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Kaylinn
06-09-2007, 09:09 PM
^^ Makes sense now. I'd do the same thing. Thanks for explaining.

kylie3183
06-10-2007, 10:57 AM
Ahhh..... I misundersood.

mina loy
06-10-2007, 03:16 PM
so how does one pitch what josephine says? give me a formula on what to say and i'll see if it works.

Chrissy68
06-11-2007, 01:01 PM
^ i think what she's essentially saying is that she charges more for lap dances. instead of 60 she charges 70. instead of 75 on credit she charges 100. so to use what she says, charge 10 bucks more a song. you may run into trouble, if a custy knows that it's normally 20 and you're charging 30. but you can say well my dance is worth it, it's like nordstrom's vs. walmart. for just ten bucks more you get a much better dance. however i personally feel that it's unrealistic to do what she says. not that i doubt her per se, but that i find it hard to believe that so many custys will just pay the 70 per SONG. just like i doubt men paying more than 20-25 a song. personally, i like tocharge the normal price and then ask for a tip after. you may only get $2 more but often youll get $5 more. and that adds up. plus if it's 20, he'll do more songs, whereas if it's 30 he may not.. this is all based solely on my experiences.

mina loy
06-11-2007, 01:58 PM
^pfft. i'm too honest to charge more than the actual price.

Bridgette
06-13-2007, 06:49 AM
^The "actual price" is whatever you charge. We are independent contractors and can charge whatever price we want. So we can set our own actual price.

However, you're talking about the going rate - it's perfectly honest to charge a higher price than the going rate as long as you say so up front. In EVERY industry, there are some businesses or professionals who charge higher prices than the going rate, and no one calls them dishonest. Same with us. The only time it's dishonest to charge a higher price is if you just sell a dance then try to charge the guy more afterward. More girls need to realize WE are in control and we can charge more, and it is perfectly OK to do so!!



It IS perfectly feasible in touristy clubs to charge whatever you want for dances, and guys will pay it. Hell, even in non-touristy clubs you can do it if you word it right. There are many threads on how girls do this.

mina loy
06-14-2007, 10:44 PM
^there are signs in the specific areas in the club as to what the dance prices are. i don't want to have a customer point at the sign and ask why i charged him more.

*sigh*
i bought a book on building self-confidence. maybe that's what i need and the money will flow. i've had two nights where i've taken home over a grand, but those are the very rare exception and i didn't need to hustle for them at all.

miabella
06-14-2007, 11:26 PM
i worked in a club with signs for the price and still charged more than the stated amount. all i saw was an increase in my average earnings and more money in less time.

that said, some club cultures/environments are more anti-roll your own pricing than others, which has to be taken into account.

Chrissy68
06-15-2007, 02:36 AM
if he asks why, i often use the, "well, you can get a regular girl to give you a regular dance, or you can have one of the hottest dancers in the club give you a fantastic dance! i mean, it's like nordstrom's versus walmart... you get what you pay for!"
that never seemed to fail. heh. but you MUST say with confidence. if you falter over words they wont buy your dance.

Bridgette
06-15-2007, 11:17 AM
Signs don't really mean anything - we are still independent contractors and able to charge what we want. You can charge more than the price on the signs. Lots of girls do it and I often do it. Most guys don't even notice the signs, but if they do and say something, just tell them something like Chrissy posted. Or I like to say something like "you want the cheap dance, or you want the GOOD dance?" They always want the good dance ;D

Yes, gotta build the confidence. Say anything with confidence and it will sell ;)

mina loy
06-15-2007, 09:08 PM
^i'll try the above tip when i get to reading the confidence book. really, maybe that's just all i need.

Lena
06-16-2007, 06:12 AM
^ Yeah, confidence has been the biggest factor in increasing my earnings. Even totally over the top exaggerated confidence will improve your money.

Bridgette
06-17-2007, 04:02 PM
^i'll try the above tip when i get to reading the confidence book. really, maybe that's just all i need.
I suggest you try some of the tips above NOW. Practice saying it at home, by yourself. Say it out loud and proud. Part of it is just getting yourself used to saying these things. You can fake confidence a little, and then when you see this stuff working, you'll BE more confident doing it more.

I do this stuff at home by myself and it works. Imagine a typical situation selling a guy a dance. Say your schpiel OUT LOUD, including telling him the price (your own higher price). Say it like you mean it. After all, no one is there to object or laugh at you - it's just you and the walls. Then imagine the guy pointing to the $20 sign and asking about it - now you shrug your shoulders and say OUT LOUD, "you want the cheap dance, or the GOOD dance?" Again, say it like you mean it.

Vary your scenarios and repeat several times a day. Do it while getting ready for work or on the ride to work especially. Do it at random times while doing dishes or whatever. Just get yourself used to saying this stuff. And, ALWAYS IMAGINE THE GUY AGREEING WITH YOU AT THE END.

I know it seems corny and weird as hell, but really, this kind of exercise has helped me more than anything else. You don't have to read confidence in a book. You can just practice and fake it til you make it ;D

holiday
06-18-2007, 09:25 AM
Bridgette,
At my club there is clearly a notice that says dancers must charge $20 a dance, no more - no less, and while I realize that it was posted because of girls probably charging LESS than $20, I still don't want to get in trouble. What do you think about telling customers that my dancer are "a minimum $20" or something like that? Do you think they'd be cheap and just pay the $20, or do you think it might encourage some tippage?

Although, now that I think about it, how could it possibly be a problem with the club for me to charge more?

Emily
06-18-2007, 10:08 AM
^ Yeah, confidence has been the biggest factor in increasing my earnings. Even totally over the top exaggerated confidence will improve your money.

yes! One of my best nights ever.

There was literally one customer sitting by himself and he just got out of a 30 min VIP with another girl. He was a 20-something truck driver, so we're not talking a high roller here.

I tried to convince him to do a dance with me, he agreed, and I upsold him to the VIP.... and ended up keeping him back there the entire night using the line, "you really should get a dance with the prettiest girl in the club before you go."

What's he going to say? That I'm not? :)

But you have to have the confidence to pull this off.

As for charging more than the going rate...I jsut see it being bad business to suggest a higher dance price. You might lose a $20 dance sale if you say it's $30....but you'll for sure get at least $20 if you do a $20 dance and ask for a tip. This assumes that the large majority of girls are charging $20.

Chrissy68
06-18-2007, 10:16 AM
yes, confidence most definitely.

someone posted in another thread that sometimes that backfired on her, and the custy said she was conceited. so jsut realize, you have to be prepared with a comeback for a jerk like that. "hey, i just tell it like it is. plus, you should spend your money wisely, go with someone who gives an amazing dance versus the so-so dance."

Optimist
06-18-2007, 10:47 AM
^^^I always come back with " You deserve ONLY the best!"

Bridgette
06-18-2007, 12:29 PM
If your club has a strict dance price policy, and you might really get in trouble for charging more, then you can always say the price is $20 plus tip. There are many ways to word the tip part - been discussed here many times. I would do a search for how to ask for a tip and you'll find lots of posts ;)

kylie3183
06-18-2007, 01:34 PM
The $20 minimum thing works well for me. Most guys get the hint, and give you atleast a few extra. On Saturday, I even had a guy that ended up giving me $50 a song.

saphire123456
06-18-2007, 11:55 PM
i think being able to charge more depends on the club dynamics. i think smne said already that if the crowd is mostly tourists, then its green light-go, otherwise they know regular prices. in atlantic city i learned this trick.....guy pays for dance up front (pays club) then you get in the back and say "slide me a $20 before we get started" (same way in CR but $100) if you say it with conviction most guys would just give it to you, but when they asked why i just said "its better this way (while noding, naturally) i can't take credit for this, i didn't come up with it, a quarter of the girls do it.

jaizaine
06-19-2007, 02:09 AM
My club has $30 HF and no tip-out.

Our dance prices are $20 per song or $50 for 3 songs.

I always offer both unless it's extremely busy and I am in demand with several customers waiting then they only get the $50 option.

I have pretty much doubled my earnings from when I was a newbie (of course by gaining experience) from selling multiple dances. I ask almost every guy that I dance for if he would like to keep going (the guys have to pay before the dance starts here). The only ones I dont ask are guys who make me uncomfortable during the dance.
Not everyone says yes, it's usually 50/50 but that is a big increase in money over the course of the night.

StevieStar7
06-19-2007, 02:30 PM
^^ Our dances are $20...but I'm wondering if that wouldn't be a good way to up sell to the custy who usually buys only a dance or two anyways? I mean if they're just going to by 1 or 2...why not say you'll do 3 for $50, yes I'd be losing $10 bucks in a sense, but for the cheapo custy, maybe he'd think that was a deal and spend the "extra money"?.....

Emily
06-19-2007, 02:49 PM
^^ Our dances are $20...but I'm wondering if that wouldn't be a good way to up sell to the custy who usually buys only a dance or two anyways? I mean if they're just going to by 1 or 2...why not say you'll do 3 for $50, yes I'd be losing $10 bucks in a sense, but for the cheapo custy, maybe he'd think that was a deal and spend the "extra money"?.....

I have to say that I think this is a bad idea. Not only will you piss off other dancers by undercutting them, you've essentially devalued the $20 lap dance, which is the entire basis of our earnings. If you do 3/$50 and you ask for a tip, you'll probably get $60 or less, whereas if you sold him 3 dances and got a tip out of him, you'd probably get $70 or $80. Obviously it's a different scenario in jaizaine's club where it's standard practice to charge 3/$50.

Also, going back to the title of the thread, one becomes a high earner by doing the same work as everyone else, just getting more for it. Somehow this thread has evolved into how to sell more $20 dances, and that is not how the high earners are making their money.

StevieStar7
06-19-2007, 10:03 PM
^^^I really don't think so...and I'm not talking about the reg custy...I'm talking about the guy who seems to never want to give the cash up! Why take $20 for the one dance he usually buys, when if you offer him 3 for $50 and he buys, thinking you've just cut him a deal?
In all my years of dancing here in Dallas, I don't know that asking for "tips" after doing lap dances in common practice down here....Not that it's not a good idea (i'll def. be asking for tips from now on :) ) but from what I've seen girls down here it's just not common practice.
Also, I can't see where it would piss other girls off cause for one, I'm really not in other dancers' money making business...no one ever complains about asking or getting paid more than the "$20" for a lap dance. For example, if you do 3 laps dances and the guy is suppose to pay you $60, but offers $100, I don't think a dancer is going to turn that $100 away.
And let's talk about the "extra girls" and what they charge for the services they do! You got girls getting x amount of dollars for hj, bj, sex, ect. and I have to compete with that....I don't think anyones going to complain if I were to charge 3 for $50!....
just my opinion

miabella
06-19-2007, 11:30 PM
i only worked in dallas a few weeks in 2004 when i had not been dancing long at all, and customers tipped on dances, without me even mentioning in most instances. it was a surprise compared to houston.

they were also advocates of one-way contact.

it is too bad if that sort of pleasantry fell by the wayside so readily.

ah, memories.

jaizaine
06-19-2007, 11:34 PM
Obviously it's a different scenario in jaizaine's club where it's standard practice to charge 3/$50.



Yeah u r right, it's a standard deal at my club and we cannot sell any dance for under $20.

But often the customers do see it as better than getting one song at a time because then if they got 3 it would be $60. So I always say "it's 20 per song but the 3 songs for $50 is a better deal" and most guys pay it.

But asking for multiples is the key. You save more time selling to the same custie than u would finishing that dance and then hustling a new custie for that first dance.

StevieStar7
06-19-2007, 11:54 PM
i only worked in dallas a few weeks in 2004 when i had not been dancing long at all, and customers tipped on dances, without me even mentioning in most instances.

Well, I can tell you I've danced in Dallas for quite some time, and I've never seen this.

Emily
06-20-2007, 01:45 AM
In all my years of dancing here in Dallas, I don't know that asking for "tips" after doing lap dances in common practice down here....Not that it's not a good idea (i'll def. be asking for tips from now on :) ) but from what I've seen girls down here it's just not common practice.
so what's if it's not common to ask for tips? I'm not sure why that would prohibit girls from asking for one.


Also, I can't see where it would piss other girls off cause for one, I'm really not in other dancers' money making business...no one ever complains about asking or getting paid more than the "$20" for a lap dance. For example, if you do 3 laps dances and the guy is suppose to pay you $60, but offers $100, I don't think a dancer is going to turn that $100 away.
completely different scenario. You are compromising the value of a dance to sell it less than the going rate. When you make the dance less valuable, then it sets a bad precedent. Do you really not see the problem with offering discounts on the bread and butter of our business?


And let's talk about the "extra girls" and what they charge for the services they do! You got girls getting x amount of dollars for hj, bj, sex, ect. and I have to compete with that....I don't think anyones going to complain if I were to charge 3 for $50!....
just my opinion

I would. Anything that a damcer does that minimizes the value of what I do upsets me, including extras.

StevieStar7
06-20-2007, 09:45 AM
^^^ First off let's get something straight, I've never even done 3 dances for $50, I was simple implying that the standard practice at jaizanie's club to sell 3 for $50 sounded like a good idea, esp. when dealing with a cheap custy...that maybe he would spend a bit more than the $20 he normally just spends. That's ALL....nothing more, nothing less...It was a statement!

Second, just because it's not common practice to ask for tips after dances down here, doesn't mean that it would prohibit any dancer from asking for one....I never said or implied that...I'm once again just stating what it is like here in My City! I think asking for tips after doing lap(s) dances is a GREAT thing...just isn't the norm here in Dallas.....geeezzz

Third, you said that anything a dancer does that minimizes the value of what you do upsets you (including "extras and compromising the value of a dance to sell it less than the going rate)...well News Flash....there's a hell of a lot of Extras going on at our clubs!!! That problem will not be going away anytime soon, so my point was.....let's level the playing field! They want to make my job tougher by offering hj, bj or whatever for $20...then I'll get my money any way I can too....!!! Even if you complained about the "extras" to the management....they don't care, they're not going to stop it from happening....so now what?

My point all along was Wow...Jaizaine....that's pretty neat that at your club you can charge $20 or you can charge 3 for $50....what a good idea for the custy that never wants to spend more than $20 anyways....Not trying to devalue to $20 lap dance....just a simple little observation....excuse me

miabella
06-20-2007, 11:34 AM
well, i was at the clubhouse, and i don't know if that had anything to do with it.

also, buffie06 works (worked?) in dallas, and i remember a thread where she posted that she flat out sells a price-list of dances 20/40/60 or even 40/60/80. i remember reading that and being like 'now that is an excellent idea'.

it is a variation of the 'good' dance for 20 and the 'great' dance for 40, but with more options to make money.

StevieStar7
06-20-2007, 11:59 AM
I would. Anything that a damcer does that minimizes the value of what I do upsets me, including extras.

One more thing, you made the above comment in response to me saying, with all the extras being done, I don't think anyone would complain if I charge 3 for $50... see here's the thing, you dance in Philly and I dance in Dallas, so I don't think we'll be working together any time soon. So, if I did decided to do 3 for $50, you don't work with me to complain....so I could really care less what you think!;D

Emily
06-20-2007, 01:54 PM
.so I could really care less what you think!;D

Okay, that's fine, but I think you missed the point of what I was saying.

On a micro level, I don't care what you do because what you do obviously doesn't affect me, but in the SW sisterhood way I do care because I assume you came into this thread to learn how to be a high earner.

I am trying to talk about how to be a high earner by getting more for the work I'm already doing, and you are talking about how to sell more lap dances in a way that can potentially hurt your money.

StevieStar7
06-20-2007, 02:19 PM
...and I think you're missing my point! I did not come to this thread to "learn" how to be come a high earner. My earnings are just fine. Not that it matters, but I came on this thread because like many threads I go on to, I find what is being discussed interesting. I'm sure the way you go about getting your $$$ works for you and believe me the way I go about getting mine, works for me...I didn't ask for your money making advice...I simple posted my thoughts about what jaizaine said...so for the SW sisterhood..."agree to disagree"

Chrissy68
06-20-2007, 02:29 PM
wait a minute.. if you didn't come into this thread to learn how to be a high earner, why are you here?

and jaizaine is in AUSTRALIA. and has posted about 3/50 several times on this board. devaluing a dance price is not a good thing. but instead, you could say "$20 for a dance, but $40 for a really good/naughty/hot one." that helps increase your earnings without devaluing the price of the dance.

if you cut deals, with a basic $20 dance, you will piss off the other dancers in DALLAS not in philly, clearly that was obvious. what emily was trying to help you understand was that there are better ways to get a guy for 3 songs instead of devaluing the dance price, like saying that as you go on it gets better, or that you've enjoyed the first but you cant wait to get naughty with him.

arguing isnt getting anywhere.. let's stop that.. and return to the thread's namesake.

StevieStar7
06-20-2007, 02:58 PM
*wondering if you two are reading what I'm posting*....once again, No I did not come in here to learn how to be a high earner...I found what was being said in here interesting....I didn't know that I could only post a comment, if I was wanting to learn how to be a high earner? Are you two in here to learn how to be high earners yourself?
I also don't know what jaizaine being in Australia has to do with anything?....And I wouldn't piss off OTHER dancers in Dallas for doing 3 for $50? What about the extra girls that screw with reg dancers money all the time??!! I could care less if it piss someone off! They don't give a shit about turning tricks in the club to make their money any way they can...

And from the beginning, all i ever said was (once again) was "Wow...it is $20 a song, but that the cheap ass custy might find it a better deal to do 3 for $50, because normally it would be 3 for $60" I have never even charged 3 for $50....I was just making a comment....I can't just come in a post a thought?

...you know, I feel like a dog chasing it's tail, this is just pointless!

Chrissy68
06-20-2007, 03:15 PM
i think you have missed the point several times. but that's long gone now. enough of this BS. good luck to you in dallas.

StevieStar7
06-20-2007, 03:18 PM
no, i don't think that i have...

Adelina
06-20-2007, 03:21 PM
In my opinion, as soon as one girl starts charging 50 for 3 dances, other desperate girls will do as well, and it will start a vicious cycle like the one with extras. Someone started doing extras and other girls felt they "had to" since they felt they couldn't make the same money any more by doing just dances. Which in turn did devalue our job and hurt our money. So now to be more inventive someone comes with the idea of doing 3 for 50, what's next, 2 for 20? With the inflation, hurting economy and the increasing cost of living, we are not making as much as we used to anyways, and even the 20 dollars we get for a dance today doesn't equal 20 dollars we got a few years ago. The cheaper we sell our dances, even if it temporarily helps one particular dancer to increase her earnings, the lower the cost of extras will be eventually, and so a clean dancer will have an even harder time to sell a regualr 20 dollar dance. I wote against 3 for 50. If I found out someone was doing it in my club, I'd be pissed. I work in Dallas. But I'd also be pissed someone was doing it ANYWHERE, even if it didn't hurt my earnings personally at the moment. I think we girls need to keep our standards high and if we change anything, go higher, not lower.

miabella
06-20-2007, 07:19 PM
i posted a whole thread about the horrors of 3/50 (actually 3/40).

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65354

and the dancer in question did manage to periodically piss off the other girls over the pricing, even though they were all friends otc.

StevieStar7
06-20-2007, 08:06 PM
^^^ Thank You for posting that thread. I read it and enjoyed what was said. It looks like there are some folks out there that get it!

bellasera
06-21-2007, 07:33 PM
Sometimes I will do the 3/50 deal if a guy has already gotten 2 dances and says no to third one, sometimes I will ask and sometimes he will change his mind. I just have to read the guy. I don't do this with regulars tho or custys that seem like potential regulars. But I think it is common practice in my club. We also have a 2 for one half hour special everyday. So its flexible, we just can't charge less than 10$.

holiday
06-21-2007, 08:55 PM
As a personal policy, I absolutely never cut deals with dance prices. It undercuts the other girls and I wouldn't appreciate it if other dancers were doing it in my club, so therefore I always charge full price.

And, I tell ya, when a guy tries to negotiate, I simply tell him that my dances are worth every penny and I don't make deals, he always drops it and pays full price. Well, not "always" I think I've lost maybe 2 or 3 dances over the years. But I figure that's 2 or 3 $10 dances (from the regular $20) - versus the amounts I've made up by always charging full price AND I know I've done my part to keep customers from thinking they can get dances for less. Prices should be going up in my opinion! Inflation! ;)

holiday
06-21-2007, 08:57 PM
Oh ya - since this thread seems a little sensitive ... I'd like to add that I understand cases such as bellasera's where the club runs specials already. I'd probably do the same as her in that set up.

luvbuniz
06-22-2007, 05:11 PM
I don't usually cut deals but on a particularly slow night I have once or twice. The only problem is that these cheap assholes still want the most bang for their buck even if they have bargained you down.

Sometimes these assholes even try to bargain even lower after the dance. >:(

Bridgette
06-24-2007, 11:57 PM
I always say, get MORE not less! I don't cut deals - well, I started using the "give you this (floor)dance for free if you take me to VIP right now" deal, and that works, but that's an UPsell, not a downsell. 3/$50 vs $20/song is a downsell - no thanks. I will never but never give away dances or time for less than the standard price, and I try to get MORE if possible.

All strippers need to learn to negotiate UP, not down. Who the hell started this downselling thing, anyway??? Offering deals like 3/$50 when the regular price is $20, isn't going up, it's actually going down, because now you're doing more work for less money. The idea is to get more money for less work!

One little thing I do in the Phx club where VIP is $25/song with a club-set 3song minimum: I do a 4song minimum. It's not much of a jump, but it takes zero extra time to sell it, so it's an improvement in my book. This also makes it easier for me to sell him additional blocks of 4 after the first set, instead of one at a time ;D If there were more room for negotiation in this club, I'd surely do it.

In other clubs where VIP is sold by the hour, I always name a higher price than the standard, and negotiate from there. I never agree to less than the standard. I often get a higher price.

There's always a way to make more money, you just have to figure out how to work the club's system to your advantage instead of someone else's. Cutting discount deals, no matter what some girls think, is never to the girls' advantage.


I don't usually cut deals but on a particularly slow night I have once or twice. The only problem is that these cheap assholes still want the most bang for their buck even if they have bargained you down.



Sometimes these assholes even try to bargain even lower after the dance. That's because you've opened the door to bargaining - once you do that, they'll try to see how low they can get you to go. It's the nature of bargainhunters. Keep your standards high and you'll avoid that. You may lose a dance or two here and there, but 1) you don't have to deal with the asshole insulting you for cheap and 2) knowing your worth makes you more money in the end because someone else WILL pay full price.

jaizaine
06-25-2007, 12:07 AM
I just want to clarify and I think it's been said back a few pages in the thread but the 3/50 is a standard price in my club, I am not undercutting anyone.
It's the clubs price not mine.

ALee
06-25-2007, 01:01 AM
I can vouch that it is standard in melbourne to do 3 for $50

Only @ rhino is it $20 for topless, $30 for niude (both one song) or $50 for 2 songs (but you work harder to sell then any other club on king street)

jaizaine
06-25-2007, 01:29 AM
Thanks Alee

alani.girl
06-25-2007, 09:03 AM
Emily,

I know this must sound sad, but how do you convince someone that you are worth $1k or better? What is the appropriate way to ask a custie for a big tip? When I try my hand at assertiveness w/ the custies I feel like most of them can sense that I don't really mean it or that I'm not a pro and want to give me a hard(er) way to go. :-(

Kaylinn
06-25-2007, 10:53 AM
The problem with downselling, or cutting deals is essentially your implying to the customer your worth the lesser price. Which is saying your NOT worth the higher price. If you go around down selling, how the hell would you ever be able to upsell that customer, when you have already given him the impression you are worth a cheaper price? It's only setting yourself up for failure.
And just because it's a cheap customer who would not have bough the dance at the whole amount..I think that is bullshit.
It's onyl $10 more. If he will buy 3 for $50, then he will buy 3 for $60. It's 10 bucks. That 10 wont break him, and if you are a powerful enough seller, you can get him to spend the extra $10. And if you already got him to buy 2 dances, going for the third is the easy part, IMO. If he already bought 1 repeat, then tsellign a third is pretty simple.


And how do you convince someone your worth 1grand or more?
Believe it yourself. You'll never sell it if you don't truly believe your worth each and every penny. Which is pretty much why you shouldn't undersell your dances. It's implying your worth less. If you believe your time is worth a thousand dollars, and you believe your worth a thousand dollars, you can convince others of the same thing.

Ok...so now I have a question


In other clubs where VIP is sold by the hour, I always name a higher price than the standard, and negotiate from there. I never agree to less than the standard. I often get a higher price.


B...At every club I've worked at out here, when you go into VIP, the host tells the customer the prices. " I'm sure the lady told you already, but for the hour, it's $400 for her, $100 drink tab"
How do you get around that with naming your higher price? Tell the customer that it's normally this much, but you cost this much more because your dances are better? I think that might imply he's getting someone extra?