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xdamage
08-06-2007, 01:31 PM
Funny how this convo started with the dancer who adds a phantom dance to a her count to get more money from her custy. I still havent heard a dancer cry foul!!! Situational ethics indeed!!
Exactly. Lots more typing and emotional energy arguing about yet another on situation that is not completely in a dancer's favor, but still more or less complete apathy in regards to the customer rip off behavior (which some dancers benefit from). Situational ethics for sure.
yoda57us
08-06-2007, 02:05 PM
Aha, my disguise was very convincing then when we met yodachka!
Yeah it was! I guess I shoulda' been looking for an enlarged Adam's apple or a bulge in your "swimsuit area" Kat..../:O
bem401
08-06-2007, 02:21 PM
I still have my doubts about Bem's story. The numbers just don't add up. $3K in 3 months from someone who is an obvious and admitted cheapass? My experience tells me otherwise.
Why is it so hard to believe that a relative newbie visited a club with short money, mistakenly gave a large chunk of it to a dancer, was given it back by a considerate dancer and then started patronizing the club and the girl regularly? And what would my motivation be for making that up?
miabella
08-06-2007, 02:31 PM
oh, there are plenty of reasons.
Lapaholic
08-06-2007, 04:51 PM
^^^BEM this is a cynical crowd - well at least the ladies are - I believe u man.
Jenny - the triple chin and cheesy smell i can look past BUT those fat little knee bendy bits are definitely a deal breaker !!!
But i dont remember that BEM ever admitted to being a cheap bastard. He goofed and wasnt carrying a ton of dough that nite ... Wow they can eat u alive in here. Poor BEM - I knew him well ---
^^^BEM this is a cynical crowd - well at least the ladies are - I believe u man.
Jenny - the triple chin and cheesy smell i can look past BUT those fat little knee bendy bits are definitely a deal breaker !!!
But i dont remember that BEM ever admitted to being a cheap bastard. He goofed and wasnt carrying a ton of dough that nite ... Wow they can eat u alive in here. Poor BEM - I knew him well ---
Lap, the rules are casually enforced here in Blue. However, Jay and I do allow gorging on both sides of the aisle. I mean, in case you didn't notice.
FBR
mr_punk
08-06-2007, 08:52 PM
Jenny, your first response is why the reaction... you were very clear that if you were in the same situation you might "not" give it back. You've been back peddling and side-tracking since then.well, it's because she's dehydrated due to a lack of grape-flavored, "dancer support" kool-aid, x.
Why is it so hard to believe that a relative newbie visited a club with short money, mistakenly gave a large chunk of it to a dancer, was given it back by a considerate dancer and then started patronizing the club and the girl regularly?what do you expect? i mean, take a look at this thread. when also you consider most Latter-day Saints would feel perfectly entitled to keep your money. you can see why most would find the incident unfathomable. what else can i tell you, but strippers are pretty flaky lot.
LilyLove
08-07-2007, 02:37 AM
No one ever said you should assume it was a mistake and no one is saying you should confirm the guy tipped what he meant to tip. The question is : if both parties know the tip was in error, what do you do?
If we both realize it was a mistake, I give it back. In fact, something similar just happened to me recently. A young man gave me a ten dollar bill while I was circulating for tips after my show. I took it and thanked him. A moment later, as I was walking away he realized his mistake. I handed it back and took the two ones he took from me instead. Dissapointing yes, but whatever.
I do not think of it as a moral or ethical response on my part. Just good business. He never bought dances from me later, but there were other customers in close proximity/hearing distance who did buy dances. Obviously not because of some stupid "hooker with a heart of gold" thing though. They saw my tits and that I didn't act like a dramatic bitch on the floor and bought dances.
bem401
08-07-2007, 05:47 AM
If we both realize it was a mistake, I give it back. In fact, something similar just happened to me recently. A young man gave me a ten dollar bill while I was circulating for tips after my show. I took it and thanked him. A moment later, as I was walking away he realized his mistake. I handed it back and took the two ones he took from me instead. Dissapointing yes, but whatever.
I do not think of it as a moral or ethical response on my part. Just good business. He never bought dances from me later, but there were other customers in close proximity/hearing distance who did buy dances. Obviously not because of some stupid "hooker with a heart of gold" thing though. They saw my tits and that I didn't act like a dramatic bitch on the floor and bought dances.
Well Lily, I commend you for doing the right thing as did the dancer in my case. I wish it had turned your night into a blockbuster but apparently it didn't. I just think it is a good idea to treat others the way you'd want to be treated. The dancer in my case impressed me with her fairness. While I didn't become her customer because she treated me right, she probably wouldn't have had the chance to make me her customer had she reacted otherwise. I would certainly have chosen someone else to do my dances with had she left a sour taste in my mouth. Perhaps your customer will return someday show his appreciation, but as others have said here, its probably not likely.
xdamage
08-07-2007, 08:28 AM
If we both realize it was a mistake, I give it back. In fact, something similar just happened to me recently. ... I do not think of it as a moral or ethical response on my part. Just good business.
I think it's fine. Good behavior is good behavior regardless of whether or not the person doing so sees their reason for doing so as in their best interest (e.g., good business) or in the best interest of others.
Personally I don't believe in the "heart of gold" thing anyway, although I do believe in "karma" but not in the sense of some cosmic book keeping. I do think that for the most part we are just savages, a small step above the animals at best, and it's up to us (as a society) to raise the bar with regards to how we treat each other. In other words, it's in our own best interest as a society to treat each other (within reason) the way we would want to be treated in similar situations. Some people contribute more to the overall social good then others in this regard, though everyone benefits. The 'karma' such as it is, I see basically as when we treat others well, other human beings tend to pick up on that trait, and tend to reciprocate. Not always, but often enough that we have a sense that it is true. Likewise we tend to pick up on the completely self serving people, and we tend not to cut them any slack when they make a mistake. The old what goes around comes around idea.
So the bottom line is eventually everyone is going to make a mistake, very possibly an over tipping mistake. And everyone one of us will find out at that point how we feel about the situation when we make that mistake.
Me, I'd give the money back of course. I'd give it back because keeping $20 is worthless to me as compared with my belief in the notion that it's up to us people to raise the bar, and behave in ways that we would want to be treated. And maybe for the rest of my life I'll be out $20 I could have had if I had kept it. But my sense of right and wrong is far more important to me then $20. I suppose if I was starving then I'd weigh that differently, but in the overall picture I have my health, enough money, plenty of things already. My feeling is if someone has pretty much everything (looks, youth, education, a place to live, lives in a democratic society, has more money then 95% of the world's population, etc.) and still doesn't have any sense of charity and goodwill sufficient to return $20, then frankly I have no respect for them. Ethical or not, I don't have to like them.
Katrine
08-07-2007, 10:43 AM
Perhaps your customer will return someday show his appreciation, but as others have said here, its probably not likely.
Yes Lily, keep sitting at the bar and giving every customer their tips back in hope that your knight in shining armor might spend $20 on you 6 months for you. Atta girl..... bem=totaldouche::)
bem401
08-07-2007, 11:19 AM
Yes Lily, keep sitting at the bar and giving every customer their tips back in hope that your knight in shining armor might spend $20 on you 6 months for you. Atta girl..... bem=totaldouche::)
I suppose I should be offended by the preceding post, but it must be written in a form of stripperese that I am not familiar with. If the poster is right that I am a douche`, well at least I am a literate one.
mr_punk
08-09-2007, 09:52 AM
I just think it is a good idea to treat others the way you'd want to be treated. The dancer in my case impressed me with her fairness. While I didn't become her customer because she treated me right, she probably wouldn't have had the chance to make me her customer had she reacted otherwise. I would certainly have chosen someone else to do my dances with had she left a sour taste in my mouth.sure, but the concept of quid pro quo is unfathomable to many of these girls. for instance, the stripper who returned your money earned a favor. OTOH, the stripper who doesn't earned nada. sorry, but contrary to popular belief, the act of removing one's clothing during a stage show isn't a favor. it's her job. she doesn't earn credit just for showing up. you know, it's a constant source of amusement when girls, who haven't done me any favors, start to talk about VIP/champagne room, their latest financial woes or even ask "why?". still, i just give them a double-take, laugh and a resounding "no".