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Lexi
06-11-2007, 11:12 AM
Holy shit... Its disgusting and yest fascinating. What the hell is the world coming to?

Tart
06-11-2007, 11:54 AM
^ the end I think

FrustratedBunny
06-11-2007, 11:31 PM
I didn't see anything on the Dolcett site. Do you have to join to get in?

As far as the HIV+ thing, I asked a gay friend about it and he's like "Duh, didn't you know about that?" Well, duh, guess not. I guess I don't go into enough of the types of places where guys try to get AIDS.

flickad
06-12-2007, 12:05 AM
You can't sign away human rights, voluntarily or otherwise. I mean I'm sure it is symbolic, but you can't sign a contract to have someone eat you. That is just not going to be binding.

Yep, illegality voids contracts, and no defense of consent exists with regard to assault (so S&M activity can technically be prosecuted, and in fact has been, in the UK).

You can sign away your rights in tort though (exclusion clauses), which i think sucks.

AlexxaHex
06-12-2007, 01:30 AM
A male can legally sign away his human rights in the OWK:


It actually exists.

cherry_sin
06-12-2007, 08:06 AM
Yeah.... it's Dolcett, California... same kinda thing.

Mr Hyde
06-12-2007, 09:03 AM
Can you link us to this webpage that shows the women holding their ID and contract or whatever? You'll have to excuse me if I sound doubtful.

Maybe one person being eaten by another, I can see. 24? And women? I find that very hard to believe, especially considering that the only case of this that I've ever heard of was that one in Germany a few years back, and that made news all over the place. I'd think 24 women would find its way to the media, somehow.

LuckiCharm
06-12-2007, 09:06 AM
Can you link us to this webpage that shows the women holding their ID and contract or whatever? You'll have to excuse me if I sound doubtful.

Maybe one person being eaten by another, I can see. 24? And women? I find that very hard to believe, especially considering that the only case of this that I've ever heard of was that one in Germany a few years back, and that made news all over the place. I'd think 24 women would find its way to the media, somehow.

Yea I would think it would have been all over the news too.

cherry_sin
06-12-2007, 09:25 AM
*Grunts in frustration* Seems the gentleman no longer has the site running. I emailed him and am awaiting reply.

And yes, you'd think it would be all over the news.... but consider this: any woman who is consensually allowing herself to be spitted - that is, a hardcore/lifestyle spit-muffin/love-meat, imagine her family/friends.... do you honestly think this is a person with healthy, caring relationships?

You can beleive or not beleive. I do, for reasons I won't get into. There are real Dolcett girls.

Jenny
06-12-2007, 09:41 AM
A male can legally sign away his human rights in the OWK:
www.owk.cz (http://www.owk.cz)

It actually exists.
Um... okay. You're kidding right?
I'm sure it "exists" insofar as the website exists and they likely provide some of the interaction that they describe. But it is not, by any definition, an actual state and still cannot legitimately claim to have binding contracts on human slavery. Just so you realize. I mean, I'm sure it is very symbolically important, but it is either consensual or illegal. I mean it's cute and all, but it is not legally binding (either the the Czech or here).

So, no he can't.

scarymary77
06-12-2007, 09:47 AM
i've read about this before. i found it in a gay men's mag back when i had a job that involved serving the glbt community.

this 'fetish' mostly exists amongst gay and bi men.

it comes from the social stigma of back in the day that gay men were responsible for the spread of hiv and stds. back then, they didnt use condoms because there was no risk of pregnancy. this is similar to the attitude of some gay men wanting to be physically fit to go against the stereotype that gay men are skinny and physically weak.

gay and bi men who participate in barebacking mostly have the attitude of 'well, we're known for this, why not just live up to the stereotype? who cares'. most of these people are very unhappy to the point of being suicidal. it probably comes mostly from being unaccepted due to sexual orientation. the isolation they feel results in very risky behaviors. the magazine i read interviewed a man who had participated in risky barebacking and was now pos. he thought it would be cool to have hiv. most of his gay friends had it and he wanted to fit in with them. he also craved attention and wanted sympathy of others. then he realized how dumb it was when he was sick all the time from it.

shirtystrumpet
06-12-2007, 01:03 PM
As far as I know, he OWK isn't legally recognized by the Czech Republic as it's own state/country/etc., so I don't know how it could have that sort of signing away of rights.
Most newspapers require a death certificate for an obit, and it's pretty hard to get a death certificate without a body. It's also pretty hard for a mortician to fail to notice that a body is cooked and partially eaten. Yeah, maybe it is possible for a few girls to simply disappear, but these girls wouldn't have obituaries.

LuckiCharm
06-12-2007, 01:13 PM
This is a very strange thread :)

cameron_keys
06-12-2007, 01:50 PM
This is a very strange thread :)

Seriously...just when I think I've heard it all...someone out there raises the wierdness bar!

AlexxaHex
06-12-2007, 02:06 PM
Um... okay. You're kidding right?
I'm sure it "exists" insofar as the website exists and they likely provide some of the interaction that they describe. But it is not, by any definition, an actual state and still cannot legitimately claim to have binding contracts on human slavery. Just so you realize. I mean, I'm sure it is very symbolically important, but it is either consensual or illegal. I mean it's cute and all, but it is not legally binding (either the the Czech or here).

So, no he can't.

I know people who have been there and it is it's own state. The website and merchandise they sell is to help the economy by encouraging tourism. You could go there too if you wanted, so long as you subscribe to female supremacy. Women actually do rule men there and do treat them as property. They have their own laws and currency as well.

Jenny
06-12-2007, 02:17 PM
I know people who have been there and it is it's own state. The website and merchandise they sell is to help the economy by encouraging tourism. You could go there too if you wanted, so long as you subscribe to female supremacy. Women actually do rule men there and do treat them as property. They have their own laws and currency as well.Allexxa - honey. It's NOT a state. Look at it:

The Other World Kingdom (OWK) is a private state, founded upon the principle of a slave-holding Matriarchal monarchy.
What does a "private state" even mean? It's in the Czech republic for crying out loud. It's play - it's something they are saying, it doesn't make it so.


The OWK is a nation without borders and may extend its reaches to anywhere on Earth.
Okay - I don't even know where to start with this... but I think it is obvious that it is a state of mind. It's fine, it's cute, I'm sure lots of people love and sign up and act for all intents and purposes like it is actually binding - but it's not. Read the website - it's a themepark. I don't say that as a criticism of it - like I said, I'm sure the people who partake love it. But it is NOT an independent state and cannot enforce contracts of human slavery.

cameron_keys
06-12-2007, 02:18 PM
Women actually do rule men there and do treat them as property. They have their own laws and currency as well.

Well, I know where I want to go on vacation this year....}:D

AlexxaHex
06-12-2007, 02:52 PM
Jenny, this is a place where people actually live. It's not a theme park or just a website.

You conveniently left out these quotes:


The OWK as a true state is governed by its own Laws and Regulations, and has its own currency , passports, police force, courts , State Flag and State Hymn.



The lowest social class, on the level of a normal farm animal, is made up of slaves. These creatures have forfeited all rights and freedoms and are the private property of their Lady Owners. Slaves are recognized as being state (in proprietorship of the Queen) or personal (private property of the Ladies).


1. The Lady Owner may use the slave in Her ownership for any legal activity without any limitation.


1. The Lady Owner may treat a slave in Her ownership as She wishes without any limitations.


1. The slave has no rights.


Where they are saying it is a "nation without borders", it means that their philosophy extends to other parts of the world. The women who visit may petition to become Sublime Lady Citizens, or ambassadors of sorts, to the OWK.
I think they are required to adhere to the major laws of the Czech Republic, so any murder or theft and the like would be reported to national law enforcement.

As I said I personally know several people who have been there and they can attest to the fact that it is a real place where women own men as property. It's not really that outrageous a concept when you think of how men treat women in many cultures around the world.

Jay Zeno
06-12-2007, 02:59 PM
I can "legally" sign away my rights in the U.S., until it comes to the point that I want them enforced. Then the contract becomes unenforceable.

If the Czech Republic has anti-slavery laws, and I must imagine that it does, then signing away slavery is only valid until someone actually protests to a Czech civil authority. But I imagine that the males who are there are there willingly, because they're there to have their version of fun. But if, for instance, the lady shot the guy in the head, because he has no rights, after all, there would be enforcement of Czech homicide laws.

Jenny
06-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Alexxa - I don't know what to tell you. There are people who live on Disney's resorts too, and trust me, they are a lot closer to having a state - oh, I know people who have been to Disneyland too. And the fact that they SAY it's the happiest place on earth? Doesn't make it a legal reality. Just a trademark. Go ahead. Look through the UN database. Find me where it is an acknowledged state. All those quotes are PART of the themepark. Like people sign similar contracts in Canada ALL THE TIME - it doesn't make them real laws. Th czech is part of the UN and cannot allow slavery. Ergo. The contracts are not valid. They may be honoured regardless - like the men who sign them may not wish to break them - but that does not give them legal viability.

Really, I could start a website and say that all men in my apartment are slaves, and make them all sign contracts before they come in and develop my very own monopoly money. It doesn't make it legal currency, nor does it mean I can actually prevent them from leaving.

Tart
06-12-2007, 03:40 PM
*Grunts in frustration* Seems the gentleman no longer has the site running. I emailed him and am awaiting reply.

And yes, you'd think it would be all over the news.... but consider this: any woman who is consensually allowing herself to be spitted - that is, a hardcore/lifestyle spit-muffin/love-meat, imagine her family/friends.... do you honestly think this is a person with healthy, caring relationships?

You can beleive or not beleive. I do, for reasons I won't get into. There are real Dolcett girls.

I did sign up for this site but it's all fantasy related as in writings etc. Im a sick fuck, I like finding the real deal.

The underbelly intrigues me.

LuckiCharm
06-12-2007, 04:57 PM
I did sign up for this site but it's all fantasy related as in writings etc. Im a sick fuck, I like finding the real deal.

The underbelly intrigues me.

Yea for real, where's the GRUESOME shit??? }:D

madmaxine
06-12-2007, 05:29 PM
We need the Suicide Booths from "Welcome To The Monkey House" (Kurt Vonnegut short story) and "Futurama"....Give these people what they want pronto.

I actually find all of this less disturbing that the daily victimization of innocent, unwilling people on the planet (war zones, grinding poverty, etc.)

cherry_sin
06-12-2007, 09:11 PM
You know, I have this to say in response to some people on this thread and the PM's:

I'm really, TRULY thrilled for you that you doubt. I really am.

I wish I hadn't seen the shit I've seen so that I could.

Beleive what you want - how you want - rationalize with what you want. But it happens. Lots of shit happens that most people don't want to beleive - and that's how they get away with it.

And FYI, if a family has "reasonable suspicion" you can have a death certificate de facto created until the person is proved alive. It doesn't have to be the family, though, it can be someone married to or with legal guardianship of said person. It's what you do when you can't find a body or someone disappears and you want closure.

Trust me, honey, people don't just start doing this in their basements without knowing all the ins and outs. A fetish this hardcore is not usually one you take up lightly.

AlexxaHex
06-12-2007, 09:25 PM
I can "legally" sign away my rights in the U.S., until it comes to the point that I want them enforced. Then the contract becomes unenforceable.

If the Czech Republic has anti-slavery laws, and I must imagine that it does, then signing away slavery is only valid until someone actually protests to a Czech civil authority. But I imagine that the males who are there are there willingly, because they're there to have their version of fun. But if, for instance, the lady shot the guy in the head, because he has no rights, after all, there would be enforcement of Czech homicide laws.

Yes, you are probably right.

LuckiCharm
06-12-2007, 09:39 PM
I wish I hadn't seen the shit I've seen so that I could.

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I'm not saying I doubt you, I believe there are some twisted people in the world...But...you actually SAW this take place?

Tart
06-12-2007, 09:43 PM
^ I believe anything is possible and def. with the fetish of obviously being eaten.

But I don't understand it all the way. Cherry , can you break it down. like I get it's all sub/dom stuff but what all does it entail?

Beyond the eating etc.. are people alive and eaten?

Roulette
06-12-2007, 10:54 PM
I've never seen this thread before, but I've known about this for a while. I am very sorry that this is a fetish. In my eyes it is just self destruction... and it makes me sad.

LoveMyPA
06-12-2007, 10:54 PM
Yeah, there was a Law & Order: SVU on this. As has been said Darwinism at it's best.

While I understand craving escape from your other troubles, craving control in your life on your own terms, craving a sense of community, etc...all of which bugchasers feel their lifestyle may provide them, they also call purposely making yourself ill to be a mental disorder: Munchausen's Disorder. Portraying bugchasing as merely a fetish is not quite the whole picture.

I do not approve of the blatant disregard of one'e sexual and physical health and those of one's sex partners. They say any sexual activity is "healthy" as long as it's safe, sane, and consensual...this shit is neither safe or sane.

Two thumbs down!

Danielle_4370
06-12-2007, 10:59 PM
I knew there are some who go looking for "the gift" (HIV) so they don't have to worry about getting it in the future. But this?
WTF?

TheSexKitten
06-12-2007, 11:31 PM
^ I believe anything is possible and def. with the fetish of obviously being eaten.

But I don't understand it all the way. Cherry , can you break it down. like I get it's all sub/dom stuff but what all does it entail?

Beyond the eating etc.. are people alive and eaten?

Holy shit you took the words outta my mouth! I am soooo curious about all this. Do explain.

FrustratedBunny
06-12-2007, 11:46 PM
Holy shit you took the words outta my mouth! I am soooo curious about all this. Do explain.

me too. I really would like to see the pics of the girls. I find it very hard to believe honestly.

LuckiCharm
06-13-2007, 11:23 AM
Soo...According to this, Dolcett is actually a fetish fantasy artist who is actually against any REAL acts of cannabalism or violence. So how are there "real" Dolcett girls when Dolcett is against really acting out cannabalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolcett

TheSexKitten
06-13-2007, 11:31 AM
umm, sign up and look at the threads...

a small percentage of the forum members "would actually", most of those specified that it would have to be consensual

cherry_sin
06-13-2007, 12:09 PM
Okay, I'll break it down.

In very broad, general terms (please, no one get pedantic on me) there are a couple of fetishes that fall into this. On the female end, there is of course being meat - being treated as nothing more and nothing less. There's also a submission aspect - some of the girls into this view it as the most extreme gift of submission you can give. Also, a lot of these girls have snuff fetishes. And, well, to be honest, some are contemplating suicide. A less reputable man will convince her to "do something good with her life and make someone else happy".

On the male end, it's a dominant thing, as well as gynophagia, and occasionally sadism.

If, hypothetically, as this is a public forum, someone were to engage in this, generally the NORM is that it is a consensual act. The Dom (guy doing the killing/eating) generally ponies up a considerable amount of cash. The chick blows it, doing the whole last month alive thing. She's constantly accompanied, however, by a girl, usually another slave of this Dom, or of a friend's. At the end of the month, the preps are made - contracts are signed. Usually, they get married at the JOP. Not for the marriage, but to make it easier afterwards. The trio (minimum) would then set sail on a large ish ship, heading for international waters. The one to be consumed is given flushing cleanses and enemas, completely shaved (sometimes hair on the head is left) and then fed what basically amounts to a marinade.

If the girl is to be hung and then cooked, she's usually hung in such a manner that it is all asphyx and no neck breakage. Leaving no visible ligature marks is usually possible and preffered. If she's to be spitted alive then that's a different story. You can't give the girl painkillers, it taints the taste of the meat. The answer is to use a probe with a razor sharp retractable blade attatched to the spit. You press the spit into her vagina, then as it encounters resistance, a sliding lever lets you expose the blade at the end. With proper alignment and knowledge of the anatomy you can do this without extreme discomfort to the girl. She'll lose consciousness gently as you put pressure on her trachea. You hold it there til she blacks out and then slide it the rest of the way through. If she loses control of her bodily functions you clean her up and sanitize. You tie her to the spit and there you go.

Usually, it takes about six hours to roast a girl of average size. Unfortunately for most gynophagiacs, the most sought after "fetish" parts (such as the vaginal filet and the breast steak) are entirely unappetizing. Connective tissue is not a good cut of meat. Usually the rump is consumed, or the thighs. The rest is butchered and frozen.

Once home, the gentleman annuls his marriage on the basis that she ran off. A missing person's report is filed. This is the riskiest part, but, not too bad, if proper precautions were taken (the girl writing a fake diary, leaving a note, love letters from a man asking her to run away with him, etc.)

She can be declared dead legally after X years (depending on where you are at) but usually a death certificate de facto can be given out to aid with "closure".

Family/friends are generally null in this instance. These girls don't come from the healthiest of homes.

Anyhow, now maybe I'll quit getting the "How do you" or the "You can't...." emails.

Jenny
06-13-2007, 12:20 PM
I think the reason some people doubt this is because of these apparent photos of smiling girls signing contracts and then photos of their obits. Like I said - it is illegal. And it's a pretty serious crime. Not like a forum of people saying "And then... I crossed the street against the lights!" Like, it's something that people would go out of their way to prosecute.

I don't think any of us doubt that people have and can successfully murder people. I mean, we all know that murders are committed, and sometimes grotesque acts are performed on people. What we doubt is that people are happily scampering about sharing these stories in a public and traceable way.

cameron_keys
06-13-2007, 12:21 PM
wow....just....wow.....I cant say anything people do really shocks me anymore...but this is amazing. And in a creepy way...morbidly fascinating. I can only imagine what a psychological profile of these people would turn up...

TheSexKitten
06-13-2007, 01:41 PM
What we doubt is that people are happily scampering about sharing these stories in a public and traceable way.

With very good reason!

As far as I read, no one was very willing to talk about any "real life" stories, but in one of the threads there's a few posts that make you wonder... :-X

cherry_sin
06-13-2007, 02:49 PM
Thus the reason he no longer keeps his website up.

Anyways, can happen, does happen, more than you would think, is the point of the last two pages.

shirtystrumpet
06-13-2007, 09:24 PM
Thanks for explaining it so well, that's really interesting.
Yeah, I'd imagine that women wouldn't taste so good. As I understand it, most meat animals are slaughtered really young, while the meat's still soft. I'd imagine that I'd be quite... tough.

FrustratedBunny
06-14-2007, 10:18 PM
You press the spit into her vagina, then as it encounters resistance, a sliding lever lets you expose the blade at the end. With proper alignment and knowledge of the anatomy you can do this without extreme discomfort to the girl.

This sounds a lot like the endimetrial biopsy and the IUD insertion I've gone through, only they didn't kill me. They were, however, the MOST PAINFUL things I have EVER experienced in my life.