View Full Version : In praise of the Uncut
StevieStar7
06-19-2007, 10:35 PM
Whoever said that foreskin makes a BJ harder must not be doing it right. You're supposed to pull the skin back.
...in my experience, when a man gets hard, the foreskin pulls it's self back. So you must not being doing it right....;)
Lysondra
06-19-2007, 10:37 PM
^ uhh depends on the amount of foreskin - some guys pull all the way back erect and some don't. My partner has a bit 'extra' and it doesn't retract all the way. Either I pull it back or I'm a total bitch tease and just suck on that part so he gets all bothered and whimpers for it underneathe. :P
StevieStar7
06-19-2007, 11:28 PM
^^^I know;) that's why I said in "my experience"...it's just I've never experienced any "extra" skin...that's what i meant:)
LilSweetVixen
06-20-2007, 03:13 PM
I'm not a huge fan of uncut dicks. I like the "pain" element of the cut ones.}:D
Heaven777
06-22-2007, 07:38 PM
I haven't been with an uncircumsised one before...but I would! :) I don't find either a problem...
Any penis I go near needs grooming and care. ;)
nicole84
06-24-2007, 07:16 AM
I also was raised Jewish, but will refrain from getting into the whole Bris discussion because I have done it before and learned that once someones mind is made up, that's the end of it.
However, as to preferences....I've been with cut and uncut, both clean. I 100% prefer uncut, to the point that yes, I would turn down the uncut. I hate giving a blowjob to a guy with an uncut one, i just hate how it feel in my mouth. I also don't like how it looks, or how it feels during sex.
missjzone
05-30-2008, 07:34 PM
In response to the supposed Jewish custom of sucking blood off of a newly cut baby, that just doesn't make any sense. One of the laws of Judaism is to never, ever consume blood. It's even in the Noahide laws. And if you are rocking the Christian thing, in the New Testament, in the book of Acts not eating blood is mentioned too.
sorry to inform it is entirely true...the state of NY is actually moving against this act again after getting stalemated by religious forces in 06'. It was on the local news yesterday.
"But now, with the election over, the city's Health Department, while not banning the procedure, is angering those Hasidic leaders just the same by pushing a public health campaign against the rite, in which the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the circumcision wound to clean it. The department took the action after linking the rite to additional cases of herpes in infants, one of whom suffered brain damage as a result."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/06/nyregion/06rite.html
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 07:38 PM
That's so freaking weird considering one of the main components of being Jewish is never consuming blood. That's pretty much a MAJOR part of being kosher.
scarlett_vancouver
05-30-2008, 07:53 PM
contradictions in religion? no! ;D
I prefer uncut, but I'll take any dick that's attached to a boy I like.
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 07:59 PM
The Jews are farely careful of making sure their actions aren't contradictory. They have a whole legion of them devoted entirely to making sure everything is translated correctly and followed properly.
Jenny
05-30-2008, 08:07 PM
And jewish scholars have never disagreed with each other, so everything is perfectly cohesive.
I have only been with 2 men in my life. One was uncut, and the other cut. (I know, I am a loser)
I have to say both felt damn good.
I like the penis... no matter how it looks.
As long as its clean and doesnt smell... Put it in damnit! :pickle: :butthead:
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 08:14 PM
And jewish scholars have never disagreed with each other, so everything is perfectly cohesive.
:P
Yeah but the blood thing is fairly concrete. I mean, it's a major major major part of being kosher. Kosher cows have to be killed a certain way just so the bloo doesn't contaminate it and everything.
I say some sick Jews were just being cocky child molestors. :/ 'cause there's absolutely no religious reason for this.
XxAmber89xX
05-30-2008, 10:12 PM
I just don't like seeing cheese on the uncut. eww! too much gathers in there.
missjzone
05-30-2008, 10:35 PM
The Jews are farely careful of making sure their actions aren't contradictory. They have a whole legion of them devoted entirely to making sure everything is translated correctly and followed properly.
gosh i wish religion was not often full of contradictions!/:O the ultimate contradiction in male circumcision is that these ultra religious folks never stop to wonder if G-O-D is all knowing and all powerful why would he create the human penis in a way for us to then mutilate it?::) You would think that this omnipotent G-O-D would know what he's doing the first time.
The sucking of the blood is called Mezizah and is a traditional aspect of the jewish circumcision rite that has seen a growing resurgence recently...
VegasPrincess
05-30-2008, 11:02 PM
I've got nothing to offer about religous stuff here, but personally, uncut is the way to go IMHO. I just think it's a barbaric custom to chop off part of somebody's winky....
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 11:11 PM
gosh i wish religion was not often full of contradictions!/:O the ultimate contradiction in male circumcision is that these ultra religious folks never stop to wonder if G-O-D is all knowing and all powerful why would he create the human penis in a way for us to then mutilate it?::) You would think that this omnipotent G-O-D would know what he's doing the first time.
The sucking of the blood is called Mezizah and is a traditional aspect of the jewish circumcision rite that has seen a growing resurgence recently...
Can you not roll your eyes at my beliefs? Thanks. Being polite is the best way to get your point across.
missjzone
05-30-2008, 11:31 PM
there's no malice in my post..nor is it directed towards yours or anyone else's specific religious beliefs..
I got point my across== religion is often full of contradictions
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 11:33 PM
I saw malice in the eye rolling icon, forgive me.
Religion is definitely full of contradictions. It just seems this is kinda a really big one so I'll have to look into it.
I personally don't like circumcision AND am a converting Jew, so hey...
missjzone
05-30-2008, 11:40 PM
you are converting to which faith from Judaism?
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 11:43 PM
Atheism.
Nonono wait.
haha.
I'm converting FROM Atheism TO Judaism.
missjzone
05-30-2008, 11:57 PM
interesting.ok. enough thread jacking. back to biz. I prefer uncut cock...
loveandluxury
05-31-2008, 01:04 PM
Lys, I didn't know you were an Atheist. Sorry for the threadjack, but what made you convert to Judaism? PM me if you want, I'm just super curious! I'm an atheist personally, but I'm not going to flame you or say anything rude to you.. to each his own, I'm just curious about your story :)
ETA: I'll take my penis cut, please.
Lysondra
05-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Love: I made a whole thread on it when I decided to convert. I decided finally I am not atheist but agnostic. So I'm an agnostic Jew currently converting Orthodox, feeling Reform Judaism - if that makes any sense. I'm converting Orthodox so I can marry a good Jewish boy if the occasion arises. I decided to convert based on an episode of House. Seriously. (That's not what started it, that's what made the decision final. But it's funny to say. House made me jewish)
loveandluxury
05-31-2008, 01:13 PM
^ Very cool story, and good for you for finding what you believe (or don't believe in). I wish everybody was truly able to do that! I'm about to take a shower, but I'll definetely try to hunt down that thread when I get out :)
Lysondra
05-31-2008, 01:14 PM
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109952&highlight=jewish
Here ya go. This was before I decided I was agnostic.
loveandluxury
05-31-2008, 02:05 PM
Awesome, thanks Lys! :)
MixedBabe88
05-31-2008, 03:24 PM
I think a lot of the "anti-foreskin" crowd's thinking comes from ignorance and/or limited experience (with unclean guys). They are making an incorrect logical jump to think uncircumcized=unclean/ugly. They just happened to have been with 1 or more guys who were either unclean or had less "pretty" peens...and they base all their thoughts about cut/intact on that limited experience.
Personally, I think circumcision is unbelieveably stupid. Men are MEANT to have foreskin, that's why they are BORN WITH IT!
How could you possibly hate nature's perfect design? If you don't like uncircumsized penii, it's not nature that's the problem, it's you!
I think circumcized penii look weird...scarred and unnatural. :( Don't hurt the penis! It's fine just how it is without modification. Just like the vagina!
I don't exactly disagree with you, but uh, your arguement would be like saying "WHY DO WOMEN SHAVE? The hair is there for a REASON"!
It's a new day and age, we really don't need a lot of body features we once did to protect them.
Paris
05-31-2008, 04:20 PM
I've never been with an uncut man, but recently I've been curious. I doubt I'll ever get the chance (being married and all;) ) but it has got me thinking what it would be like to be with an uncut hottie.
Jenny
05-31-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't exactly disagree with you, but uh, your arguement would be like saying "WHY DO WOMEN SHAVE? The hair is there for a REASON"!
It's a new day and age, we really don't need a lot of body features we once did to protect them.
But there is kind of a big difference between shaving your hair off and cutting a piece off of your baby. That's sort of like comparing having a manicure to having your fingernails pulled out.
J_Lynne
06-01-2008, 01:40 AM
My boyfriend grew up in Iran. His parents had him "cut" when he was 13!
He says it was the worst day of his life.
And here's the kicker, his parents told him he was going to get his haircut! They took him to the freaking barber, held him down and cut away. After his "haircut" was finished, the barber was like, "Go ahead and take a look." He cried for a week straight. Afterwards, his parents had a party.
Apparently, anyone over there can perform a circumcision. How barbaric is that? It's one thing to circumcise an infant, but a teenage boy? :O
VenusGoddess
06-01-2008, 03:57 AM
I don't exactly disagree with you, but uh, your arguement would be like saying "WHY DO WOMEN SHAVE? The hair is there for a REASON"!
It's a new day and age, we really don't need a lot of body features we once did to protect them.
Well, then your body would naturally begin to phase out what was not needed. As cavemen full of hair...you rarely see that anymore...
Removing something because you think you do not need it should be a personal decision done by the person who has to live with that body.
What say you to female circumcision? I'm quite sure you wouldn't be too thrilled to be missing that part of your body because your parents felt that "it's a new day and age and you don't really need that body feature."
Nina77
06-02-2008, 04:37 PM
I didn't even know my boyfriend wasn't circumcised till like the 5th time we had sex LOL.
All I know is it's beautiful and tasty, and feels SOOO GOOD! LOL
Yekhefah
06-02-2008, 04:47 PM
It's one thing to circumcise an infant, but a teenage boy? :O
Muslims do that. They circumcise at 13, and that's when the boy becomes a man in their culture. I agree that it's incredibly barbaric. At least an eight-day-old baby doesn't have fully developed nerves and won't remember it, and he heals more quickly because of increased vitamin K levels. I couldn't imagine doing that to a pubescent kid with a growing penis.
Nini Nieb
06-02-2008, 04:48 PM
But there is kind of a big difference between shaving your hair off and cutting a piece off of your baby. That's sort of like comparing having a manicure to having your fingernails pulled out.
I like your metaphor !! More correctly though ...
Actually you are pulling someone else's fingernails out ...
Two words ... IT IS DISGUSTING !!!
Lysondra
06-02-2008, 06:02 PM
Lol, that's three. :P
Nini Nieb
06-03-2008, 01:25 AM
Lol, that's three. :P
There is three kind of people !! Some people can count and some people don't ... :D
RebeccaSolidarity
06-03-2008, 04:55 AM
And one doesn't have to be a doctor to perform the operation. Think about that?
Eh.
It is an easy procedure. Flesh removal of any kind is not as surgically complicated as you might think and not everything requires a medical doctor. We do it in the body mod community all the time, and do similar things in the sideshow community. All you need to know is how to keep your tools and the site clean and sterile, and how to provide a sterile bandage. None of that is information that one must attend medical school for. Kinda just sayin is all.
Mmmmm.
Aubreyyy
06-03-2008, 05:47 AM
My boy is uncut. I had never come across a foreskin until him, and I remember saying that I would never hook up with an uncircumsized guy before I met him and being really grossed out by it.
Now, I'd never go back. It keeps his head all nice and soft and shiny... He's never had any cleaniness issues, but I know he always washes it well when we're showering together. He also shaves, so he is actually cleaner than most guys I've come across. I'd much rather have my bf's smoothey smoothe dick in my mouth than any circumsized one now.
jasmine
06-03-2008, 06:54 AM
I don't know how to multiquote, so bear with me here.
Saying there is no point in discussing this once somones mind is made up is completely innacurate. My hubby and I had decided on circumcision (I was on the fence, he was really certain) until he went to the nursery after 1st son was born. There were 2 babies there that were screaming non-stop and when he ask the nurse what was wrong she said they were both cut the day before and most scream for 2 or 3 days. He came busting in the recovery room to tell me to get the Dr and make sure they didn't do that to our son....This should also address the pain issue.
There should be no "cheese" anywhere on an uncut penis. They just have to pull the foreskin back and wash to maintain good hygene. This actually sounds more like a yeast infection which can happen to men, cut or uncut.
As for the medically relevant arguement, it very minutely lowers the transfer of sexually transmitted diseases, but estimates of complications such as infections range from 20% to about 40%, depending on if you go with a Dr's stats from records or a study. Studies tend to be lower which according to my Dr is because many hospitals, esp religious ones don't report most minor infections in order to support their own views. --- This was from a VERY pro-circ Dr. His honesty was amazing.
I have a family member whose son lost about half his penis during a botched circ. It is missing a large chunk out of the side and about 1/3 of the length had to be removed later because the side slice destroyed the necessary supporting blood vessels. A friend of ours also had a child that lost a much smaller amount of tissue during a circ. I also discussed this with everyone I knew after stopping the circ in the hospital, because we had considered having it done later. Almost everyone I spoke to had to deal with infection to some degree.
After having done 2 years of research I have no clue why this process is still legal (on infants). The complications are WAY under-reported.
As you may notice, I was previously on the fence, but leaning toward pro-circ. (Although I always thought it was majorly fucked up for me to make a decision to remove a part of my son's body before he was old enough to make a decision. After all the foreskin is not just skin, I believe it is considered an organ.) Now, after years of research I am definitely anti-circ. I beg you, do your own research and don't believe any stats you see. Dig, dig, dig and you will find some scary truths. I did.
LilyLove
06-03-2008, 01:55 PM
I thought I posted in this thread before, but I guess not. I've been with one uncircumcised guy and the sex did feel really good, but one time I decided to give him head and it smelled really bad. I was definitely not interested in sleeping with him after that.
Its too bad because the sensation during intercourse was sooo nice. Really natural feeling, like that's how it should be or something. Definitely cut down on post-rough sex chafing.
Also, my boyfriend right now was circumcised and they messed it up a little bit. Its not even, you can actually see on it where they fucked it up. I still :heartbeat: his cock though, it makes no difference at all for me but I feel bad for him because he used to be really insecure about it.
Glamgirl
06-04-2008, 01:18 AM
From what ive found here in the UK uncut is the norm, its kinda exotic if you find an uncircumsized penis. I have been with one guy who was cut and from what i recall the it didnt really feel much different. But as others have said,im very big on personal hygiene and if its not smelling good i wont go near it.
Havana
06-04-2008, 01:48 AM
As far as the people claiming that circumsizing infant boys is "mutilation" & "horrific." How many of you are actually mothers? And to those that are, shame on you for throwing your half-biased opinions around to other could-be mothers, when as a mother you know that motherhood is based on tough decisions to be made for your child/children, for the rest of their lives?
My son is circumsized, & was so at 1 day old. There were no complications with the surgery & never have been any since. Was he "lucky?" No, the facts & figures that have been thrown out in this thread are rarities & extremes. And rarities & extremes can happen no matter what a situation.
In making my decision, I asked the doctors, researched online and I asked adult males that I felt comfortable discussing the issue with; my son's father (then boyfriend,) step-dad, brother-in-law & a good friend.
While they all had different opinions & "stories" yes, I did endure some descriptive stores, in the end... my research & discussion with friends/family steered my decision towards "cutting" my son, as many of you would put it.
Honestly, I could go on the other end of the spectrum and tell you all how some of my friends baby boys weren't cut & ended up with nasty infection and ended having to get it done anyway when they were 4 or 5.
Or I could go into how my God son was "intact" but had unusally large for skin that'd get caught in his zippers, causing him much uneeded pain & agony.
But I'm not going too.
This is about ADULT males being circumcized, not the decision that their mother's made. Being a mother is hard enough with out the trivial judgment on such a personal issue.
>:(
pookie
06-04-2008, 03:25 AM
I :heartbeat foreskin. Its fun to play wif!
Jenny
06-04-2008, 05:16 AM
As far as the people claiming that circumsizing infant boys is "mutilation" & "horrific." How many of you are actually mothers?
You know what? I kind of object to the idea that only a mother gets to be concerned about human rights. I don't have to be a mother to feel that holding your child's ear to an oven is wrong; I don't have to be a mother to feel that slicing off your daughter's clitoris is wrong; I don't have to be a mother to feel that punching your child in the face is wrong and I don't have to be a mother to feel that cutting off a piece of your son's genitals is wrong either. If the fact that one is a parent gave one exclusive jurisdiction to determine what behaviour was abusive or wrong - well, probably very few parents would find themselves to be so. I think the religious issue is a very live one (although, as I said, very few procedures are done on religious grounds), but the argument that nobody should be concerned about a human rights issue because it is the "personal decision of a mother"? Does not seem very sound to me.
jaizaine
06-04-2008, 05:32 AM
I just remember something unfortunately an ex of mine had really long foreskin! It felt good for sex but made me feel physically sick when giving him head. I usually love giving head but I really, really didn't enjoy it on him. The foreskin was just sooooooooo long and when I sucked it, it always had moisture under it. It wasn't pleasant. But a smaller amount of foreskin is alright.
jasmine
06-04-2008, 05:57 AM
Actually, Havanna, I am a mother and I don't appreciate it being said my facts and statistics are "rarities and extremes". I have nearly 8 yrs of higher education and was a research scientist for several years, so I think I can uncover accurate facts for myself. If you have a similar background I would love to hear about it and we can seriously debate.
I don't believe your son was lucky, I believe he fell into the 3/4 that have no serious complications. As for getting caught in the zipper being an arguement to circumcision that is an unusual opinion. My child has never been caught in his zipper, although his cut cousin has it happen a lot. The cousin also has zipped his stomach up many times (although his cut brother never seems to do either).
I think it is more dependent on the individual child than whether they have been circ'd or not (as is cleanliness, some guys are just much cleaner in general).
Oh, and if your friends child has an obviously too large foreskin, then a partial or complete circ may be in order to avoid issues such as these and to help with cleanliness.
As a final thought, I must agree with Jenny! It isn't only mothers that should be able to express a thought here. Lets face it, in a hundred or two hundred years this practice is most likely going to outlawed for those under the age of consent. It will cause a shitload of religous uproar, but so did banning female circ in most of the world and that has already started in many countries.
Try to recognize the right of others to disagree and you will find more people willing to listen to your point of view. Being open minded is also the only way to grow emotionally and mentally. Trying to look at all sides of an argument not only makes people more willing to listen, but it has changed my views on many things, this included.
PrettyCurlieQ
06-04-2008, 06:00 AM
My last boyfriend was uncircumcized and I didn't even notice until he brought it up. Of course, it was dark and I was tipsy. But I don't think it made a huge difference. He had this weird habit of rinsing off his thingy in the sink though after we had sex or whatever. And if we didn't use a condom, I would get infections sometimes. But it wasn't like moldy or anything.
Havana
06-04-2008, 11:40 AM
You know what? I kind of object to the idea that only a mother gets to be concerned about human rights. I don't have to be a mother to feel that holding your child's ear to an oven is wrong; I don't have to be a mother to feel that slicing off your daughter's clitoris is wrong; I don't have to be a mother to feel that punching your child in the face is wrong and I don't have to be a mother to feel that cutting off a piece of your son's genitals is wrong either. If the fact that one is a parent gave one exclusive jurisdiction to determine what behaviour was abusive or wrong - well, probably very few parents would find themselves to be so. I think the religious issue is a very live one (although, as I said, very few procedures are done on religious grounds), but the argument that nobody should be concerned about a human rights issue because it is the "personal decision of a mother"? Does not seem very sound to me.
& I kind of object to the idea that you're comparing a healthy circumsion to volatile & sickening child abuse. Really? Circumsion is just as masochistic as monster who burns her child on a stove? Punches him in the face? Hell, so all parents who have their son circumsized are in theory, Andrea Yates?
Circumsion in the U.S. is common practice, & to undermind the mother's who have made this decision in an informative, safe setting... it's outreagous.
& No, I don't think that mothers are the only people in this world that should be concerend with a child's welfare. I am compassionate to the fact that even the coldest of hearts have been kindled by children. & I respect anyone who doesn't have children who has the heart and selflessness to concern themselves with children, regardless the issue, even this one.
What I was trying to relay is that to the mothers who were passing judgement, to try and engage in a tad bit more understanding, especially knowing all the types of decisions mothers have to face.
Try to recognize the right of others to disagree and you will find more people willing to listen to your point of view. Being open minded is also the only way to grow emotionally and mentally. Trying to look at all sides of an argument not only makes people more willing to listen, but it has changed my views on many things, this included.
& Jasmine, you have me beat by a good three years on the higher education, although I am still in school, so you may have a bit more amo in your repertoire. & I wasn't looking for a debate, simply because, I don't view either side as right or wrong... I am neutral. It was the comparisons to child abuse & implying that parents who make the decision to circumsize are "bad."
While you're on the crusade to get the message across that male circumsion is wrong, am not on a crusade to manifest an idea that all boys should be circumsized. Not at all.
I made an informed, healthy and safe decision for my son. Forgive me for saying your facts are "rarities & extremes," but in the U.S. they are. It is also uncommon for a young boy in this country to have complications if he's uncircumsized, but it does happen... with sad & painful outcomes. But, in no way does that imply that I'd look down on you for having your son uncircumsized. You're an educated & informed woman, who I'm sure is learning new things everyday about motherhood, a mother who knows what is safe for her son, & how to keep him healthy, as am I.
& as far as embracing & recognizing everybody's opinion with dignity & grace... I'm all for that. Not, however, when bias judgment is being passed on good mothers! I'm not for or against male circumsion, I believe it is up to the parents and respect & support all safe & healthy decisions. I simply believe that a disagreement should be made sans judgement and ridiculous comparisons to child abuse.
Havana
06-04-2008, 11:59 AM
Actually, Havanna, I am a mother...
Oh, I just assumed you're a mother to a boy. Sorry if I'm wrong. =)