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crizgolfer
07-13-2007, 11:33 AM
Very different from what I do now, where it takes months of coddling to get quality long-term clients. So when a competitor from another firm tries to get into my client's wallet, I will have NO QUALMS about preventing that from happening. I'll go beat the fuck out of that Wachovia Wealth Management motherfucker in the dressing room!!! Hahaha, ;)


LMAO...and I noticed your emoticon shows "Mellow"...;)

yoda57us
07-13-2007, 01:19 PM
Very different from what I do now, where it takes months of coddling to get quality long-term clients. So when a competitor from another firm tries to get into my client's wallet, I will have NO QUALMS about preventing that from happening. I'll go beat the fuck out of that Wachovia Wealth Management motherfucker in the dressing room!!! Hahaha, ;)

Kat it's so good to see that you have made the adjustment from spurning regular customers to beating and possibly maiming to keep them....I'f it's possible you are even hotter to me now than you were before I read your last post...}:D;D8)

Katrine
07-13-2007, 04:21 PM
Kat it's so good to see that you have made the adjustment from spurning regular customers to beating and possibly maiming to keep them....I'f it's possible you are even hotter to me now than you were before I read your last post...}:D;D8)

Its a completely different ballgame yodachka. Its tough to even compare financial industry with stripping. But its still fun. In this industry, happy clients=good long-term income and referrals. In stripping, regulars equal drama and diminishing returns, at least in my experience.

FBR
07-13-2007, 04:44 PM
Its a completely different ballgame yodachka. Its tough to even compare financial industry with stripping. But its still fun. In this industry, happy clients=good long-term income and referrals. In stripping, regulars equal drama and diminishing returns, at least in my experience.

Kat, in the case of moi, I can't deny the drama but my fav's monetary returns sure haven't diminished. But I do understand that you were a "fire and forget" kind of dancer which would have made the extra cultivating efforts a pain in the ass.

I do think that Yoda (who I highly respect) would have loved more opportunities to try and change your "religion" ;)

FBR

Katrine
07-13-2007, 05:14 PM
Kat, in the case of moi, I can't deny the drama but my fav's monetary returns sure haven't diminished. But I do understand that you were a "fire and forget" kind of dancer which would have made the extra cultivating efforts a pain in the ass.

I do think that Yoda (who I highly respect) would have loved more opportunities to try and change your "religion" ;)

FBR

That's fine. As I've mentioned, I did have regulars. BUT, I am also the girl that would work at a bunch of different clubs at the same time. SO...I worked 2 clubs in Austin, a club in San Antonio, and 2-3 clubs in Houston, PLUS travel...all at the same time. It simply didn't make sense to try and hope for long-term regulars.

Instead, shifting around like that works well because it brings in "new girl money." I kept a low-profile and didn't interact much with other dancers and staff. Hence, I was always the new girl, and thus mysterious.

Whereas, as customers, it would seem logical for you that creating a long-term customer relationship will bring in more money overall, it isn't always valid in the SC sales game. There aren't that many custys as cool as ya'll. There are a ton of threads that don't understand, but its just true!

That's just the way it worked. I would have been tickled pink to have either of you as my regulars. I'm happy to know you both now as friends!

FBR
07-13-2007, 05:24 PM
That's just the way it worked. I would have been tickled pink to have either of you as my regulars. I'm happy to know you both now as friends!

The feeling is mutual. :)

FBR

yoda57us
07-13-2007, 07:25 PM
I would have been tickled pink to have either of you as my regulars. I'm happy to know you both now as friends!

It's much better this way Kat. If I had visited Austin while you were still dancing and got a dance or 20 from you I would have become obsessed, probably spent all of my money on you, started selling drugs to raise money to fly from Boston to Austin every week to spend MORE money on you...become even more obsessed with and eventually resented you because I spent all of my money on you and you went home with some broke drummer from a rock band who spent no money on you and was so poor that you had to buy him drinks while he watched you grind on other guys...

It's an ugly scenario and I'm really glad it never came to that.;D

Katrine
07-13-2007, 08:13 PM
It's much better this way Kat. If I had visited Austin while you were still dancing and got a dance or 20 from you I would have become obsessed, probably spent all of my money on you, started selling drugs to raise money to fly from Boston to Austin every week to spend MORE money on you...become even more obsessed with and eventually resented you because I spent all of my money on you and you went home with some broke drummer from a rock band who spent no money on you and was so poor that you had to buy him drinks while he watched you grind on other guys...

It's an ugly scenario and I'm really glad it never came to that.;D

Aha, I wouldn't have my boyfriend hang out in the club while I worked!!! That's just bad business good sir. ;)

But you still have the opportunity to spend money on me sweets! You know what to do...:P

FBR
07-13-2007, 08:37 PM
Aha, I wouldn't have my boyfriend hang out in the club while I worked!!! That's just bad business good sir. ;)

But you still have the opportunity to spend money on me sweets! You know what to do...:P

Hmmm...the plot thickens. No fair with the secret shit. Ya'll have to spill your guts and give us the details. Yoda, I'm calling you out as a fellow Junkie ;)

FBR

Katrine
07-13-2007, 08:51 PM
Hmmm...the plot thickens. No fair with the secret shit. Ya'll have to spill your guts and give us the details. Yoda, I'm calling you out as a fellow Junkie ;)

FBR

Ummmm hullo. Like, you know, my new job n shit. What's hotter, me grinding on your dick for 3 minutes, or a 28% return on your investments?

Wait, don't answer that... }:D

FBR
07-13-2007, 08:55 PM
Ummmm hullo. Like, you know, my new job n shit. What's hotter, me grinding on your dick for 3 minutes, or a 28% return on your investments?

Wait, don't answer that... }:D

Kat, I hope you don't give your clients that option. I know which one I would pick }:D

FBR

yoda57us
07-13-2007, 08:58 PM
Aha, I wouldn't have my boyfriend hang out in the club while I worked!!! That's just bad business good sir. ;)

Of course, how silly of me...he would be at band practice anyway...(ever hear the old joke "what does a stripper do with her asshole before going to work??? She drops him off at band practice")


But you still have the opportunity to spend money on me sweets! You know what to do...:P

Oh great, another sleepless night...Note to self: You idiot! Why aren't you on a plane to Austin RIGHT NOW!


Hmmm...the plot thickens. No fair with the secret shit. Ya'll have to spill your guts and give us the details. Yoda, I'm calling you out as a fellow Junkie ;)

FBR

Sorry FBR, I haven't gotten this far by kissing and telling....}:D

Casual Observer
07-14-2007, 05:10 AM
^ Can you three get a room already?

And someone please bring a camera.

Thanks.

yoda57us
07-14-2007, 05:24 AM
Ummmm hullo. Like, you know, my new job n shit. What's hotter, me grinding on your dick for 3 minutes, or a 28% return on your investments?

Wait, don't answer that... }:D

Sadly, a sure sign that I'm about to turn fifty...I actually had to think about that for a minute....OK, it was more like five seconds...}:D

Katrine
07-14-2007, 10:39 AM
Awwww, ya'll suck! C'mon, a girl has to make money somehow!! And I've only been jealous about a regular spending too much time with another girl once. But that's only because I wasn't making any money for over an hour. I couldn't give away a dance. It happens. Had I been making money, I wouldn't have given two shits.

And neither the reg or the dancer EVER knew I was jealous. Its my silly emotions, not their actions. I think it makes a dancer look insecure and psycho to throw a fit over her regular spending elswhere.

Golden_Rule
07-14-2007, 12:42 PM
Xdamage and Golden Rule...don’t stay away due to a few posts.

No reason to so far, Criz.

:)


My question was taken the way it was meant and people have been good about posting legit response to it.

See, I don't care if someone agrees with me or not. I certainly acknowledge every one's right to their own opinion and I fully expect that I can learn a thing or two from just about anyone. I just expect civility is all, and so far that is precisely what I have observed. Though I would be lying if I said that I haven't witnessed some guys getting their head(s) handed to them around here for daring to suggest an opinion, even if it were done politely... but other than to say that I am so NOT going there. :)

Peace.

Golden_Rule
07-14-2007, 12:58 PM
Then you are far more likely to get it! And save the dancer a lot of time and stress trying to figure you out.I wish more customers were like this.

I am glad to hear you say that. I wish more dancers appreciated it.

I don't expect to be every dancers perfect customer, any more than every dancer should expect to be my perfect entertainer. I do believe though that even where there is a mismatch there is no reason not to be friendly about it and just enjoy the surroundings for what they are. Enjoy the vibe and add to it graciouosly is my motto.

I am something of a cut up, and my favorite dancers have a good sense of humor as well as a sense of the absurd. They help me draw attention to it a bit, get everyone chuckling or feeling a tad more horny [depending on the kind of cutting up going on] and [if I do say so myself, and I do] the attention frequently leads to better tips all around, since the customers are now awake and paying attention.

I am a very, very, nice, very respectful, rather bad boy and I like it that way.

[something like my fav Tim McGraw song ;D ]

Golden_Rule
07-14-2007, 01:13 PM
... I would have become obsessed, probably spent all of my money on you, started selling drugs to raise money to fly from Boston to Austin every week to spend MORE money on you...become even more obsessed with and eventually resented you because I spent all of my money on you and you went home with some broke drummer from a rock band who spent no money on you and was so poor that you had to buy him drinks while he watched you grind on other guys...


See, that would never happen to me. Seen too many go over that edge and learning by osmosis is a wonderful thing.

I am sure you are simply kidding. [I would hope :) ]

Peace

Golden_Rule
07-14-2007, 01:25 PM
But you still have the opportunity to spend money on me sweets! You know what to do...:P

And you, who I have been reading for over two years and puts enough of herself into her posts that I have a very good idea about who you are [I mean personality wise, not ID] and how we might get on, most respectfully, need to tell me if you ever swing on by Phillie [my preference] or NYC.

And please take that as the genuine compliment it is intended as.

Katrine
07-14-2007, 03:08 PM
And you, who I have been reading for over two years and puts enough of herself into her posts that I have a very good idea about who you are [I mean personality wise, not ID] and how we might get on, most respectfully, need to tell me if you ever swing on by Phillie [my preference] or NYC.

And please take that as the genuine compliment it is intended as.

Not for stripping or escorting, sorry. But thank you for the compliment. I really would like to get back to NYC and also to visit Philly for the first time...soon.

Golden_Rule
07-14-2007, 06:27 PM
Not for stripping or escorting, sorry. But thank you for the compliment. I really would like to get back to NYC and also to visit Philly for the first time...soon.

Get your mind out of the gutter Lovey Lady. LOL

The only four letter word ending in "K" meaning intercourse I had in mind, unless you offered otherwise, was "Talk".

Dinner and some chat, perhaps with a few of my NYC M & S pals [with enough prior notice], or Phillie with myself [not as well connected in Phillie, though I prefer it due to proximity].

yoda57us
07-14-2007, 08:39 PM
I really would like to get back to NYC and also to visit Philly for the first time...soon.

Hmmmm......I have a friend in Philly....how do you feel about Filipino girls Kat?}:D

slims099
07-15-2007, 11:42 AM
I saw this in another thread and have been on the receiving end of such treatment a few times. I just wondered what other people thought of the concept of "customers as personal property"?



I don't treat dancers like property. I get to know them as people, at some point [if there is any chemistry at all] make my desires respectfully known and am gracious no matter which knotch the spinning wheel lands on [for, against, or somewhere in the middle].

I know that when I've had this happen to me with a dancer, ATF or otherwise, I try to talk it out. This isn't a commited relationship. We aren't going "steady". I am a customer and she a professional entertainer. If she understands than I will go back to her again and again, regardless if I am VIP'ing with someone else as well. If she doesn't understand I wind up, regretfully, having to just cut the string. If drama ensues over it and she makes the club uncomfortable for me, which has happened once or twice, I go to management.

I guess it boils down to some dancers opererating under the notion that after a VIP or two we belong to them in some way.

Do dancers here think that is the way it ought to be, "Customers are property"? If so, can someone explain it to me cause I'd be lying if I said I understood it. I mean, I thought Lincoln freed the slaves. :) -joshing as to the last, serious about the former-

(Delayed post, but I just found it)

I've had dancers and ATF's that were so jealous of other dancers that they'd rather give me blame than the other dancers. It's crazy how territorial they get. Can't blame them though. I'm usually a pretty good regular to my favorites ($$-wise) and when they see it going somewhere else they usually get jealous.

Sometimes it even feels good when you have a coke-head bugging you and all the sudden you look up and your ATF is standing right there and she casually AND professionally sits down and lets the other girl slip away. I find it's kind of a turn-on to me.

Golden_Rule
07-15-2007, 06:59 PM
Sometimes it even feels good when you have a coke-head bugging you and all the sudden you look up and your ATF is standing right there and she casually AND professionally sits down and lets the other girl slip away. I find it's kind of a turn-on to me.


What ever trips your trigger, I suppose.

Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm a control freak. Still, I kind of like to run my own life and decide who, and who I will not, speak to and conduct personal affairs with. [no pun intended]

If the "coke head" comes fluttering around and it bothers me I have no problem politely sending her on her way. If she won't take a polite no for an answer I become more direct. I don't seem to have a problem communicating in that regard. :)

In the club I make no claim on any dancer even if I dance with her regularly. When I walk into a club I don't figure they should drop what they are doing and run to my side because I've spent money on them in the past. I also don't walk up to them while they are speaking to another potential client or regular and say, "This one is mine, go get your own." I expect the same thing the other way around.

jaizaine
07-15-2007, 10:44 PM
wtf? If I like a dancer, I'll buy her a drink if i'm waiting for my atf. If I don't I won't.

Why should I spend 8 bucks per drink for a dancer I don't like? Sheesh, that's like feeding a stray cat, you'll never get rid of the darn thing. :)

Well good for u. None of the girls ask for the drinks, these customers are gentlemen who offer any lady who is standing near them a drink when the drink waitress comes around.
They are not the type of people who 8 dollars means anything to either.

LuckyOne
07-16-2007, 05:58 AM
That comment was posted in response to a girl that was losing a lot of business to an "extras" girl. As soon as her regulars saw they could get more from this other girl in the VIP they didn't think they were getting their money's worth from the first dancer.

Its not about treating customers like property- its expecting loyalty because the dancer has spent a significant amount of time with that person and they have a relationship. And it is pertaining specifically to REGULAR customers (as Katrine said), not any old guy in the club.

bem401
07-16-2007, 06:18 AM
So I just saw this thread. I posted that comment in response to a girl that was losing a lot of business to an "extras" girl. As soon as her regulars saw they could get more from this other girl in the VIP they didn't think they were getting their money's worth from the first dancer.

Its not about treating customers like property- its expecting loyalty because I have spent a significant amount of time with him and we have a special bond. And it is pertaining specifically to my REGULAR customers (as Katrine said) who I have cultivated a relationship with, not any old guy I talk to.

Loyalty? In a stripclub? Does that also mean dancers should ignore potential big spenders to entertain a steady customer who spends only moderately? If you're answer is anything but yes to that question, it would seem a double standard is being employed and you are looking to have it both ways.

Jenny
07-16-2007, 06:29 AM
Loyalty? In a stripclub? Does that also mean dancers should ignore potential big spenders to entertain a steady customer who spends only moderately? If you're answer is anything but yes to that question, it would seem a double standard is being employed and you are looking to have it both ways.
Well of course there is a double standard. We are selling something and you are buying it. It is our livelihood and your recreation. Different kinds of courtesy apply. If a customer has cultivated a relationship with a dancer, that involves her generally (as regulars tend to do) giving him more time and attention than she would give to a one off customer in exchange for the same amount or less amount of money based on the premise that his money is "a sure thing" then he has been enjoying her time and attention and a certain number of "freebies" under certain auspices. While that doesn't indenture him for life, it certainly does engender certain courtesies that could be described as "loyalty". That doesn't mean there is a corresponding obligation on her part to surrender a lot of money, and I don't think any reasonable person would see that differently.

yoda57us
07-16-2007, 08:20 AM
Loyalty? In a stripclub? Does that also mean dancers should ignore potential big spenders to entertain a steady customer who spends only moderately?

Lol, The fact of the matter is any good stripper will find a way to get the money from both of them.

I have had many dancers who were "loyal" to me. I come in, they come over, we spend time together, I spend money on them and everyone is getting what they want. Bottom line however is that, as Jenny said, it's her income and my entertainment. Part of my obligation as a guy who LIKES his favs is to be happy for them when they are having a good day and never to impede their ability to earn. I think the reason a lot of girls get down on the whole concept of regulars is because some regulars start to think that they are owed something more than what they are paying for.
Unless you are buying-out a lady's day at some agreed-to price she has to keep looking for the money all day long.

bem401
07-16-2007, 08:38 AM
LOL, I was not implying that the girl should not spend her time maximizing her income. I was coming at it more from the angle of the guy having constraints placed upon him. My money is money and I'll spend it how I like. The girl's time is her time and she should spend that as she likes. I have seldom run into problems along these lines. My time in the club nowadays is generally spent socializing with a handful of dancers. PD's are a rarity, but I have told them the minute they smell money they should ditch me, I'd understand. After all, if someone called me up with an opportunity to put $300 in my pocket over the next hour, I'd be out of there like shit through a goose.

Katrine
07-17-2007, 09:12 AM
LOL, I was not implying that the girl should not spend her time maximizing her income. I was coming at it more from the angle of the guy having constraints placed upon him. My money is money and I'll spend it how I like. The girl's time is her time and she should spend that as she likes. I have seldom run into problems along these lines. My time in the club nowadays is generally spent socializing with a handful of dancers. PD's are a rarity, but I have told them the minute they smell money they should ditch me, I'd understand. After all, if someone called me up with an opportunity to put $300 in my pocket over the next hour, I'd be out of there like shit through a goose.

Oh great, so you sit around the club not spending. Are you this guy?

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94270

Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 04:52 PM
That comment was posted in response to a girl that was losing a lot of business to an "extras" girl. As soon as her regulars saw they could get more from this other girl in the VIP they didn't think they were getting their money's worth from the first dancer.

Its not about treating customers like property- its expecting loyalty because the dancer has spent a significant amount of time with that person and they have a relationship. And it is pertaining specifically to REGULAR customers (as Katrine said), not any old guy in the club.


???

I am very sorry Lucky One. I mean this very politely, but that notion over steps certain boundaries IMHO. It is precisely treating a customer like property.

The dancer is an entertainer. A customer pays her for entertainment received from her. If she is good at what she does he should not only pay but tip well. This completes their contract: Consideration [the entertainment]. Compensation [the payment and/or tip].

Example: I don't owe my plumber any loyalty because he fixed my pipes a few times. If I want to contract with another plumber I am free to do so. My plumber is then free to refuse me additional service if he has some mistaken idea about "loyalty" should I choose to come back to him for other services. Though he'd be foolish to do so because a customer is a customer.

If a customer WANTS to contract with the extras girl it truly is no business of the dancer he was seeing before her. If she intercedes she is violating his right to act on his free will and treating him like chattel. If she doesn't want to provide any additional entertainment to him because he saw this "dirty dancer" that is certainly her right as well. Her right to act on her own free will.

Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 05:01 PM
Well of course there is a double standard. We are selling something and you are buying it. It is our livelihood and your recreation. Different kinds of courtesy apply. If a customer has cultivated a relationship with a dancer, that involves her generally (as regulars tend to do) giving him more time and attention than she would give to a one off customer in exchange for the same amount or less amount of money based on the premise that his money is "a sure thing" then he has been enjoying her time and attention and a certain number of "freebies" under certain auspices. While that doesn't indenture him for life, it certainly does engender certain courtesies that could be described as "loyalty". That doesn't mean there is a corresponding obligation on her part to surrender a lot of money, and I don't think any reasonable person would see that differently.

Well that might explain it for others and might explain why I feel differently about it.

I don't pay dancers for time spent with me in the club. The reason for that is that I don't contract with dancers to spend time with me in the club. Meaning, I don't ask them to do that. In fairness to them if they hang around more than a few minutes and I don't want a dance I politely tell them I am not ready to dance just now and will call them if I change my mind.

When dancers do hang with me at a club it is because they chose to do so. Usually because the club is dead and it is more interesting to hang with someone you find you can tolerate then to sit about watching the paint peel.

I pay and tip well if service is good for any acts I initiate and certainly would pay a dancer for her time, or give her "loyalty" for it, if I requested it of her. I don't do that though.

That is why I hold the opinion that I do. If others are doing different things and getting breaks on dancers and time they contracted for spent with them for the consideration of "loyalty" as payment, that is another thing altogether.

Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 05:06 PM
I think the reason a lot of girls get down on the whole concept of regulars is because some regulars start to think that they are owed something more than what they are paying for.


I would think so, if that is the way the customer is acting.

All I know about is what I do. I don't think a dancer, regular - ATF - what have you, owes me more than what we agreed upon for her to do and I certainly won't ask or expect more than that. If I get it, I'll add a nice tip to the fee.

The flip side of that is I don't owe her more than what we agreed I would pay for it.


My time in the club nowadays is generally spent socializing with a handful of dancers. PD's are a rarity, but I have told them the minute they smell money they should ditch me, I'd understand. After all, if someone called me up with an opportunity to put $300 in my pocket over the next hour, I'd be out of there like shit through a goose.

Precisely.


Oh great, so you sit around the club not spending.

I wouldn't think so from reading his other posts.

I would think that he is a guy who sits around not taking up anything but space, requesting nothing from anyone, until such time as the spirit moves him, and I am sure it does or why else would he be there, to get a dance. At which time he finds the dancer of his choice, pays her the going rate plus any mutually agreed fees for anything above and beyond - if there is anything above and beyond - and tips well if he has had an especially good time.

Making thus of him a rightous Dude as he has been fair with everyone he hasth come into contact with within the club. :)

Jenny
07-17-2007, 05:12 PM
I don't pay dancers for time spent with me in the club. The reason for that is that I don't contract with dancers to spend time with me in the club. Meaning, I don't ask them to do that. In fairness to them if they hang around more than a few minutes and I don't want a dance I politely tell them I am not ready to dance just now and will call them if I change my mind.
You know a lot of guys say that. Most of them are mistaken. I don't know you, but I do know the average customer who says that he doesn't "ask dancers to spend time with him" is really just not doing it explicitly. Very seldom do they make the financial transaction without the sweet talk beforehand. So they are implicitly demanding the free time. Just saying.


When dancers do hang with me at a club it is because they chose to do so. Usually because the club is dead and it is more interesting to hang with someone you find you can tolerate then to sit about watching the paint peel.
You know that's another one that a lot of guys tell me. I have trouble believing it, generally because not one guy who says it has ever been actually interesting or charming or fun. I'm not judging you personally - I'm just saying what it is like in my experience. Generally girls who do hang around with guys who say things like that are just inexpertly trying to sell - that is, they may not be doing it successfully, but they are still not doing it for fun.


That is why I hold the opinion that I do. If others are doing different things and getting breaks on dancers and time they contracted for spent with them for the consideration of "loyalty" as payment, that is another thing altogether.
Well that's fascinating. I guess you decided being a second class citizen wasn't so bad after all?
To me it seems fairly intuitive that a "regular" relationship would by nature have some advantages to the customer over the "non-regular" or else no customer would cultivate it. It similarly seems obvious that if you are using your repeat and frequent business as leverage to get more time or better time, that it is kind of on the table that you sort have to pony up the repeat and frequent business. But you know. I'm just a stripper. What would I know about stripping?

LuckyOne
07-17-2007, 05:44 PM
Example: I don't owe my plumber any loyalty because he fixed my pipes a few times. If I want to contract with another plumber I am free to do so. My plumber is then free to refuse me additional service if he has some mistaken idea about "loyalty" should I choose to come back to him for other services.

Just cuz we got the same buttcrack thing going on doesn't mean strippers are like plumbers. ;) Plumbers are laborers. Strippers are salespeople. Furthermore, we are salespeople who work strictly on commission.

Have you ever seen the soup Nazi on Seinfeld? He has the best soup in town and people wait in line for hours to get some. Piss him off and NO SOUP FOR YOU! If you are my regular and you want extra attention from me, don't disrespect me by sampling other flavors when I'm not looking. Men aren't very loyal by nature, so sometimes you need to reinforce the guidelines. Mac on all the other girls and NO SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR YOU! :)

Sorry. Just the nature of the business.

FBR
07-17-2007, 06:02 PM
Just cuz we got the same buttcrack thing going on doesn't mean strippers are like plumbers. ;) Plumbers are laborers. Strippers are salespeople. Furthermore, we are salespeople who work strictly on commission.

Have you ever seen the soup Nazi on Seinfeld? He has the best soup in town and people wait in line for hours to get some. Piss him off and NO SOUP FOR YOU! If you are my regular and you want extra attention from me, don't disrespect me by sampling other flavors when I'm not looking. Men aren't very loyal by nature, so sometimes you need to reinforce the guidelines. Mac on all the other girls and NO SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR YOU! :)

Sorry. Just the nature of the business.

LOL I'm having a bit of trouble getting my arms around the butt crack similarities but you get a thumbs up from me for the funniest and most pointed "Post of the week".

FBR

DylanAngel
07-17-2007, 06:08 PM
I don't pay dancers for time spent with me in the club. The reason for that is that I don't contract with dancers to spend time with me in the club. Meaning, I don't ask them to do that. In fairness to them if they hang around more than a few minutes and I don't want a dance I politely tell them I am not ready to dance just now and will call them if I change my mind.



I think this is a geographical thing too. In our neck of the woods, you don't pay for dancer's time. You usually tip her well on stage and then buy/not buy a dance. If she chooses to sit with you to try to push the sale, it's her choice.

This is not so in most other parts of the world though. Seems only to be yet another sucky NWNJ Jersey thing.

LuckyOne
07-17-2007, 07:44 PM
LOL I'm having a bit of trouble getting my arms around the butt crack similarities but you get a thumbs up from me for the funniest and most pointed "Post of the week".

FBR

}:D Yesh, I was feelin particularly feisty this morning and it was kind of an attempt to lighten the mood. :D I was gonna say "NO STRIPPERLUV FOR YOU" but I didn't want to imply sex...

Also, I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread before I posted, but I thought Jenny's responses pretty well reflected perspective. Especially this one:


Well of course there is a double standard. We are selling something and you are buying it. It is our livelihood and your recreation. Different kinds of courtesy apply. If a customer has cultivated a relationship with a dancer, that involves her generally (as regulars tend to do) giving him more time and attention than she would give to a one off customer in exchange for the same amount or less amount of money based on the premise that his money is "a sure thing" then he has been enjoying her time and attention and a certain number of "freebies" under certain auspices. While that doesn't indenture him for life, it certainly does engender certain courtesies that could be described as "loyalty". That doesn't mean there is a corresponding obligation on her part to surrender a lot of money, and I don't think any reasonable person would see that differently.

Well said Jenny!!!

xdamage
07-17-2007, 07:47 PM
I've never had and doubt I ever will have a "regular". The whole notion of being tied to one dancer makes no sense to me, but anyway...

For some reason I'm making some mental association between this thread and what is going on in Cally's ?Cheating? thread. See I can understand why someone in a real life relationship would be threatened by their partner spending time with someone else on the side. Some of these reasons are the same reasons a stripper doesn't want their regulars sampling other women in the club. Roughly they are:

1.) He is spending financial resources on another girl he could be spending on his regular girl

2.) By sampling other girls, there is a very real risk that he might find one he likes better, and ends up completely dropping the regular girl in favor of another girl.

3.) If he blows his "mojo" (so to speak) on another girl, he will be physically spent and the time his regular expends trying to maintain the "special" relationship will have less impact on him.

Problem is, if you don't spend that extra time with him chances he are he won't bother making you his regular anyway. You can look at it as a wasted investment, or you can look at it more like if you hadn't made an extra effort, he would have long ago been off sampling the other women. Sure, a girl may be very hot, but so are many other women in the club. I'm sure they all think they are the hottest there, and in their own ways, many of them are equally as hot.

But long term loyalty? Even the most brain dead customers (with the exception of Jeff and his obsession over Bianca) know somewhere in the back of their mind that the dancer is only doing it for money. He may be able to suspend disbelief for a while, but it's not realistic to expect anything long term. Sooner or later he is going to look around and note that many of the women in the club are hot too, thoughts of variety will enter his head, and sooner or later his dim-witted mind will wake up and realize that "the special" relationship is ultimately nothing more then BS that would fall apart in a moment if there was no money.


Anyway.., the soup Nazi could play the no soup for you game because there was nobody else selling good soup. No competition makes that possible. Problem is when there are many people selling good soup the "no soup for you" strategy may protect one's ego, but if it comes down to you can have some money, or no money, wouldn't it make more sense to put one's ego aside and take some money vs none at all?

Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 08:57 PM
Well that's fascinating. I guess you decided being a second class citizen wasn't so bad after all?
To me it seems fairly intuitive that a "regular" relationship would by nature have some advantages to the customer over the "non-regular" or else no customer would cultivate it. It similarly seems obvious that if you are using your repeat and frequent business as leverage to get more time or better time, that it is kind of on the table that you sort have to pony up the repeat and frequent business. But you know. I'm just a stripper. What would I know about stripping?

I don't know where you got I appreciate being a second class citizen from that. :O

I'm starting to think maybe the problem is that I am not an ordinary strip-club customer. I am fairly jaded and all the regular moves don't work on me. I don't care to be sold. I'm not generally partial to the "sweet talk". I enjoy straight talk about life. I like interesting talk about politics. I like to know what they are studing in school and if it excites or bores them. And when it comes to who I choose to dance with I can tell by watching her walk across the floor. If I can sense the cat in the rolling of her shoulders as she moves she's the one for me. I'm 100% Leo [my birthday is in a couple of weeks] looking for a loiness who is going to respect the lion in me. {chuckling good naturedly} Damn that was corny. I promise you I don't take myself all that seriously. [I know, you don't take me all that seriously either.] ;D

crizgolfer
07-17-2007, 09:03 PM
Anyway.., the soup Nazi could play the no soup for you game because there was nobody else selling good soup. No competition makes that possible. Problem is when there are many people selling good soup the "no soup for you" strategy may protect one's ego, but if it comes down to you can have some money, or no money, wouldn't it make more sense to put one's ego aside and take some money vs none at all?

I agree with you in principle, but....the way LuckyOne presented it was pretty damn sexy. She could own me with that and I would pay for the pleasure...;)

Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 09:07 PM
Just cuz we got the same buttcrack thing going on doesn't mean strippers are like plumbers. ;) Plumbers are laborers. Strippers are salespeople. Furthermore, we are salespeople who work strictly on commission.

No. In most cases both plumbers and dancers alike are independent contractors, working for themselves [the clubs don't pay you, right... you pay them to use their facilities to ply your trade, though they should allow you to set your own rates and make, within reason, your own rules just like other independent contractors] and selling a service.

The service the plumber sells is a repair or installation service. The service the dancer sells is entertainment. And you aren't commission based. You are fee based.

Doctors, lawyers, accountants, dancers: Fee based service providers.

Bus drivers, dock workers, construction works: hourly wage earning laborers.

See the dif?

Pan Dah
07-17-2007, 09:09 PM
I think this is a geographical thing too. In our neck of the woods, you don't pay for dancer's time. You usually tip her well on stage and then buy/not buy a dance. If she chooses to sit with you to try to push the sale, it's her choice.
Interesting... Thanks for the background.

My club is about three miles from the NJ border, so I guess some of the same "culture" applies. This helps me understand a lot of the posts from other areas better.

There seems to be a corollary that most of the dancers don't spend much time at all sitting and chatting. (Being a juice bar probably contributes to that too?) I consider it a long conversation if it gets to "Hi, how are you? Haven't seen you in a while. Would you like a dance?" (with 10 second answers interspersed...). More conversation takes place IN the lap dance area than out on the floor. That's why I'm always amazed by posts on here starting "I spent half an hour sitting with this [insert expletive of choice]...".

To get back on topic, I'm also more used to favorites encouraging me to get dances with others rather than pitching a fit if I do. I can't imagine I would react well to one who blatantly acted like she "owned" me, but maybe they're good enough at Cameron's type of analysis to figure this out and use reverse psychology instead. But if it works for some of you on certain customers, then good for you, go for it.

Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 09:10 PM
This is not so in most other parts of the world though. Seems only to be yet another sucky NWNJ Jersey thing.

Well, maybe a sucky NY-PA-NNJ thing. :)

crizgolfer
07-17-2007, 09:26 PM
Interesting... Thanks for the background.

My club is about three miles from the NJ border, so I guess some of the same "culture" applies. This helps me understand a lot of the posts from other areas better.

I spend most of my time in Midwest clubs and I am kind of curious to know how common tipping for talk really is. If I call a dancer over to join me and then after a couple songs I realize it is going nowhere and I won't be buying dances I still tip her (since I asked her to join me). I get suprised looks a lot when I do this. I am not tipping them big money (just $20), but still it makes me wonder how many times they actually receive tips like this.

LuckyOne
07-17-2007, 10:21 PM
My office, my rules. ;D

Now, NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU!!!

doc-catfish
07-17-2007, 10:43 PM
My fave here razzed me a little when I told her I "cheated" on her last month, and that I was a bit dissatisfied with the results of my philandering. I got a well deserved "serves you right, you bad boy". And then she well...."punished" me.
:bullwhip:

Of course I paid her to do all that, so that whole scene was all within the bounds of play acting. In the context of reality, I would never want her to get that possessive and I think she understands that.

But she happily took my business, so I guess I'm still good enough to buy her soup. :D

xdamage
07-18-2007, 07:36 AM
My office, my rules. ;D

Now, NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU!!!

In the end, the only thing that really matters is do what works. If this strategy works go for it. There are plenty of guys out there who want the woman to take control.

bem401
07-18-2007, 05:12 PM
Well good for u. None of the girls ask for the drinks, these customers are gentlemen who offer any lady who is standing near them a drink when the drink waitress comes around.
They are not the type of people who 8 dollars means anything to either.

Ahhhhh, but some girls do ask. I think its inappropriate to ask. Now let me get myself in hot water with both sides. Ladies first.....

No girl is entitled to a drink because she is standing near me or chose to sit next to me. Had I signaled her over it would be a different story. Where else on Earth would you be expected to buy a drink for someone you neither know nor likely care to know?

What is the deal with what has been coined " tipping for talking? ". There are very few people in the world who I find interesting enough to pay to have a conversation with. I will admit however that in my world a dancer/aquaintance of mine would have qualified had I bothered to make a list. Absolutely fascinating woman. ( I bought the drinks, the conversation was free ). Generally speaking, I can't imagine what any person, let alone any dancer, would have to say to me that would make me want to give them money for the experience of listening to them.

Now if Blue is doing the talking. Is it really possible that there is not a single person in the world closer to you than a dancer to discuss your problems with ( or whatever it is you are paying to discuss ). If you are getting something off your chest, wouldn't it be better to do that with someone who really gave a damn about you and would listen to you for free. I'm not knocking the girls here, but nobody really wants to listen to anybody else's problems, especially if they don't know the person to any significant degree. They probably should get paid for listening. My dancer friends , when asked about this, have responded : " hey, if he wants to pay me to talk, talk away ".