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flickad
06-12-2007, 12:16 AM
have you ever had withdrawals from a drug?
its kind of hard not to complain that you feel like shit.
especially a drug like heroine, it probably feels like you're going to die.
It does feel like you're going to die. Withdrawal from any opiate or opioid painkiller is actually a physically painful process, which is one of the things that make it so hard for addicts to stop using opiates. Severe addicts can even have epileptic-type fits while in withdrawal. Heroin detoxification is more like a case of Malaria than a bad flu. With those kinds of symptoms, it's natural that people who are detoxing complain, even though it's a situation they put themselves in (except in the case of medical addicts- prescribed morphine and suchlike).
That's why we have detox units, methadone and drugs to ease withdrawal. If drug withdrawal was a walk in the park, none of it would be needed.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trust the vast majority of junkies as far as I could throw them (for obvious reasons: desperation and ethics generally don't mix). But I don't think that cleaning up is an easy job, and I take my hat off to those who do it.
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 12:24 AM
I agree Katrine, Im really glad I have heard all your opinions on the matter and that I have learned something. I really had no idea that getting off a drug was physically painful or that you could have seizures and die.
At my local pharmacy they have a methadone program. What happens if someone who is taking methadone takes heroin?
Every time I hear vicodin it reminds me of House.
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 12:28 AM
They're in Maryland. A friend of mine knows their family. The situation with those two girls is beyond fucked.
Did the Dr Phil program help the girls? Only 2 episodes of the 3 have aired here in Australia so I'm waiting to see if it worked.
pinkpvc
06-12-2007, 12:29 AM
"I have been taking anti-depressants since I was 14. I dont know where I'd be without them. Self-medicating (ie drug use) vs prescription - there really isn't a huge difference except legally. So I will have a nice cup of STFU myself I think "
i hear you. it's only been in the past week that i've realised i'm addicted to my anti depressants. My doc has tried to take me off them twice now and each time i kicked up a fuss crying and yelling and having panic attacks, and thats for a drug that has no withdrawal symptoms! i can imagine if someone was watching me on TV they'd tell me to STFU.
it's so easy to get addicted to a drug that isn't supposed to be addictive, i can't imagine what it would be like with addictive drugs, so i don't try them.
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 12:34 AM
If I only knew back then that I would be on them still at 27!!
What really sucks is that I got taken to a psychiatrist at 14 and put straight onto them. What did I know back then? I believed that I should do whatever the doctor said to make me better. Little did I know I would come to rely so heavily on the damn things.
While I think anti-depressants are useful, I definately tell people who are contemplating taking them to try to make it a short term thing.
Every time I come off them I last for about 4-6 months and then something happens and I go back on them.
flickad
06-12-2007, 12:37 AM
I'm a recovering addict and a good, kind, intelligent person, at least I honestly hope so. It just happens sometimes. Some people just can't handle recreational use, or moderate drinking. As far as heroin addicts, the stuff causes an intense physical addiction. Withdrawals can actually KILL you. So can withdrawals from alcohol abuse and certain prescriptions meds such as xanax.
Just want to make a minor correction here. Heroin withdrawal is never fatal (though rapid detox with naltrexone can be, because it condenses and intensifies the withdrawal). However, you are right in saying that benzodiazapene and alcohol withdrawal can be fatal.
flickad
06-12-2007, 12:47 AM
I agree Katrine, Im really glad I have heard all your opinions on the matter and that I have learned something. I really had no idea that getting off a drug was physically painful or that you could have seizures and die.
At my local pharmacy they have a methadone program. What happens if someone who is taking methadone takes heroin?
Every time I hear vicodin it reminds me of House.
Methadone is a synthetic opiate and as such causes no adverse reaction when heroin is chucked into the mix. However, because the opiate receptors are already flooded by the methadone, the user will experience a vastly reduced high is they use heroin whilst on the methadone program. Buprenorphine is different again, since it contains an opiate blocker. The use of other opiates whilst on buprenorphine is not only a fairly fruitless exercise but will (I think, from memory- I read this quite this some time ago) send the user into precipitated withdrawal.
LilyLove
06-12-2007, 01:03 AM
There was a girl I worked with that was going through methadone treatment. I'm not sure how she was making it, working as much as she was with all of the pain she was going through, but I really learned a lot from her. She not only taught me pole tricks and hustle moves, but how to live through hardship. She complained all the time about what she was going through, and I never blamed her for it. I couldn't (and still can't) even imagine how she was feeling.
And to think, I'm still stuck with my own petty stupid addiction.
Think about how much people complain when they're trying to quit smoking. And nicotine is a freaking legal drug!
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 01:19 AM
Damn Flickad u r seriously a walking encylopedia!!!!
Thats a really good point Lilylove about nicotine. Actually it applies to everything. On the biggest loser there was a lot of complaining too, damn I'd complain if I had to exercise to that extreme too.
LilyLove
06-12-2007, 01:25 AM
^ heh, its true... I think human beings are just conditioned to whine... or whinge? Is that what you Aussies say? How do you go about pronouncing that?
But anyway, I'm PMS right now and I'm literally tearing up for cheese pizza.... so addicts can complain all they want in my book.
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 01:26 AM
Yeh we say whinge? Is it an aussie thing? dont u guys say whinge? hehe I didnt know it was aussie.
Lysondra
06-12-2007, 01:29 AM
^ heh, its true... I think human beings are just conditioned to whine... or whinge? Is that what you Aussies say? How do you go about pronouncing that?
But anyway, I'm PMS right now and I'm literally tearing up for cheese pizza.... so addicts can complain all they want in my book.
The i is long, unlike whine. It's winj.
Lysondra
06-12-2007, 01:29 AM
Yeh we say whinge? Is it an aussie thing? dont u guys say whinge? hehe I didnt know it was aussie.
Yup it's an Aussie thing. I picked it up. Americans say whine.
flickad
06-12-2007, 01:31 AM
Damn Flickad u r seriously a walking encylopedia!!!!
Thats a really good point Lilylove about nicotine. Actually it applies to everything. On the biggest loser there was a lot of complaining too, damn I'd complain if I had to exercise to that extreme too.
Yeah, it's rather sad. I periodically develop odd obsessions and then go about researching them. I spent Christmas Day talking about autism (after a period of researching it) while at a family friend's house, and I don't even know anyone who's autistic.
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 01:36 AM
No it's not sad its awesome. You are one of those people who when other's need to know something they think oh I'll ask her.
I have done it myself and PM'ed you some q's hehehe.
You have answered them comprehensively.
My cousin's son is autistic. It took a while to work it out (until he was about 4). They suspected that something was wrong when he was slow to talk. It's such a sad illness. He is really good on the computer though. It must be heartbreaking for a parent not to be able to communicate with their child. My cousin lives in QLD so I dont see a lot of her.
Lysondra
06-12-2007, 01:37 AM
Yeah, it's rather sad. I periodically develop odd obsessions and then go about researching them. I spent Christmas Day talking about autism (after a period of researching it) while at a family friend's house, and I don't even know anyone who's autistic.
Good! Because if Michael comes with me to Melbourne (he's deciding) you'll have to know how to deal with it. :P he can be pretty strange if you don't know what's up, otherwise he manages pretty well.
LilyLove
06-12-2007, 01:37 AM
Yup it's an Aussie thing. I picked it up. Americans say whine.
Ahhh I get it now. I like it. I love interacting with people from other nations since the U.S. tends to be so limited as far as learning about that stuff goes. I feel lucky to have learned the Spanish that I did.
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 01:43 AM
Good! Because if Michael comes with me to Melbourne (he's deciding) you'll have to know how to deal with it. :P he can be pretty strange if you don't know what's up, otherwise he manages pretty well.
From memory Michael has aspergers yeh? Is that a type of autism? I actually thought they were separate illnesses.
exotisch23
06-12-2007, 01:44 AM
I absolutely despise drug addicts but I know it's gotta be fuckin hard getting sober. Kudos to them for sticking it out and trying to get clean.
I've never had a drug problem (just x back in my partying days) so i can't relate.
Lysondra
06-12-2007, 01:47 AM
From memory Michael has aspergers yeh? Is that a type of autism? I actually thought they were separate illnesses.
Nope, it's a type of autism. :)
jaizaine
06-12-2007, 01:49 AM
Oh cool. Do u watch Boston Legal? There is a character on it with aspergers, I really like him.
flickad
06-12-2007, 01:51 AM
Good! Because if Michael comes with me to Melbourne (he's deciding) you'll have to know how to deal with it. :P he can be pretty strange if you don't know what's up, otherwise he manages pretty well.
I've never actually met someone with Asperger's (to my knowledge), but late last year my two great obsessions were autism and intersex. Maybe I should brush up on the first one again after my exams ;P.
aussiepunkshocker
06-12-2007, 05:58 AM
I dont know if you know much about heroin, but are you aware that many users consider its effect to be THE best feeling in the world? Its when the effect wears off that things feel awful, thats part of the reason its so hard to give it up.
I would imagine having to withdraw from heroin and crack would be a mighty tough call to say the least - ones and upper, ones a downer. The physical withdrawals from heroin and the mental withdrawals from crack alone would make anyone fairly unbearable to be around, let lone the rest!
Its one thing for someone to say they want to give up a drug addiction, but thats just part of the journey. The fact that its so painful means that people have got to be very determined and strong to keep it up. Quite frankly many people just arent strong enough - especially on the first attempt.
I have known alot of heroin / opiate addicts over the years, its a very hard drug to stay off also. Ive seen people who are doing really well for themselves loose everything almost overnight with that drug. Its very sad, I know way more dead heroin addicts than ex ones.
Keep in mind also that its tv and the show is made to attract ratings. Shows are edited in ways to draw people in, they may not portray people as they are in real life. Also the girl/s may not have really been ready to get off of the drugs but pushed into it by friends and family and Dr Phil - which is not likely to be successful if thats the case. :)
I might get flamed for this but anyway here it goes.
I am watching Dr Phil, it's an update on those twin sisters who are addicted to heroin and crack. They are detoxicing this bitch and all she is doing is complaining about feeling like shit and yelling at everyone.
Man this is pissing me off. She is lucky that anyone actually wants to help her. She got herself into this shit. I cant believe she is complaining about feeling sick, what about how shit she felt when she was on heroin?
This girl is just an effin write-off.
I mean it doesnt even seem like she wants help.
teeth_of_the_hydra
06-12-2007, 07:44 AM
Umm... I was going to write a long and introspective post explaining how this thread made me cry a little bit but I'm too overcome to compose anything that makes sense.
I just want to send all you girls who have had to struggle with addiction a huge hug and seven or eight hundred bushels of love-respect-awe-proudness-and-strength. You guys are an inspiration.
zxcire
06-12-2007, 02:51 PM
Heroin is largely considered to be the most difficult drug to quit in terms of withdrawal. It's right up there with cigarettes. But withdrawal from methadone, which is used to ease withdrawal from heroin, is a lot worse. It can last up to six weeks, as opposed to 4-6 days of acute withdrawal from heroin.
My husband is a recovering heroin addict. He has almost 3 years clean from heroin and been off methadone for a year and a half. I didn't know my husband when he was on heroin, but watching the SIX MONTH taper off of methadone was incredibly enlightening. And scary. Most people don't stop methadone treatment. Doctors will prescribe it for the rest of an addicts life. It's called maintenance therapy, and the reason is that methadone withdrawal is so hard and drawn out and painful that most addicts can't go through with it.
I am also a recovering addict and give props to all the ladies on here who are in the same boat. I have almost 3 years sober and it gets easier, but it's still a battle.
aussiepunkshocker
06-12-2007, 02:58 PM
^^^Methadone is something like 40 times as addictive as heroin and the withdrawal can last alot longer than 6 weeks. Your husbands done well!!!
One of my best friends has recently come off of it too - all drugs actually after 20 something years. He just jumped off of the methadone programme and so far hasnt looked back, its been a while now, Ive very proud of him! he just had his first cold since the 80's because hes got no drugs in his system supressing the symptons. I had to laugh when he told me, he sounded a bit excited about it.
Chrissy68
06-13-2007, 04:31 AM
im very glad as well that a probable trainwreck thread has put itself back on track.
Jaizaine, you took what was said in stride and like a woman. thank you for realizing you made a mistake, it takes a really brave, mature, and open-minded person to admit that.
as for you ladies who have struggled. im with TOTH. tons of hugs, love and compassion. keep it up! some of you, i had no idea about the struggle with addiction to drugs/alcohol and im glad you shared.
Andygirl
06-13-2007, 08:44 AM
There is a drug called Suboxone/Subutex that is used in helping opiate addicts go through withdrawal without any side effects. I used it to withdraw from heavy duty painkillers and it was amazing. I didn't feel one side effect while I was taking it.
Of course, that leaves you with the idea that you can still use and just take Suboxone when you run out, rather than quitting completely. That sounds crazy to a normal person, but any addict can relate to that kind of thinking.