View Full Version : How Do I Avoid the Drink Hustle?
lestat1
08-01-2007, 03:57 PM
Alright forgive my ignorance of the system but if this isn't a scam what exactly am I buying here. Am I somehow paying the lady for her time by buying her the fake drink? What am I supposed to expect in return?
That is exactly what you are buying. What you get in return is the time.
Wow, and I've paid $40 for a dance just to avoid the awkward silence of "chat time." But then that talking thing is fun and not terrifying to some people. Weirdos! :P
The strip club is a luxury experience. Assume it's like any other store selling luxuries and always ask the price of something before you agree to buy. Or else you'll end paying $20 for a drink, or $89.99 for a gold-plated Q-tip stick, etc.
cameron_keys
08-01-2007, 03:59 PM
But if I'm buying a girl a beer or some other real drink I can't imagine I'm really paying her for her time, or am I?
Yes and no. Depends on the club. Many clubs wont let you bring a drink from table to table(because why would the new guy buy you one if you already have one) and some clubs dont allow girls to drink beer(it isnt "ladylike" or "classy").
If you buy me a drink(and to clarify...I order what I want...sometimes wine, sometimes captain and diet, etc....) I will sit with you until I am finished that drink(unless you are a dick in which case I will take my drink and leave). Drinks for dancers...no matter what they order...are $8 at my club. I get nothing of that. I will GIVE you my time because you were gentle man enough to buy it for me.ANd because my club tends to be a sit and chat before dancing..not a wanna dance club.
Lysondra
08-01-2007, 05:57 PM
Heh. Reminds me of the first and last time I "bought the lady a drink." It was only the first or second time I was in a strip club.
I had already had a couple of $5 drinks when a beautiful girl sat down next to me. We had just enough time to exchange pleasantries when along can the waitress to ask if I'd like to buy her a drink. Thinking it would be the same cost as what I had already been drinking, I said sure. I like buying things for people I like. She ordered a non-alcoholic fruity drink.
5 minutes later, the drink came, and I when to settle up by handing over a $10, expecting change. I was then informed that it was $20 for the glass of ice with a tiny squirt of fruity beverage.:O
Needless to say, since then, my knee-jerk reaction to the situation is a very firm "NO", without any further discussion.
Now when anyone actually wants a drink, I go to the bar and buy all drinks myself and then hand them out, as desired. Scam avoided.:)
It's funny how past experiences shape our future actions, even when they may or may not be applicable anymore.
If you did that with me I'd automatically assume you spiked it. :/
Jenny
08-02-2007, 08:53 AM
Wow, and I've paid $40 for a dance just to avoid the awkward silence of "chat time." But then that talking thing is fun and not terrifying to some people. Weirdos! :P
[/quote]Like I said - if you don't want it, I don't think you should have to buy it. I think it's tacky and stupid to complain about paying for it when you DO want it, and I don't think you can call it a scam just because it's expensive.
Cameron - I don't know. I don't give away my time because they are "gentlemen". I appreciate the courtesy, but absent a commission (and if the bar is expecting me to sell a $20 drink and not giving me a significant cut - you're right, I wouldn't do it either) I assume that what it is is a courtesy, not a way of buying my time. That is, I presume that they are offering me a drink because they think I might want one, not in order to passive aggressively get me to sit and hang out with no immediate prospect of remuneration. I assume that there will be no hard feelings if I choose to get up and walk away after that.
goethe
08-02-2007, 09:25 AM
Many clubs wont let you bring a drink from table to table
One of the girls at my regular club actually walks around with one of those giant Mountain Dews from Taco Bell. I told her, "I can't believe the club lets you do that." And she just said, "F*ck 'em, they can't tell me what to drink!"
I think this club maybe kinda dysfunctional.
The dancers hold the waitresses in open contempt. I remember tipping a waitress I think like ten dollars over the course of two drinks and she sat down next to me started talking for a couple songs while counting her money. I thought it was weird. But now I notice the waitresses sitting on customers wiggling out little mini LDs so maybe there's a sense of competition.
After two months of going there most of the girls who were waitresses when I started are now dancers anyway. "Remember me, I was your waitress last week" is a pretty common opening line for dances.
Dancers asking guys for drinks or--dear god--ordering without even asking is one of my biggest pet peeves. Trashy, trashy, trashy.
Personally, if a dancer ordered herself a drink without asking me or me offering, she just bought herself a drink. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
I generally (whether at a table or the bar) assume that when I order myself a drink that I am paying for it. If the gentleman then jumps in and offers I appreciate it, but I would never ask for a drink or expect them to pay for it.
I never guessed that gentleman thought that thier paying for it was implied when I ordered.
cameron_keys
08-02-2007, 10:09 AM
Cameron - I don't know. I don't give away my time because they are "gentlemen". I appreciate the courtesy, but absent a commission (and if the bar is expecting me to sell a $20 drink and not giving me a significant cut - you're right, I wouldn't do it either) I assume that what it is is a courtesy, not a way of buying my time. That is, I presume that they are offering me a drink because they think I might want one, not in order to passive aggressively get me to sit and hang out with no immediate prospect of remuneration. I assume that there will be no hard feelings if I choose to get up and walk away after that.
True...but like I said..my club is more of a sit and have a drink first club...not a wanna dance place. So if you buy me a drink..I will put the time in and sit with you until I have finished it...assuming that since you bought me a drink, the chances I will get a dance out of you is higher then ..say..the guy who orders a round for himself and his buddies without offering me one. THEN I will walk away. If you were nice enough to offer...I will stay for a minute.
Rarely will I accept a drink just to walk away with it the second it gets delivered. If I do...I've determined in the amount of tim eit took to get the drink that you will NOT spend more on me or that you are too much of an asshole for me to bother trying!!
cameron_keys
08-02-2007, 10:10 AM
One of the girls at my regular club actually walks around with one of those giant Mountain Dews from Taco Bell. I told her, "I can't believe the club lets you do that." And she just said, "F*ck 'em, they can't tell me what to drink!"
I think this club maybe kinda dysfunctional.
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I think that dancer may be kind of dysfunctional...whether thats allowed or not..its tacky.
It would NOT be permitted at my club.
Jenny
08-02-2007, 11:11 AM
True...but like I said..my club is more of a sit and have a drink first club...not a wanna dance place. So if you buy me a drink..I will put the time in and sit with you until I have finished it...assuming that since you bought me a drink, the chances I will get a dance out of you is higher then ..say..the guy who orders a round for himself and his buddies without offering me one. THEN I will walk away. If you were nice enough to offer...I will stay for a minute.
It's funny - I notice less and less of a correlation. Like I used to wonder about the girls asking for drinks. I notice now that fewer and fewer customers offer. What really sort of kills me is when a customer that has no intention of buying dances, but wants you to hang out doesn't offer. I mean, I wouldn't take it... but it seems like if they want to act like they are doing a pick up in a regular bar that they really should be doing their part.
Rarely will I accept a drink just to walk away with it the second it gets delivered. If I do...I've determined in the amount of tim eit took to get the drink that you will NOT spend more on me or that you are too much of an asshole for me to bother trying!!
True, I'd be unlikely to do that. Actually the last time I did that, I was booted. Funny story - the guy got change back from the waitress and didn't tip her. Like at all - not just inadequately. Because some guys are from places in which tipping is not the norm, I gently prod "Don't forget to tip the waitress". He informs me that he is not planning to tip the waitress and snarkily asks if that bothers me. I answered (perhaps unwisely) "Well, yes, a little." He then said that I could just take my drink and drink it up at the bar because "nobody owns him". Creepy. I went. Generally you will get about a song or two, before I ask unless we've already established that the dance will happen.
Now when anyone actually wants a drink, I go to the bar and buy all drinks myself and then hand them out, as desired. Scam avoided. -Archangel (sorry, quote button not working for me for some reason)
In that case, I hope you would understand if this would make the girl wary and maybe lead to her not wanting to touch her drink. A lot of us have a rule of NEVER drinking a drink that has been in a custies hand or away from us for even a second, due to the risk of being drugged. Even if a girl knwos you, she may not be willing to drink it. There are lots of stories out there from girls who thought they had a good regular they could trust who took advantage. I hope you wouldn't take it personally.
bem401
08-03-2007, 06:47 AM
Now when anyone actually wants a drink, I go to the bar and buy all drinks myself and then hand them out, as desired. Scam avoided. -Archangel (sorry, quote button not working for me for some reason)
In that case, I hope you would understand if this would make the girl wary and maybe lead to her not wanting to touch her drink. A lot of us have a rule of NEVER drinking a drink that has been in a custies hand or away from us for even a second, due to the risk of being drugged. Even if a girl knwos you, she may not be willing to drink it. There are lots of stories out there from girls who thought they had a good regular they could trust who took advantage. I hope you wouldn't take it personally.
This particular post got me to thinking. None of the girls I associate with have a problem with me handling their drinks but I notice that when they go on stage or to the dressing room, as a matter of habit they lay a napkin over the top and maybe punch the straw through it. I always assumed it was a way to let the bartender/waitress know the drink wasn't dead. Is it really because they fear being "slipped a mickey"? If so, I just learned something new.
xdamage
08-03-2007, 07:06 AM
they lay a napkin over the top and maybe punch the straw through it.
Yea, that's just how I and most people "cap" a drink so the waitress leaves it alone. I suppose if she is being extra careful she could memorize the position of the napkin and straw. Really can't blaim them for it though. The reality is there are some real fuckers out there (as we found in the "Visine" threads).
Macnee2
08-17-2007, 04:30 AM
Guys, where I go, and it may be the same where you are depending on the club, but the girls pay about a third as much for a drink as you will, so buy her that drink, get one for yourself, but get her to approach the bar and buy them as if they were for her. She won't have to tip the bar either, so everybody wins.
Lysondra
08-17-2007, 04:57 AM
Guys, where I go, and it may be the same where you are depending on the club, but the girls pay about a third as much for a drink as you will, so buy her that drink, get one for yourself, but get her to approach the bar and buy them as if they were for her. She won't have to tip the bar either, so everybody wins.
And she also doesn't get the drink written off her tally sheet either if it's a hustle club like that.
cameron_keys
08-17-2007, 08:15 AM
Guys, where I go, and it may be the same where you are depending on the club, but the girls pay about a third as much for a drink as you will, so buy her that drink, get one for yourself, but get her to approach the bar and buy them as if they were for her. She won't have to tip the bar either, so everybody wins.
I love when guys thnk all clubs are the same. In many clubs I've worked at...girls arent ALLOWED to buy their own drinks. Except maybe water.
Jenny
08-17-2007, 08:25 AM
I've never worked at a club where they give dancers a discount on anything except pop and water - and in many they don't give that. In any case - obviously if they are giving the girls a discount, they would frown upon the staff extending that discount to the customers. So when the girl orders two cokes, they would notice and probably refuse to serve them.
Moreover, I would not likely be inclined to help a customer get out of tipping the waitress or actually paying for his drinks. I cannot imagine why a girl would be; if you had enough money to make that worth her while, you wouldn't need to be using her to get cheap coca cola.
britt244
08-17-2007, 03:55 PM
not to mention, if i was ordering a drink for myself anyway, i would still tip the waitress/bartender.
Macnee2
08-17-2007, 07:59 PM
In erference to my above post, the girls at my cities biggest and best club pay about $2 for a spirits plus mixer, whereas I'd be paying $6. Tipping is expected but by no means compulsory (Australia) as a tradition of the club, but I save the tipping for the waitresses that willingly interact. It's not unusual for one or two of the girls at this club to offer to go up to the bar for us, did you think I came up with this idea alone? I'm not that sharp!
Darcy Foxx
08-19-2007, 05:36 AM
In erference to my above post, the girls at my cities biggest and best club pay about $2 for a spirits plus mixer, whereas I'd be paying $6. Tipping is expected but by no means compulsory (Australia) as a tradition of the club, but I save the tipping for the waitresses that willingly interact. It's not unusual for one or two of the girls at this club to offer to go up to the bar for us, did you think I came up with this idea alone? I'm not that sharp!
If you're referring to the Horse, we pay $4 for a spirit with mixer.
Macnee2
08-19-2007, 06:23 AM
Standing corrected. Thank God for the anonymity of the internet lol.
Star Player
09-05-2007, 04:10 AM
It pretty much goes with the territory your going to have to buy her a drink if she sits with you. Not wanting to do so causes you to appear as a "cheapskate."
If your concerned about getting ripped on the cost of an expensive drink, simply tell her "sure honey I will buy you a drink but it can't be more expnesive than what I am having." SC's make a lot of their money on drinks - its not unrealistic to budget at least $25 - $50 for drinks for an average stay at a SC. I have found, the later it gets in the evening, the higher the drink prices advance. Be aware of the times when there are drink specials and work this to your advantage.
But whats wrong with getting a couple of drinks in her anyhow? Let her relax, perhaps she has had a stressed evening or had to deal with obnoxious customers or business has been slow. She may need to have a smoke before going to the dances - give her some good positive conversation. This is your opportunity to show her what a gentleman you are but if she wants to cuddle well why not......Sometimes when paying for a drink they will notice the thick stack of $100 bills on my money clip - have fun but don't go over budget ha ha (something I have trouble with if she is really hot and gives good dances)!
michele_b
09-07-2007, 06:34 PM
I'm Michele's boyfriend I get that in clubs where she dances. They should always start a conversation 1st. Then if you feel comfortable to buy them a drink. Then buy them 1. Don't let them hustle you. You can be polite or immediately say I'm here with someone. If the girl walks away then that's what it was all about. Then they go sucker someone else. Just be yourself & if she gets offended she wasn't worth your time for a dance anyways. Also was probably already drunk just wanting more.So don't waste your hard earned money on someone that 5minutes later won't even remember you bought them 1. Wait for a diamond in the rough. Remember though you are in a strip club. You put your self in the environment.Where it is all about the HUSTLE.
THE INFAMOUS MYK}:D
OK, i'm editing without him knowing, lol, he always wonders what I do on here so I showed him some threads and he wanted to put his input on this one so I let him. I told him if he wants to be an SWer then why not make his own account but he says he don't want one.
goethe
09-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Alright, I've taken a lot of advice from this board. Now, I tell a lady when she sits down that I'd like to be a gentleman and offer her a drink. Some do, some don't. I think I'm making a better impression by asking early. If they want to drink, I enjoy a little conversation before the dance. Good for everyone.
OK, i'm editing without him knowing, lol, he always wonders what I do on here so I showed him some threads and he wanted to put his input on this one so I let him. I told him if he wants to be an SWer then why not make his own account but he says he don't want one.
Yes, your advise to him was correct. When two people use the same account, it often creates problems especially if it is an SO using a dancers account. Please let him know that the moderators prefer he not do that. If he just wants to read posts, he doesn't need a membership for that.
Thank you,
FBR
michele_b
09-08-2007, 10:12 AM
Yes, your advise to him was correct. When two people use the same account, it often creates problems especially if it is an SO using a dancers account. Please let him know that the moderators prefer he not do that. If he just wants to read posts, he doesn't need a membership for that.
Thank you,
FBR
That's why I edited and put that cause I didn't want any problems to come of him posting on here on my account, cause yea, you are right if I let him continue doing that it would just cause problems. So if he don't want to create an account then I am not going to let him post anymore of his input on here under my name and possibly get me a bad rep for doing that.
Fairbay
09-24-2007, 07:46 PM
Poke her in the stomach. This ancient karate move was discovered by Chinese monks and disables your opponent for at least five seconds. At which point you can flee.
Mastridonicus
09-25-2007, 08:41 PM
Don't Taze Her, Dude.