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Hatshepsut
07-04-2007, 03:02 PM
This is kind of off topic, but why are people referring to drugs in quotation marks? They are real drugs, not "drugs".
Exactly. A drug is anything that alters anything in your body, from Prozac to Jack Daniels to China White heroin.

Tart
07-04-2007, 08:00 PM
I have a feeling this thread is taking a detour . I wish all new mothers to be well.

Sirona
07-05-2007, 05:20 AM
Yes, I have given birth 3 times. I was simply stating that if you have your mind made up to not have any types of "dugs" than you won't. If you are scared or worried then you will end up having a harder labor and birth. What you have your mind set to do, will make it easier to follow though with your plan.

I get what she's trying to say.

If you convince yourself you can do it without drugs, chances are you will.
Mom's that are really uptight and worry and have a lot of fear have a much tougher time during delivery.

I have to say though, I have an amazing threshold for pain and with my last the delivery was amazingly hard. She was a face presentation/sunny side up baby which is a relatively uncommon labor presentation (only about .4% of births/ by comparison breech births occur in 3-4%). Basically she came face up. It slows labor down and is far more painful. Add to it her size (9lbs) and it added up to 20 hours of crazy hard labor. (compared my 2nd delivery which was 6 hrs and a 10lb baby and my first which was 22 hours and a 9lb baby)

Yes. I did it drug free but hell if i'd pass judgement on someone in the same situation asking for pain medication. That shit hurts!

Everyone is different and just because I could do it doesn't mean someone else can. In the end it all about the individual experience and the overall health of the mom and baby.

StarrGrrrl
07-05-2007, 11:08 AM
^^^Yowza! I feel your pain sister.

I wanted to do everything natural.

..Then, I was induced 2 weeks early (Preeclampsia) and determined to do it drug free anyway. I just wanted my son to be aware after he was born.

Long story short... 30 hours later... I had to ask for something. mind you I hadn't slept for really two nights before being induced (which was not planned) either. So I was exhausted after 30 hours. I tried everything... hypno... the bath.. the ball.. walking... dancing... screaming... massages... So time it was for some Fentinol... It worked for an hour, and I passed out. I woke up in pain, and wanted more Fentinol, so they gave that to me while the anesthetist was on the way down with the epidural. 5 hours later I tried pushing... but my son was too freaking big, (9lbs 6oz... two weeks early) and his big ass melon was moulding to my pelvis, and not moving through, so another hour later I was in the OR having a c-section....:-\

THEN I was never able to nurse.. I never got milk at all. I tried all these crazy things to stimulate let down.. but it just wasn't there. I was even prescribed a medical breast pump... no such luck...:'(

I was so happy to have a big healthy boy anyway, and that kept me from getting too depressed... however post pardum depression is very real. After all of that (Not to mention I gained 100lbs, on my normally 100lb frame/:O ) It's hard not to be a little disapointed in the fact that NOTHING worked out naturally for us.

Besides c- section recovery is so uncomfortable, and unpleasant... especially when you can't get consistent rest... it just prolongs the healing process. I was lucky to have help, but I was still pretty bummed out.

I hate Tom Cruise... he's such an idiot. How the fuck would he know anything about childbirth, or post pardum depression/psychosis anyway. he's a dude. Someone should give him a big ass shot of Estrogen, and see if he doesn't go nuts... or lose his nutts}:D

StevieStar7
07-05-2007, 12:55 PM
I had all 3 of my babies in the hospital and wouldn't have done it any other way! I had epi's with the first 2, but my 3rd...there was no time! It hurt like HELL...I'd never give birth again without an Epi...I don't think there's any reason to be in that kinda of pain. Also, my Epi's weren't so strong that I couldn't feel my contractions when it came time to push.
But if you've never experienced having contractions and having to lay there in labor for hours while you cervix has to dilate to a 10...trust me, an Epi is the most wonderful thing you can do for yourself!!! There is no pain in the world like a contraction and they only get worse the more you dilate!!!
Fuck that shit!

VenusGoddess
07-05-2007, 07:23 PM
But if you've never experienced having contractions and having to lay there in labor for hours while you cervix has to dilate to a 10...trust me, an Epi is the most wonderful thing you can do for yourself!!! There is no pain in the world like a contraction and they only get worse the more you dilate!!!
Fuck that shit!

Actually, shattering all of my toes hurt more than my labor did.

For YOU it may have been bad...but I had a natural (no drugs/epis) even WITH pitocin induced labor...and I had a natural labor/delivery at home with no drugs.

It's different for different people...you have to make the choice that works best for you. But, I can think of a lot of things that are more painful than labor...and after labor all the pain goes away (maybe soreness remains...but not for long). Like I said...shattering my toes hurt more...especially since it took a long time to heal.

So, just because it was bad for you doesn't mean it will be bad for everyone else...and I'm sorry, but it's just wrong to tell a woman that she won't be able to stand the pain. Nothing pissed me off more than when I was preggers and having people tell me how horrible my labor would be. Nothing like scaring the crap out of some new mom. >:(

Tart
07-05-2007, 07:48 PM
I actually just know WHAT hurt not how much it hurt. As they say our brains sorta "Forget" painful things.

I know with mine having all back labor was just fucking awful. and super large babies on top of it..OUCH.

I'm glad with my 3rd I had the epi, otherwise Im not sure I would have been able to get him out. I was relaxed enough and not scared .. so the dr could get in there and use the forecepts. 15 in head and shoulders people. lol that's all I gotta say to that.

I didn't get the headache or any complications from the epi. I will say the aftermath of healing from such an extended cut down there was the fuck worst. But that can be expected if you have a large child.

I dont think any more or any less for peoples choices in delievery. I think people are too quick to throw in the holier than thou attitude if they are capable of doing it without assistance of an epi or spinal block. I'm not saying anyone is doing it on here, however I' caught hell from people that managed to do it without assistance. just pointing out that people should do what's best for THEM and the health and safe delivery of their unborn.

Ive broken bones and had my boobs done, I can safely say without doubt my labor was way more painful than that. Point is , the pain doesn't last forever. and the end result of labor is a beautiful thing.

AlexxaHex
07-05-2007, 07:59 PM
No offense, but aren't contractions supposed to hurt? Isn't that our body's way of telling us what to do? Despite the pain, I would feel like I'd be depriving myself of something if I numbed myself. I'm not a masochist or anything, but I really WANT to feel everything, to have the whole experience.

Lysondra
07-05-2007, 08:50 PM
No offense, but aren't contractions supposed to hurt? Isn't that our body's way of telling us what to do? Despite the pain, I would feel like I'd be depriving myself of something if I numbed myself. I'm not a masochist or anything, but I really WANT to feel everything, to have the whole experience.

I had a friend who said hers didn't hurt at all. She said she never believed it would hurt so it didn't. She didn't even scream or sweat during her childbirth. When she was having contractions, she went down the Apple Festival and bought a few pies before walking to the hospital to say 'my water broke about 6 hours ago... I brought pie!'

o.O

Tart
07-05-2007, 09:07 PM
No offense, but aren't contractions supposed to hurt? Isn't that our body's way of telling us what to do? Despite the pain, I would feel like I'd be depriving myself of something if I numbed myself. I'm not a masochist or anything, but I really WANT to feel everything, to have the whole experience.

Well of course they are. However, I figure I did it twice and for me it was too much pain.

I'm not going to get in some pissing match on my reasoning or butter it up.

I did it because personally I felt too exhausted and out of it to enjoy the birth or to actually work with the contractions rather than against them. With the epi I felt more apart of it, able to listen and follow directions of doctors and was alert to hold and touch my son.

My first was exhausting and after 4 hours of pushing wrong and in so much pain I just wasn't with it when it came time to hold him afterwards, not to mention I was so out of it to this day I can't recall his first cry. Which bothers me to no fucking end.

StevieStar7
07-05-2007, 11:01 PM
Actually, shattering all of my toes hurt more than my labor did.

For YOU it may have been bad...but I had a natural (no drugs/epis) even WITH pitocin induced labor...and I had a natural labor/delivery at home with no drugs.

It's different for different people...you have to make the choice that works best for you. But, I can think of a lot of things that are more painful than labor...and after labor all the pain goes away (maybe soreness remains...but not for long). Like I said...shattering my toes hurt more...especially since it took a long time to heal.

So, just because it was bad for you doesn't mean it will be bad for everyone else...and I'm sorry, but it's just wrong to tell a woman that she won't be able to stand the pain. Nothing pissed me off more than when I was preggers and having people tell me how horrible my labor would be. Nothing like scaring the crap out of some new mom. >:(

All I was doing was sharing my experience! I'm not even trying to scare the crap out of a new mom, but to say you don't feeling anything....

I completely agree that the experience is different for each individual! I personally do not like pain and have a low tolerance for it...the reason why, I was stating my experience.

I believe she asked, if you had kids, how did it go and what would you change? I simply stated my experiences with my 3 births.

I wouldn't have changed anything. I liked having my babies in the hospital...for me it was a matter of personal choice. I liked the fact that if there were any complications, I was already in a place that was prepared to deal with the situation at hand. Your taken care of and pampered for a couple of days. My mom's a nurse at the hospital where me and my babies were born. I don't like pain and if given the choice....I want the DRUGS!!!

I got my wish with the first 2 ( even though my second, I experienced back labor and there's no drugs on earth that can help with that pain lol), my 3rd...she came 2 wks early. The night of my Baby Shower. It was fun because my friend's sister who happened to be at the shower, is also a cop, so I had the popo driver me to the hospital (along with about 10 drunk friends!!!)

The hospital made me go home and told me not to come back till my contractions were 5 min apart and consistent! That never happened!!! I laid there all night long in horrible, excruciating pain. Finally, at about 11am...i said fuck it, let's go, I can't take this!!! We get to the hospital and I went from a 3 to an 8 in about 12 hours!!! Doc said, No Time for an Epi, you're ready to go!!!

So I didn't have a choice, no drugs for me! Yes, I survived, but it was HELL! Mine were also all vaginal births, btw.

So yes, maybe some girls pop out babies with little or no pain and play cards the whole way through! But there are those of us who have had painful birthing experiences and to say it's not so is ridiculous!!! We all have different stories, I was just sharing mine:)

AlexxaHex
07-06-2007, 03:59 AM
I'm not trying to get into a "pissing match" either and my comments weren't really directed entirely at you, Tart. Please don't take it personally. I am just sharing my thoughts and trying to understand why someone would willingly want (and pre-plan) to use drugs when they know the effects of what they do before really trusting their bodies to do the work. Like I said, I understand that sometimes it is necessary to use pain medication, but this is very rare. I think, just like you say that some people have a "holier than thou" attitude when it comes to non-medicating during a birth that some people have this "fuck it" attitude and that bothers me just as well.
Neither of us is going to change the other's opinion and I'm not even close to trying to. But I am going to say how I feel and you are just as entitled to do the same.


p.s. - I am sorry you had a bad experience - I hope all and/or any of your future births go more smoothly. The same goes to any woman here.

Sirona
07-06-2007, 04:51 AM
For some people labor is pretty pain free much in the same way some women don't get menstrual cramps. It's all in how easily you dialate (that's what cramps are by the way). Some women have a tough cervix that just fights dialation/effacement the whole way no matter how relaxed and ready they are for the labor delivery process.

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for the most natural birth possible! I just know it can really leave a women feeling like a failure if things don't work out that way...

and that my friends is a damn shame.

Hatshepsut
07-06-2007, 06:23 AM
Don't get me wrong, i'm all for the most natural birth possible! I just know it can really leave a women feeling like a failure if things don't work out that way...

and that my friends is a damn shame.

Amen. That's what I've been trying to say. Unfortunately, a lot of comments, even seemingly innocently ones like, "But you really won't need it if you put your mind to it," are little jabs.

It's a woman's choice, plain and simple. I do admit that women should be given more choices, but damned if anyone's going to tell her how she's going to give birth.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of women just want to get it over with. A lot of you educated women are interested in midwives and tub births, but some honestly don't care. I did my OBGYN rotation at a public hospital, and although women were educated about things like breastfeeding, Lamaze, natural birth, etc, they still used bottles and requested epidurals. Several of my OBGYN professors even admitted that a lot of the women just want to get it over with despite the options.

holiday
07-06-2007, 09:06 AM
I have the same attitude as Alexxa. I'm all about the experience. I wanted to go through the pain and own the whole experience. I also am more afraid of hospitals and pain killers than pain for some reason. I guess it's a control thing. But with this attitude I know I have to be careful to not be a bitch or come off as "holier than thou".

A difficult birth could happen to anyone, it could have happened to me and I could have ended up with drugs and a c-section and the hospital experience and everything.

I guess the only peeve I have is when women just aren't educated. And that is what Hatshepsut was saying, if you're educated and make the choice to birth a certain way than that is great. Whatever works for you. I just have been around SO many women who weren't educated about labor and have an idea that at the first contraction they need to check into the hospital and than they lay there forever and get exhausted and discouraged cause nothing happens. Than it can snowball into a bad experience.

Okay i'm going to stop my post. I'm not a doctor and this wasn't what this thread is about. Man, I guess I have to go find a Childbirth forum now where I can spout off. Anyway, I love hearing these stories. And I'm still saying the 7th for Alexxa's birth - so wow, tomorrow?

AlexxaHex
07-06-2007, 11:31 AM
Yes, it's not the fact that women will sometimes use medication to get through a difficult birth that would be an issue - it's that women don't care or don't know. I think there are a lot of things you can do to prepare for birth that would lessen the need for drugs - very simple things. That's all I'm saying too.
I hope I didn't offend anyone because hell, this shouldn't be about who is right and wrong - it's about what choices work best for each individual situation.

I am hoping for tomorrow too, Holiday! My dude's horoscope said he would be meeting someone new and influential today, but that might not mean a damn thing. lol

Tart
07-06-2007, 01:48 PM
Good luck.

I believe I'm done going into birthing and baby threads. Things get far too off topic

Sultry Siren
07-06-2007, 03:30 PM
Not sure if this is 'on topic' but, when I was pregnant with my son I ran into a woman at Starbucks and she commented on my belly....

We got on the subject of birth and due dates and she told me exactly when she was going to have the baby! I asked her how in the world she knew when right down to the time of delivery. She told me that she had booked her C-section in advance and so she knew exactly!!

I asked her why she would do that vs vaginal and she blatantly told me that she was a busy career woman who didn't have time to mess about waiting for dialation etc. and that she didn't want her vagina streched and take the pleasure out of sex!!!!

So she basically booked her baby like one of her appointments!!!

To me that was bloody harsh and made me wonder why in the bloody hell she is having a child anyway!!!! From the sounds of her conversation she won't even have time for the baby!!!

NinaDaisy
07-06-2007, 05:24 PM
I very much want to have children in the next few years, but I admit that I'm terrified of being pregnant and childbirth. Puts me in a bit of a pickle, eh?

I'm assuming that I'll end up having a C-section, since I have a very narrow pelvis like my mother does and she needed C-sections for both of her kids.

I am lucky in that since my mother is an MD who also partakes in alternative medicine, as long as she was around I know I would get the best care possible.

One of my biggest fears if I was to give birth vaginally would be an episiotomy. I know that they're a lot more rare now than they use to be, but tearing that much...ugh.

I have met a few women who have had planned c-sections and in many cases it was due to a relatively minor health concern of some sort, like gestational diabetes. It might sound awful, but a planned c-section isn't something I would rule out if I had that option.

There's a lot of talk about how childbirth is the most natural thing in the world, and indeed it is, but the fact of the matter is that advances in medicine in the last century (especially in antiseptics) have caused rates of child mortality and women dying from childbirth to plummet. It's just something to think about. Just because a woman can get pregnant and bring the fetus to term, doesn't mean her body is automatically equipped to birth the child without potential harm coming to her or her baby where medical intervention might be necessary.

Lysondra
07-06-2007, 06:27 PM
Not sure if this is 'on topic' but, when I was pregnant with my son I ran into a woman at Starbucks and she commented on my belly....

We got on the subject of birth and due dates and she told me exactly when she was going to have the baby! I asked her how in the world she knew when right down to the time of delivery. She told me that she had booked her C-section in advance and so she knew exactly!!

I asked her why she would do that vs vaginal and she blatantly told me that she was a busy career woman who didn't have time to mess about waiting for dialation etc. and that she didn't want her vagina streched and take the pleasure out of sex!!!!

So she basically booked her baby like one of her appointments!!!

To me that was bloody harsh and made me wonder why in the bloody hell she is having a child anyway!!!! From the sounds of her conversation she won't even have time for the baby!!!


Someone should've really told her it takes weeks to recover from a c-section but days to recover from vaginal birth... dumb ass woman.

Sirona
07-06-2007, 07:23 PM
One of my biggest fears if I was to give birth vaginally would be an episiotomy. I know that they're a lot more rare now than they use to be, but tearing that much...ugh.



An episiotomy isn't a tear. Tears tend to be far more painful and slower to heal which is why they tend to do episiotomies.

I had episiotomies for all three of my kids. I can honestly say it wasn't as bad as you'd imagine. Having it done really didn't hurt and afterwards I found it to be annoying more than anything. I was healed up and having sex about 3 weeks later (I know, I know, you're supposed to wait 6 weeks, fuck that shit, we used condoms to prevent uterine infection).

Just be adamant about avoiding one unless they feel you're going to tear and stress that you want it as small as possible while still achieving the desired result; no tears.

AlexxaHex
07-06-2007, 08:16 PM
You can also prevent tearing by stretching your perineum with olive oil every day for 4 weeks prior to your due date. You can also use smaller pushes during your labor (easier said than done sometimes I'm sure) rather than big straining pushes that would cause tearing.

Nina, my mother was also said to have a narrow pelvis and had to have a c-section with my older brother when she was 16, and then another for my birth because the doctor didn't want to do a VBAC (vaginal birth after ceasarian). I think she could have done it naturally if she wasn't so young and coerced into doing it the doctor's way. I wouldn't be so quick to say you can't deliver vaginally either. I think that was a thing that doctors used to say in the 70s but it is NOT that common to have to have a c-section. Definitely get a 2nd or 3rd opinion.

I am also not sure where it has been shown that mortality rates have plummeted due to western medicine being involved. In fact, I think they have risen since doctors and not midwives have been assisting births in this country. The presence of men and medical professionals in a woman's birth plan is a relatively new thing. People never heard of delivering in hospitals until recently.

Nautilus
07-06-2007, 09:01 PM
last i read, tear/cut/stitching or perineal episodes were still 50% so it's not so rare. there are loads of contradicting reports about how an epidural increases your rate of needing assisting with the perineum because you're likely to push harder and not feel when you're at that point of tearing.

i am at a 'happy place' with most of the gross stuff now. i know that if it goes like that, then so be it. if he's a big brute and tears me up, or i need a cut, then that's the price i have to pay.

before i got pregnant i was a classic doctor's kid... i wanted any/all drugs, probably a pre-booked caesar, monitors, the works. i am amazed at how earthy birthy i got when i actually got knocked up.

i'm sure i've mentioned that if shit goes crazy in my little tub and i need the full maternity suite, then i have no problems getting the bejesus intervened out of myself to save me and the kiddo from harm but that will be a last resort.

i can't believe how many kids my mum had (with posterior presentation) using only gas (and lying down!!). if she can do it... then i can. although i imagine i'll be squatting, crawling, bouncing, lunging and fidgeting my way round the room to get the little bugger out. heh. :P i am looking forward to my own tank of nitrous tho'... beats doing creamer bulbs like a dodgy teenager.

i just can't imagine lying down with stirrups pushing the beastie out against gravity. eep.:O

holiday
07-07-2007, 08:59 AM
It's also pretty disputed that episiotomies (sp?) are easier to heal than tears. I've also read the that tears are easier to heal.

I was scared to death about tearing. It just sounds so awful. But honestly it was nothing. I mean compared to the pressure coming down the vaginal canal. I didn't care about anything except pushing that head out! Ha Ha TMI.

Tart
07-07-2007, 09:09 AM
I was cut with all of mine. The first one was horrible. Complete hack dr. And with the other two ( because I had been cut before ) I had to be cut with them. IT's scar tissue and if you don't cut it you'll tear through it.

Tears are HARDER to heal because they aren't a clean line,instead they are jagged. Plus you can always tear up instead of down. OUCH.

Episiotomies aren't as as bad as everyone assumes. You don't really feel any cutting down there and honestly once you figure out how to pee ( using some water to spray on you while you go because you can't wipe ) it's nothing. In 5 days you could care less.

It heals rather quickly. But as far as them not being necessary that's not true. I couldn't have massaged my shit to get out an 11 lb child. there's no way in hell. Or even my 10 lb child.

Honestly the worst part of having a baby.... going poop for the first time afterwards. that right there alone makes me never want to have kids again lol

Sirona
07-07-2007, 09:21 AM
The other thing to consider in the episiotomy vs. tear is this:

An episiotomy is controlled as far as how big it is etc.
A tear has the potential to really do some damage (ex. tear downwards into the rectum).

As someone mentioned perinnial massage is really really good to do in order to increase the elasticity of the perinnium and i'd highly encourage it.

I had very large babies for my size and definitly would have torn even WITH the pre-birth massage (which I did, religiously).

I made sure with each kid that my OB nurse/midwife knew I only wanted the episiotomy to be as big as needed which ended up being fairly amusing.

Ok don't push... (ya right, that's ALL you wanna do at that point)
*snip* not yet...
*snip* almost...
no pushing yet...
*snip*
Ok NOW you can push!

StevieStar7
07-07-2007, 11:25 AM
I was cut with all of mine. The first one was horrible. Complete hack dr. And with the other two ( because I had been cut before ) I had to be cut with them. IT's scar tissue and if you don't cut it you'll tear through it.

Tears are HARDER to heal because they aren't a clean line,instead they are jagged. Plus you can always tear up instead of down. OUCH.

Episiotomies aren't as as bad as everyone assumes. You don't really feel any cutting down there and honestly once you figure out how to pee ( using some water to spray on you while you go because you can't wipe ) it's nothing. In 5 days you could care less.

It heals rather quickly. But as far as them not being necessary that's not true. I couldn't have massaged my shit to get out an 11 lb child. there's no way in hell. Or even my 10 lb child.

Honestly the worst part of having a baby.... going poop for the first time afterwards. that right there alone makes me never want to have kids again lol

^^^ Agreed...I was cut with my first 2 only. I'd rather be cut than tear, that's for sure!

Lysondra
07-07-2007, 07:35 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! TEARING VAGINAS!!!!!! *runs away screaming!*

Hatshepsut
07-07-2007, 07:58 PM
Actually, they don't do episiotimies nearly as much as they used to. Nowadays, they don't do it unless it's going to be a severe rip.

You know how muscle tissue comes in fibers? This is very visible in pot roast. The fibers are held together with surrounding tissue, which I think is called fascia. When it rips, it will generally rip along the path of least resistance, and generally only the fascia will rip. When you make a cut (which, by the way isn't generally felt as much as one might think because of analgesia and because the pressure of the baby's head), you cut those muscle fibers. More scar tissue forms because the fibers themselves have to heal rather than just the fascia. In a rip, the fascia just regrows. When they do C-sections, they will make as small of a cut as they can, and will pull on the incision (I'm talking about bracing and pulling back, not gentle tugs) to widen it because separating heals faster than cutting.

I've read about births, and one woman said that her minor rip healed right up (she didn't make it to the hospital in time), but the episiotomy from her first birth hurts and bleeds sometimes when she poops.

Lysondra
07-07-2007, 08:02 PM
:eye-poppi :scared: :yuck: :weeping:

Tart
07-07-2007, 08:05 PM
YOu know what's even sexier ^ ... the old blood that comes out after the baby

smells like rotten garbage

Lysondra
07-07-2007, 08:08 PM
YOu know what's even sexier ^ ... the old blood that comes out after the baby

smells like rotten garbage

:boggled: :crazy: :eye-poppi :faint:

Imma gonna sign out of this thread, now, yes....

Hatshepsut
07-07-2007, 08:09 PM
YOu know what's even sexier ^ ... the old blood that comes out after the baby

smells like rotten garbage
Yep, good old lochia.

Hatshepsut
07-07-2007, 08:12 PM
Someone should've really told her it takes weeks to recover from a c-section but days to recover from vaginal birth... dumb ass woman.
Amen. I've seen C-sections, what it's like to recover from them, and the future risks. I have no fucking idea why women think that it's easier. Seriously, ask Rhiannon. She'll tell you what she went though.

GAHHHH, I'm having flashbacks of the uterus being pulled out through the incision to be cleaned out.

Tart
07-07-2007, 08:28 PM
Yep, good old lochia.

You know what, with my first son I never noticed it. But oddly enough my milk never came in. I think being 17 might have been the issue.

At any rate when I had my last child I was driving my oldest to school ( 3 weeks after I had my son ) and I was like holy fuck " Check XYZ's pants ...I think he pooed "

I sniffed around that car for like 10 minutes.. then..low and behold it was me. I think I cried a solid 5 minutes.

Nautilus
07-07-2007, 09:33 PM
oh man, the books mention the bleeding afterwards but conveniently omit the stank part.

:O

caaaaan't wait.

Tart
07-07-2007, 09:39 PM
^ haha of course they left it out. Just remember you can't douche not that you ever should anways.

Get the summers eve wipes and change your pads often. It goes away rather quickly.

Nautilus
07-07-2007, 09:41 PM
now i get why something i read mentioned 3 showers a day...

*hwarf*

Tart
07-07-2007, 09:46 PM
^ yah but make sure you turn away from the hot water...otherwise you'll express milk.

really weird but yah it happens.

Nautilus
07-07-2007, 09:50 PM
great so my body is *still* going to be possessed even after the little controller comes out...

i suppose i should start getting ready for all orifices to be leaking at once... all though it's having a decent go at it now!

Tart
07-07-2007, 09:52 PM
lol yah your boobs will not leak but shoot out breast milk, I didnt breast feed so obviously it stopped once my milk dried up. Not sure how that works when you breast feed.

If you makes you feel any better. I didnt "bleed" heavy except for the first 4 days then after that it tapered off to basically nothing by 2 weeks. I never did bleed 6 weeks.

Flick6
07-08-2007, 03:41 AM
I had my first in a birth centre which is WiTHIN the hospital.... best of both worlds really, drug free, nice environment lovely midwives etc etc. Although they are not technically allowed to have water births they were nice enough to let me have my girl under water any way... what were they gonna do drag me out?
As for the tearing versus episiotomy.... well I did tear and it wasn;t fun having it stiched up... BUT a tear is superficial and doesn't cut through as much flesh as when they and generally heals alot quicker. They really dont do episiotomy very often any more, it is considered an unnecesary risk for infection etc. I would rather take the risk of tearing a little than being sliced open before the birth has even started!
Go the perinial massage and maybe get into fisting? But Christ don't encourage the doctors to start cutting into you!

It hurts like all hell, having a natural birth. It is quite possibley the hardest thing I have ever expereinced, but in four months I go in for my second bubs in the same birth centre.... so I guess in some way it must have been worth it! And the thing is, you can't do anything wrong. Your body knows what is going on and all you need to do is ride it out (lol hopefully this second one wont take 20 hours in labour like her sister did!), And its true, as soon as they come out it is all just finished like the pain was never there! Fantastic bloody hormones they are, better than any drug high.

Sirona
07-08-2007, 06:30 AM
It's nice to hear they've gotten better about the epsiotomy thing. I'd like to things have only gotten better since I had my last baby (13 years ago).

Tart
07-08-2007, 12:52 PM
^ shit things are better since my last 7.5 years ago.

Just to think when my other had me, it was in a cold operating room , men were nOT allowed in .including my father. My mother was horribly cut, she stayed 3 days and even donated some of her breast milk because a woman there wasn't expressing . weird.

and my grandmother was given morphine, knocked out...hell she SMOKED a fucking cigerrette while she was in labor and almost caught her bed on fire because the morphine kicked in. Women in the 50's were even given water pills so that they wouldn't get so " fat ".

Katrine
07-08-2007, 01:16 PM
Oh god, my inability to have kids isn't looking so bad right now.

Dottie Rebel
07-08-2007, 01:34 PM
Yeah. Is there an opposite of a "trigger"? Cause this thread is that for me.

Lola Rose
07-08-2007, 01:48 PM
So..... is it really necessary for people to comment, often multiple times, that they are grossed out by something? To me seeing these posts of gagging/barfing putrid looking smilies is just so rude....

Katrine
07-08-2007, 02:08 PM
Ummm, I think anyone here can and will say exactly how they feel. You opened up a very emotional subject, and others will share.

AlexxaHex
07-08-2007, 02:18 PM
:dance: My lochia brings all the boys to the yard...ummm *cough*

Not working? Sorry.

cameron_keys
07-08-2007, 02:25 PM
:dance: My lochia brings all the boys to the yard...ummm *cough*

Not working? Sorry.

:wide-eyed: :neener: