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TheSexKitten
07-27-2007, 12:55 PM
I don't have a problem with the "Unforgivable Curses" because the law against them was obviously no longer in effect, and it was war. I mean, killing someone in peacetime is a dramatically different situation from killing someone in battle. And killing an active Death Eater saves innocent lives; Bellatrix Lestrange would have kept on killing and killing if Mrs. Weasley hadn't killed her first. The Cruciatus Curse is a grey area but I think it's one of those understandable things that happens in the middle of heated battle.

Totally agreed. In fact, I was actually really glad everyone finally started to use them... I mean, come on! How much time can you waste stunning people at a time like that?!

I just now finished the book and I feel like I'm soaring. Aside from the epilogue (LAME), it was brilliant. I sobbed, I laughed, I felt fear and apprehension... I was SO DAMN GLAD that the stupid childish idea of "oh all Slytherins are just bad and everyone else is just good" was diminished (to an extent) with the revelation of Snape and the Malfoys' characters.

One question, though... I'm sure I missed it somewhere, but how did they decide that the Cup and the tiara were Horcruxes exactly? Why did they randomly decide that his (Voldemort's) horcruxes would be in relation to Rowena Ravenclaw? That seemed kind of random, but maybe I should go back and read again.

The epilogue was super duper fucking lame. Oh, terriffic. Harry married Ginny, a girl who didn't matter at ALL in the plot until the end of the story, and Hermione and Ron hooked up. How predictable. ::)

Not to mention that Harry should have been much more than just "famous", he should have been Minister of Magic, or even headmaster, or just SOMETHING! I mean, in most of the books is really was just luck and raw nerve that got him through problems, but he SERIOUSLY proved himself. His accomplishments, IMO, were more than Dumbledore and Jesus combined! There was no reference as to how important and historical those last few years were.

More later, I'm gonna go think. (And probably masturbate--the book was just that good)

TheSexKitten
07-27-2007, 03:47 PM
Also, the whole story was very Nazi Germany.

Littlelo
07-27-2007, 04:31 PM
Not to mention that Harry should have been much more than just "famous", he should have been Minister of Magic, or even headmaster, or just SOMETHING! I mean, in most of the books is really was just luck and raw nerve that got him through problems, but he SERIOUSLY proved himself. His accomplishments, IMO, were more than Dumbledore and Jesus combined! There was no reference as to how important and historical those last few years were.



Here's an article about an interview where Jo talks about what the trio does after the conclusion. I'd say they definately do "something". :)

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323

TheSexKitten
07-27-2007, 04:41 PM
Yay! :heartbeat

Thanks, Littlelo, I love you. :hug:

austinatalie
07-27-2007, 04:49 PM
This may be glaringly obvious to some, but it has been bothering me since I finished the book a few hours ago. In the King's Cross Station Limbo, WTF was up with the "flayed child?" How come that didn't get more explanation? Was it the piece of Voldy or what?

TheSexKitten
07-27-2007, 04:53 PM
This may be glaringly obvious to some, but it has been bothering me since I finished the book a few hours ago. In the King's Cross Station Limbo, WTF was up with the "flayed child?" How come that didn't get more explanation? Was it the piece of Voldy or what?

I was also wondering that.

Maybe that's supposed to be Riddle when he got left and before he was taken to the orphanage?

Deni
07-27-2007, 06:51 PM
Here's an article about an interview where Jo talks about what the trio does after the conclusion. I'd say they definately do "something". :)

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323

Huzzah! That explained a lot of things that I wanted to know when I finished! Yay! ;D

Yekhefah
07-27-2007, 07:18 PM
One question, though... I'm sure I missed it somewhere, but how did they decide that the Cup and the tiara were Horcruxes exactly? Why did they randomly decide that his (Voldemort's) horcruxes would be in relation to Rowena Ravenclaw? That seemed kind of random, but maybe I should go back and read again.

Book six. When Dumbledore is teaching Harry about the Horcruxes, he establishes that Voldemort would want Horcruxes representing all four of the Hogwarts founders; Dumbledore already destroyed Slytherin's ring, and the only known relic of Griffyndor was the sword which Voldemort couldn't get to. There was a house-elf's memory of Voldemort stealing Hufflepuff's cup, so they knew that was a Horcrux, and that left them with the understanding that the remaining one would be something significant belonging to Ravenclaw. When they learned about the diadem, it figured that Voldemort would have made it a Horcrux.


The epilogue was super duper fucking lame. Oh, terriffic. Harry married Ginny, a girl who didn't matter at ALL in the plot until the end of the story, and Hermione and Ron hooked up. How predictable. ::)

Predictable, yes, but we wanted to see it. And how can you say Ginny never mattered? Ginny had a crush on Harry from the time she was ten years old, in book two Harry risked his life to save her, and they've had a mutual attraction since book five. In books six and seven, Harry wanted desperately to be with her but knew he couldn't because the Death Eaters would be likely to hurt her in order to get at him. Once Voldemort was conquered, they were finally free to be together.


Not to mention that Harry should have been much more than just "famous", he should have been Minister of Magic, or even headmaster, or just SOMETHING!

I think he says at the end that he's had enough trouble. His life has been plenty eventful enough already. Once Voldemort was conquered, I doubt Harry would have wanted anything more than to marry Ginny, settle down, and live a normal, happy life. It's what I'd want. And anyway Harry has never thought much of the Ministry. I am curious as to what he wound up doing for a living, but I doubt very much he would have wanted a position of power.

UtahMike
07-27-2007, 11:32 PM
This may be glaringly obvious to some, but it has been bothering me since I finished the book a few hours ago. In the King's Cross Station Limbo, WTF was up with the "flayed child?" How come that didn't get more explanation? Was it the piece of Voldy or what?
I thought it was supposed to be the piece of Voldemort's soul that had died with Harry. When Harry chose to back rather than to go on, we was then free of it.

PookaShell
07-27-2007, 11:55 PM
I haven't read this thread yet cause my computer battery sucks and I dont' have my own internet. But I will say that I've read it three times and

OH EM EFF GEE.

Loved.

Loved.

Ps. Loved.

It.

aggieed
07-28-2007, 07:24 AM
Anybody here surprised that Harry didn't die after all? I thought for sure that was going to be the case. In the days leading up to the book release I thought there would be a "Gladiator" type ending with Harry killing Voldemort, but at the same time, he would have been mortally wounded dying in Ron and Hermione's arms.

So in a sense I was disappointed that he didn't die.

Rowling has had a number of interviews in the last few days that explains a bit more about what was in the book and what was not. Apparently Mr. Weasley was the one person that was spared from death from her original draft. As for the epilogue she mentioned that her original draft was also much more detailed on what the main three characters were doing. I can't remember the details now, but I believe she said that Harry and Ron worked as Aurors and Hermione was doing something in Magical Law. Rowling is supposed to work on a Harry Encyclopedia sometime in the future that will explain all this.

By the way, I read the first few chapters as soon as I bought the book last Friday night, and when I read that Hedwig died I immediately said to myself, "That better not be one of the two main character deaths." LOL!

austinatalie
07-28-2007, 04:31 PM
Harry didn't need some amazing job, he already inherited loads of gold!

TheSexKitten
07-29-2007, 10:07 AM
Yek you set me straight. Thanks. ;D

I knew I should have re-read the books before the 7th one!

Either way, I'm off to have a re-read. :)

cameron_keys
07-30-2007, 01:42 PM
Loved it! I thought the epilogue was a bit happily-ever-after too...but it was the only way tp TRULY end it. I mean..even if Harry died...the fight could continue, he could come back as a ghost....it wouldnt have been a true end. This way...he's already lived his life, got married, had kids and is pushing 40. The story is over.

I was a bit confused too about how Neville got the sword...i would have liked a line or two of explanation for that.

But I can already see that fight scene on the big screen. Dear god..I can hear the theatre erupting in applause! Fabulous!!

Yekhefah
07-30-2007, 08:34 PM
The sword came out of the Sorting Hat, just like it did for Harry in Book 2. Goblin greed aside, the sword was Gryffindor's and the hat will get it to any Gryffindor who needs it.

Littlelo
07-30-2007, 09:57 PM
Here's a link to the recent webchat where Jo did a Q&A with fans. Soooo much info. :D

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/7/30/j-k-rowling-web-chat-transcript

cameron_keys
07-30-2007, 10:01 PM
I would also have had to kick Lucius Malfoy and family out of the celebration right quick. SPrry..tried to kill us, but please,,sit here while we celebrate?? NO...have grawp toss them into the forest...

Jenny
07-30-2007, 10:16 PM
The sword came out of the Sorting Hat, just like it did for Harry in Book 2. Goblin greed aside, the sword was Gryffindor's and the hat will get it to any Gryffindor who needs it.
I was bewildered by the Goblin morals there. Like - okay. I get there might have been confusion the first time. But... can't this issue be addressed through contract? It's not like it is this insurmountable issue that can never been bridged. The goblins could simply charge less, "lease" the property under particular conditions. I mean, you take the initial hit in the "charge less" but you can re-lease the object forever. I just really didn't think it was a good reason for all the goblin-human animosity.

Littlelo
07-30-2007, 10:27 PM
^^Yeah, but then again the Ministry doesn't exactly have a good track record for logical thinking and problem solving.