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NikkiNikki
11-26-2007, 07:12 AM
I guess that I wasn't getting the point across too clearly with my use of the 'Manhattan club business model' euphemism. Thanks for being blunt, as aspiring out-of-town dancers really need to know what they're facing by coming to Manhattan.
Yeah. Totally. I finally left Hustler after pushing my patience far beyond what i thought I was capable of. I'm sure there are clean girls in there that make money but I assume these girls may have had their customers for a while. I really can't compete with what I'm told goes on in these rooms (I've been told by many of the staff there and they have no reason to lie about it). In fact, I witnessed one dancer (I use this term very loosely) came up to the changeroom (three sheets to the wind so she didn't notice what I'm about to describe) with the crusting remnant evidence of a man's explosion on her neck and chest :crazy: Revolting.
I've since gone back to my original club and both my sanity and pocketbook are faring much better as a result!
Eric Stoner
11-26-2007, 04:14 PM
Melonie is right. From my experience NYC clubs are a hassle in more ways than one. I would also interject that Manhattan clubs are reeeeeeally dirty... extras abound in the VIP and no one gives a fuck. The hosts look the other way as long as their palm gets greased. I'm not saying that every dancer in NYC is doing extras... but it is way hard for the clean girls to make tons of money. There are so many good looking, model quality girls that are willing to suck and fuck for the right price.
Aside from the filth, NYC will have you paying out a lot. An acquaintance of mine, who is a housemom at I guess the second or third best club in Manhattan, suggests that girls tip the hosts 40-50% of their share from the VIP rooms. The idea is that they'll hook the girls up with the bigger spenders as long as they know they will get a cut.
Maybe you're afraid of the wrong state?
40-50 % ???? Maybe at Scores. Probably at Scores as a matter of fact but NOT
at Hustler afaik or even PEC. Yes, there's tipping of the hosts for setting you up with a "whale" but it's usually $100. Btw, take what the housemom says in this regard with a grain of salt. She is NOT doing any setting up; not at any club I know about and technically she is supposed to be "shocked ; SHOCKED ! " that extras are occuring on the premises and it's NOT a good idea to confice in her.
Knowledge is power and there is NO REASON to key her in.
Sophia_Starina
11-26-2007, 04:19 PM
^^^ Bingo, it was a Scores housemom.
Eric Stoner
11-26-2007, 04:23 PM
^^^ Bingo, it was a Scores housemom.
Why isn't THAT surprising ? One of a dozen reasons I can't stand the place.
They rip off the custies AND gouge the dancers.
Sophia_Starina
11-26-2007, 04:25 PM
The top tier clubs seem to see regimented extortion as a form of legitimate business. Go Figure...
Eric Stoner
11-26-2007, 04:36 PM
The top tier clubs seem to see regimented extortion as a form of legitimate business. Go Figure...
Yes & No. Scores is in a class by itself in that regard. So many horror stories as to leave all others way behind.
Tip-outs and house fees are SOP for any serious Manhattan club where you can make good money. Some are more fair ( less exploitative) than others. Afaik and from what I'm told by my dancer gal pals- Hustler is the best deal for right now.
Sophia_Starina
11-26-2007, 04:38 PM
I heard that too... but as you can see from the first post in this thread... there are some MAJOR flaws.
Eric Stoner
11-26-2007, 06:09 PM
I heard that too... but as you can see from the first post in this thread... there are some MAJOR flaws.
As compared to what ? Scores ? Compared to Scores , Hustler is a good deal.
Compared to PEC ? A different story assuming you could get hired there AND
know how to make money there. It's a little easier at Hustler.
Sophia_Starina
11-26-2007, 06:25 PM
No... Eric, you misunderstand. I head that Hustler is the "place to be" at the moment. I think Kikiwiki pointed out some big problems (regardless of how fabulous it is). So if a girl can stomach that, Hustler may a good club to work at.
laurcon
11-26-2007, 11:00 PM
i'm loving working at hustler right now. SOOOOOOOOOO much better than scores. eric is completely right about the place. the manager at hustler actually told me not to tip as much as i was about to tip some one once (forget which position of course).
he said like "you don't need to over-tip", i was shocked and relieved. the staff is super friendly, but i can't figure out the whole host thing still. i've only been there for about a month now though, so i'm sure with time i'll eventually get hosts to send me to a room or two. w/o doing extras. if not, i've been doing somewhat decent with landing the rooms on my own and i know i will get better at that with more sales practice and experience.
Sophia_Starina
11-26-2007, 11:16 PM
Kudos laurcon, I'm glad that things are going well. Keep Kicking Ass!
masala
11-27-2007, 08:15 AM
are there girls that have stretch marks in this club on their stomachs. i usually just keep my dress on to cover them but i know some places are strict with taking the dress completely off.
Eric Stoner
11-27-2007, 08:30 AM
are there girls that have stretch marks in this club on their stomachs. i usually just keep my dress on to cover them but i know some places are strict with taking the dress completely off.
Without meaning to be or appear to be insensitive,it would not be a good selling point and from what I've seen the dresses come COMPLETELY off during table dances. Take a good zinc supplement if the marks aren't too old and there are creams that will minimize their appearance. Hopefully you won't need a tummy tuck
Eric Stoner
11-27-2007, 08:34 AM
No... Eric, you misunderstand. I head that Hustler is the "place to be" at the moment. I think Kikiwiki pointed out some big problems (regardless of how fabulous it is). So if a girl can stomach that, Hustler may a good club to work at.
Again, what are we talking about ? Extras ? Number one, they are NOT required and two , they are a fact of life in today's Manhattan strip scene. Not everyone does them ; not every dancer who does them does them for everybody. Even at Cheetah's where they prided themselves on a strict "no extras"policy,extras are now available.
hustlebunny
11-27-2007, 08:45 AM
Extras are running rampant in manhattan clubs (Scores, PEC, Hustler). There are girls that have their customers and have been in the game for a long time that remain clean and make money. I have been stopped at the door of vip rooms that i was specifically requested to come into by one guy of a group. I peek in and see the girls who have admitted to me to doing blow jobs etc already seated inside. The rest of us who did the whole hustle the group and put in time were left standing outside with no explaination other than "we didn't make the cut". Management is in on it, owners are in on it bouncers are in on it.
I know that I cannot compete with that element and focus on the rest...I may not be making as much as them but I am able to live and save money every month and have my sanity and pride in tact. To each her own...
Eric Stoner
11-27-2007, 08:45 AM
i'm loving working at hustler right now. SOOOOOOOOOO much better than scores. eric is completely right about the place. the manager at hustler actually told me not to tip as much as i was about to tip some one once (forget which position of course).
he said like "you don't need to over-tip", i was shocked and relieved. the staff is super friendly, but i can't figure out the whole host thing still. i've only been there for about a month now though, so i'm sure with time i'll eventually get hosts to send me to a room or two. w/o doing extras. if not, i've been doing somewhat decent with landing the rooms on my own and i know i will get better at that with more sales practice and experience.
For the most part Hustler "Hosts" are glorified bouncers who btw are MUCH more professional and customer friendly than the goons at Scores. There are a few actual hosts whose primary job is to seat guys at tables and who will ( if they
KNOW both sides ) help arrange things in the VIP. They will steer "whales" to certain dancers and they definitely expect to be taken care of- sometimes by BOTH custie and dancer. $100 each is standard for an extras girl and from a custie ordering extras; less if no extras are involved.
What they do NOT do afaik is prey on the dancers like the Scores "goon squad" does. They do NOT extort money or sexual favors from the dancers. They do NOT demand and get %'s for VIP & Champagne Rooms. They don't hustle the custies. One of the Scores "classics" were the guys who would pocket a fee from a trusting custie to set him up with a dancer OTC. For the most part, the dancers have no idea they were being "marketed" and of course they never showed up at teh appointed place and time.
Eric Stoner
11-27-2007, 08:55 AM
Extras are running rampantin manhattan clubs (Scores, PEC, Hustler). There are girls that have their customers and have been in the game foralong time that remain clean and make money but I have been stopped atthe door of vip rooms ive been asked to comeinto only to peek in and see the girls who have admitted to me to doing blow jobs etc already seated inside while the rest of us who did the whole hustle the group were left standing outside with no explaination other than "we didn't make the cut". Management is in on it, owners are in on it bouncers are in on it. I just know that i cannot compete with that element and focus on the rest...i may not be making asmuch as them but i am able to live and save money every month and have mysanity and pride in tact.
Again, what are we talking about ? What club ? At any club you care to mention the custie has to pay for each dancer in the VIP Room. If extras are involved then he's paying extra. I think that's why they're called "extras". Just saying you "didn't make the cut" could mean a bunch of different things- you weren't to the custie's taste ; he thought 3 girls was enough and didn't need a 4th ; he didn't want to go "over budget" OR he was told that you were, ahem, "limited" in performance and couldn't be bothered.
Whatever it was, don't waste time worrying about it. Just move on and keep working as clean as you can because that is obviously what is best suited for you.
hustlebunny
11-28-2007, 09:20 AM
it was because I don't give blow jobs. I try my best to not think about it and keep it clean, what else can one do?
Eric Stoner
11-28-2007, 12:03 PM
it was because I don't give blow jobs. I try my best to not think about it and keep it clean, what else can one do?
As I said : Don't worry about it. Obviously , not every dancer does extras and not every custie wants them.
kikiwiki
12-08-2007, 05:08 PM
Worked Hustler last night. Place was busy but not packed. Heard it was considered slow for them. Many girls complaining about money. It is heavily saturated with girls, many from who I know from Vegas. Many are from out of town, long island and jersey and they are very beautiful.
I was solicited several times, and one dancer told me that doing coke and lowering my standards in the back room helps make money. I'm serious everybody. No one is discreet about talking about the shit that goes on in the CR's. It's like the norm in NYC strip clubs. I couldn't help but laugh out loud to myself at the end of the night of how rediculous the industry has become in NYC.
I made a little money though, like $130 after fees and tip out! And I worked my ass off, literally, for every dollar. And all I danced for tried to grab me uncontrollably one way or another. I hope this was just the weekend crowd. I will try again on monday.
It is, however, the busiest club to be in NYC right now. If every club in NYC is going to have that enormous fee, I might as well work at a place where it's going to fill it up with bodies where I'll have more chance to make some money....
Ebony
12-08-2007, 09:15 PM
Kiki thanks for your honset post. Everything that glitters in NYC is definitly not gold. A few of my friends worked last night at Huster and they said the same thing. They all left early and said there were alot of girls working. Many of them work in NJ and told me they will still work at Hustler but rather work in NJ because they are guaranteed at least $500 working at their usual clubs. Is the crowd during the week much better?
Do you have any input on Hustler?
kikiwiki
12-09-2007, 10:22 AM
I will find out as I work tomorrow and rest of the week at Hustler. Not taking the risk of paying out more than I make, I'm going to go in at 6pm. House fee is $60 until 6:31, that's when it jumps to $120! Insane!!!!
NikkiNikki
12-09-2007, 03:26 PM
I will find out as I work tomorrow and rest of the week at Hustler. Not taking the risk of paying out more than I make, I'm going to go in at 6pm. House fee is $60 until 6:31, that's when it jumps to $120! Insane!!!!
That's what I was doing (going in early, I mean) for the last days I was working there... I seriously was struggling to make money at that club for all the aforementioned reasons... I finally left because when I was doing the math of what I was earning per hour, it didn't justify the means of obtaining such a trifling wage. Seriously. I sincerely hope things pick up for you this week. If I'd seen this earlier I'd have suggested going in today as there is no house fee and it actually gets half decent on Sundays, surprisingly. New York is definitely not the same for dancing even compared to a year ago. This time last year I was effortlessly making grrrreat money without having to compete with extras and such. Sigh... :-\ I think making clean money at that club lies in having regulars you've known for years. I have a girlfriend who banks clean money there but she's been dancing for something close to 7 years so she has a roster of customers who follow her to whichever club she's at.
Optimist
12-09-2007, 08:34 PM
This is starting to sound waaay too much like Houston and southern Florida!! Pretty bad!
Hopefully Monday will be waaaay better Kiki!
laurcon
12-09-2007, 10:51 PM
if i get a room, i generally make a lot. i'd say 1 out of 3 shifts i get a room.
otherwise, there are generally enough empty laps in the club to dance out about $300 after tip out.
the management is great too!
Eric Stoner
12-10-2007, 07:52 AM
Worked Hustler last night. Place was busy but not packed. Heard it was considered slow for them. Many girls complaining about money. It is heavily saturated with girls, many from who I know from Vegas. Many are from out of town, long island and jersey and they are very beautiful.
I was solicited several times, and one dancer told me that doing coke and lowering my standards in the back room helps make money. I'm serious everybody. No one is discreet about talking about the shit that goes on in the CR's. It's like the norm in NYC strip clubs. I couldn't help but laugh out loud to myself at the end of the night of how rediculous the industry has become in NYC.
I made a little money though, like $130 after fees and tip out! And I worked my ass off, literally, for every dollar. And all I danced for tried to grab me uncontrollably one way or another. I hope this was just the weekend crowd. I will try again on monday.
It is, however, the busiest club to be in NYC right now. If every club in NYC is going to have that enormous fee, I might as well work at a place where it's going to fill it up with bodies where I'll have more chance to make some money....
There are things about Hustler ( and PEC; couldn't care less about Scores) that make me shake my head. Leaving the extras aside ( they're part of the scene and EVERYONE is sufficiently "interested" to leave well enough alone) what baffles me is the drug use.
NOTHING draws LE attention like drugs. Nothing makes a minor beef into a felony rap like drugs. Nothing would place the Liquor License in greater jeopardy than a few drug busts. If I worked at Hustler I'd be much more concerned about dancers doing drugs than doing extras. If I were a dancer I wouldn't care what other dancers were doing UNLESS drugs were involved.
Vyanka
12-10-2007, 08:16 AM
Damn, that is bad. See, I read stuff like this and I get discouraged. I don't think I even want to work in NYC. Doesn't sound like it's worth it. :-\
Eric Stoner
12-10-2007, 11:24 AM
Damn, that is bad. See, I read stuff like this and I get discouraged. I don't think I even want to work in NYC. Doesn't sound like it's worth it. :-\
Let's not go overboard. It is DEFINITELY possible to do well at Hustler and some other NYC clubs without doing extras.
Fortunately, drug use is not a big issue at most clubs. It's not like Studio in the 70''s or The Tunnel a few years ago. There is some. Some dancers do it IN the club and some do it with custies in the VIP. While not necessarily common it definitely does happen and afaik mgt.turns the same blind eye that they do with extras.
I think that is both foolish and shortsighted but it's reality.
Vyanka
12-10-2007, 11:43 AM
You're right, but then again that was on a wknd. I'd like to hear about the week days.
kikiwiki
12-10-2007, 01:36 PM
if i get a room, i generally make a lot. i'd say 1 out of 3 shifts i get a room.
otherwise, there are generally enough empty laps in the club to dance out about $300 after tip out.
the management is great too!
I agree that management is great when it comes to giving you the heads up on how to make money. They give you all the options and they leave it up to you to make the decision on how you want to make your money. For example: they stress on tipping in funny money, they give you a warning if you're on the verge of being fired, they don't yell and are very professional. I think these things are very important if you want to keep dancers coming back. Yea, they look away if girls are doing drugs and extras, it's not good for us and the industry, but at least they have managed to keep this place busy in this slow economy and competition from bigger clubs like scores and PEC.
kikiwiki
12-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Worked last night. Again, this is probably the busiest club in NYC right now and it wasn't even busy. Many girls told me this season is much slower than last year. There were many girls but the number of custies did not out number them. It's really rough this season. This economy is shit. I only have a week left here so I'm going to rough it out.
Learned something new last night: sell champagne and you get a free house fee! Sweet! that's like getting tipped $120!!!
Sitara7817
12-16-2007, 02:16 AM
Hi everyone. . . I'm back on stripperweb after a hiatus. Too many classes! Anyway.
Kiki- The fact that the manager said that extras are ok is scary! We all know that a customer most likely will get a girl who will do extras instead of a girl who wont when each cost the same. What about diseases or getting raided? how do they not know that a potential "dancer" is not some female cop who could get the club shut down? I'm shocked to hear that a manager said that to a dancer. .
Aubreyyy
12-16-2007, 03:37 AM
I'm so glad I didn't go to a big club like Hustler or PEC. My boyfriend and his friends would tell me about what they paid to do at these clubs and it made me shiver!
Now I'm at Flash, and even though I'm just waitressing now (my boyfriend needs to be talked into being okay with me dancing and I'm not ready to lie and cover it up) I usually go back to the lounge at least once a shift, and I've never seen any appalling extras.
kikiwiki
12-16-2007, 01:45 PM
To tally up my trip to NYC Hustler for Dec '07 season:
If you have a place to stay for free, you'll make some profit... LOL
I will definitely go back. There is some money here even if you're not an extras girl. They are being tight on the schedule though. You will have to work a weekend and monday to get on thier good side. It's sad you need to compete with extras girls and drugs but if you are good at your game, you can still make good money at this place. Thanks for all the tips SW and Britanyireland!
xxxblueeyesxxx
12-16-2007, 02:59 PM
I've been at Hustler for several months now, and was originally making bank (see my post in Hustle forum), but then got sooo burnt out that I couldn't even remember how it was that I had been making so much $.
Like, I would go into work, and do exactly the same thing I had been doing for months before only to receive a COMPLETELY different response from custies. BOTH monetarily and emotionally. It was like I couldn't do anything right in the custies eyes. Everything from the way I looked (I was no longer "hot hot hot!!") to how they reacted to my hustle. I used to be able to sell water to a goldfish. All of a sudden, I wasn't able to see pizza sauce to a pizza maker! (*where the h*ll did I come up with that??? lol)
I've taken time off (I KNOW, if I'm gonna take time off in NYC, I should do it in Jan) But, I simply can't bring myself to work 8 hrs, and go home with under $100.00 (after tipout). Granted, that's $12.50/hr, but for that kinda $, I'll go find a receptionist job for like, $11 bucks an hour where I get to keep my clothes on! Plus things like oh, I dunno, medical, sick leave, vacation days, workmen's comp, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the ability to engage the following right: when a man at work asks me how much a blow job ::) costs (mind you, asked in the same manner that one would use to ask me if I knew where the men's room was) I could SUE THE HECK OUTTA THEIR IMPOTENT LITTLE BUTTS }:D
This is NOT NOT NOT a rant toward Hustler. I really enjoyed working there, and plan on going back (bills, bills, bills). It was really just feeling like it was ME. That I was doing something different or worse than in the past. But thinking about it now, I'm thinking that while I do make bank (or should I say did), and I am a good hustler, attractive, etc, with the amount of girls they have brought in (BTW to those that say that they are not hiring - I see at LEAST three new girls waiting for orientation every night that he is holding it. Which is I BELIEVE to be twice per week) maybe it's just guys being "guys". i.e. knowing if they hold out long enough, they can find their physical "type" of girl who also maintains the mentality they desire: passive, puts up with endless bullsh*t, and will promise/do whatever they gotta to get into one of those G*d for saken rooms!!
Pls. note:
a) I am NOT trying to insinuate that the only girls getting rooms this time of year (or any time of year) are doing extras. There are many that have regulars, are EXCEPTIONAL hustlers, etc.
b) Those of you who ask about hiring. Yes, they are hiring. You have to look GOOD. I suspect that it you try mid January, they may be more easygoing in that area.
c) I am not questioning the level of extras or drugs that go on there. I also continually see alot of heated debate on SW regarding what qualifies as an "extra". I consider it to be any of the following:
*Custie touching genital area of dancer with hands and/or mouth
*Custie touching his own genital area either through or underneath his pants *Dancer touching genital area of custie with hands and/or mouth
*Kissing (all I can think of is cold sores and unbrushed teeth :O )
*Friction dances that are clearly intended as a way for the custie to ejaculate
*Oh, and while this one seems pretty obvious I'll include it anyway. duh(!) sexual intercourse :)
Yes, there is a difference between friction dances that are meant to entice and those done with one simple ending in mind: A happy one >:(
While I state there is a difference, I feel the urge to also clarify that I DO NOT do either kind of friction dancing. Just not my style.
Anyway, point is, now that you know MY idea of extras, I will state that I have NEVER seen, or heard of EITHER going on. But then again, I may just not be "in the loop" lol.
I like Hustler. I like management. Tipouts (while high) are normal for a highend NYC club. I don't feel extorted. We can wear *almost* whatever we want. It's never dead dead, and rarely really slow. Lotta nice custies with money to spend. JUST TOO MANY GIRLS right now!!
If you currently work there, and wanna chat, feel free to PM me. I am interested in the ongoings since I've been out.
laurcon
12-19-2007, 10:36 PM
great post girl, def hit the nail on the head. i needed a break tonight too.
only thing unfort, the extras go on but only with the approval of the host.
hence maybe why he sends back certain girls and some girls work there but "only do VIP" wtf is that??
Eric Stoner
12-20-2007, 08:44 AM
great post girl, def hit the nail on the head. i needed a break tonight too.
only thing unfort, the extras go on but only with the approval of the host.
hence maybe why he sends back certain girls and some girls work there but "only do VIP" wtf is that??
Because putting them on stage is a waste. That's NOT where they and the club make money.
xxxblueeyesxxx
12-21-2007, 08:05 AM
BTW, Hustler has been mobbed the last two days. Like, can't find an empty chair to give an LD kinda busy. Ten minute waits for rooms. I've taken to trying to distract them while waiting for a room like they're four year olds.::) Lotsa, LOTSA, Lotsa girls though!!
Feels kinda like a "Vegas hustle" environment.
Gotta love the good nights. }:D
Eric Stoner
12-22-2007, 12:10 PM
BTW, Hustler has been mobbed the last two days. Like, can't find an empty chair to give an LD kinda busy. Ten minute waits for rooms. I've taken to trying to distract them while waiting for a room like they're four year olds.::) Lotsa, LOTSA, Lotsa girls though!!
Feels kinda like a "Vegas hustle" environment.
Gotta love the good nights. }:D
It' s Christmas Bonus time; it's Christmas Bonus time.
xxxblueeyesxxx
12-22-2007, 02:06 PM
It' s Christmas Bonus time; it's Christmas Bonus time.
}:D;D
kikiwiki
12-22-2007, 02:58 PM
Damn I kinda wish I never left NYC to go to PR. It sucks here. At least I got the warm weather, beaches and great food! I wish I met you blue eyes! Next time soon! Good luck at Hustler !
Aubreyyy
12-22-2007, 03:02 PM
Think I'm auditioning after my holiday at Hustler... Do you think enough girls take it easy in Jan to be able to get hired?
Melonie
12-23-2007, 03:32 AM
^^^ probably. But
- the customer Christmas bonus money will also be gone
- customer take-home paychecks will drop as Social Security tax kicks back in (almost every customer in NYC earns more than the $90k a year cutoff on SSI taxes)
- cold and snow will cause lots of guys to head straight home after work, and will keep a lot of tourists away.
- heating bills, estimated tax payments, credit card bills left over from Christmas etc. will cause lots of guys to cut back on their 'discretionary' spending
in other words, there are very good reasons that some dancers will be leaving Manhattan clubs in January !!!
Aubreyyy
12-23-2007, 08:04 AM
^^^
I dont care if I dont bank lol, I just need some kind of income for the month, as I just left the club I was at due to an :O-ing witness of "extras"
Ebony
12-23-2007, 10:18 AM
I personally think that this year Januray and February will be good in NYC. Alot of people in the financial arena are getting their bonuses after December. I even talked to a few guys and they said they are getting their bonuses in Feb! All girls I know who have worked in NYC in the past (2 -5 years ago) said this bonus season has been a dud.. Where some girls were making like 8G's some nights due to the influx of clients with hefty bonuses are now complaining because they ONLY made $1500 (I wish I had that problem ;D)..
Plus their will be a migration of NYC girls to Vegas for convension season. If you want to work in NYC go the day after New Years, they will be hungry for girls. I was going to take advantage this December at Hustler but I went the other night to visit a friend and to check out the scene I will admit it was packed with guys but even more packed with girls.. No where to give a dance, no where to sit. Line for the VIP line for the honey hives.. Good for some girls but probably bad for most. One girl I know left with $40 that night :O , I worked in NJ that same night and made more that 10X what she made at a gogo bar.. You never know, I say try it out and see.
Aubreyyy
12-23-2007, 12:00 PM
Yay! The day after New Years was when I was planning on auditioning
xxxblueeyesxxx
12-23-2007, 04:42 PM
There are definitely ALOT of girls that are planning on leaving in the next two weeks for vegas. Like, MANY of the house girls are doing the convention thing, as well as the girls from out of state, whom are going back to wherever they came from.
Ebony, I also think it will be an okay couple of months. Also, I think that the girls who are making money in the "busy" season, are going to make money in the "slow" season as well.
IMHO, even though there are more custies in the busy season, the ratio stays relatively the same, due to such a huge increase in dancers (especially in a highly advertised place such as NYC). Therefore, the girls that were able to consistently do well no matter how big the competition, will be the same ones to get the custies when there are less of 'em.
Kiki, I wish I had gotten to meet you, as well! But at least you're getting some sun! It's sleeting here >:( When are you planning on doing Manhattan again?
Eric Stoner
12-26-2007, 10:09 AM
^^^ probably. But
- the customer Christmas bonus money will also be gone
- customer take-home paychecks will drop as Social Security tax kicks back in (almost every customer in NYC earns more than the $90k a year cutoff on SSI taxes)
- cold and snow will cause lots of guys to head straight home after work, and will keep a lot of tourists away.
- heating bills, estimated tax payments, credit card bills left over from Christmas etc. will cause lots of guys to cut back on their 'discretionary' spending
in other words, there are very good reasons that some dancers will be leaving Manhattan clubs in January !!!
Everybody, at every club I go to is bitching about the drop-off in earnings this year. Christmas bonuses for the Wall Streeters were good, not great, but they're NOT spending it on dancers. Foreigners, who get a terrific bargain on the weak dollar aren't coming into the clubs in droves ( maybe they all brought their wives, girlfriends or mistresses ). All in all it's just a down year and the clubs are glutted with dancers. Especially Hustler.
Sophia_Starina
12-26-2007, 11:47 AM
Everybody, at every club I go to is bitching about the drop-off in earnings this year. Christmas bonuses for the Wall Streeters were good, not great, but they're NOT spending it on dancers. Foreigners, who get a terrific bargain on the weak dollar aren't coming into the clubs in droves ( maybe they all brought their wives, girlfriends or mistresses ). All in all it's just a down year and the clubs are glutted with dancers. Especially Hustler.
Any predictions for next year?
Eric Stoner
12-26-2007, 01:21 PM
Any predictions for next year?
It's PROBABLY going to be flat i.e. about the same as this year. BUT, all this negative talk about a possible recession could snowball into a self-fulfilling prophecy and then we'll see a dramatic drop-off.
If I were dancing, I'd cut my expenses to the bone and sock away as much as I could until it's clear which way the economic winds are blowing.