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ExoticEngineer
05-29-2007, 07:04 PM
Ahh, yah, no getting upset that death is in the movie (by the way, I creid for days over Bambi, and still wont eat pig because of poor Wilbur) but be prepared to talk about it with your kid, sheesh.

Hyde, no, it would not have made the movie less money if they removed the scene about the pot, but it is PG, Parental Guidance. That's exactly what it means.
And yah, they're totally aiming the movie AT kids, for sure. My kid is one pissed off lil guy because I wont take him to see it. Oh well.

All I can say, like I said before, screen the movie and if you want to show it to your kid, then do so, but please do it prepared to be there to explain and discuss it. (Not aimed at you Mr. Hyde, it's just what I think all parents should do, in my opionated and bossy lil way ;D)

madmaxine
05-29-2007, 08:11 PM
Another example. I took my kid to see The Bridge to Tarabithia, looked like a cute, fantasy, sweet, kid movie. Well, we all got a shock at the end that left my kid walking out of the theater depressed (crying his eyes out really) and confused.
Had I known it was going to be like that, I wouldn't have taken him, or I would have prepared myself to answer some serious questions.

I KNOW!!!!! I was totally crying too. :'( The movie kinda hits you over the head with that.
I think the studio was too scared to sell the film honestly....

doc-catfish
05-29-2007, 08:26 PM
I remember a few years back my sister-in-law took her daughter (about 9 or so at the time) to see Mean Girls (because Lindsay Lohan was in it). I mean innocent little Lindsay would never make a family unfriendly movie right?
::)

Was she ever in for a surprise.
:eek::eek:


Another example. I took my kid to see The Bridge to Tarabithia, looked like a cute, fantasy, sweet, kid movie. Well, we all got a shock at the end that left my kid walking out of the theater depressed (crying his eyes out really) and confused. Had I known it was going to be like that, I wouldn't have taken him, or I would have prepared myself to answer some serious questions.
Controversy has been swirling over the "Bridge To Terabithia" book for about 30 years now. In fact, its once of the ten most challenged books in libraries across the country. I'm stunned by the number of people who went to that movie, not even aware that there was a book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_Terabithia
http://www.ncac.org/literature/20020726~CT-Cromwell~Cromwell_CT_BOE_Considers_Removing_2_Book s_from_Middle_School.cfm

Lysondra
05-29-2007, 08:29 PM
^ Agreed! I'm reading people's responses wondering why nobody knew about the 'ending' or the book!

cinammonkisses
05-30-2007, 07:17 AM
My kids were little when The Simpsons were just coming out. You'd better believe they never watched that show.


Simpsons came out when I was in the 1st grade (1989 I believe..wooo telling my age) :)

My mom let us watch the Simpsons, followed up with In Living Color! Wow, when I look @ those older episodes, I'm surprised my mom let us watch that. Well hey, me and my sisters turned out fine *ck twitches*

ExoticEngineer
05-30-2007, 10:43 AM
I think the only movies that are kind of ok are Nemo and Toy Story (although the beginning of Nemo scared the crap out of Makayla with the Barracuda--why do they need this stuff at all in movies??).

I've wondered that, lots of times, and I think back to all the movies I loved when I was little. Sleeping beauty, Snow White, even 101 Dalmations etc.... they all have some villain, some conflict right, and I think that's sort of important.

My son comes home from school one day and says "Mom, did you know, almost every story has a conflict? And a resolution (he said resultution;)) and that's what makes it a story?

So that actually doesn't bother me so much. I think it teaches a lesson about life really. But the other stuff, the stuff that's not neccesary, like pot smoking, and encouraging rude language, and referrances to very adult subjects, etc. those things bother me quite a bit.

Although, I still wont let him see the last spiderman, that Venom thing is SUPER scary!

LoveSexMoney
05-30-2007, 01:18 PM
Simpsons came out when I was in the 1st grade (1989 I believe..wooo telling my age) :)

Actually, the Simpsons started before that as brief little animated stints on the Tracey Ullman Show. It was sooooo frickin funny! Funnier, I think, than the syndicated series.

wonderkitty
05-30-2007, 02:33 PM
I also used to watch The Simpsons and In Living Color. In Living Color first aired when I was 6.

yogibear179
05-30-2007, 03:48 PM
Once my mom had the T.V turned on to cartoon network at night, she was on the computer taking care of business and my sister was watching T.V....

Me and my dad came in talking in the kitchen and we realized Family Guy was on...
not something i want my 7 year old sister watching...

not all animated things are for kids!!

Although i find it weird how Shek is advertised to kids sooo much. Mc donalds toys, commercials, games on various websites....

i will def. screen things before i show them to my kids, and encourage my parents to do the same with my sister.

Hatshepsut
05-30-2007, 06:40 PM
Hehe, why not show your kids La Blue Girl? Urotsukidoji? They're cartoons!

I kid, I kid. DO NOT SHOW THEM THESE ANIME.

ExoticEngineer
05-30-2007, 06:57 PM
^^^Hahaha! My jaw dropped to the desk when I read that! *shudder* no no no!

Lysondra
06-01-2007, 09:03 PM
I've never read the Terabithia book. But, when it first came out, I was going to see it before Makayla did...thank god because it was nothing like the trailers...and because the subject matter was WAAAY to mature for her. She still wants to see it, but has come to the realization that she has to be 'old like nana' to see it. LOL

Any movie that isn't G should be viewed before letting your child watch it. Unfortunately, that also includes a lot of Disney movies. I think the only movies that are kind of ok are Nemo and Toy Story (although the beginning of Nemo scared the crap out of Makayla with the Barracuda--why do they need this stuff at all in movies??).

..because without that there'd be no plot?

kylie3183
06-01-2007, 09:47 PM
and let's not forget about Alice in Wonderland. I bought this one not too long ago, and didn't even realize how adult much of it was. And my mom went to see it in the theatre when she was little! Same concept as it has been for years.

Mastridonicus
06-01-2007, 10:51 PM
I wrote so many papers on this subject.... oh I am such a child-television/cartoon/cartoon enthusiast. I will tell you though, I wont throw my opinion in here other than to tell you, I feel your pain. If Chuck Jones were still alive, we'd have a Famous Name leading the march of "It was never MEANT for kids, but more importantly, why is what ADULTS found funny in the 40's and 50's not even funny to toddlers today?" argument.

maximvsv
06-01-2007, 11:57 PM
OK hang on here....are some of you serious when you say that Shrek is an adult cartoon?

Did anyone take a look at the website for the movie? It has activities for kids all over it, and the whole thing is geared toward the 4-12 year old age bracket. Saying Shrek is for adults is like saying that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is for adults because it has violence.

I know it's PG and I should have caught that....my point is, can we have a kids movie that is for kids?

Did you see how TMNT started? Eastman & Laird's original comic...when the turtles threw Shredder off the top of the building and dropped a few thermite grenades to follow up?

Dottie Rebel
06-02-2007, 12:12 AM
Hmmm...maybe this is another great reason why I shouldn't be a parent. Perhaps there is something wrong with me, but I honestly have no idea why kids shouldn't be allowed to watch The Simpsons.

I was allowed to watch almost anything I wanted from the time I was born. My favorite shows when I was very young were "All in the Family" and "Saturday Night Live."

But then again, I grew up to be a stripper. Where was my daddy, dammit!! ::)

DylanAngel
06-02-2007, 05:51 AM
Hmmm...maybe this is another great reason why I shouldn't be a parent. Perhaps there is something wrong with me, but I honestly have no idea why kids shouldn't be allowed to watch The Simpsons.



Well, when my daughter Taryn told one of the nuns at her school "Don't have a cow man"....I figured that was enough reason!;D

cameron_keys
06-02-2007, 08:32 AM
Well, that's one small argument. But, what happened to having something "bad" happen without scaring the crap out of kids?


Well....almost every Disney movie starts out with the mother dying or already dead....Bambi, Nemo, Mermaid,Cinderella....Disney had a thing for dead moms...kinda creepy.

Yekhefah
06-02-2007, 08:52 AM
^^^ Or dads, like The Lion King. I still sob like a brokenhearted child when Simba's daddy is killed trying to save him from the stampede.

cameron_keys
06-02-2007, 08:55 AM
Yeah disney was all about orphaned kids...wonder if one or both of his parents died when he was real little....?

cinammonkisses
06-02-2007, 08:57 AM
Actually, the Simpsons started before that as brief little animated stints on the Tracey Ullman Show. It was sooooo frickin funny! Funnier, I think, than the syndicated series.

Ahhh yes, Tracy Ullman show. We used to watch that too! ;D

When I was a kid I loved In Living Color. A few months ago, I was up watching it, and I was shocked! Pretty vulgar stuff.

RoseWhite
06-02-2007, 05:38 PM
The posts above about traumatic themes in Disney got me thinking about a conversation I had recently about fairy tales - the Brothers Grimm & the like. The original, incredibly twisted and very intentionally frightening fairy tales - the Disney versions are much tamer than the originals.

Why were they so scary? Well, at least one of the reasons (along with passing on elements of culture in the folklore, and yes, entertainment too) WAS to scare the living fuck out of kids. And this was a good thing.

Bear with me: Life being what it was back then, parents simply could not physically supervise their children the way we can now (much less shelter them emotionally), and it was literally crucial to their survival that kids never, ever, EVER wandered into the woods alone. So the stories they told made the woods absolutely, positively TERRIFYING to children. Same goes for talking to strangers and such.

Just a thought. I'm not sure how this affects what we let children see today, I was just contemplating the fact that scaring children with fiction is not even remotely a modern development, though recent pop culture sure does give us plenty to consider.

UtahMike
06-02-2007, 07:31 PM
Controversy has been swirling over the "Bridge To Terabithia" book for about 30 years now. In fact, its once of the ten most challenged books in libraries across the country. I'm stunned by the number of people who went to that movie, not even aware that there was a book.

Terabithia has not been challenged because of Lindsey's death; it has been challenged because of all the swearing that Jess and other characters do.

Katherine Patterson (who is a Presbyterian minister) wrote the book for her son David, whose best friend Lisa was killed by lightning. He could not understand why that could happen. As an adult, David wrote the screenplay and directed the movie. Interestingly enough, the swearing by the characters is absent in the movie.

Patterson was asked why all the swearing by her characters, and she said it was because that waas the way kids in that rural time and place talked, and without it they would not be real. She was asked the same question about Gilly, the main character in another of her books, The Great Gilly Hopkins. Gilly was a difficult foster child, and Patterson had been a foster mother. She said that if she wrote Gilly's dialog the way the real Gilly talked, adults would never let children read the book.

These are two of the best books I've ever read. I sometimes feel sorry for adults who aren't teachers, because they never bother to read juvenile fiction, but if you have not read these books, go over to the juvenile section and read them. You're in for a treat.

Mr Hyde
06-02-2007, 07:35 PM
There is definitely a difference between scariness and adult-ness.

Scary-wicked witch
Adult-reference to smoking pot

I guess I am old fashioned...I just don't think little kids should have movies made for them that have adult crap.

Scaring kids is another matter altogether.

maximvsv
06-03-2007, 01:15 AM
There is definitely a difference between scariness and adult-ness.

Scary-wicked witch
Adult-reference to smoking pot

I guess I am old fashioned...I just don't think little kids should have movies made for them that have adult crap.

Scaring kids is another matter altogether.

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LilyLove
06-03-2007, 01:46 AM
The posts above about traumatic themes in Disney got me thinking about a conversation I had recently about fairy tales - the Brothers Grimm & the like. The original, incredibly twisted and very intentionally frightening fairy tales - the Disney versions are much tamer than the originals.

Why were they so scary? Well, at least one of the reasons (along with passing on elements of culture in the folklore, and yes, entertainment too) WAS to scare the living fuck out of kids. And this was a good thing.

Bear with me: Life being what it was back then, parents simply could not physically supervise their children the way we can now (much less shelter them emotionally), and it was literally crucial to their survival that kids never, ever, EVER wandered into the woods alone. So the stories they told made the woods absolutely, positively TERRIFYING to children. Same goes for talking to strangers and such.

Just a thought. I'm not sure how this affects what we let children see today, I was just contemplating the fact that scaring children with fiction is not even remotely a modern development, though recent pop culture sure does give us plenty to consider.

As I was reading this thread, I was thinking about the Grimm's. I took 2 classes about fairytales and folklore, and half of the "children's" tales we learned about involved murder and cooking little girls who were fat enough to eat.

We learned about the purpose of these tales. I was fascinated. It made me rethink my own literary journeys as a kid.

Lysondra
06-03-2007, 06:24 PM
I saw Simba's father die and cried hysterically for days... I am a better person for it.

And someone mentioned Alice in Wonderland... the woman ate shrooms and hallucinated for god's sake! I saw that movie when I was young and I thought, "OH BUNNIES!" not "OH DRUG REFERENCE!"

Seriously, if any child of the age of 8 sees a drug reference and GETS IT... you have a shitload more problems then the movie having that reference.

Same with children getting any obscure sex reference. If they understand it at that age, you have a real problem.

But when you're that young you just think, "HEEHEE da onion carriage is on fire!"

PaigeDWinter
06-03-2007, 11:11 PM
Seriously, if any child of the age of 8 sees a drug reference and GETS IT... you have a shitload more problems then the movie having that reference.

Same with children getting any obscure sex reference. If they understand it at that age, you have a real problem.

But when you're that young you just think, "HEEHEE da onion carriage is on fire!"


:yes:

LilyLove
06-03-2007, 11:16 PM
^ yeah Lilith, I second the nod on that one. Alice in Wonderland was one of my favorite movies AND books as a kid... and I never got any of the adultness. I read them and watched them over and over.