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CupCake
08-17-2007, 03:56 AM
I'm sure if they explained thier situation to the prospetive employer they may have some sympathy and just tell them to come back at a certain time as opposed to calling them back.

Kaylinn
08-17-2007, 04:27 AM
Kaylinn,

I'd really like to know how the company is going to call you back to tell you that you got the job when you have no phone.


Well...When I had no phone, I told prospective employers

"I don't have a phone right now, when is good time for me to call you to find out if I got the job?"

PaigeDWinter
08-17-2007, 05:10 AM
UHH when I applied for ID I don't remember having to show anything, but thats just me.



Wow. That's gotta be cool.

In the two states I've had to get IDs in, you have to show several items.


For NY:


If you do not have a NYS driver license or or a NYS learner permit that is now valid or that was valid in the last two years, you must show proof of identity that equals a value of six points, your proof of date of birth and your Social Security Card.

It's a HUGE list of what equals what points... so here's the url for that:

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/idlicense.htm#idpoints



For FL:

Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued. Each U.S. citizen who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

One of the following (3) documents:

1. Certified United States birth certificate, including territories and District of Columbia; or
2. Valid United States passport; or
3. Certificate of Naturalization
4. Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
5. NOTE: Proof of citizenship or legal presence may be required for renewal, duplicate or replacement licenses. Please come prepared to present one of the above identification documents as proof of citizenship or legal presence.

And a secondary document, which substantiates the primary document, is required. Document may include, but is not limited to, the original or certified copy of one of the following:

1. School record stating date of birth, which must contain the registrar’s signature.
2. Transcript of the birth record filed with a public officer charged with the duty of recording certificates.
3. Baptism certificate, which shows date of birth and the place of baptism.
4. An insurance policy on the customer’s life which has been in force for at least two years and has the month, day and year of birth.
5. United States military or military dependent identification card.
* Effective April 10, 2002, United States Military ID cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
6. Florida or out-of-state driver license, valid or expired.
7. Florida license record or identification card record.
8. Selective Service Registration (Draft Card).
9. Florida Vehicle Registration certificate (HSMV 83399, owner’s copy) obtained from the tax collector’s office where the customer’s vehicle was registered, Florida, or out-of-state registration certificate, if name and date of birth are shown.
10. Florida and out-of-state non-driver identification cards (state issued).
11. Receipt copy of your last Florida driver license issuance.
12. Immigration form I-571.
13. Federal form DD-214 (military record).
14. Marriage certificate.
15. Court order, which includes legal name.
16. A Florida voter registration card, which was issued at least 3 months previously.
17. Personal identification by an examiner or by a person well known to the examiner.
18. Social Security Card.
19. Family bible record or birth announcement in baby book.
20. Parent consent form of minor.
21. Out-of-country driver license or identification card, government issued




I dunno about any of ya'll who have also been homeless... and the non-couch bouncing kind... but I didn't have any of that crap. I dunno many homeless who do.

And legal ID aside. It is VERY hard to fake having an address and phone number for a job application. Not many jobs will want to hire someone who "doesn't have a phone right now". It makes it hard for them to contact you and it doesn't make you look all that good in their eyes.

And let's take a look at the average homeless person in the 25-45 year age bracket for a moment. If they've been homeless for a long time? No previous work experience to note since like what? 10? 20 years ago? Not gonna get hired, 8 out of 10 times. References? Probably no one. Jimbo who sleeps under the bridge downtown won't be an acceptable reference.

And because of the "all homeless are crazy and/or addicts" stereotype, not many employers are gonna want to hire you if you admit that you are without permanent residency.

Also keep in mind that if you weed out the homeless folks who have mental illnesses, including ones that led to *gasp* addiction, that kinda leaves them holding the SOL bag when it comes to finding a job and functioning at said job.

whirlerz
08-17-2007, 08:14 AM
I just ignore them. I wouldn't want them to pull out my wallet and mug me. Also a lot of them lie, some of them are not even homeless, they are just professional panhandlers. Panhandlers can make a LOT of money on a busy street. Also my dad is a Vietnam vet, there is this guy with a cane who has a sign asking for help since he is supposedly a disabled veteran. My dad had a talk with this guy and figured out there is no way that he served in Nam.

Haha^ Like that scene in 'Trading Places'. It reminds me of a true story, a friend was approached at racetrack, by a 'handicapped' man w/a cane. He later saw the man straighten up, throw the cane in a brand new Caddy.

Anyway, I rarely get approached. I wouldn't give out any $.

flickad
08-17-2007, 09:59 AM
I give change if I can spare it, if not I politely tell them I can't. I think of the courage it would take for me to ask a stranger for coins and also just how horrible it must be to be at the mercy of the elements. I don't give a fuck if they're drug addicts. If I was homeless, who's to say I wouldn't be, too?

DylanAngel
08-17-2007, 10:13 AM
Some of the replies in this thread make me sick to my stomach.

Remember..."there but for the grace of God, go I" (whether you believe or not, it's a good way to see life).

I give money whenever I can. Usually, it's just enough to get a cup of coffee or something.

I'd rather be panhandled than have someone who needs it go without. Why punish the truly needy because of the dishonest?

short skirts
08-17-2007, 11:38 AM
I ask them to do something- like dance, sing, get naked, whatever. If I had to work for the money then they should too.

Once in Key West I took a homeless man named Kenny Lee from his spot in front of Fast Buck Freddie's and asked him what he made in a night. I gave him that much money and took him to the Green Parrot. He became embarrassed because it's a locals bar and the locals knew that he was homeless. he left in a hurry. I found him on someone's porch with his guitar. He took off again, leaving his bag with everything he owned in my trunk. I felt so bad but didn't know where to find him. I asked around to all the homeless people but noone knew him. I never did see Kenny Lee again. Cool guy.

Tart
08-17-2007, 11:46 AM
I have GOT to quit looking at this thread it's pissing me off beyond fucking belief.

I would NEVER ask a homeless person to get naked to earn a quarter! talk about ruthlessness.

Here's the thing. I was homeless because i was sexually abused

I know a ton that were homeless because they had serious mental health probelms and weren't able to afford care or their familes simply couldn't help them either.

And for those that are on Drugs and drinking their "lives" away, before you go into exploiting a few ...try and remember you don't knwo where in the fuck your life might end up.

& you don't know how theirs got that way.

POINT IS DON"T FUCKING JUDGE!

IT sickens me..yes physically sickens me that on this board alone, where we are all fighting stereotypes some of you are going off and judging people you don't know and stereotyping them !

Shit is not fucking fair. And here's a simple solution, don't pay any attention to them if you don't agree with their way of life. But don't go around exploiting or being an asshole.

You are no better than a customer that comes in and waves a 20 and wants you to grind his dick till your pussy chafes . Because he worked for that 20 and by god you will too.

This all reminds me of that part in the American Psycho book where Patrick batemen fucks with the homeless guy.

Tart
08-17-2007, 11:49 AM
Some of the replies in this thread make me sick to my stomach.

Remember..."there but for the grace of God, go I" (whether you believe or not, it's a good way to see life).

I give money whenever I can. Usually, it's just enough to get a cup of coffee or something.

I'd rather be panhandled than have someone who needs it go without. Why punish the truly needy because of the dishonest?

If anything this thread has completely shown the true character of some people on this board. And personally, I no longer feel sorry for some of the foul shit that happens to them at work or in their personal life.

People want compassion and not to be judged yet aren't willing to do the same for others.

Karma is a mother fucker

cameron_keys
08-17-2007, 11:51 AM
I'm sure if they explained thier situation to the prospetive employer they may have some sympathy and just tell them to come back at a certain time as opposed to calling them back.

I'm happy to see you have such faith in humanity. Sadly..I do not.

britt244
08-17-2007, 12:32 PM
I ask them to do something- like dance, sing, get naked, whatever. If I had to work for the money then they should too.

Once in Key West I took a homeless man named Kenny Lee from his spot in front of Fast Buck Freddie's and asked him what he made in a night. I gave him that much money and took him to the Green Parrot. He became embarrassed because it's a locals bar and the locals knew that he was homeless. he left in a hurry. I found him on someone's porch with his guitar. He took off again, leaving his bag with everything he owned in my trunk. I felt so bad but didn't know where to find him. I asked around to all the homeless people but noone knew him. I never did see Kenny Lee again. Cool guy.

why would you take him somewhere where he didnt want to go? wow. and he lost everything he owned because of it. just.. wow.

Tart
08-17-2007, 12:44 PM
^ yep exactly.

& to think she's proud of this.

i.breathe.in
08-17-2007, 12:55 PM
i give. its 5 bucks max, and i think that whatever that person needs it for is more important then i need it. if its drugs alcohol whatever its not my concern, its that i helped them, and did a small thing that could hopefully help them out.

gingerlee
08-17-2007, 12:55 PM
I know a ton that were homeless because they had serious mental health probelms and weren't able to afford care or their familes simply couldn't help them either.

And for those that are on Drugs and drinking their "lives" away, before you go into exploiting a few ...try and remember you don't knwo where in the fuck your life might end up.

& you don't know how theirs got that way.


Thank you. I have been that person that could not afford to get the things I needed and I got sick. Really sick. It had nothing to do with being lazy or addicted to drugs, it had to do with the fact that I was ill with nowhere to go because I had no insurance. I slept in my car for a few weeks, and the only reason I had that was because it was paid off. It took more than a month for me to get my Medicaid, and once it kicked in I could get the things I needed to get myself together again. That month was probably the saddest time of my life so far.

I never thought I would be that person, but I was for a short period of time.
Maybe that's why I do feel bad for homeless people, because I've been on that side of the fence and I know how shitty it is.

Tart
08-17-2007, 01:06 PM
Im trying so hard not to make snide rude comments.

Anyways,no one on this earth is immune from losing it all. be it mentally or money wise.

NO ONE.

Things can spiral out of control before you know it. Shit I lived in shelters only during the time I was pregnant with my first child, because they had shelters for unwed teenage mothers. I left there promptly because obviously they wanted me to hand over my son. I knew all I needed was something with a bit more money and I could afford anything.

I was working,however .. it was for 4.15 an hour and you can't afford to rent shit on that kind of money. And I had to take horrid jobs no one else wanted due to the fact I was really young and also because I had no license yet.

People take advantage of the poor and the homeless , sometimes so much so it's easier to pan handle than to put yourself in situations where you aren't making a living but only "working " so people will shut the fuck up about it all. And so that you can get some kind of assitance

AND THESE SAME PEOPLE that hate on homeless are the same fucking assholes that comment about their money they pay in taxes to those on welfare..

Get a god damn clue, you can't even get welfare unless
1. you are on SSI
2. you are working somewhere !!!

& welfare replaces your paycheck btw.. so there's no point.

It's ignorant people that are quick to talk shit but not take the time to realize how the system works.

And I had to live in a car as well ginger :( Nothing worse than when ti's -10 degrees, shelters are full and you are attempting to stay warm. I had to do this shit with a newborn..heating baby bottles using my own body heat and those tube things that attatch to the cigerette lighter to heat it up as well.

Not a great moment in my life, but it didn't make me a person worth being exploited or spoke down to . I simply didn't have a hand to help me and I had to start with ZERO and go up.

Not everyone has people willing to loan them money, or mommy and daddy to get them out of trouble.

short skirts
08-17-2007, 01:07 PM
why would you take him somewhere where he didnt want to go? wow. and he lost everything he owned because of it. just.. wow.

He did want to go.


Oh wait um yeah I put a gun to his head and ordered him into my car.

He didn't tell me he felt uncomfortable. I sensed it after we were there for a little while.

Jeez.

short skirts
08-17-2007, 01:08 PM
^ yep exactly.

& to think she's proud of this.


Well he sure was happy with the $300 I gave him.

He became very drunk and took off.

Maybe you had to be there.

End of story.

short skirts
08-17-2007, 01:09 PM
Did I fail tp mention I was living out of hotels at the time myself?

You know what?
Whatever. I don't have time for this bs.

Tart
08-17-2007, 01:10 PM
wow. That's gotta be cool.

In the two states i've had to get ids in, you have to show several items.


For ny:


If you do not have a nys driver license or or a nys learner permit that is now valid or that was valid in the last two years, you must show proof of identity that equals a value of six points, your proof of date of birth and your social security card.

It's a huge list of what equals what points... So here's the url for that:





For fl:

Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth and social security number (if issued) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued. Each u.s. Citizen who applies for an original driver license or identification card must submit:

One of the following (3) documents:

1. Certified united states birth certificate, including territories and district of columbia; or
2. Valid united states passport; or
3. Certificate of naturalization
4. Effective april 10, 2002, united states military id cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
5. Note: Proof of citizenship or legal presence may be required for renewal, duplicate or replacement licenses. Please come prepared to present one of the above identification documents as proof of citizenship or legal presence.

And a secondary document, which substantiates the primary document, is required. Document may include, but is not limited to, the original or certified copy of one of the following:

1. School record stating date of birth, which must contain the registrar’s signature.
2. Transcript of the birth record filed with a public officer charged with the duty of recording certificates.
3. Baptism certificate, which shows date of birth and the place of baptism.
4. An insurance policy on the customer’s life which has been in force for at least two years and has the month, day and year of birth.
5. United states military or military dependent identification card.
* effective april 10, 2002, united states military id cards with an officer rank will be accepted as proof of citizenship only; however, not as proof of primary identification.
6. Florida or out-of-state driver license, valid or expired.
7. Florida license record or identification card record.
8. Selective service registration (draft card).
9. Florida vehicle registration certificate (hsmv 83399, owner’s copy) obtained from the tax collector’s office where the customer’s vehicle was registered, florida, or out-of-state registration certificate, if name and date of birth are shown.
10. Florida and out-of-state non-driver identification cards (state issued).
11. Receipt copy of your last florida driver license issuance.
12. Immigration form i-571.
13. Federal form dd-214 (military record).
14. Marriage certificate.
15. Court order, which includes legal name.
16. A florida voter registration card, which was issued at least 3 months previously.
17. Personal identification by an examiner or by a person well known to the examiner.
18. Social security card.
19. Family bible record or birth announcement in baby book.
20. Parent consent form of minor.
21. Out-of-country driver license or identification card, government issued




i dunno about any of ya'll who have also been homeless... And the non-couch bouncing kind... But i didn't have any of that crap. I dunno many homeless who do.

And legal id aside. It is very hard to fake having an address and phone number for a job application. Not many jobs will want to hire someone who "doesn't have a phone right now". It makes it hard for them to contact you and it doesn't make you look all that good in their eyes.

And let's take a look at the average homeless person in the 25-45 year age bracket for a moment. If they've been homeless for a long time? No previous work experience to note since like what? 10? 20 years ago? Not gonna get hired, 8 out of 10 times. References? Probably no one. Jimbo who sleeps under the bridge downtown won't be an acceptable reference.

And because of the "all homeless are crazy and/or addicts" stereotype, not many employers are gonna want to hire you if you admit that you are without permanent residency.

Also keep in mind that if you weed out the homeless folks who have mental illnesses, including ones that led to *gasp* addiction, that kinda leaves them holding the sol bag when it comes to finding a job and functioning at said job.

thank you!!!

Tart
08-17-2007, 01:10 PM
Did I fail tp mention I was living out of hotels at the time myself?

You know what?
Whatever. I don't have time for this bs.

Yah because a fucking HOTEL is the same as a shelter!

Not that my opinion of you matters, but I seriously think you suck.

Christian*Doll*
08-17-2007, 01:18 PM
Did I fail tp mention I was living out of hotels at the time myself?

You know what?
Whatever. I don't have time for this bs.

motels!! you call that homeless??

when i moved up from streets to motels i felt like the queen of england. hot water, power,cable tv a phone and bed if you think homeless is living in a motel than you must be like paris hilltons sorry ass twin or something.truly fucking spoiled

Katrine
08-17-2007, 01:21 PM
Wow, I've learned a lot from this thread. Tart, thank you for sharing. Paige, I'm terribly interested in your story too, if you're comfortable to discuss.

The more I learn about people and life, the more humbled I am. And yes, I give. Not every time, because we have to many homeless people in Austin, but when I can.

There is a lady who pandhandles at the intersection near my house. She is so sweet, I help her regularly.

britt244
08-17-2007, 01:22 PM
i do not understand why this guy would want to go somewhere that he felt uncomfortable. and you showed no remorse or anything about the fact that he left everything he owned in your car. living out of hotels is totally not homeless. if you could afford hotels every night, you werent that bad off. ask a truly homeless person how they would feel to be able to have a hotel room for a night and a warm bed to sleep in.

Tart
08-17-2007, 01:23 PM
I dont think it's so much about giving is it is about compassion for other peoples situations.

It's awesome when we can spare food, clothing and money. But, it's honest to god just respecting the over all situation

They are still people.

And what made me more than happy. Is when people would pass me and say hi. rather than ignore me. Or when I'd get a " hello, how are you " in passing

Or even " what's your name"

shit like that matters almost as much as food. because you MEANT something right then.

I didnt want pity and I dont think a majority do. They are trying to survive just like the rest.

are there those that take advantage of their position. Of course. There are those kinds of people in every walk of life.

But its ignorant and judgmental to base an entire group of people based on limited knowledge and or the bad ones.

This same advice is what we give guys that come on here and talk shit.

A hotel is like heaven. Shit tha'ts better than a crappy apt!

You know my moment of feeling like I made it was living in a skid row motel, sitting on the floor with a 1.5 month old infant with a fake ID because at that moment in time , I was safe,...had a roof over my head. A sink in my room and now the ability to get a job as a fucking stripper to make enough cash to get us up outta there.

this is the same kind of thinking most street walkers have. And people look down on them. Let me just share something because Im so worked up over this its insane.

when girls or boy for that matter run away really young..what do you think they do to feed themselves ? I gave handjobs to OLD men as a 13 year old girl. Because to me that was better than being home and having my sick uncle coming over and fucking with me and NO ONE believing me. Unfortunatly there are a lot of women and men that get stuck in that lifestyle because after awhile you get arrested and before you get arrested you get into drugs because it's the only thing that gets you through the fucking day. And once you have those two factors, who the hell is going to hire you..and after that who's going to trust you and after that who on earth will ever respect you? Many people stay in that situation not because it's easy but because what other real choice in the matter do they have?

Sure they can get sober, but that takes a lot of work. Not that it isn't worth it. Because it is. But overall it takes believing that you are BETTER than what you've been subjecting yourself to and around . And realizing you did what you had to , to survive. Sometimes, it's worse being sober and alone with your thoughts about it though.

Then when it comes to a job, what in the hell do you say you've been doing? To be honest is great, but lets be real here.. we know just from stripping which is NOTHING compared to walking the track that it's not easy getting anyone to understand that we aren't below them.

In the end the only way of life that they can't fail at and that they do know how to contrive and survive is the streets. whether they are walking it or living on it.

britt244
08-17-2007, 01:25 PM
Not everyone has people willing to loan them money, or mommy and daddy to get them out of trouble.

my parents *would* help me, but that doesnt mean i can't be a compassionate person. i am seriously offended by some of the things in this thread even though i havent been there personally :-\

kandie_kitten
08-17-2007, 01:33 PM
I still am shaking over the "I make them work for it" comment. Make them sing/dance/get naked because you worked hard for those dollars? Jesus.

There' something nauseating about making a person who is starving, possibly ill, give up the only thing they have left (dignity) to entertain you for a dollar or two to get some food.

I've always been very lucky. I know that if something terrible happened, and I had no place to live and couldn't work, I have friends and family who would help me. I wouldn't starve, I wouldn't sleep on the street. But I KNOW how unbelievably lucky I am, and it makes me want to help. I have never known what it's like to seriously go hungry; and because of that, I try to make sure that no one else does either, if I can help it.

Taylorlila
08-17-2007, 01:36 PM
I live in Maine...and not in the city, so I rarely see homeless people. Most of the homless here are in Portland. On the rare occasion that I do get him up for spare chang or see a homeless person, I try to give what I can. Or if I just visited dunkin donuts, I'll give them some food. Most people arent homeless because they up and decided it would be the cool thing to do one day. Theres usually a reason. I don't remember the song...it parodies a lot of things (strippers inclued) and has a part about a man telling ahomeless guy to "get a job"...then goes into McDonalds having a "no underwear on the outside" policy. Its true...its not going to be easy to find a job when your beard reaches your nipples and your carrying plastic bags of cans. And like it was mentioned above, if some of my money gets spent on booze or drugs...big deal...its not like I've never bought bad things.

And Tart, I agree with what you said about seeing someone dope sick...I've never been there myself...but I've seen friends who have...at that point another fix isnt going to make a huge difference in "getting them clean", but it will make life at least liveable for the time being.

That aside we do have a man where my bf's shop is, that walks up and down the street with a sign that either says "need money for food", or "need money, lost". He lives down the street and comes in here weekly to buy dirty movies...

I also feel the need to mention Mr. Butch from Boston..I never met him, but my sister told me about him. I guess he was a big part of Boston. A homeless 6 foot tall rasta man. He died not too long ago, he saved up and bought a scooter and crashed it :(. They always shared joints and cigarettes and food with him. He sometimes carried a sign that said "will have sex for sandwhichs." He was truly an amazing person from what I've heard....homeless was just part of his lifestyle.
My sister fist met him when she was 16 i think. Her and her friends had snuck to a concert, in December or something, and missed the train home. He had them come squat with him in the old house he was squatting at because it was cold and no one would mess with them there. That was 20 or so years ago. I got teared up when she told me about it, and never even met him :(.

Taylorlila
08-17-2007, 01:41 PM
I ask them to do something- like dance, sing, get naked, whatever. If I had to work for the money then they should too.

.

Hey, don't you love it when youre on stage and a guy wags his $1 and says "you gotta work for this dollar!". Thats what youre doing to these homeless people...only ten times worse.

Deni
08-17-2007, 01:42 PM
They are still people.

I think that's the bottom line. Just because they are in a bad situation does not make them less worthy of caring or compassion than someone who is better off. I really appreciate you being so open about your struggles, Tart.

I do have a question for you guys, though...Tart, Paige...anyone else who was in this kind of situation. When there were people that gave something to you, was there something you appreciated most? Something in particular or money?

I love to help people out when I'm able to, and I'd just like some opinions from you guys on what really helped or meant the most.

Tart
08-17-2007, 01:59 PM
I think my biggest "gift" because that's what money,food etc actually was to me. A blanket. I don't know if maybe that's why I constantly acquire , horde and stash em' now or not. I have on seriously everywhere. including my car!! But there's a lot to be said about recieving a non bulky blanket.

Oversized jackets were a blessing since a lot of times you have to wear most of what you own so it's not stolen.

Backpacks were great,obviously for carrying things

But once this woman ( and I'll never ever forget this ) asked me random questions like my name and when my birthday was. come around the time of my bday she gave me a card.

No money or anything in it. But I broke down and cried. it made me feel really good about being alive that day. And changed how I saw people.

The worst things you can give, .. cans of anything. heavy..not easily opened. And when you get robbed by assholes they use em as weapons.

Tart
08-17-2007, 02:01 PM
^ Hi troll

Deni
08-17-2007, 02:02 PM
Thanks, Tart. :)

The part about the card made me get teary eyed!

short skirts
08-17-2007, 02:20 PM
i do not understand why this guy would want to go somewhere that he felt uncomfortable. and you showed no remorse or anything about the fact that he left everything he owned in your car. living out of hotels is totally not homeless. if you could afford hotels every night, you werent that bad off. ask a truly homeless person how they would feel to be able to have a hotel room for a night and a warm bed to sleep in.

First off, Kenny told me he made $300/night playing his guitar in front of Fast Buck Freddy's. He did this every single night. I thought maybe he needed a night off so I offered to give him what he's make in a night. He happily obliged. I assume a person who makes $300/day can afford some sort of shelter. He chose to spend his money on booze. And yeah I felt real bad about having his duffel bag. That's why we drove around for hours around Key West talking to all the other homeless people. I looked for Kenny every time I went to Key West after that and never could find him. I did write that earlier but I guess you chose to overlook it.

And I've slept in my car PLENTY of nights. I'm not comparing myself to a homeless person because I'm not. In fact I am spoiled. I live in a HUGE house that I pay very little for. I live next to my Mom's business. In fact, I don't dance as of two mos ago because I don't have to. My parents give me whatever I need that my bartending job doesn't pay for.

So f-ing what.

Does that make me better than anyone? Absolutely not. That's just me. Love me or hate me, it's my world.

Off to my bartending job at my Mom's bar next door to my lovely house.:)

short skirts
08-17-2007, 02:21 PM
Hey, don't you love it when youre on stage and a guy wags his $1 and says "you gotta work for this dollar!". Thats what youre doing to these homeless people...only ten times worse.

Umm I did shake my ass for that dollar. Why on earth would I give my hard earned money away? At least do something for it. it doesn't have to be hard.

Tart
08-17-2007, 02:29 PM
Holy shit! lol

:shakes head:

Seriously no wonder you chase men away

Jenny
08-17-2007, 02:32 PM
It would never occur to me to make someone work for a charitable impulse. Nor would it ever occur to buy someone food rather than give them the cash. I mean, for one thing, that is way, way more trouble. For another, if the person is a schizophrenic alcoholic he or she really needs the booze more than the food. Again - charitable impulse. It does not give me the right to run their life for them.

Further this thing with "every/several/most panhandlers are wealthy people" - urban myth, people.

britt244
08-17-2007, 02:33 PM
Umm I did shake my ass for that dollar. Why on earth would I give my hard earned money away? At least do something for it. it doesn't have to be hard.

no you didnt. you dont dance anymore, remember? because mommy gives you everything you want.

im far from hard off, i am spoiled to some people. sure, my parents loan me money for anything i cant pay at the moment. but its a loan. and that is for bills for my apt and shit, not my credit cards if i choose to run them up to the point that i cant pay them. my parents pay part of my rent, and that's only til i finish school. and they pay most of my school loans. i know how lucky i am, and i would never brag about being spoiled like you just did. i just have a totally different impression of you now.

Tart
08-17-2007, 02:39 PM
People that brag in my experience are lonely bitter shit stains. And only brag to make other people feel bad.

You can't buy personality , compassion or awesomeness which is obviously apparent in this thread.

I have it good too, for the record.. Because I made shit that way..

But I got this lil' thing call pride. My dad is rich too..He worked his ass off for his money. I could easily sit around and do nothing and let him save me from stripping .god knows he'd like to. But too bad it's Time to do my bit in this world.

There is NOTHING wrong with parents helping their child through school etc. I have kids and wouldn't think twice about it. But there is something wrong with kids taking advantage of their parents.

People taking advantage of their parents love , are NO better than these homeless that "take advantage" that they are referring to. Or those abusing the welfare system that they cry about .

They are actually probably worse considering they are given all the advantages of life and choose to be a lazy mooch .

PS brit I LOVE your signature lol!!

short skirts
08-17-2007, 02:42 PM
no you didnt. you dont dance anymore, remember? because mommy gives you everything you want.

im far from hard off, i am spoiled to some people. sure, my parents loan me money for anything i cant pay at the moment. but its a loan. and that is for bills for my apt and shit, not my credit cards if i choose to run them up to the point that i cant pay them. my parents pay part of my rent, and that's only til i finish school. and they pay most of my school loans. i know how lucky i am, and i would never brag about being spoiled like you just did. i just have a totally different impression of you now.


My parents help me so I don't have to struggle AS hard as I do. Them helping me with a few things keeps me out of the strip clubs at 31. It's not time for me to run the business yet so I make shit for money until then. My Mother & Father worked very hard so that I didn't have to go through hardships. I work for everything they give me btw. Think whatcha want..

britt244
08-17-2007, 02:46 PM
PS brit I LOVE your signature lol!!

thanks! :P

britt244
08-17-2007, 02:48 PM
And I've slept in my car PLENTY of nights. I'm not comparing myself to a homeless person because I'm not. In fact I am spoiled. I live in a HUGE house that I pay very little for. I live next to my Mom's business. In fact, I don't dance as of two mos ago because I don't have to. My parents give me whatever I need that my bartending job doesn't pay for.


My parents help me so I don't have to struggle AS hard as I do. Them helping me with a few things keeps me out of the strip clubs at 31. It's not time for me to run the business yet so I make shit for money until then. My Mother & Father worked very hard so that I didn't have to go through hardships. I work for everything they give me btw. Think whatcha want..

ok ::) youre just trying to make it sound better now. sheesh.

Christian*Doll*
08-17-2007, 02:52 PM
tell yourself whatever ya want so your spoilded ass can sleep nobody really cares

short skirts
08-17-2007, 02:56 PM
sweet.

Lysondra
08-17-2007, 04:21 PM
Man... this post inspired me to get a bunch of my friends together to buy blankets for the homeless down the street. The world is so mean, I have so much, and all they want is food and warmth.

buffie06
08-17-2007, 04:30 PM
one time, when i was new to dallas, I was eating in a McDonalds parking lot (daytime) and one came up and knocked on my window. I had never really seen a homeless person before and was scared, i ignored him and kept eating. He banged on my window really hard and told me to I was a bitch and nobody fuckin ignores him, he ran away and I was scared he would return so I left asap.

Tart
08-17-2007, 04:50 PM
^ Yah we have a few of those that irritate the shit out of me. People shouldn't

1. interrupt me while Im eating ..PERIOD
2. walk in the midst of traffic or hold up traffic lights begging for change.

I hate that shit. I'm tolerant of a lot. But people that do that shit do it to annoy you into doing something FOR THEM.

Anyone in life that does that..homeless, rich etc is in the wrong.

And yes people know right from wrong. And no one has to be rude.

PaigeDWinter
08-17-2007, 05:20 PM
Paige, I'm terribly interested in your story too, if you're comfortable to discuss.

I usually don't go too far into the story... Both times I was living in and around Grand Central... both between the time I was 14 and 18. It was a combination of getting out of the mental health system's so-called residentials... a lot of emotional issues... poor medicational choices... I kinda lost my head and took off. If I have really bad panic attacks, the urge to flee takes over. Usually for the day or such, but those two times... I just took off. Didn't try to go back. Didn't know if I could. Then, once I was out there, the outright fear of being caught and sent back to said "residentials" was so strong...




I do have a question for you guys, though...Tart, Paige...anyone else who was in this kind of situation. When there were people that gave something to you, was there something you appreciated most? Something in particular or money?


This might sound weird... but the best thing ever for me was if someone bought me soup. Just soup. I got my veggies and meat.... and rehydration.

Once time a lady who was heading through Grand Central on her way home after Christmas? She actually sat her suitcase down, rummaged through it, and gave me a sweater and two pairs of winter socks. That was just mind blowing to me. I told her that I felt bad cause I don't sing or play the bucket or anything fancy for it... and she didn't want a thing. She said that she hated to see kids end up cold.

Another great gift, well it was a gift to me.... was that some of the adult homeless folks I slept near actually DID try to help me out. They taught me where to sleep, when to sleep, where to ask for change, what shops wouldn't kick me out even if I HAD money for food... how to bathe, how to deal with everyday shite like menstruation and headaches....

Deni
08-17-2007, 05:25 PM
Thanks, Paige. I really appreciate you guys being so open about all of this. It gives me a whole different perspective, and I've learned a lot from both you and Tart.

:)

Tart
08-17-2007, 05:27 PM
^ Same here! When I was on the greyhound traveling to NY when I ran away these kids that were squatters in Philly told me about a place in NY Icould stay dry..find other people to squat with etc.

They actually were on their way there and we went to the now defunct NASA. They were filming the movie KIDS there that day ..sorta ironic now. But thanks to them I knew what to tell people and what to lie about.. where not to sleep and the names of people to stay away from.

I was 12.5 roughly ..had packed barbies in my fucking suitcase and literally had never did anything remotely close to what I was about to get myself into.

Unfortunatly these same kids told me doing heroin ( up the nose ) was not only a sure bet to stay away from ODing and also kept me warm and would help me fall asleep at night so that I could get up and work early work shifts .

Paige I think we are around the same age. Odd we were in the same areas..weird if we knew one another then

ExoticEngineer
08-17-2007, 05:38 PM
The more I learn about people and life, the more humbled I am.




But its ignorant and judgmental to base an entire group of people based on limited knowledge and or the bad ones.

I stopped posting in this thread a while back, seeing it going in a hard to handle direction...but I wanted to say, these two comments summed up exactly how this thread made me feel.

After reading the experiences some of you women have had, and reading some of the bitter and nasty words from others, I want to apologize. I think I may have been very blinded.

Paige, Tart and others, you are amazing women in my eyes, in so many ways.