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red red red
05-27-2007, 10:00 AM
Hasn't hip-hop culture always appropriated fashion ideas from other subcultures anyway, kinda like fashion "sampling?" I'm thinking of Outkast here.

I can't keep all the genres straight anymore, which makes me feel old. It seems to me that prom queens and jock dudes and class presidents have green hair and spike jewelry with some regularity these days, and it's not because mainstream high school culture has embraced actual "freakiness." It's more like it's an acceptably "cool" way to look. It seems like a hopelessly retro idea to me for someone to insist on consistency between look and ideology.

I kinda think the younger kids now are an I-Pod generation in more ways than one. It's like the Led Zeppelin song comes on, then it's Biggie, then it's some like Arctic Monkeys, and then it's vintage Paula Abdul that they think is funny because they weren't actually fifth graders when it came out, and then it's Leadbelly... and they like all of them equally... etc... and the clothes/hairstyles/looks reflect this eclecticism. And... they really do seem a lot happier than people my age (26) did when we were their age... generally speaking.

This girl sounds like she's bitter that there's no shock value in being "counterculture" anymore. As though being a stripper in the first place weren't "counterculture" enough.

This stuff really interests me, thanks for the thread.

Dottie Rebel
05-27-2007, 04:48 PM
Uhm... I think you took what I said out of context. I agree that you shouldn't have to stay within the boundries of the stereotype...

Oh, I know what you were saying, hon. I think quoting your post and phrasing it the way I did made it seem like I was countering you. Actually we're saying the exact same thing.

It was, like 6 in the morning.

:)

Roulette
05-28-2007, 05:31 PM
ok :D yeah six in the morning is a time I should never be allowed near a computer, personally.

miabella
05-28-2007, 11:04 PM
i wore vinyl and danced to rock and techno. it would have actually been strange for me to have danced to anything else. it didn't dent my money, anyhow.

LatinaRose
05-29-2007, 09:18 AM
Hasn't hip-hop culture always appropriated fashion ideas from other subcultures anyway, kinda like fashion "sampling?" I'm thinking of Outkast here.

I can't keep all the genres straight anymore, which makes me feel old. It seems to me that prom queens and jock dudes and class presidents have green hair and spike jewelry with some regularity these days, and it's not because mainstream high school culture has embraced actual "freakiness." It's more like it's an acceptably "cool" way to look. It seems like a hopelessly retro idea to me for someone to insist on consistency between look and ideology.

I kinda think the younger kids now are an I-Pod generation in more ways than one. It's like the Led Zeppelin song comes on, then it's Biggie, then it's some like Arctic Monkeys, and then it's vintage Paula Abdul that they think is funny because they weren't actually fifth graders when it came out, and then it's Leadbelly... and they like all of them equally... etc... and the clothes/hairstyles/looks reflect this eclecticism. And... they really do seem a lot happier than people my age (26) did when we were their age... generally speaking.

This girl sounds like she's bitter that there's no shock value in being "counterculture" anymore. As though being a stripper in the first place weren't "counterculture" enough.

This stuff really interests me, thanks for the thread.

ITA. And I like the term Ipod generation.

Just to clarify, she was not directing this at me in particular, just the "posers". And I'm sorry, but how you can you really be a part of "pirate culture" if you're not riding around the Caribbean on a boat, robbing people? That was the funny thing to me.

Roulette
05-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Uhm.... Just throwing this out there... I am often found commandeering ships in the Caribbean... just to let you know, so like pirate culture is alive and well... ::thinks to self:: god there are so many posers out there, it really makes it hard for me to effectively loot and pillage.

Jenny
05-29-2007, 11:40 AM
So.

When you come to Toronto do I get to tell you what to wear?

Roulette - that was the funniest thing I've seen in a while. I'm going to have to steal that and make it my own (I am registering a trademark as we speak).

LatinaRose
05-29-2007, 01:38 PM
As long as I can tell you! The bf goes back to work in a week or so, I'll pm you then.