting caught up in a scandal.

Or maybe I'm a bit too skeptical. I hope it works out for you girls.

Tina
05-26-2007, 04:17 PM
There is a lot of behind the scenes bribing that is causing the mayor and his crew to be pushing for this ordinance. Houston has always been like that. A lot of conservative money working behind the scenes.

Like Bridgette said, guys are going to be cautious about going to the clubs so I would tread lightly.

In my experience, many small town clubs watch the dances and make sure nothing sexual is going on. Big city clubs are not going to tell you a thing. You have to just go with the flow. And most times what is the norm in a club even if no sex is involved, is deemed illegal if law enforcement comes in.

slowpoke
05-26-2007, 05:55 PM
It appears the smoking ban died in the legislature. What about the $5.00 entry tax.

laplover69
05-26-2007, 07:09 PM
Updated info here: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4837795.html

BalletBaby
05-26-2007, 07:59 PM
It's been kinda slow where I am working, but still enough guys to make decent money. I worked my ass off this past Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday and made about $1000. The club I'm working at is one that filed for an appeal, so we are legally operating topless. Does this mean that the clubs who didn't file are stuck as bikini bars for now? I'm hoping all you other houston girls are doing good.

liberator
05-27-2007, 04:32 AM
Usually if the clubs filing get a stay the other clubs will in effect get one also as the government could be sued if they enforce the ordinance at that point for damages. Congrats to the clubs in Houston for getting the stay from the 5th Circuit. Hopefully the law will be stricken there and in Ohio.

redhothoney
05-27-2007, 05:34 PM
Thanks for all of the helpful information!!

redhothoney
05-27-2007, 08:40 PM
http://www.texassafetynetwork.org/library/per_capita_consumption/index.php

that's how much money they make off liquor sales taxes and this is from 2005...

WiseGuy_TX
05-28-2007, 05:07 PM
its semi back to normal where i'm at, so what clubs are legal to operate??...they are listed in the "stay - PDF" link i posted. Here is a jpg if you cant see the PDF.

virgoamm
05-28-2007, 05:37 PM
Am I just not seeing it right or are some of the bigger clubs like the Men's Club and Treasures not on there?

miabella
05-28-2007, 06:01 PM
that's only part of the whole document. it appears the majority of houston clubs are listed, even on the piece of document i could see.

WiseGuy_TX
05-28-2007, 06:49 PM
It's the whole list of SOB's on the stay. Treasures is listed at the bottom. Texas Richmond Corporation is The Mens Club.

slowpoke
05-28-2007, 07:06 PM
http://www.texassafetynetwork.org/library/per_capita_consumption/index.php

that's how much money they make off liquor sales taxes and this is from 2005...

You can get the mixed drink sales taxes paid by every licensee in the State, by month current to within two or three months from the comptrollers website. Interesting to see how much mixed drink taxes some of the places are paying. The tax is 15%, you can calculate the sales.

virgoamm
05-28-2007, 07:17 PM
I'm so glad this stay happened. This guarantees at least a couple of months of a safety net. Even though my club is not affected, the summer months are slow enough as it is, and to compile that with hoards of fleeing girls would have me making Wal-Mart wages.

I plan on working my booty off and saving as much money as I can. I plan on moving out of Houston anways, but ideally it would be in October. It's good to know I have some spare time to get the money together just in case I need to leave early.

miabella
05-28-2007, 10:14 PM
i'd work nude if you needed money by october, because nude bars in houston are busier over the slow period compared to topless clubs. and they are crazy busy in sept/oct.

virgoamm
05-28-2007, 10:29 PM
Ugh-I wish I could...First off, I have a criminal record which will probably keep me from getting a license-AND I also had a bad car accident when I was 18 which completely fractured my left hip where your femur and ball and socket join. I have a metal plate in my left hip and a huge-ass scar that is about 10 inches long as well as scars from the staples they used...:-\

When I'm working topless, my g-string completely covers my scar. Plus, the club I'm working at is in the county so I don't have to worry about getting a license.

Meh

miabella
05-28-2007, 10:52 PM
you have excessive expectations of what nude clubs consider acceptable. if you don't look black and aren't 50+ pounds overweight, nude clubs are exceptionally happy to have you. because you will keep guys from walking out because they saw a fat or black girl onstage.

xtc north will take you without a licence, and you will do well onstage there, and also in vip. but if you are making 500 or more per shift at your current club, and i know which club that one is, then yes, you don't have to go nude, just hustle harder where you're at.

Bridgette
05-28-2007, 11:03 PM
Since when do guys walk out because they saw a black girl on stage? Is that a Texas thing? ::)

miabella
05-28-2007, 11:11 PM
maybe it is only a texas thing, but it has certainly happened in the texas clubs i danced in. tina has reported similar issues outside of texas, so i suspect it is in fact not a thing limited to texas clubs.

Bridgette
05-28-2007, 11:14 PM
Well that is something I've never noticed before - I've seen guys walk out immediately after entering when a fat chic was on stage, but I've never seen that happen when a black girl was on. Wow.

Mily
05-28-2007, 11:16 PM
::) Well, I've never seen it happen, either......

miabella
05-28-2007, 11:26 PM
shrug. black dancers see it, and that is good enough for me. that dancers who are of the approved ethnic-exotic blends, or who are white don't see it hardly counts to me. of course it is unlikely they'd notice such things.

it's not houston, but are you prepared to tell cinnamonkisses that her experiences didn't happen because you didn't witness them? or tina, or any of the other black dancers this sort of issue has happened to? their posts attesting to same are archived and readily available for those who want to dismiss actual experience...

virgoamm
05-28-2007, 11:31 PM
We have tons of black and chubby/overweight girls at my club, and I have never seen anyone walk out because of it. Then again, I'm white and petite so maybe I just don't notice it.

Bridgette
05-29-2007, 02:03 AM
shrug. black dancers see it, and that is good enough for me. that dancers who are of the approved ethnic-exotic blends, or who are white don't see it hardly counts to me. of course it is unlikely they'd notice such things.

it's not houston, but are you prepared to tell cinnamonkisses that her experiences didn't happen because you didn't witness them? or tina, or any of the other black dancers this sort of issue has happened to? their posts attesting to same are archived and readily available for those who want to dismiss actual experience...Let's not get the discussion on the *other* thread mixed up with this one, ok? They're different.

I NEVER said or implied guys don't ever walk out if a black girl is on stage - I'm sure some racist pigs have done it. Just seems less prevalent. I just said I've never seen it, but I HAVE seen them walk in then immediately turn and walk out when fatasses are on stage. I have worked in a whole lot of clubs, in a lot of different areas too. You say I wouldn't have noticed if guys walk out on black girls because I'm not black - well I'm not fat either, so how do you explain that I've noticed fat girls being walked out on quite a bit?

WiseGuy_TX
05-29-2007, 05:05 AM
Plus, the club I'm working at is in the county so I don't have to worry about getting a license....good thinking as Bridgette explains why below.

I'm wondering how long this will last (any clubs being "back to normal"), and whether vice will be in to arrest girls for giving lapdances. I'm sure the city will love to have a bunch of tickets/arrests to back their case up as to why their ordinance needs to stand. I would proceed with caution if I were dancing in Houston.

ScarletPhoenix
05-29-2007, 12:19 PM
As far as nude bars go, I'm still working here at Legends. The money is far from exceptional, but I find that by pulling an extra shift a week and showing up earlier, I'm still pulling 800 to 1000 a week. But I have to bust ass for that.

My hustle is now razor sharp and my hair platinum blonde to keep up with the declining earning potential. Tread at your own risk. Most of the other girls aren't making half of that. So much so now that most of them won't even talk to me.

Tina
05-30-2007, 03:50 PM
Guys walk away from the tip rail when they see a black girl on stage. Just last week where I was working, out of 5 girls, two of us were black, and one white guy said to another,"Let's go to the tip rail, there's a white girl on stage". Or they figure since you're black, you date, and date cheap.

My wealthy regular who is white and a small business owner had a customer who knows him write "Nigger Lover" all over his SUV. This was in the Upper Midwest.

Prejudice is alive and well, and most club owners are middle aged and older conservative white males. Plus you are in Houston, and even though white people are slightly the minority there, there are still quite a few white men there who only like their own kind.

Bridgette
05-30-2007, 08:35 PM
Guys walk away from the tip rail when they see a black girl on stage. Just last week where I was working, out of 5 girls, two of us were black, and one white guy said to another,"Let's go to the tip rail, there's a white girl on stage". Or they figure since you're black, you date, and date cheap. I don't doubt some idiots will ignore or turn down girls based on their race - there are racist pigs everywhere. I have a bit of issue with the blanket statement that men ask girls of certain ethnicities MORE than others for extras, because we ALL hear that shit all night every night - we ALL bitch about it on here, don't we? Goddess knows I hear that shit allllllllll the damn time ::)