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CuriousJ
05-30-2007, 04:28 PM
Don't change a thing whats wrong with being yourself . ;) I guess I missed all the fuss.

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 05:07 PM
Well I'm certainly not going to get into it again. I felt exactly the same way..I was explaining to the point of infinity and not getting the point accross.
But I said WE should make sure OUR words are chosen carefully.....not YOU.

I thought you were directing it towards me, otherwise I wasn't sure why you were saying it. Anyway, I don't want to dig into it again either.

velvet
05-30-2007, 05:31 PM
i've never had a problem with you. still dont.
agreed with others some threads have left alot of people including yourself upset. hopefully everyone can move forward.

cameron_keys
05-30-2007, 05:39 PM
I thought you were directing it towards me, otherwise I wasn't sure why you were saying it. Anyway, I don't want to dig into it again either.

No, thats why I specifically said WE. I just meant that with anyone...what you mean to say and how you come across can be wildly differant things. So if someone takes offense...perhaps the writer should re-read their post objectively to determine why they were misunderstood.

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 05:47 PM
Right, and if someone says that they didn't intend for their post to sound a certain way and then explain it, that should be enough. Then if it becomes more of an issue after that the offended person can take it to PM so it doesn't become a flame war.

TheLioness
05-30-2007, 06:09 PM
Even though I don't post much I do read a lot and I like you ;) You've got balls, and I admire that.

Off topic side note: I don't know why, but you & your boy remind me of Gwen Stefani & Gavin Rossdale lol. I guess it's because you're such a non traditional couple & (soon to be) parents kinda like they are.

Optimist
05-30-2007, 06:21 PM
I'm becoming curious if this is all a setup. You said you wanted criticism to clear the air. You said you're not just fishing for compliments but you're not hearing out the gentle criticism. AND you play rough when you feel like it so what's the 411, hun? Quitcher bitchen, big girl! This just doesn't seem like you.

britt244
05-30-2007, 06:23 PM
i think a lot of people feel the same way as you. this site has become nothing but bitch bitch bitching lately. but this thread, as others that have been started about people being bitchy, seems to be getting nasty (some posts, not all). its just ANNOYING that people have to act this way (not you, alexxa).

Blade
05-30-2007, 07:27 PM
personally I hate your fucking guts. I think you're an evil cunt of a woman, nuff said.










































eh you know I love ya.

tootsie
05-30-2007, 07:38 PM
LOL I don't even remember why I said that but it amused me and was probably warranted. But honestly I don't like you much either. Ever since you told me ever so boldly that you could fuck my boyfriend and then said my dead best friend was ugly, I thought you were trash.




I think you are TRASH as well ;)

BrunetteGoddess
05-30-2007, 07:45 PM
" I'm not going anywhere..."

Good. I'm not up to hunting your pregnant ass down, dragging it back, and chaining you to a virtual pole around here.

;)

jaizaine
05-30-2007, 07:59 PM
What was the real purpose of this thread? Anyone who doesn't say they want you to stay gets flamed or called trash?

TBH I think u have been way oversensitive in response to posts. I have too but at least I can admit to it. Ninadaisy said in that other thread that with all due respect u are pregnant u have not raised a child and you flew off the handle.

Blade
05-30-2007, 08:45 PM
" I'm not going anywhere..."

Good. I'm not up to hunting your pregnant ass down, dragging it back, and chaining you to a virtual pole around here.

;)I am! Of course there would be NO virtual chaining, if I gotta hunt she gets chained to my bed.

DylanAngel
05-30-2007, 08:59 PM
"Hell no, you won't go!!"

Yeah, we butted heads. Probably won't be the last time either. But that's what's so cool about SW...you can do that and then just move it right along.

Or that's how it should be anyway.

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 09:10 PM
I'm becoming curious if this is all a setup. You said you wanted criticism to clear the air. You said you're not just fishing for compliments but you're not hearing out the gentle criticism. AND you play rough when you feel like it so what's the 411, hun? Quitcher bitchen, big girl! This just doesn't seem like you.

A setup for what, Optimist? To get compliments? That was not at all my intention, nor did I ask for such attention. It is appreciated and nice to hear, but it is not why I started this thread at all. As you can see I haven't really promoted a big cuddle pile of love - I am trying to keep the thread on track. I am attempting to resolve issues that are lying dormant that will eventually become problems again and again. Already some headway has been made. Can you think of a better way to get this out in the open? I can't.


What was the real purpose of this thread? Anyone who doesn't say they want you to stay gets flamed or called trash?

TBH I think u have been way oversensitive in response to posts. I have too but at least I can admit to it. Ninadaisy said in that other thread that with all due respect u are pregnant u have not raised a child and you flew off the handle.

I didn't fly off the handle at Nina's original post. I defended/explained myself, and then the issue got pushed again. It shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, and flickad and Paintbaby certainly didn't need to add gasoline to the fire. I just couldn't understand how a post that is intended for someone else can turn into a debate about whether or not I'm a "real" mother or whether or not Lucki's fetus is a blastocyte or a baby or whatever. It just got so ridiculous and I can't believe they are still talking about me in there.

Tootsie is not a part of this equation. She and I just don't exist in the same reality as she outright insulted me and I don't find her presence here to be important enough to care.

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 09:11 PM
"Hell no, you won't go!!"

Yeah, we butted heads. Probably won't be the last time either. But that's what's so cool about SW...you can do that and then just move it right along.

Or that's how it should be anyway.

Why does everybody think I might possibly leave? LOL

There are times when yes, I have moved past disagreements. More than anything else that's what I try to do. But some things just haven't been smoothed over yet I guess.

Optimist
05-30-2007, 09:15 PM
Yeah, that's my suspicion. You need a little SW lubbin' and reassurance! Either that or a good catfight! May be the post was about throwing down the gauntlet?

Yeah, there's philosophical conflicts but it just doesn't seem like you to care this much. Your plucky and badass! Well, either way, I think this will all blow over.

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 09:17 PM
It honestly bothers me because it keeps happening. It's like I will get over it for the most part and then it happens over and over.
Also I am sick of the negative attention taking over other people's threads. The last straw was Lucki's thread where she needed support and then everyone made it into an issue about me. It seemed so disrespectful IMO, so I moved the convo over this way. I wanted this thread to be a place for people to bitch or get it out so we can move on.

flickad
05-30-2007, 09:42 PM
A setup for what, Optimist? To get compliments? That was not at all my intention, nor did I ask for such attention. It is appreciated and nice to hear, but it is not why I started this thread at all. As you can see I haven't really promoted a big cuddle pile of love - I am trying to keep the thread on track. I am attempting to resolve issues that are lying dormant that will eventually become problems again and again. Already some headway has been made. Can you think of a better way to get this out in the open? I can't.



I didn't fly off the handle at Nina's original post. I defended/explained myself, and then the issue got pushed again. It shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, and flickad and Paintbaby certainly didn't need to add gasoline to the fire. I just couldn't understand how a post that is intended for someone else can turn into a debate about whether or not I'm a "real" mother or whether or not Lucki's fetus is a blastocyte or a baby or whatever. It just got so ridiculous and I can't believe they are still talking about me in there.

Tootsie is not a part of this equation. She and I just don't exist in the same reality as she outright insulted me and I don't find her presence here to be important enough to care.

So agreeing with someone who disagrees with you is adding gasoline to the fire? Commenting politely on how you haven't yet raised a child 'should never have been brought up', despite the fact that the wording of the advice you gave implied personal knowledge of what it's actually like to raise one? Jaizaine's right, it seems like you feel that anyone who takes issue with something you say is ganging up on you, no matter how politely that issue is taken. I have always taken care to avoid being rude, insulting or in any way personal in expressing diverging opinions on this board, and no-one but you appears to have taken my differences of opinion with them as a flame, and my discussions of various issues with other members have gotten much more spirited than the few short exchanges of opinion I've had with you.

Katrine
05-30-2007, 09:50 PM
I didn't fly off the handle at Nina's original post. I defended/explained myself, and then the issue got pushed again.

There is only so much explaining one can do in the low-bandwidth communication context of an internet forum. Something will always be lost. Alexxa, you are who you are, no need to explain or defend yourself. Screw what everyone else thinks! :D If any of us are going to be opinionated, we just have to understand that not everyone will agree, and tham many simply won't even "get it"

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 09:57 PM
So agreeing with someone who disagrees with you is adding gasoline to the fire? Commenting politely on how you haven't yet raised a child 'should never have been brought up', despite the fact that the wording of the advice you gave implied personal knowledge of what it's actually like to raise one? Jaizaine's right, it seems like you feel that anyone who takes issue with something you say is ganging up on you, no matter how politely that issue is taken. I have always taken care to avoid being rude, insulting or in any way personal in expressing diverging opinions on this board, and no-one but you appears to have taken my differences of opinion with them as a flame, and my discussions of various issues with other members have gotten much more spirited than the few short exchanges of opinion I've had with you.

Show/quote exactly where I said that, please! I would love to see where I said that I knew what it was like to raise a child. If I remember correctly, I commented on PREGNANCY. See, here we go again. I said this before and now I need to say it again. Hence the reason why I get frustrated.

The truth is that your input was minor, so I don't think I even replied to you personally. But you did contribute and I personally feel the whole issue was unnecessary.

Mily
05-30-2007, 10:24 PM
There is only so much explaining one can do in the low-bandwidth communication context of an internet forum. Something will always be lost. Alexxa, you are who you are, no need to explain or defend yourself. Screw what everyone else thinks! :D If any of us are going to be opinionated, we just have to understand that not everyone will agree, and tham many simply won't even "get it"


Preach on Sista'! Preach on! ;D

Paintbaby
05-30-2007, 10:31 PM
A setup for what, Optimist? To get compliments? That was not at all my intention, nor did I ask for such attention. It is appreciated and nice to hear, but it is not why I started this thread at all. As you can see I haven't really promoted a big cuddle pile of love - I am trying to keep the thread on track. I am attempting to resolve issues that are lying dormant that will eventually become problems again and again. Already some headway has been made. Can you think of a better way to get this out in the open? I can't.



I didn't fly off the handle at Nina's original post. I defended/explained myself, and then the issue got pushed again. It shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, and flickad and Paintbaby certainly didn't need to add gasoline to the fire. I just couldn't understand how a post that is intended for someone else can turn into a debate about whether or not I'm a "real" mother or whether or not Lucki's fetus is a blastocyte or a baby or whatever. It just got so ridiculous and I can't believe they are still talking about me in there.

Tootsie is not a part of this equation. She and I just don't exist in the same reality as she outright insulted me and I don't find her presence here to be important enough to care.

I wasn't adding fuel to the fire, Alexxa---just pointing out that Lucki's first obligation is to herself, not to some imaginary baby. In my opinion, which I am certainly allowed to express, your last point in an otherwise helpful post was emotionally charged in that you indicated your "hope" that she put the "best interests" of the baby first and foremost. I don't see how any young woman contemplating abortion would find that helpful--in fact, it could cause her to feel guilty about making a difficult decision that may be best for her. As I said, it was not the place of any of us to express hope---because none of us have a vested interest. This is really between Lucki and her partner. The rest of us can just say "we're here if you want to talk", and support her in making the best decision for herself that she can.

Aside from that, I thought you were quite cutting to Susan. Your first reaction when anyone disagrees with you, or counters a point that you make, is to attack. That is not how we should be resolving our differences. Intelligent debate and disagreement shouldn't involve any of us getting upset to the point where we can't even see the point of another, and instead, choose to get snarky. Yes, it is difficult at times---there are alot of different personalities here and misunderstandings happen. But it seems that lately you get angry so easily, and take everything so personally--- and it just isn't meant to be taken that way.

I don't have a problem with you personally, Alexxa, and I have enjoyed your posts in the past. But it would be helpful if you could not take things personally, or make things about you, when they aren't. I like to get the viewpoints of many of the members here in the threads, and enjoy offering my opinions and views, even if others disagree with them. And if misunderstandings happen, well---it is the internet after all, and it's bound to happen. But moving past things quickly with no lingering hard feelings would be helpful for all of us to remember to do!;)

Chrissy68
05-30-2007, 11:10 PM
Alexxa, you know i adore you, not only because we are similar and have the same birthday but because you are intelligent, articulate and dont back down because everyone's against you. but OTOH there are some times when i think, she should just say, well, they are entitled to their opinion, and move on. as katrine said, why care what some of these other folks think? cuz you know what? i dont. i dont care in the least. and some people piss me off for how they talk to you, but as for what they think of me, or how they respond to me, meh,they can think whatever the fuck they want. because really the only opinion that matters to me is mine. and that's the mentality i want to project onto you. you, like me fellow gemini, dont back down even when maybe you should. but this is part of what i love about you. so, while i personally dont have an issue, what im saying is, i know that while some ppl do, sometimes it's abso-freakin-lutely pointless to defend yourself. because they wont get it, like with tootsie for example.
by the by, we are almost another year older. clooooser... cloooooooser... ;D

Tart
05-30-2007, 11:30 PM
Here is my two cents,

Use it for whatever it's worth.

I personally have basically stayed away from any and all threads that might possibly piss me off. If I don't want to get pissed, then I just avoid it. I know myself well enough to know that I don't know when to shut up or quit fighting a war that I can't win.

you know the saying " pick your wars carefully "

Now, onto what I was actually going to say. While it's easy for some people to take on the mentality that " who care what the other person thinks " most of us just can't seem to grasp onto it. I'm one of them. While I myself, would LOVE nothing more than to be self assure to NOT care what others think..I unforunatly care on many levels that are beyond fucking pointless. Although I only care what "certain" people think.

Then there is the other part that could very well factor in to not just Alexxa but many others on here. When you are NOT working or busy with things going on..be it ill, between jobs, pregnant., recooping from surgery.( you get the fucking point ) then you have TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. Which almost always results into getting way to involved in useless banter on here or any other website.

I'm not making excuses for anyones behavior but I think people shouldn't be so quick to judge or say who's right and who's wrong. Seriously.

And another point. IT"S THE FUCKING INTERNET! god damnit people. this isn't life or death. This is a fucking forum. This applies to anyone that takes shit way too seriously.

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 11:52 PM
I wasn't adding fuel to the fire, Alexxa---just pointing out that Lucki's first obligation is to herself, not to some imaginary baby. In my opinion, which I am certainly allowed to express, your last point in an otherwise helpful post was emotionally charged in that you indicated your "hope" that she put the "best interests" of the baby first and foremost. I don't see how any young woman contemplating abortion would find that helpful--in fact, it could cause her to feel guilty about making a difficult decision that may be best for her. As I said, it was not the place of any of us to express hope---because none of us have a vested interest. This is really between Lucki and her partner. The rest of us can just say "we're here if you want to talk", and support her in making the best decision for herself that she can.

Aside from that, I thought you were quite cutting to Susan. Your first reaction when anyone disagrees with you, or counters a point that you make, is to attack. That is not how we should be resolving our differences. Intelligent debate and disagreement shouldn't involve any of us getting upset to the point where we can't even see the point of another, and instead, choose to get snarky. Yes, it is difficult at times---there are alot of different personalities here and misunderstandings happen. But it seems that lately you get angry so easily, and take everything so personally--- and it just isn't meant to be taken that way.

I don't have a problem with you personally, Alexxa, and I have enjoyed your posts in the past. But it would be helpful if you could not take things personally, or make things about you, when they aren't. I like to get the viewpoints of many of the members here in the threads, and enjoy offering my opinions and views, even if others disagree with them. And if misunderstandings happen, well---it is the internet after all, and it's bound to happen. But moving past things quickly with no lingering hard feelings would be helpful for all of us to remember to do!;)

The thing is that you thought you were offering helpful advice, just as I thought I was offering helpful advice. However someone wants to take the advice is up to them. When I said NOTHING to anybody about their own input and didn't make a political issue out of it, 3 people specifically quoted my post and made issues out of sections of it. It was obvious that my intentions were good and I was relating my experiences as well as what I thought she should do (basically not listen to any of us too much but go with her heart). There were people who pretty much said outright that she shouldn't keep it, but when I say that my experiences were somewhat positive, suddenly I am using emotionally charged words?
I can't possibly see how I gave her the impression that I told her to keep the child. One of my very good friends is having an abortion in the very near future and she is doing it because she is keeping the best interests of the child in mind. One way or the other, she is thinking of the possible outcome in terms of what is best for the fetus, zygote, baby, child, blastocyte or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
If you want to give your opinion, don't make a counter-opinion out of my words or yes, I will take issue with it, especially when you attacked me in the childfree thread. If you start quoting my words, and if this happens on a regular basis, of course I will take it personally!

I have always thought your posts were intelligent, if not a little scientific, but I wouldn't say that you are wrong for how you feel about abortion or whatever. I have enjoyed your posts and agreed with you on many of them.

I want to ask, who is the Susan you are talking about? I don't remember Susan (Wayward) being in that thread at all. Or did you mean someone else?


And Chrissy, you are right that I can't let things die. It's part of my charm. LOL
While I guess it would be more wise to not have bothered responding in the first place, I feel like I would like to see where this all goes. Now I can only try to prevent it in the future. If not, then I will take your and Katrine's advice and say "fuck em". I'll just start responding with pictures of rotting corpses or something. Might be more effective.

And yes, the big day is coming! :P :D

AlexxaHex
05-30-2007, 11:56 PM
Very good points, Tart. Thank you....I feel similarly.

TigersMilk
05-31-2007, 02:21 AM
In other news where is this baby you keep carrying around? I wanna see...41 days...man thats so long. Im impatient...grow faster.

flickad
05-31-2007, 02:39 AM
Show/quote exactly where I said that, please! I would love to see where I said that I knew what it was like to raise a child. If I remember correctly, I commented on PREGNANCY. See, here we go again. I said this before and now I need to say it again. Hence the reason why I get frustrated.

The truth is that your input was minor, so I don't think I even replied to you personally. But you did contribute and I personally feel the whole issue was unnecessary.

You didn't actually say that you knew what it was like to raise a child, nor did I say that you did. My exact words were that your wording implied it. The wording in question was as follows:

For me, it seemed like my world would end if I got pregnant but I can tell you it's not all bad! I changed a lot, but I think I was able to do it. Some women are not, but there is nothing "wrong" with that. It may just not be your time. It's not my place to judge you, nor is it ANYONE else's. That's a (difficult) decision you'll have to make and I feel for you. It's probably one of the hardest things about being a woman.

I hope that whatever you do, you put the best interest of the baby first and foremost. Best of luck.

The words 'I think I was able to do it' tend to imply that you've done it. The phrase 'it's not all bad' is ambiguous, and I interpreted it as referring to motherhood (and I suspect NinaDaisy did as well). You also said in later posts that you considered yourself a mother already and that you were already doing things towards your daughter's future now. While both those things may be correct, they also support the implication that in the prior post, you were saying that you know as much about what it's like to rear a child as those on this board who have already experienced this.

It's a minor point, but the fact that you seem to view any disagreement with something you've posted as a personal attack is a problem. It's mostly a problem for you, I hasten to add. You're the one experiencing all these negative emotions but the problem is that there is no real trigger for them, at least not from most of us. People aren't always going to agree with everyone's posts and they'll often say so, that's the nature of a public forum and that's part of what makes forums interesting to read and participate in. However, disagreement, when politely phrased, in no way implies any sort of antagonism directed at the actual person being disagreed with.

Tart
05-31-2007, 02:47 AM
question:

at the end of the fucking day , does all the senseless bickering on this site , make a goddamn bit of difference. When all it is about is he said she said bullshit?

Jesus fucking christ on a god damn stick

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 02:55 AM
I changed a lot, but I think I was able to do it.

I think I was able to CHANGE.

Your other "observations" are merely opinion based on one or two threads. It's obvious you can't see my point of view and want to keep going saying that it's all in my head. If you're not interested in a resolution, then please move on.

But really, do I have to dissect every sentence that I post so people won't flip out on me? I think I'm done doing that.

If anyone else wants to bury the hatchet then let's do it. Otherwise I am running out of energy going over and over my old posts.

Kaylinn
05-31-2007, 03:17 AM
Ya know....This was posted to clear the air, NOT to go back over old threads, further disect them, and try to still get the other person to see your side of things. There comes a time when you just have to agree to disagree, because your beating a dead horse.

I mean seriously, actually disecting old posts, trying to see hidden meanings, read between the lines, interpret "implied" messages. Fuck, if you look at anything that close, your bound to find something you don't like, or can argue about.

agree to disagree, or put each other on ignore.

flickad
05-31-2007, 04:11 AM
I think I was able to CHANGE.

Your other "observations" are merely opinion based on one or two threads. It's obvious you can't see my point of view and want to keep going saying that it's all in my head. If you're not interested in a resolution, then please move on.

But really, do I have to dissect every sentence that I post so people won't flip out on me? I think I'm done doing that.

If anyone else wants to bury the hatchet then let's do it. Otherwise I am running out of energy going over and over my old posts.

No-one flipped out on you. They merely pointed out disagreements with what you said, then you proceeded to take it personally. You don't have to dissect anything, but you have to be aware that people filter things through their own lenses.

Of course they're opinions. They're opinions based on my interpretations of what I've observed, just as yours are.

flickad
05-31-2007, 04:14 AM
Ya know....This was posted to clear the air, NOT to go back over old threads, further disect them, and try to still get the other person to see your side of things. There comes a time when you just have to agree to disagree, because your beating a dead horse.

I mean seriously, actually disecting old posts, trying to see hidden meanings, read between the lines, interpret "implied" messages. Fuck, if you look at anything that close, your bound to find something you don't like, or can argue about.

agree to disagree, or put each other on ignore.

No dissection was involved. Both NinaDaisy and I saw the same implication on the face of that post. Alexxa asked me to show her where the implication was made and I complied. I'd never have bothered without that request.

I don't mind the fact that not everyone will agree with me and have no need to put dissenters on ignore.

Lena
05-31-2007, 07:48 AM
Wow. I had no idea about any of this.

Question: Are all these threads in the lounge?

velvet
05-31-2007, 09:18 AM
^^^
answer YES
BLAH

Paintbaby
05-31-2007, 09:26 AM
?
I can't possibly see how I gave her the impression that I told her to keep the child. One of my very good friends is having an abortion in the very near future and she is doing it because she is keeping the best interests of the child in mind. One way or the other, she is thinking of the possible outcome in terms of what is best for the fetus, zygote, baby, child, blastocyte or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
If you want to give your opinion, don't make a counter-opinion out of my words or yes, I will take issue with it, especially when you attacked me in the childfree thread. If you start quoting my words, and if this happens on a regular basis, of course I will take it personally!

I have always thought your posts were intelligent, if not a little scientific, but I wouldn't say that you are wrong for how you feel about abortion or whatever. I have enjoyed your posts and agreed with you on many of them.

I want to ask, who is the Susan you are talking about? I don't remember Susan (Wayward) being in that thread at all. Or did you mean someone else?



:D

Pardon me, Alexxa. My mistake. I meant to say Nina. Also, I will say that I did not attack you on the childfree thread. That may have been your impression, but that is not what I did. When I attack someone verbally, there is no question---and I certainly do not think that an internet forum is the place to do this. I'm just not that emotionally invested. But I will argue any point I see worth debating, and if I have to quote someone to do so, I will. Please don't think this is personal---I may be using your words, but that doesn't mean I am taking a personal issue with YOU. I'm sure you are a cool gal in person. Again, I think this relates to the overall "taking things a wee bit personally" that we are discussing here. Are you reeeeeeally still that upset about it? I don't think that you are, but we all seem to be caught up in the cycle of negativity here.

Just chill, doll. Time to move on, no?

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 08:12 PM
I agree with Kailynn that we should just agree to disagree silently, because our opinions are not going to be similar and there is no point to continue with negating and making examples out of each other's posts.
If you disagree with a thought I might have in the future and feel as though you need to single me out to prove your point, then please just ignore it.
Like I said, I will take personal issue if people are quoting my words repeatedly and using it for argument purposes and saying that it's "all in my head" and that it's because I'm pregnant and the hormones are making me delusional. I'm not the only person who sees that I am being attacked.
If you don't see it, then don't tell me what is going on with me or how I feel about the way people respond to what I say. I will agree that my approach to this is unconventional, maybe a little out there, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to sit and watch every thread explode into a huge derailment over some misunderstanding about my wording.

flickad
05-31-2007, 08:46 PM
^

I always quote posts if I want to take issue with something in them (as do most people), and I'm sorry, but I'm not going to refrain from expressing an opinion just because it happens to be different from yours. I've got no problem with the fact that your opinions may differ from mine, but I'm not going to keep silent just because you've decided to take differences of opinion as a personal affront. If you can't handle the fact that I'm also opinionated and not always in the same direction as you, feel free to put me on ignore. I have never insulted you and do not see that I have any obligation to censor myself, given that my issues have always been with what you've said rather than you yourself and have always been phrased in the politest possible terms.

You may not be the only person who thinks you're being attacked, but I'm also not the only person who thinks you're being oversensitive in a lot of instances. I saw no 'explosion' in the impugned thread by the way. I saw a few people disagree on something and then I saw everyone move back on to the original topic.

Kailynn also never used the word 'silently'. She said 'agree to disagree', which does not necessarily involve silence at all. It may involve polite, respectful disagreement. My disagreement with some of your posts is also in no way 'negating' them. Disagreement and negation are very seperate things.

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 10:02 PM
Are you serious?^^

Why is it so hard for you to agree to just not reply to the things that I say? It's just a matter of respect now. Or is your pride and need to negate and disagree with me more important than keeping peace here? I never pick apart what you say and I don't feel the need to. All I am asking is that you don't do that to me. If you can't agree to that then you will lose all respect from me and consequently it will get ugly. I don't understand why you can't just leave me the fuck alone.

jaizaine
05-31-2007, 10:13 PM
I also use the quote function, often as a starting point for discussing a new opinion or idea and yes often as a point of dissent.

I really hope you are not asking Flickad and others not to quote anything you say if they are going to disagree with it.

I understand that threads should not be derailed to pick apart what you have said, that's fine.

But anyone who posts on a public forum should be open to their ideas and arguments being commented on, it's just the nature of the beast.

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 10:16 PM
I also use the quote function, often as a starting point for discussing a new opinion or idea and yes often as a point of dissent.

I really hope you are not asking Flickad and others not to quote anything you say if they are going to disagree with it.

I understand that threads should not be derailed to pick apart what you have said, that's fine.

But anyone who posts on a public forum should be open to their ideas and arguments being commented on, it's just the nature of the beast.

I am asking Flickad specifically to ignore my posts in general.

For the majority of the people who continuously disagree with me and like to pick apart my wording, then I also ask the same thing.

If someone disagrees with me respectfully, a quote here and there is to be expected. I just think it's gotten out of hand, which is the whole reason I made this thread in the first place.

Hatshepsut
05-31-2007, 11:01 PM
I don't understand why you can't just leave me the fuck alone.
I find it ironic that you have posted lengthy derails on threads that asked specifically not to derail using certain methods, yet you expect your thread to follow your wishes. You can't have your cake and eat it too.You have become quick to be offended and fight tooth and nail over imaginary insults. Lately, you've been like a minefield covered with eggshells. Nobody hates mothers, but people get mighty annoyed by victims, entitlement, and emotional hair triggers and diarrhea in place of logic and reasoning.

Pretty_Penny
05-31-2007, 11:18 PM
i like cunts.

*shrug* i've never had a problem with anything you've posted. i mean, i don't read everything on here, but you've always seemed keen to me.

everyone gets flamed from time to time though. i almost took a break from here for awhile because i got a bit irritated at some comments a few people made, but.... MOST people here awesome... so don't sweat it.

*edit/disclaimer* I AM NOT GETTING "INVOLVED" :P so nobody get their panties in a twist. i don't even know what the "sides" are, so i'm not taking any.

i was just stating that i, personaly, haven't had any problem

*hides*

flickad
05-31-2007, 11:42 PM
Are you serious?^^

Why is it so hard for you to agree to just not reply to the things that I say? It's just a matter of respect now. Or is your pride and need to negate and disagree with me more important than keeping peace here? I never pick apart what you say and I don't feel the need to. All I am asking is that you don't do that to me. If you can't agree to that then you will lose all respect from me and consequently it will get ugly. I don't understand why you can't just leave me the fuck alone.

Maybe I should ask you if you're serious. I've already pointed out that disagreement and negation are not the same thing. I'm not going to censor myself just because you can't cope with respectful disagreement (and I will point out that I have never said anything that could possibly be construed as disrespectful in response to any of your posts). If diverging opinions bother you that much, feel free to use the ignore function.

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 11:45 PM
I find it ironic that you have posted lengthy derails on threads that asked specifically not to derail using certain methods, yet you expect your thread to follow your wishes. You can't have your cake and eat it too.You have become quick to be offended and fight tooth and nail over imaginary insults. Lately, you've been like a minefield covered with eggshells. Nobody hates mothers, but people get mighty annoyed by victims, entitlement, and emotional hair triggers and diarrhea in place of logic and reasoning.

I am trying to resolve issues here and I'm going about it the best way I know how. In case you didn't notice, I am taking the derailment over here so that it doesn't have to happen in other threads. See the difference?
Don't like the way I am handling it? Then you can just ignore it too. If you are calling my thoughts "diarrhea" then I will have no other recourse than to ignore you as well. Buh-bye.

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 11:50 PM
Maybe I should ask you if you're serious. I've already pointed out that disagreement and negation are not the same thing. I'm not going to censor myself just because you can't cope with respectful disagreement (and I will point out that I have never said anything that could possibly be construed as disrespectful in response to any of your posts). If diverging opinions bother you that much, feel free to use the ignore function.

It's not a diverging opinion, it's the fact that I asked you to NOT RESPOND TO MY POSTS and you continue to push it instead of just agreeing to disagree. I'm not arguing with you anymore, Flickad. It's a waste of time since you obviously can't respect my wishes or even attempt to keep peace around here. I'm done with you.

AlexxaHex
05-31-2007, 11:51 PM
Oh and Hatsheput, I think you're still just whining that I came into your thread and then things went crazy. Get over the fucking childfree thread already. It was a failed experiment.

flickad
06-01-2007, 12:10 AM
It's not a diverging opinion, it's the fact that I asked you to NOT RESPOND TO MY POSTS and you continue to push it instead of just agreeing to disagree. I'm not arguing with you anymore, Flickad. It's a waste of time since you obviously can't respect my wishes or even attempt to keep peace around here. I'm done with you.

I am happy to agree to disagree (by which I mean accept that we will not always agree, rather than your definition which seems to involve me not being allowed to express an opinion). I will not, however, agree to censor myself just because you can't cope with the fact that I don't always agree with you. The problem here appears to be yours, and I won't buy into it. Sorry if that offends you, but I won't.

EDIT- The reason you want me to ignore your posts is because I don't always agree with them. Hence diverging opinions is exactly what it's about. I fail to see how 'keeping the peace' must involve biting my tongue in relation to you, since (again I reiterate) I have never been the slightest bit rude or insulting towards you. I'll reiterate (for the third time) that you can achieve the result you want through the use of the ignore function, and hence there is no actual need for you to get in a huff over my oh-so-inconsiderate refusal to keep my views to myself.

Hatshepsut
06-01-2007, 05:42 AM
Oh and Hatsheput, I think you're still just whining that I came into your thread and then things went crazy. Get over the fucking childfree thread already. It was a failed experiment.
It has happened several other times, with you on a hair trigger just WAITING for someone to say something that remotely might have insulted motherhood. Some have tried to point out things using logic, but you simply bypass logic and reasoning with, "But it's totally different." You have become intolerant, belligerent, and expect others to accept this. I just stayed out of the threads when you started your "In defense of motherhood," raves. Seriously, there are plenty of moms here who don't get annoyed by small comments and don't annoy or intrude on others.

Also, is it just me, or do the people who pride themselves in, "Telling it like it is," are the ones least likely to be able to eat the meals that they serve?