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xdamage
05-18-2007, 08:14 PM
Xdamage, you fucking sanctimonious ASSHOLE. STFU and if you wanna talk about evolutionary biology, start another thread, you condescending motherfucker.



Kitten, your so predictable in your thinking I could write your material for you. I am however done because I don't have the time; its like fighting with the morons who believe the sun revolved around the earth because it seemed to make complete sense (but was so completely and utterly wrong), or the religious popular group think of the day. Your views are totally predictable. Enjoy the Jerry Farwell crowd. Basically your just like him except he is a bit older and had his own popular think that he latched on to. You've latched on to the popular think of the day. Enjoy it. There are many many people here who think just exactly like you and who will agree with you and tell you how brilliant you are for being a TOOL and thinking just like them.

Lysondra
05-18-2007, 08:17 PM
Kitten, your so predictable in your thinking I could write your material for you. I am however done because I don't have the time; its like fighting with the morons who believe the earth revolved around the sun because it seemed to make complete sense (but was so completely and utterly wrong), or the religious popular group think of the day. Your views are totally predictable. Enjoy the Jerry Farwell crowd. Basically your just like him except he is a bit older and had his own popular think that he latched on to. You've latched on to the popular think of the day. Enjoy it. There are many many people here who think just exactly like you and who will agree with you and tell you how brilliant you are for being a TOOL and thinking just like them.

http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/visualizations/es0408/es0408page01.cfm?chapter_no=04

Ummmmmmm......

Maybe your extremely rude comparison to childfree being stupid would be much more believable had you used a better example.

Dottie Rebel
05-18-2007, 08:18 PM
Alexxa: So it's pretty obvious that you don't consider parenthood and childfreedom to be lateral decisions. One is for the strong and one is for the weak. Do i have that right?

xdamage
05-18-2007, 08:20 PM
I think the problem is that there are too many people who are taking Xdamage's opinions PERSONALLY when they should be more concerned about the real dangers to their points of view. X isn't going to take your rights away, nor does he want to so why are you all so offended? You should be angry at the REAL root of your problems

Because most people have given up the right to fucking think for themselves. They've turned into spineless worms with no ability to make decisions on their own. Instead if anyone else has input, the interpret this as "making them do things" and have a personal emotional crisis over it. It's lame, and part of a popular pattern of think that makes me personally want to puke. Where along the way did people lose their spines??

AlexxaHex
05-18-2007, 08:20 PM
I think he is talking about her going along with the pack mentality here.

ETA:

Because most people have given up the right to fucking think for themselves. They've turned into spineless worms with no ability to make decisions on their own. Instead if anyone else has input, the interpret this as "making them do things" and have a personal emotional crisis over it. It's lame, and part of a popular pattern of think that makes me personally want to puke. Where along the way did people lose their spines??

Yes, that's what I was talking about.

Mily
05-18-2007, 08:27 PM
^^^Whatever...this thread is like cats talking to dogs.:dunce: No one is going to change their viewpoints. I'm happy being childfree for reasons I have already specified pages ago. Toodles...............:)

xdamage
05-18-2007, 08:27 PM
SMindless sheep, I tell you. I'm QUITE glad many of you have decided not to have kids, so believe me, I wouldn't object to your decision at all. I think X feels the same way, although I wouldn't want to put words in his mouth.

Absolutely. Just a bunch of very predictable popular think of the day. And yes, it's probably just as well they don't have kids. We've already got enough sheep who can't think past the popular think of the moment breeding.

LilyLove
05-18-2007, 08:30 PM
I don't think any thread about things that people are sensitive about will be free from deviating off topic. I understand that, and I think its a natural and good thing for threads to drift. But, I'm a little sad for this one because I was really interested in reading more about people who are childfree. I have no children, but I'm not childfree because I do want to give birth to one or two children one day. BUT, I am really interested to hear about being childfree. Its something that I totally support, and I'm really interested in learning more about it.

I also think though, that although xdamage's posts are off topic and not very interesting to me, he has just as much of a right to them as you all do. Telling him to "STFU" and leave the thread is worse than him going off topic himself. Its stifling. This is a forum, not a club.

my post about the thread becoming about "nature vs. nurture" wasn't meant to try to shut anyone up. I was just commenting on the never-ending nature of such a debate in general because no one knows for SURE about it, and its a debate that's close to a lot of people's hearts. In my opinion, the way people feel about the debate is very closely tied to their non-objective opinions about more than just science. Oh, and science isn't dry. Its rife with emotion for most people, in one way or another.

Optimist
05-18-2007, 08:32 PM
I loved that ABC article. Oprah did a series of shows on the downside of motherhood. It was called "In love with your man instead of your kids". Some women booed, hissed, and howled hatefully against Moms who came out of the moo closet. Psychologists explained how damaging it was to obsess on your kids to the point of neglecting your spouse or lover. I forsee I'll be that kind of Mom because I like kids but I'm not in love with them. I'd be in love with my man--not our brats! They'll be gorgeous but they'll be off to school at 18 so I can have my man back!! :D

I think people stuff a lot of confusion and "issues" into harrassing childfree people. I think it's asinine to shove the Mommy agenda down women's throats. The world won't end if we have less kids.

Lysondra
05-18-2007, 08:35 PM
Absolutely. Just a bunch of very predictable popular think of the day. And yes, it's probably just as well they don't have kids. We've already got enough sheep who can't think past the popular think of the moment breeding.

...I... really honestly don't know what to say here.

:(

>:(

Optimist
05-18-2007, 08:37 PM
Buck up, Lilithmorrigan! He's gotten half a clue of what you've said. If they don't want to it's probably just as well they don't. Strike the rest and he's almost there.

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 08:47 PM
If someone posted to the "I'm happy! I just had a baby!!" thread and said, "I don't want kids myself, but congrads on your baby! You must be excited! I'm happy for you!" That would be acceptable. If someone said, "infanticide and abandonment of children and elders were a common social phenomenon throughout human history in times of great stress and famine so when you stress the fuck out or run outta money, you're gonna abandon your baby like a hot fucking potato!" That's inappropriate. The statement is not a false one- human cultures across the board practiced infanticide and abandonment of children and elders when shit got tough. But that's not the point. It's disrespectful, and it may not even apply to your situation. I would have been all over the latter poster as an asshole, regardless of the gender.

I was a bio major, albeit long ago- I've continued to read papers on evolutionary biology over time. I was also a sociology major, and the fact is that it's not nature vs nurture, it's BOTH. Nobody is censoring him- i told him to start his own thread if he wants to talk about it.

Read what he's saying. Bottom line is he's saying that most people change their minds. and like I said- it's disrespectful for ANYONE to come into a thread and second-guess their private and personal choices by telling people in fancytalk that "they'll change their minds."

You assume that it was his gender I'm reacting to. Actually no, I'm reacting to his tone of voice, which is

1- The assumption that people here won't have a clue regarding evolutionary biology.
2- Using a generalization (evolutionary biology is a macro level theory, not a micro one) to basically second-guess people's private decisions that are none of his business.
Then 3- he goes on to make assumptions all over the place. He knows nothing about me, nothing about the posters here- anyone with some common sense would know that likely, we've posted the most basic reasons for not wanting kids, probably not ALL the reasons.

You know, some of may not want to talk about our health problems here, or discuss that with others. so, when strangers barge in to tell people who they have no idea about that they'll change their minds, then my answer to them is a fat middle finger.

I can't have kids. My body will not allow it without possibly killing me. Why should I have to talk about that every time I express my desire not to have children, because I have many other reasons, but that's the only thing that will make people even remotely feel bad about asking me about my own private business and then disrespect me by second-guessing me when I have the generosity to share? Shit, I've had assholes tell me that if i loved a man, I would risk everything to have his baby so i must have never been in love.

Xdamage- you have fun with the evolutionary biology crowd, because there are some sexists that would very much LOVE Jerry Falwell's POV of society hanging around those circles. Also, Jerry Falwell as of the same mind as you- that it was a duty for people to procreate. He didn't believe in individual will. Replace his God with your evolutionary biology and you have the same bullshit stance, expect you kid glove the message instead of jack-hammering it like Jerry.

xdamage
05-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Xdamage- you have fun with the evolutionary biology crowd, because there are some

You're such a predictable TOOL kitten ;)

However if it's really true that

"I can't have kids. My body will not allow it without possibly killing me."


why are you posting in this thread? This is a thread about choice. If you absolutely can't then of course my deepest sympathies go out to you for your lot in life. I can't even begin to say how sad I am you don't have a choice, but if you don't have a choice, you are also posting in the wrong thread kitten.

Of course no one, not I certainly, is anything but saddened if you have no choice in the matter :(

Everyone else though is choosing to be childfree because of reasons the could choose otherwise. If you personally can't at all, that's an entirely different matter. My utter sympathy goes out to you for having no choice in the matter (although what has to do with my other posts, I have no idea)

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 08:57 PM
So you know what? There ARE times when you need to keep your opinions to yourself, or in this case- go somewhere else to talk about it. I don't go to my friend's baby showers and talk about how i don't want kids and kids bug me. It would be disrespectful.

I's funny when people that have the more mainstream idea ("you'll change your mind!") talk about how WE'RE the one that's sheep? My friends, when they are pregnant, 995 of them don't get shitty comments from people. They get congrads, lovely, you must be excited, how great, etc. That's great. When someone is going through a wanted pregnancy, I don't tell them that I don't want kids and how much I hate kids and she may change their mind. If I did, someone should smack the hell out of me for being a bitch.

On the other hand- women that DO express that they don't want kids hear something negative most of the time. so yeah, it's not unreasonable to say that this is something we hear ALL THE FUCKING TIME regarding this subject, and if you want to discuss that, start another thread. If I recall, this was not a thread about "what do people think of child-free people?" This is a thread about "I want to hear from other child-free people." If this thread was "what do people think about child-free people and child-free lifestyle" - then my comment to xdamage would be unreasonable. but that's not the case here, so I stand by what I said.

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 08:58 PM
You're also predictable, and a rude asshole to boot.

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Its stifling. This is a forum, not a club.

So you're saying that people shouldn't stay on topic? That's my whole point- his post is NOT ON TOPIC, and now we have people whining that people get pissed when they derail threads. I didn't tell him to STFU permanently- start his own thread. If I told him he has no right to post on this forum, then I'd be stifling him. I'm not.

xdamage
05-18-2007, 09:09 PM
You're also predictable, and a rude asshole to boot.

I am, I admit it, but you are too in case you haven't noted. The difference is you started the insults in an attempt to make yourself look better in front of the group. I on the other hand don't care at all if the group likes me. I say what I believe to be true, and if the group doesn't like it, so be it, but I have my convictions and stick by it.

I don't actually mind being rude. I would however mind being a group suckup because I need group approval. You'll have to decide for yourself what motivated you.

Mily
05-18-2007, 09:15 PM
TO Dylan Angel: I would probably just tell them that it's none of their damn business...but that's just because I'm blunt like that. Have you and your husband ever discussed having children of your own? My dad who is actually my stepfather, but he is MY DAD (has raised me since I was 12 and my brother was 9)... even call him DAD...He is perfectly happy with me and my brother being "out of the nest" and finally having my mother to himself after raising us. Does your hubby want children? This is a choice to be made by you and him...nobody else's opinion matters. My mother had to deal with "the in-laws", as well, and they pretty much keep their noses out of it now. I guess it's a blood thing. They want their grandchild to be of their "Official DNA".

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 09:16 PM
There you go- making assumptions about people you don't know.

I got pissed off because I get to deal with people just like you when i talk about this subject. People that can't say "it's your choice, I wish you luck"... but rather, front a fake concern (because it is) and then start telling me about evolutionary biology, women's role in society, their religion, their wonderful kids, or whatever the method that want to use to tell me that I will change my mind. The methods are different, but the message ends up being the same. Whether it's people that tell me that if I love a man, I should risk my life to have his baby or it's telling me I'll change my mind because thousands of other people did- the bottom line is it's none of their business and they feel that they're opinion of what I should do matter than my own. Otherwise, why would they tell me the shit that comes out of their mouths?

Xdamage, would you go to tell a pregnant mother that you don't know that they may regret their baby? It's really the same thing.

I make no bones about being rude to people that are disrespectful to others. Just because you cover up your disrespect with kid gloves makes you even more insincere.

Dottie Rebel
05-18-2007, 09:20 PM
TO Dylan Angel: I guess it's a blood thing. They want the child to be of their "Official DNA".

So incredibly true. I think a lot of babies are born out of little more than human vanity. To me, that's very sad.

Deni
05-18-2007, 09:22 PM
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Mily
05-18-2007, 09:24 PM
DylanAngel..where did your post go? We want to help! ;D

xdamage
05-18-2007, 09:25 PM
Actually no- I got pissed off because I get to deal with people just like you when i talk about this subject. People that can't say "it's your choice, I wish you luck"... but rather, front a fake concern (because it is) and then start telling me about evolutionary biology, women's role in society, their religion, their wonderful kids, or whatever the method that want to use to tell me that I will change my mind. The methods are different, but the message ends up being the same.

I make no bones about being rude to people that are disrespectful to others. Just because you cover up your disrespect with kid gloves makes you even more insincere.

If you think I told you what to do, it's completely and utterly in your head. All I said was most people find out when their kids are born that they feel a lot of love for them. If that so threatens your feelings or thoughts, it's entirely your problem to figure out why that triggers you.

And it's a fact, people do often change their mind about having kids given time. I'm not going to make some BS politically correct apology for saying that to appease the younger crowd who hasn't yet hit that bridge. Facts is facts. I live in the real world, not some fantasy where the 20 year old mind never ever changes. That's BS and unless you want to appease the crowd with popular think, it's total BS so I won't do it. If you want to believe that fine, do it, but don't demand it from the rest of the world to lie and BS everyone. 20 year old minds change - fact, end of story.

There are much worse things in life then disrespect including LIES and BS that people seem to wallow in and tell themselves they are wonderful for despite all evidence and info the contrary. Thats fine, wallow in that BS, but you get no right to demand all of us do it.

Lysondra
05-18-2007, 09:28 PM
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!

Childfree <---- Here ____________ Here---->Parented

WERE NOT GONNA AGREE SO CAN EVERYONE SHUT UP AND GET BACK ON TOPIC??!!

Mily
05-18-2007, 09:29 PM
I dunno...times have changed...there are so many more opportunities for women in this world nowadays. We have our own lives and careers, etc...and some women just don't want to have children. People aren't even getting married anymore...like it's all overrated or something....yanno? I don't even want a damn boyfriend. But oneday I do...hehe.

DylanAngel
05-18-2007, 09:30 PM
DylanAngel..where did your post go? We want to help! ;D

I don't know!!:'(

I just hate the comments I get from quite a few people. How rude can you be? "Don't you want to give him one of his own?". That's like totally negating the fact that he's helping to raise my daughter.

And actually, no, I don't want to give him one of his own, because it would be MY own too! Because I've actually HAD children, means that it's ok to give up the rest of my life because a younger man fell in love with me and vice versa?

Shit, why don't people just shut up about others' reproductive systems? How is it anybody's business why I won't have any more children? I actually have to say that it's too risky at this age. God forbid I don't want to have anymore because then I'm just a freaking monster who is making my man miss out on the joys of fatherhood.

Ummm, last I checked, he could have gotten involved with someone younger!

Deni
05-18-2007, 09:30 PM
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!

Childfree <---- Here ____________ Here---->Parented

WERE NOT GONNA AGREE SO CAN EVERYONE SHUT UP AND GET BACK ON TOPIC??!!

Well...SOME of us are. It just doesn't seem to be working very well. :-\

Lysondra
05-18-2007, 09:31 PM
^ Not talking about you. The rest is fine... it's just the fucking arguments that's pissing me off.

big_daddy
05-18-2007, 09:32 PM
No kids here, my wifes ovary's don't work. :(

Mily
05-18-2007, 09:32 PM
LOL!!! There's like 50 million things going on in this thread right now....hehe...;D total chaos!!:D

Deni
05-18-2007, 09:33 PM
I actually have to say that it's too risky at this age.

Dylan, that's exactly what I was going to ask you about. Would it be worth it for you to put yourself through what would be considered a high-risk pregnancy just because everyone wants you to?

If you wanted to have another child then I'm sure the answer would be yes. Considering that you don't, though, it the potential risk totally outweighs the benefit.

I don't know what you should tell them, but I see where you're coming from.

DylanAngel
05-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Well...SOME of us are. It just doesn't seem to be working very well. :-\

Really. Xdamage, I have a problem with NOT having children for my own reasons and your posts are interrupting my getting some help here.

Can you just put your personal agenda aside for now so those of us who are experiencing discrimination can discuss it?

Please?

LilyLove
05-18-2007, 09:34 PM
So you're saying that people shouldn't stay on topic? That's my whole point- his post is NOT ON TOPIC, and now we have people whining that people get pissed when they derail threads. I didn't tell him to STFU permanently- start his own thread. If I told him he has no right to post on this forum, then I'd be stifling him. I'm not.

Like I said, his posts aren't interesting to me. I would much rather he didn't post. And I'm certainly not mad about people complaining about the thread derailment. Agian, like I said, I'd prefer that this stay on topic. But he is entitled to his opinion, even if I don't like it and would prefer if he didn't post in this thread.

DylanAngel
05-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Dylan, that's exactly what I was going to ask you about. Would it be worth it for you to put yourself through what would be considered a high-risk pregnancy just because everyone wants you to?

If you wanted to have another child then I'm sure the answer would be yes. Considering that you don't, though, it the potential risk totally outweighs the benefit.

I don't know what you should tell them, but I see where you're coming from.

That's what's bothering me. That I actually have to mention my age and the risk. God forbid I don't want any more kids.

Geez, I love my kids but they were freaking work! I now have a life. I travel, have a job that I love, keep most of my money etc.

Why am I so horrible for wanting that for myself.

In other words, yes, I've have kids already but I have more in common with the childfree than others might think.

xdamage
05-18-2007, 09:37 PM
Xdamage, would you go to tell a pregnant mother that you don't know that they may regret their baby? It's really the same thing.


You need to get over yourself kitten. None of us control the world. People make their own choices. I would never tell a pregnant mom she will regret having her baby, but if she went on a public forum and asked, I would tell her the truth. The truth is it is a lot of work, intermixed with a lot of good times too.

My mind doesn't think in childlike absolutes. It's not all work, it's not all joy, it's a mix, aka, adult style. I would just tell her the truth if she posted it on a public forum, and if she had such a childlike mind that all she could understand is absolutes, then I probably would tell her get some fucking helping, she is not ready for a child. The real world is not all joy, not all work, it's a mix. Something every adult knows, and something most kids haven't yet figured out. Only the kids want perfection, no risks, no worries, no chance of pain or failure. Adults understand that work and joy are intermixed. It's much better to be an adult then a kid living in fear of risks (yes I am an sanctinmonous asshole if that makes u feel better, now stop this stupid crap based on fear - the real world is a mix of work, pain, love, joy and unknowns - adults get it, children don't).

Lysondra
05-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Really. Xdamage, I have a problem with NOT having children for my own reasons and your posts are interrupting my getting some help here.

Can you just put your personal agenda aside for now so those of us who are experiencing discrimination can discuss it?

Please?

I think it's bullshit that people talk to you like that and assume you should be GIVIN YER MAHN A BAYBEE... it's crap. Why can't your baby BE his, exactly? Is there some rule I never heard of where you can't be a father to a baby that your little wigglies of doom didn't produce? Because if that's the case, we opened a whole can of wigglies involving whether or not gays can be parents.

AlexxaHex
05-18-2007, 09:40 PM
Sheep = people in this thread who are ganging up on each other for the purpose of validation. This does not have anything to do with reproductive choices.

xdamage
05-18-2007, 09:42 PM
In other words, yes, I've have kids already but I have more in common with the childfree than others might think.

Dylan, I have two kids, both in college... I'm loving it!!! Things change, people change, we all change, and I love the change. There was a time I dreaded the thought of having kids; that time passed. A time I loved having kids in the house; that time has passed. Now I am once again enjoying not having kids... it makes no sense that these changes should bother anyone. Change is good.

Deni
05-18-2007, 09:43 PM
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Lysondra
05-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Just to point out, no one asked for opinions other than from people who are childfree... just in case there's anyone here who doesn't get why someone might be annoyed with or bothered by his posting (which I'm really not, I enjoy a bit of a debate now and again)...

This bit of debate is becoming 500 posts long. Were gonna set a new record. What IS the record anyway?

DylanAngel
05-18-2007, 09:44 PM
I think it's bullshit that people talk to you like that and assume you should be GIVIN YER MAHN A BAYBEE... it's crap. Why can't your baby BE his, exactly? Is there some rule I never heard of where you can't be a father to a baby that your little wigglies of doom didn't produce? Because if that's the case, we opened a whole can of wigglies involving whether or not gays can be parents.

I'm thinking it's because she was almost an adult when we started dating. But believe me...a 15 year old still needs some raising. Hell, she's almost 20, and she still needs help with school, her car etc. nd he's glad to provide it.

I'd probably get less shit if my tubes had been tied. Then they'd have nothing to say. The way people see it now, I'm just a bitch because I CAN get pregnant, I just WON'T.

DylanAngel
05-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Dylan, I have two kids, both in college... I'm loving it!!! Things change, people change, we all change, and I love the change. There was a time I dreaded the thought of having kids; that time passed. A time I loved having kids in the house; that time has passed. Now I am once again enjoying not having kids... it makes no sense that these changes should bother anyone. Change is good.

This is different! Not the same husband. Different guy with NO kids. Gets involved with older woman who does not want children!

I am seen as someone who is letting his family name die with him and a selfish person for taking away his chance of the "joy" of raising a child.

Lysondra
05-18-2007, 09:48 PM
^^^

http://www.spellingwitch.com/blog/images/headdesk.gif

???????

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 09:49 PM
NOTE: Please do not flame this thread. I am respectful of other people's choices, so please be respectful of mine. Please don't start defending your choice to have children, or accuse us of hating children, or tell us that we're horrible people. I especially don't want to hear, "You'll change your mind someday,"

That's the original thread, xdamage.

Look at sunshyn's post above. She can express her opinion without being a patronizing jerk. I have NO problems with what she wrote- even if she was a HE.

If the OP said something to the effect of "what do people think about being child-free?" ... then your options are valid. She specifically asked people not to do what you've been doing, so i'm aying start your own thread and feel free to express yourself there instead of saying shit like this:


There are much worse things in life then disrespect including LIES and BS that people seem to wallow in and tell themselves they are wonderful for despite all evidence and info the contrary. Thats fine, wallow in that BS, but you get no right to demand all of us do it.

Basically, you're saying that people don't want kids have no fucking clue and you do without knowing shit about us. You're saying that people saying "I really don't want kids and I'm firm in my decision" are full of BS without knowing our situation. That's condescending shit and i'm sorry that you can't get recognize that shit if it hit you in the face.

Back to Dylan...

I feel you, I do- because I have physical issues that would make pregnancy very dangerous, but that's only one of the reasons. However, people are insistent that they're right ("you'll change your mind" "you'll regret it" or whatever their lines may be) until you tell them personal information that you shouldn't be forced to reveal.

xdamage
05-18-2007, 09:49 PM
Sheep = people in this thread who are ganging up on each other for the purpose of validation. This does not have anything to do with reproductive choices.

Exactly.

People are far more concerned with validation then with knowledge.

I make my decisions and I take responsibilty for them, and I don't blaim those choices on "society" or others who have input. Unfortunately I see a terribly disturbing pattern of thought these days among most people where they turn input into variations of "you are making me do [fill in the blank]" - aka, total and utter inability to separate responsibility for their decisions from the input from others. It's become such a popular way of thinking that I actually am concerned. Any input is turned into variations of "why are you pushing me to do X, Y, Z"

Scary, because few people have the ability to make decisions for themselves anymore. Everyone seeks validation like sheep.

xdamage
05-18-2007, 09:53 PM
This is different! Not the same husband. Different guy with NO kids. Gets involved with older woman who does not want children!

I am seen as someone who is letting his family name die with him and a selfish person for taking away his chance of the "joy" of raising a child.


Yea, Dylan,

This is a unique dynamic of course. I dont envy you in this position.

Mily
05-18-2007, 09:53 PM
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I don't know!!:'(

I just hate the comments I get from quite a few people. How rude can you be? "Don't you want to give him one of his own?". That's like totally negating the fact that he's helping to raise my daughter.

And actually, no, I don't want to give him one of his own, because it would be MY own too! Because I've actually HAD children, means that it's ok to give up the rest of my life because a younger man fell in love with me and vice versa?

Shit, why don't people just shut up about others' reproductive systems? How is it anybody's business why I won't have any more children? I actually have to say that it's too risky at this age. God forbid I don't want to have anymore because then I'm just a freaking monster who is making my man miss out on the joys of fatherhood.

Ummm, last I checked, he could have gotten involved with someone younger!

Sweetie, my mother had to go thru this very exact thing...it was like I am your daughter and you are my mother. My parents are very happy being childfree. But you know what ended up happening? My younger brother ended up having a child...and the baby's mom is not a part of my nephew's life...so sad:( . Now my parents are helping to raise a 2 year old boy when my brother isn't working 3 jobs....and they ARE SSSOOOO GLAD they did not have children of their own. They have a grandson who fills them with enough joy and headaches...LOL!!! My dad is also 10 years younger than my mom. Seriously, times have changed. And I don't know why the hell Alexxahexx is calling us SHEEP because we are being INDEPENDENT!!??? I don't see the correlation between the two!!!????/:O

DylanAngel
05-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Scary, because few people have the ability to make decisions for themselves anymore. Everyone seeks validation like sheep.

Why is it wrong to discuss things in your life with like minded people?

kittenkat
05-18-2007, 10:00 PM
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Scary, because few people have the ability to make decisions for themselves anymore. Everyone seeks validation like sheep.

People also have the right to be respected for the choices they make on a private matter without people feeling that they're entitled to tell you in so many words that their choices aren't valid. Have I once said anyone shouldn't have kids to you or anyone in this thread? No. I'm participating in a discussion based on the original post.

Why is it that you assume that when someone tell you you're derailing the thread and you're being a disrespectful jerk to the original intent of the thread and to start your own discussion, you go whining like a baby? THE OP SPECIFICALLY ASKED PEOPLE NOT TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. I suppose the OP's wishes deserve no respect and yours trump her wishes.

Mily
05-18-2007, 10:02 PM
Why is it wrong to discuss things in your life with like minded people?

What the hell!!!??? .....calling us SHEEP because we are being INDEPENDENT!!??? Or wanting to be!!!??? I don't see the correlation between the two!!!???/:O