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Alaska
08-07-2007, 09:21 AM
I just want to know: how much $$, exactly, have you given these ppl to teach you to think like this? It's really brilliant what they are doing, honestly...it's like religion, a church! Going around and around..."well she's just pissed off because"...they do a great job selling eternal hope, don't they? The dream is still alive!

I'm hot for the men BEHIND this whole thing, they must be richer than us, and oh-so-clever, and probably have even better PL stories than we do! Make that definitely...you're all they see!

Alaska
08-07-2007, 09:23 AM
Oh look, all our little stripper brains were synchronized at the same time!

Yep, I'd be seriously proud to report to anybody "my boyfriend holds seminars on How To Score With Strippers!" It's just too awesome.

Andygirl
08-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Ok, first off, I'm not agreeing with everything Friendly Guy has said, but I have seen these "techniques" used with success in almost every club I've ever worked in. I wouldn't say that the majority of girls are succeptible to this, but there is a segment of dancers who are young, like to party, and socialize with "customers" outside of the club. Not only have I seen them sitting for hours with these guys, but they have pics of them up on their MySpace accounts and such, which is why I'm convinced that whatever these guys are saying must work.

There is one guy in particular that I'm thinking of. He's good looking, tattoos, etc., and every time he's in the club at least three girls are sittting with him. As far as I know, he does spend some money (as evidenced by him tipping me a $20 on stage on a few different occasions), but most of it is on drinks. The main girl he "courts" does hang out with him socially. I don't know if they're doin' it or not, but they might as well be for the point of this discussion. By tipping me $20 I think he wants my attention, and while I do go over and say thanks, I dont join the gaggle of girls already sitting with him.

I've always been able to identify this type of customer because a. I'm not single, b. If I was single I wouldn't date the "titty bar" type, c. I'm very $$ focused and notice when people aren't spending. I never thought they were playing a game to get dates, but it makes more sense thinking of it that way than wondering what the hell they are thinking with their bullshit.

What's funny is that in reading this I thought of an incident a few weeks ago. I was on stage and one of the waitresses came over and said, "This guy over here wants to buy you a drink, what do you want?" I kinda rolled my eyes (in my imagination) and told her I'd go over there when I got off stage. So I walk over, and there are two youngish guys sitting together, one is semi-good looking, the other looked like a Neanderthal. Focusing on the better looking one, I sat and did about a 30 sec.-1 min. chat before asking him if he wanted a dance. He said, "No, I don't do dances, but if you want drinks I'll buy them for you all night." I laughed and said, "Ok, I'll try to remember that. Let me know if you change your mind." And then I got up and continued my business, leaving the drink sit and obviously messing up the dude's "game."

He must have read the same book as Friendly Guy!

britt244
08-07-2007, 09:59 AM
ever since he started the thread, he's been saying he'll leave, he'll leave.. like that threat is so horrible for us to bear that we might just beg him to stay. ha. ha ha ha.

Darcy Foxx
08-07-2007, 10:02 AM
There is one guy in particular that I'm thinking of. He's good looking, tattoos, etc., and every time he's in the club at least three girls are sittting with him. As far as I know, he does spend some money (as evidenced by him tipping me a $20 on stage on a few different occasions), but most of it is on drinks. The main girl he "courts" does hang out with him socially. I don't know if they're doin' it or not, but they might as well be for the point of this discussion. By tipping me $20 I think he wanted my attention, and while I did go over and say thanks, I didn't join the gaggle of girls already sitting with him.

I don't think this guy can really be categorized into the same group of guys as Friendly Guy. You said yourself that he is good looking and tattooed... no matter where you go, be it a strip club or a regular bar, there's going to be young girls who will flirt and want to hang out with good looking guys.

I think, that if you're attractive and you're naturally good at picking up women outside of a strip club, then it's more likely that you'll be able to go into a strip club and by simply being yourself, gain the attention of a few young naive girls without having to spend any money. I don't think that guys like this are specifically going in there with the sole intention of using techniques to pick up strippers, I think they're probably just going in there to have a good time, and if there's some silly young hot partygirls who are going to hang off them because they're good looking and tattooed and fun, then that's a good a reason as any to keep them coming back.

Friendly Guy, on the other hand, is so socially inept that he feels the need to waste money on a ridiculous seminar to learn 'techniques' to score with strippers. We've all been doing this for long enough to spot a scammer like this a mile away.

Yeah, there are girls at my club too, who sit with non-spending customers all night and then party with them after work, but all of those customers can be put into one of two categories... they're either a) young, charming, fun and really good looking, or b) very wealthy with fast cars and coke connections.

Andygirl
08-07-2007, 10:04 AM
He's not exceptionally good-looking, just better looking than most of the other guys who come into the club.;D

Katrine
08-07-2007, 10:16 AM
Here's the scenario: Club is dead, dancers vulturing around trying to pick on pieces of necrotic custy flesh.

Dancer approaches PL sitting along. Pitches her game. He gives her the "I'm not buying dances but I'll buy you a drink" line.

Dancer thinks, "oh hell, its dead in here, but I'll chat him up for a few minutes to work him into spending."

Custy is obviously reading his Mystery Method crib notes on his hand. So dancer spends a few minutes painting herself as this amazing sexual creature, yet actually kind and dateable. Why does she do it? Because it works for earnings.

Meanwhile custy sits down and thinks he's getting the real deal. The smart dancer then pitches again, and magically, the custy's tough demeaner melts away because he's been seduced by the dancer. Yes, I've done it a million times.

HOWEVER, if he's still against it after a few minutes, a smart dancer will leave! But as well all know, there is no skills requirement to being hired as a stripper. There are far more idiots than hustlers out there.


The most sexually adventurous woman I know is an overweight graphic designer. The most promiscous time of my life was a year when I worked an office job and WASN'T dancing. But that's my personal experience, YMMV.

Anyone here who's worked with me knows exactly what happens to a custy who wastes my time. I will make an extreme effort to ensure he doesn't get anymore attention, or waste anyone else's time, at least not the girls I care about.

Katrine
08-07-2007, 10:18 AM
The thing about these high priced seminars (whether they involve courting women, losing weight, or getting rich) is that they are targeted towards people whom are desperate for a quick fix to their perceived problem, instead of recognizing the infallible truth that there are no quick fixes, and that if you want to succeed you have to do things the hard way.

Brilliant Doc! I've met these people all throughout my life. In my current career, they come to me for financial advice, yet they're all fucking broke looking for the next big score. Fortunately, I see less and less of these ppl as I become more tenured. I can sniff out their bullshit as easily as I did when I stripped.

LoveDrop
08-07-2007, 10:19 AM
I think, that if you're attractive and you're naturally good at picking up women outside of a strip club, then it's more likely that you'll be able to go into a strip club and by simply being yourself, gain the attention of a few young naive girls without having to spend any money. I don't think that guys like this are specifically going in there with the sole intention of using techniques to pick up strippers, I think they're probably just going in there to have a good time, and if there's some silly young hot partygirls who are going to hang off them because they're good looking and tattooed and fun[quote]

BINGO.

[QUOTE]Friendly Guy, on the other hand, is so socially inept that he feels the need to waste money on a ridiculous seminar to learn 'techniques' to score with strippers. We've all been doing this for long enough to spot a scammer like this a mile away.

BINGO again, shit your good at this ;D sorry FD. x

xdamage
08-07-2007, 10:20 AM
The thing about these high priced seminars (whether they involve courting women, losing weight, or getting rich) is that they are targeted towards people whom are desperate for a quick fix to their perceived problem, instead of recognizing the infallible truth that there are no quick fixes, and that if you want to succeed you have to do things the hard way.


Bingo! Exactly, and we see this type of mentality in all areas of life.

juggernutz
08-07-2007, 10:44 AM
Ok, first off, I'm not agreeing with everything Friendly Guy has said, but I have seen these "techniques" used with success in almost every club I've ever worked in. I wouldn't say that the majority of girls are succeptible to this, but there is a segment of dancers who are young, like to party, and socialize with "customers" outside of the club. Not only have I seen them sitting for hours with these guys, but they have pics of them up on their MySpace accounts and such, which is why I'm convinced that whatever these guys are saying must work.

Yes, some females may be susceptible to this. From what I have gotten from Niel Strauss autobiography of his time as a pick up artist, they stress approach a women, run your game, if it works, great. If it fails, it's not your fault but the women's, move on to the next target and keep repeating until you succeed. If you are willing to keep on trying and trying, even the most questionable tactics may succeed in the long run.

Lets look at the Nigerian Email scam. I know that somewhere there are people who believe that some person in Africa needs their help to get a hold of Millions and Millions of dollars and all they need to do to earn some of that money is email the nice person their bank account info because my damn email keeps filling up with these spams. If no one was falling for the scam, they would not be emailing people the scam.

So I guess I am calling PUA con men. Instead of trying to con people out of money, they are trying to con their way into a ladies panties.

Embyr
08-07-2007, 10:53 AM
You can all be rude by assuming that I'm a PL. Whatever. But I never attacked anyone's character. I only attacked you're arguments. The only character I attacked was Embyr because my self respect required it.
To think I just wanted a little fairness in your judgments about the seminars. You didn't have the least amount of fairness towards MEN IN GENERAL!

wow... i feel so special!!!!! 8) 8) (am i different than every other chick who has told you your ideas aren't gonna fly here?) hmmmm.... 'required it...' i believe that's rather subjective, but oooo-kay...

men in general? I love men in general. Most of us do. It's just people like... well... }:D

DJ Machismo
08-07-2007, 11:07 AM
Dude needs to seriously get his money back from the seminars.

Obviously they did no good.


Either that or some people just can't be helped. I have an idea as to what the right answer is as well.

RoseWhite
08-07-2007, 11:11 AM
HOWEVER, if he's still against it after a few minutes, a smart dancer will leave! But as well all know, there is no skills requirement to being hired as a stripper. There are far more idiots than hustlers out there.


True that, Katrine. I think Andygirl does make a good point, that there most certainly ARE young and/or naive and/or lazy and/or just plain dumb dancers who probably will fall for this. It's true.

In fact, now that I think about it, this is probably exactly why Friendly Dud has the perception of strippers that he does. Yeah, your techniques MIGHT actually work with the young and/or naive and/or lazy and/or just plain dumb. Congratulations!

Good luck with that. Enjoy 'em. Keep on thinking (and insisting to us here) that, deep down, we're all party girls who really just want someone to keep us drunk & not have to bother with the tiresome chore of providing dances for A LIVING. And keep wondering why the actual quality, professional, creams o' the crop in the club continue to ignore you. Carry on.

xdamage
08-07-2007, 12:23 PM
To think I just wanted a little fairness in your judgments about the seminars. You didn't have the least amount of fairness towards MEN IN GENERAL!

FYI,

I couldn't tell if this reply was directed at Embyr specifically, or the dancers in general, but if the former... having read posts on this site for quite a while myself, I can tell you that I can't recall her being anything but fair towards men in general. If anything quite the opposite, she's cut me and many other guys a lot of slack when were in disagreement with the majority.

I think the problem here is that you asked for people's opinions, and you're getting them, but they are not all positive, and so it wasn't just that you wanted people's opinions, it's that you also seem to be on a mission to convince them that these seminars and books are good things.

I believe that's true. Can I ask why? Because off hand it seems to me that if you care this much about everyone else's opinion you must have some motivation. for example:

Maybe you are selling self-helf books, or seminars yourself?

Maybe you are feeling a strong need for validation that they are good?

Maybe you are feeling frustrated because despite what the self-help books and seminars have taught, the women are still not responding magically?


Can I suggest something? In a nutshell, let it go... work on yourself, be happy with who you are, improve yourself by getting involved with things. If the women come, they come, if not... you'll be too busy having fun to sweat it. While I understand why people obsess over the opposite sex, it's not a way of life that you have to master. When you get yourself right, the opposite sex will come to you without you having to try.

Bridgette
08-07-2007, 12:48 PM
OMFG.

Any guy who specifically wants to date(fuck) strippers is NOT someone we want to date. Because you see us as objects to obtain and play with, not as people. We want guys who truly see us as people, not those who take classes to learn to pretend to see us as people.

Any guy who takes classes with the purpose of learning how to pick up women/strippers is NOT someone we want to date. Because you are NOT going to truly be yourself around us, you are going to act the way they teach you to act in those stupid classes ::) No one wants to be with someone who can't completely be his/herself.


*side note:
Is it just for the sexual reasons? Honestly ... mainly yes but not entirely.
I hate when people do this. Ask a question and then answer it in order to make a statement. Just make the statement ::)


Why I want to date strippers? hmmmmmmm

Okay, I'm a guy who's not a fan of formalities. So I'm not a fan of girls who push me to go to tea parties and wear a pink sweater and become a square and do all that boring square shit. I don't know ... blaeh

When dating a stripper she's real and cool. I can totally be comfortable around her with no formalities and say anything on my mind. With strippers I have my space and respect and sometimes encouragement of who and what I am. I'm not gonna deny that some of the main reasons are because they are insanely beautiful and amazing in bed. They are open to threesomes and open for anal sex as well. It's hard to find qualities like that in non-stripper girls.

Actually I see how they are on the pole first before evaluating how good they are in bed.

There are some non-sexual reasons. The sexual reasons are usually just in the beginning stage. After I hang out with them and get to know them more I really start to like them for more than just their beauty. But that doesn't happen with all the dancers ...

Ok I had a long post written up for this, and decided it's not worth the effort to make the response. Now I just want to ask to whom you are trying to sell this load of crap. Because it sounds like so much bullshit that so many stupid losers would think and buy into. Like, if you were trying to sell a seminar of your own. Some dude knows best what we want and how to pick us up so pay today!!! Never mind what WE say ::) ugh.

I find it endlessly annoying that there are so many guys who think like this and pay some shithead(s) to teach them tactics to fuck us.

I agree with Darcy that WE should put together a book to sell to these shitheads and make the money ourselves!!

kandie_kitten
08-07-2007, 01:08 PM
Bridgette... :thanx:

And I cant really add, but to say that most strippers will refuse, point blank, no matter what, to date a customer. First off, we have house fees to pay, so we're not going to waste our time if you aren't buying. No, we aren't going to seee your "skills", because the minute you say you don't want a dance, we're going to the next guy.

And also, we don't want guys from the club because, like you, they see us as strippers first, people second. I'll accept a date from a guy at a grocery store, bookstore, whatever, but never a guy from the club.

LatinaRose
08-07-2007, 01:44 PM
Hmmm, I can't be bothered to read through all the pages but I will say this - I am a stripper that loves to party, will take it in the butt, and I like to fuck other girls. But I still wouldn't fuck you.

It's almost cute how you think you know it all though. Almost.

PaigeDWinter
08-07-2007, 02:04 PM
Since folks can't debate/discuss without name calling, this thread is closed.