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Bridgette
08-03-2007, 12:14 AM
^Flip-flop girl was at a club I just worked a few weeks. And they weren't even cute flip-flops, just some cheap old ugly black things. One girl mentioned to her one night that she should consider wearing some heels, and the girl said "naw, I wear these because I can't walk in heels and I'm short. I make my money by being the short girl" :O I wondered to myself if she'd ever considered wearing something even slightly more attractive, like some cute sneakers. LOL

JustJayda
08-03-2007, 02:52 AM
The best thing about dancing in Guam was the drink hustle (with regard to this topic).

If he (custie) wasn't buying a $20 or $50 drink, conversation over!!!!

Management didn't even play about that bullshit. 8-10mins of convo TOPS for a $20 drink, 10-25 for a $50.

Prolly couldn't work in the states, dunno...Just throwing in a tidbit;)

I feel like this (in most cases), if a customer wants conversation only, he can have a wonderful conversation in the champagne room, or v.i.p.
I'm all too familiar with the "save me from this bitch so I can talk to you" looks from trapped customers.

Vivacious
08-03-2007, 05:07 AM
It seems like the difference is dancers with strategy and dancers with no strategy. Some girls spend a long time with customers as a part of their strategy.

This is the exception, but there was a girl at a club I worked at who came in one night with a customer and they started throwing a lot (I mean A LOT) of money around. Turns out she used to dance at the club and was the top earner. But when this guy came in she would refuse to go on stage (risking her job) and would sit by this guy all night not making any money from him for dances and not dancing for anybody else.

Then one night he just "broke" and started giving her thousands and thousands of dollars. Pretty crazy story, but I think somehow she was trying to show her loyalty to him, and it paid off.

Again, this is the exception to the rule, but I think it was brilliant of her to see past "how much am I going to make tonight," and think long-term.

flip-flop girl = no strategy

Guys that have gone to a strip club a few times in their lives that want to dance with you but are "stuck" will usually break away from the girl by going to sit at stage when you come up, go to the bar or the restroom to catch you, or tell the girl, "Hey, I usually dance with X when I come here. Can you come back later?" if they're serious about getting dances.

Dottie, I totally hear you. I just wanted to point out this other POV because I think it's important in hustling to be aware of more than one typical strategy. But again, I think you're complaining about girls who have none.

Andygirl
08-03-2007, 09:40 AM
I've been burned on the "sit and chat" hustle, so I avoid it in favor of the old-fashioned "big boobs and a smile" hustle. I'm not lazy, and I'd rather dance and know what I'm making than sit and have to wonder if I'll make anything at all.

Yekhefah
08-03-2007, 09:49 AM
I was thinking about this post the other day. I showed up to work, and for two hours there were no customers in the club except a small birthday party of five guys. They weren't tipping anything but the occasional dollar or two, and they weren't buying any dances. When I suggested lapdances for the birthday boy, everyone just laughed. They all said they didn't have any money - but funny enough, they kept finding money to buy more pitchers of beer. ::)

So as far as I was concerned, these guys should have gone to a regular bar, and if all they want to pay for is beer then beer is all they're going to get. I had no interest in socializing with them, and when I had to go onstage I kept my clothes on. If the other dancers had followed suit, I think they would have gotten the point and found a little money. However, there were two or three dancers that were happy to "party" with them for free. They were drinking and socializing together, and these girls sat endlessly with these guys, letting them rub their legs and giggling at their jokes.

So guess who got fired for not playing along. Yup, me. The manager pointed out that the guys come here to see girls get topless and interact with them. I asked him why they'd have any reason to pay for it if we all do it for free. He told me I had a "bad attitude" (I LOVE that phrase, it's always dickhead male code for "backbone") and suggested I find somewhere else to work. I agreed and left.

So yeah. Fired for not working for free! That's how bad this has gotten, people!

cameron_keys
08-03-2007, 10:38 AM
^^ THAT is INSANE!!! Sounds like between the buttmunch manager and the asswipe cheap custies..you will be better off elsewhere.

Yekhefah
08-03-2007, 10:45 AM
A-yup, that's L.A. for you.

VegasPrincess
08-03-2007, 10:48 AM
I sort of see both sides of this debate.

I switch up my hustle depending on what the night is like, on who is in the club, etc. I definitely do the wanna dance wanna dance when the club is packed, but if I see a nice older gentleman in a suit, I'm going to sit down and chat him up. Not every time, but most times I've gotten multiple hour VIPS, the REALLY good ones (6+ hours) it's been after I talked and had drinks with a guy for 45 minutes to an hour first. I can sort of tell when it's going to happen for me and when it
s not.

ANYWAY! I don't think that these girls are intentionally doing anything wrong. Maybe they just don't know what to do, how to make money, etc, how to hustle...
I think we all remember when we first started dancing. I really didn't know what the hell was going on or how to gracefully walk away from a table even when I was uncomfortable and not making money.

Of course I think it's retarded to talk to guys who aren't going to spend money. I very strictly follow if he doesn't offer me a drink or is hemming and hawing about getting a dance, I am straight out of there because obviously he's not interested. But not everybody is that smart or perceptive.

And as for getting paid for conversation, I think it's reasonable to take a couple hundred bucks for an hour of conversation. I know if you were dancing it'd be 500 bucks, of course, but I'm just saying.... I don't see the harm. If you were sitting in the VIP room with them, itd be different, but if you're sitting on the floor....

Just my two cents

dangerousdiva
08-03-2007, 10:50 AM
Good for you, Yek, for having the "backbone" to not work for free!

I won't sit with customers who aren't spending either. It sets a bad precedence and thus more idiot customers think they can come to the SC with no cash and still get attention or even worse a date.

If no one is spending, I'll sooner sit alone in a corner (the dressing room is not an option to hang out in).

One time when I was doing just that some old man approached me and said since I wasn't doing anything how about a back rub?

I said No Thanks.

Seriously, so you can rub and touch me for free? Problem is other girls consented which is really annoying too!

cameron_keys
08-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Well I admit to accepting a backrub from time to time. Althoguh there IS a qualifier to that! I have a horrible back..I get pro masssages on a reg basis and have chronic headaches and such from mucles spaseming. SO if it is a TRUE hes-had-traingin-in-massage variety AND I truely have NO money prospects...I'll let him work out some knots. At least I got SOMETHING out of that time! But I've gotten dances that way too "your so tense, buty your skin is so soft...lets go dance when we're done here". SO it's worked as a hustle from time to time! And I've had guys pay ME to massage me..so thats always good!
If it is a lame, brushing your skin and using the "massage" as an excuse to touch me for free...he'll get about 30 seconds before I jump up and say "wow....I feel MUCH better now! How about a dance?". Then I go away if he says no...

Bridgette
08-04-2007, 03:11 PM
The manager pointed out that the guys come here to see girls get topless and interact with them.At which point I would've pointed out that as long as I'm paying to work, I'm not obligated to entertain bar customers for free. And then I would've asked him if HE ever works for free, or if HE would pay for the "privilige" of dancing naked for a bunch of cheapasses. And then of course I'd leave. Clearly that is not a good place to work.

Yek, aren't you coming to MT soon?

Yekhefah
08-04-2007, 04:30 PM
That's pretty much the conversation we had.

I was planning to go to Montana, but now I've got a damn doctor appointment on Tuesday and I have to be back here by the 25th, so I dunno... I'm still debating. I'll make a final decision tomorrow. How's it been this week?

GingerLin
06-28-2013, 10:25 AM
Just a question, how long is your time limit for hustle? One dancer told me 1 song (3 minutes) definite, and she says if you hustle longer than 1 song, you hurt other girls chance of getting a dance from them. and the other dancer says 2 songs (6 minutes) for her. Both girls are good hustlers, so I wonder what you think.

Aniela
06-28-2013, 12:54 PM
The exact length sm times depends on the club. Most of the ones I've worked in, typically start the pitch around the three-song mark. Anywhere else that required longer, were neighbourhood holes in the wall where it was hard to make a decent living b/c customers expected 30 min or more of your time before getting ONE dance, & didn't always like the idea of buying you a (commission) drink in the meantime. If it's dead, stay for a couple more, if you have no other prospects then it can't hurt to invest another few minutes, but I'd say none of this half-hr-w/o-getting-paid crap.

simone87
06-28-2013, 01:17 PM
Just a question, how long is your time limit for hustle? One dancer told me 1 song (3 minutes) definite, and she says if you hustle longer than 1 song, you hurt other girls chance of getting a dance from them. and the other dancer says 2 songs (6 minutes) for her. Both girls are good hustlers, so I wonder what you think.


like anelia said, if the club is slow..then i invest more time ( IF they look/seem like they will spend). maybe 4 songs..but on busy night, sometimes i don't even sit down, ill just do my "superwoman pose", flash a smile and ask. i'd say 2 to 3 songs is a good limit. one of my good friends sits with customers for HOURS and they get one song..maybe none. and she gets pissed, but i want to tell her, "stop wasting time on that dude! " i see the customers she sits with, they don't spend. if they want to talk, mention VIP or private dance area ;) if you sit with them a long time for free, you are not only hurting other dancers but yourself as well. i know this is a competitive industry and its dog-eat-dog and every woman for herself but i do wish there was more comraderie between dancers..more sense of unity. so that we can band together and make sure cheap asses don't take advantage of us, corrupt management, etc. just a mini rant

KatGrrl
06-29-2013, 07:15 AM
Eh. I wish dancers wouldn't be so judgemental and self righteous because some girls have a different (lazy) approach. OP explained it well, but why are you so bothered by it? It's an independent contractor industry where girls use their own methods, like it or not. It's part of working around other people, and you can try to be competitive but surely while those girls waste THEIR time it shouldn't affect you - in fact you could benefit from those girls who are leaving money on the table - for you!

Believe it or not, some Dancers actually unwind from time to time at work. No reflection on you.

simone87
06-29-2013, 09:59 AM
to me that's like saying " some girls are actually horny and get sexually satisfied at work from performing extras time to time, they enjoy it, no reflection on you". there's a time and a place for everything and giving away time for free is telling the customers our time isn't worth anything..like a girl who gives away free lap dances or charges 5 bucks instead of the 20 everyone else is charging. it IS part of working around other people and sometimes there is nothing we can do about it, but i notice those girls always complain they haven't earned anything..well why would you if you are giving it away for free? or for maybe a 2 dollar tip? it hurts the industry as much as extras IMO

xcatxbrownx
06-29-2013, 08:24 PM
Yeah... what you make is up to you and only you. Not anyone else. If you aren't making jack shit, you probably need an attitude adjustment. Hustlers know that what they make does not depend on who is doing extras/ who is sitting with customers for free/ what everyone else is doing that is "hurting your money". The only person that can hurt your money is you and your attitude. If you're having a shit night, leave or meditate or sit in the dressing room until you feel better. Hustling is you working for you and only you. No one else has any say on what you make or how you make it.

simone87
06-29-2013, 08:31 PM
this is a zombie thread so there's really not much use in continuing it..but no, what you are doing is hurting the market when you do that. you are hurting yourself as well as other dancers. now some selfish dancers don't care about the industry or anyone else, but for god's sake, at least stop doing it for yourself if nobody else!

ava$
07-15-2013, 01:04 PM
This is something baby strippers do and its so annoying! They need to get some confidence about themselves and make $$ or go home

JasmineSpice
07-21-2013, 06:06 PM
If youre there to take shots and socialize get a job as a shotgirl don't waste our time or cause customers to think you can hang with us on the cheap! It's about the $$$! Not about being social or taking shots without getting paid for it!