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yoda57us
09-16-2007, 06:41 AM
Ultimately the dancer determines her self-worth regardless of what sort of price structure or promotional dance specials a club may have. I know ladies who participate in 2fer's and I know quite a few that simply don't work on the days when they are in effect. Heck, one club I go to runs 2fer specials randomly and you can see half the girls head for the dressing room to hide every time the DJ announces one.

I visited a long-time fav last night who normally charges five bucks more than the going rate per dance and stays busy all night. That being said we both joke about the fact that I met her seven years ago when she approached me about doing a two for one dance special at her old club. I did the two fer and about ten more dances that night and have been a steady customer for a long time.

Pricing wisely is not always about giving the customer a bargain but sometimes, in the right venue, a "special offer" can bring long term income benefits.

britt244
09-16-2007, 06:51 AM
You get EXACTLY what you pay for.

yup. if you want a 2 for 1 dance, you're going to get about as much energy as i'd put into 1 dance alone.

Star Player
09-16-2007, 11:53 AM
Dancer's face a lot of competetion and if they are going to get cash flow they are going to have to go with the market. Sometimes a club is not attracting much of a crowd and I have seen 2 for 1 or $20 dances reduced to $10 dances and this will turn the club around. Its all about the deal and quality time a dancer will spend with me. If she comes across simply as a hustler, well I write her off and go for the other girls who can give me what I am looking for. What I especially can't stand is gals who try to charge above the posted rate or disappear when the club is offering 2 for 1.

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 12:06 PM
Dancer's face a lot of competetion and if they are going to get cash flow they are going to have to go with the market. Sometimes a club is not attracting much of a crowd and I have seen 2 for 1 or $20 dances reduced to $10 dances and this will turn the club around. Its all about the deal and quality time a dancer will spend with me. If she comes across simply as a hustler, well I write her off and go for the other girls who can give me what I am looking for. What I especially can't stand is gals who try to charge above the posted rate or disappear when the club is offering 2 for 1.

Well, as I said I've taken advantage of discount dancing in the past and will again. I don't really have a problem with a dancer who wants no part of it. Fact is I drive past a favorite club of mine that does all day 2fers on Monday and Tuesdays to pay full price a few miles down the road where the girls that I like are working.

I can fully understand why most dancers, even the ones who go along with discount dances, can't stand them. For every guy like me who could take it or leave it, there are ten cheap pricks who hide at the bar all day and then go looking for a girl as soon as the DJ announces the 2fer.

I understand the laws of supply and demand but the fact is, in strip clubs, I've seen it backfire plenty in that the women who are willing to give away the goods for less are often not the ones you want. I'd rather pay full price for a lady that floats my boat. It's $20 or $30 bucks for cryin' out loud. If you can't afford it just stay home and watch porn....

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 12:49 PM
I understand the laws of supply and demand but the fact is, in strip clubs, I've seen it backfire plenty in that the women who are willing to give away the goods for less are often not the ones you want. I'd rather pay full price for a lady that floats my boat. It's $20 or $30 bucks for cryin' out loud. If you can't afford it just stay home and watch porn....

Thank you! Fuck all the excuses and bullshit. Either pay a girl the price she is asking, or leave her the fuck alone. If somebody doesn't want to give a discount, there is a reason behind it. Quit complaining about having to pay so much to have a girl dance for you.

Stop trying to play 'Let's Make a Deal' with the dancers. We hate it. You're not at a flea market or a yard sale. I don't come to your job and ask you to Super Size my fries for free, so don't come to mine and try to pull that shit. If you can't/won't pay the asking price for a dance, go home and jerk off to some porn. There are tons of free sites, so you won't have to ask for a discount from them. ::)

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 01:40 PM
I don't come to your job and ask you to Super Size my fries for free, so don't come to mine and try to pull that shit. If you can't/won't pay the asking price for a dance, go home and jerk off to some porn. There are tons of free sites, so you won't have to ask for a discount from them. ::)

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Here's a thread that might help...

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79215
(http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79215)

SportsWriter2
09-16-2007, 01:40 PM
If you can't/won't pay the asking price for a dance, go home and jerk off to some porn. There are tons of free sites, so you won't have to ask for a discount from them. ::)

Also good advice if you don't have time or the clubs are closed. Recommended actresses on include

Ginger Lee (white), Courtney Devine (ebony) and Kat (Latina) :)

bem401
09-16-2007, 01:47 PM
Phil and DJoser, while I sometimes feel badly for the treatment and lack of respect afforded to dancers by some of the patrons, the girls are all choosing to be there. That doesn't excuse the behavior of the guys, but WTF, its a strip club. As I think Jenny might have said, it can be a pretty seedy place. If a guy complains he felt he got taken advantage of in a strip club, no one cries any tears for him. Dancers put themselves in an environment ripe for their being disrespected, so they know they'll have to deal with the occasional asshole.

I also don't understand the mentality that says its all right to compromise my dignity for $30, but if you ask my to compromise it for $20, I'm insulted. Girls I am friendly with will complain to me about the way they feel they get treated in the club and I am at a loss for what to tell them other than " well, look at the source". Nobody entering a club should expect the best of behavior from the opposite sex.

miabella
09-16-2007, 02:01 PM
Phil and DJoser, while I sometimes feel badly for the treatment and lack of respect afforded to dancers by some of the patrons, the girls are all choosing to be there. That doesn't excuse the behavior of the guys, but WTF, its a strip club. As I think Jenny might have said, it can be a pretty seedy place. If a guy complains he felt he got taken advantage of in a strip club, no one cries any tears for him. Dancers put themselves in an environment ripe for their being disrespected, so they know they'll have to deal with the occasional asshole.

I also don't understand the mentality that says its all right to compromise my dignity for $30, but if you ask my to compromise it for $20, I'm insulted. Girls I am friendly with will complain to me about the way they feel they get treated in the club and I am at a loss for what to tell them other than " well, look at the source". Nobody entering a club should expect the best of behavior from the opposite sex.

your lack of empathy and comprehension is astounding.

i am about one of the most ambivalent ex-dancers here regarding the subject of stripping (and other sexwork) and whether it's a good idea for women to do or not, and even i understand the concept of boundaries that seem stupid to other people, but essential to you.

you wouldn't fail to understand a lawyer wanting 200 per hour and being insulted at being offered 180. even a lady lawyer.

as for the whole 'stripclubs are dens of iniquity, dancers deserve to SUFFER for your moneys!' thing you put out there, it's inaccurate. at stripclubs, men are MEN, and that does not mean they are wholly bad or untoward in their behavior. it means, actually, you get the full range of male behaviors more than you would get the full range OTC.

cameron_keys
09-16-2007, 02:08 PM
I also don't understand the mentality that says its all right to compromise my dignity for $30, but if you ask my to compromise it for $20, I'm insulted. Girls I am friendly with will complain to me about the way they feel they get treated in the club and I am at a loss for what to tell them other than " well, look at the source". Nobody entering a club should expect the best of behavior from the opposite sex.


1) who said we are compromising our dignity? If we were to discount ourselves...THAT would be compromising our dignity. At asking price it's just doing our job

and 2) yes,we KNOW that the environment can be seedy. We accept that we will have to put up with assholes. Does it mean we SHOULD? OF course not.Does it mean we dont have the right to rip a guy a new one if he disrespects us or acts like a fucking tool? Nope. THATS the trade off. We know it'll happen...but unlike "normal" the customer is always right jobs....I can tell the douchebag to go fuck himself and refuse to talk to him anymore.

3) nobody gives a shit if a guy complains he was ripped off because 9 times out 10 he feels "ripped off" because he expected MORE then he should have. I dont have any sympathy for the guy who EXPECTED to get laid and now is crying because ALL he got was a dance.

bem401
09-16-2007, 02:19 PM
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you wouldn't fail to understand a lawyer wanting 200 per hour and being insulted at being offered 180. even a lady lawyer.

Without going anywhere near the topic of comparing strippers to lawyers, I doubt any lawyer is insulted when a client looks to reduce his legal fees.


.as for the whole 'stripclubs are dens of iniquity, dancers deserve to SUFFER for your moneys!' thing you put out there, it's inaccurate. at stripclubs, men are MEN, and that does not mean they are wholly bad or untoward in their behavior. it means, actually, you get the full range of male behaviors more than you would get the full range OTC.

I never said anything of the sort. I said a dancer can expect to meet the occasional asshole. My point wasn't that all male behavior is bad ( or female behavior for that matter ), but it is on the whole probably worse than one encounters OTC.

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 02:23 PM
Phil and DJoser, while I sometimes feel badly for the treatment and lack of respect afforded to dancers by some of the patrons, the girls are all choosing to be there. That doesn't excuse the behavior of the guys, but WTF, its a strip club...

I also don't understand the mentality that says its all right to compromise my dignity for $30, but if you ask my to compromise it for $20, I'm insulted. Girls I am friendly with will complain to me about the way they feel they get treated in the club and I am at a loss for what to tell them other than " well, look at the source".

If your mechanic tells you that it's $30 for an oil change are you going to offer him $20? Are you going to be shocked if he gets insulted? You don't think he's going to call you a jerk after you drive away?

You are simply making excuses for and condoning bad behavior BEM. Since when do common courtesy and human decency vary according to the venue? It's OK for a guy to act like an A-hole because he's inside a strip club? Yes, bad behavior happens but where it is happening doesn't make it OK, expected or warranted.

You do realize that you just took a giant swipe at all dancers everywhere, including the ones you call your friends, by saying that they don't deserve to be treated with respect simply because they choose to strip for a living....

bem401
09-16-2007, 02:32 PM
1) who said we are compromising our dignity? If we were to discount ourselves...THAT would be compromising our dignity. At asking price it's just doing our job.

I know plenty of girls who feel that way and in fact that term came straight from their mouths and referred to the job in general, not just to dealing with bargain hunters.


and 2) yes,we KNOW that the environment can be seedy. We accept that we will have to put up with assholes. Does it mean we SHOULD? OF course not.Does it mean we dont have the right to rip a guy a new one if he disrespects us or acts like a fucking tool? Nope. THATS the trade off. We know it'll happen...but unlike "normal" the customer is always right jobs....I can tell the douchebag to go fuck himself and refuse to talk to him anymore.

3) nobody gives a shit if a guy complains he was ripped off because 9 times out 10 he feels "ripped off" because he expected MORE then he should have. I dont have any sympathy for the guy who EXPECTED to get laid and now is crying because ALL he got was a dance.

I don't see how these points differ substantially from what I said. My point was anyone who enters a SC should do so with their eyes wide open and not be overly surprised at what can happen there.

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 02:36 PM
You do realize that you just took a giant swipe at all dancers everywhere, including the ones you call your friends, by saying that they don't deserve to be treated with respect simply because they choose to strip for a living....

Yoda, I'm loving you as of late. Are you hanging out in my brain?

bem401
09-16-2007, 02:38 PM
If your mechanic tells you that it's $30 for an oil change are you going to offer him $20? Are you going to be shocked if he gets insulted? You don't think he's going to call you a jerk after you drive away?

You are simply making excuses for and condoning bad behavior BEM. Since when do common courtesy and human decency vary according to the venue? It's OK for a guy to act like an A-hole because he's inside a strip club? Yes, bad behavior happens but where it is happening doesn't make it OK, expected or warranted.

You do realize that you just took a giant swipe at all dancers everywhere, including the ones you call your friends, by saying that they don't deserve to be treated with respect simply because they choose to strip for a living....

I'm not making excuses for anybody Yoda. Bad behavior is bad behavior, end of story. I treat all the girls with common courtesy and human decency and I'm sure you do too, but the point is far too many guys in the club don't.

And I never said they don't deserve to be treated with respect. I said they shouldn't be surprised nor take it too personally when they are treated poorly in a SC.

cameron_keys
09-16-2007, 02:39 PM
I know plenty of girls who feel that way and in fact that term came straight from their mouths and referred to the job in general, not just to dealing with bargain hunters..
If they feel that way..they shouldnt be doing the job. Dont assume we all feel that way.



I don't see how these points differ substantially from what I said. My point was anyone who enters a SC should do so with their eyes wide open and not be overly surprised at what can happen there.

You phrased it in a way that sounded as if we should expect to be disrepected and not complain. That we should just accept it as part of the job. No.
Do I assume some guys will be dicks in the club? Sure...I'm not an idiot. Drunk horney guys are usually assholes no matter where you are. But that doesnt mean I have to put up with it.
So to your friends..instead of saying "well...look where you are"...you could tell them to stand up for themselves and put the guys in their place when they get out of line. No matter where you work...it is NOT ok to be disrespected.

bem401
09-16-2007, 02:53 PM
If they feel that way..they shouldnt be doing the job. Dont assume we all feel that way.

the ones who've used that phrase are either out or never stop talking about getting out.





You phrased it in a way that sounded as if we should expect to be disrepected and not complain. That we should just accept it as part of the job. No.
Do I assume some guys will be dicks in the club? Sure...I'm not an idiot. Drunk horney guys are usually assholes no matter where you are. But that doesnt mean I have to put up with it.
So to your friends..instead of saying "well...look where you are"...you could tell them to stand up for themselves and put the guys in their place when they get out of line. No matter where you work...it is NOT ok to be disrespected.

Maybe it was poorly phrased. Like you said, drunk horny guys are usually assholes and there is no shortage of them in a club. Some of my friends would be very reluctant to make a scene so I don't even suggest they put the guy in his place. I once had to put a male friend of mine in place for disrespecting one of my dancer friends right in front of me so I certainly don't condone that behavior. My comment " consider the source " was meant only to try to get them not to take it personally. The guy was probably destined to insult someone that night. She just happend to be unfortunate to be in the wrong place when it happened.

Phil-W
09-16-2007, 03:00 PM
And I never said they don't deserve to be treated with respect. I said they shouldn't be surprised nor take it too personally when they are treated poorly in a SC.

Dancers aren't robots BEM, they're individuals with feelings. For all you can say they shouldn't take in personally, it doesn't happen that way.

OK, they might be able not to take individuals too personally, but over the months it becomes a drip feed of being treated poorly. One-off's people can deal with - but dealing with it every day month on month in the work environment's not so easy.

From my experience there are very few dancers that can totally separate their private lives from their work. It means when they walk away from the club, they carry a little bit of emotional baggage away with them as well. And over time that builds up.

Phil.

bem401
09-16-2007, 03:18 PM
Dancers aren't robots BEM, they're individuals with feelings. For all you can say they shouldn't take in personally, it doesn't happen that way.

OK, they might be able not to take individuals too personally, but over the months it becomes a drip feed of being treated poorly. One-off's people can deal with - but dealing with it every day month on month in the work environment's not so easy.

From my experience there are very few dancers that can totally separate their private lives from their work. It means when they walk away from the club, they carry a little bit of emotional baggage away with them as well. And over time that builds up.

Phil.

Where did I say they were robots? I was merely advocating that they take things as impersonally as possible. I know that is easier said than done but it doesn't mean they shouldn't try to ignore the bullshit as best they can. I think a lot of the comments I've made have been taken out of context or maybe were poorly phrased by me. When one of my friends tells me about her being disrespected in a club recently, there isn't much I can say to her other than " Hey, its a SC and that sort of thing is bound to happen occasionally. Don't take it personally, the guy was an asshole".

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 03:19 PM
I'm not making excuses for anybody Yoda. Bad behavior is bad behavior, end of story. I treat all the girls with common courtesy and human decency and I'm sure you do too, but the point is far too many guys in the club don't.

It has nothing to do with how you are I treat anybody Bem. I'm confident that I'm not treating any women badly inside or outside of the club...well accept for that bitch that called me an asshole when I wouldn't tip her a few years ago...her told to F-off!
Anyway, You made a statement that dancers should expect bad behavior from customers. I only read posts, not minds....but that sounds like you are legitimizing it based on the venue to me.


And I never said they don't deserve to be treated with respect. I said they shouldn't be surprised nor take it too personally when they are treated poorly in a SC.

Again, why on earth should any woman not react negatively when she is treated poorly anyplace?

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 03:24 PM
Yoda, I'm loving you as of late. Are you hanging out in my brain?

I have been accused of being an exotic dancer in a past life...maybe I was using your brain....If you ever make it to Boston we can compare notes...:hat:

bem401
09-16-2007, 03:38 PM
It has nothing to do with how you are I treat anybody Bem. I'm confident that I'm not treating any women badly inside or outside of the club...well accept for that bitch that called me an asshole when I wouldn't tip her a few years ago...her told to F-off!
Anyway, You made a statement that dancers should expect bad behavior from customers. I only read posts, not minds....but that sounds like you are legitimizing it based on the venue to me.



Again, why on earth should any woman not react negatively when she is treated poorly anyplace?

I don't recall saying they should expect it, but they shouldn't be surprised and take it too personally when it happens. I'm not legitimizing bad behavior anywhere it occurs, but said behavior would seem to me to be more prevalent in a strip club than most other places. Like CK said, drunk horny guys are usually assholes and I added that there is no shortage of them in SC's.

If one of your friends said to you " can you believe some guy did ( or said ) this to me the other day?", and it clearly upset her, how else would you respond other than to commiserate with her to the extent possible and say " he was just some asshole, don't let it get to you"? Because if there is a better way to respond, I'd like to know it the next time I'm in that position.

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 03:57 PM
The difference here is that you seem to accept it and I don't. It's just that simple.

There is no place or circumstance where mistreating a woman should be tolerated, expected or accepted and there is no circumstance under which she shouldn't be hurt or outraged when it happens. The blanket excuse of drunk and horny men or it being a strip club just doesn't fly with me.

I'm not going to tell you how to handle your conversations in strip clubs and obviously I'm not accusing you of any bad behavior other than apparent indifference.

bem401
09-16-2007, 05:45 PM
The difference here is that you seem to accept it and I don't. It's just that simple.

There is no place or circumstance where mistreating a woman should be tolerated, expected or accepted and there is no circumstance under which she shouldn't be hurt or outraged when it happens. The blanket excuse of drunk and horny men or it being a strip club just doesn't fly with me.

I'm not going to tell you how to handle your conversations in strip clubs and obviously I'm not accusing you of any bad behavior other than apparent indifference.

I don't accept it. It's just that there is very little that you or I can do to stop it. In the one instance that comes to mind where I witnessed it in front of me, perpetrated by one of my male friends towards one of the girls I'm friendly with, I immediately berated him for being disrespectful and he apologized. My dancer friend later told me she felt like slugging him and might have if I hadn't spoken up. More often than not, I hear about it after the fact or outside the club and there's not much that can be done at that point other than to encourage her not to let some inconsiderate guy from the club get under her skin. I'm not indifferent to it but its nothing I have any control over either. The fact that disrespectful behavior tends to be exhibited by men who are drunk and horny doesn't justify it, but it does help explain it.

Jenny
09-16-2007, 05:55 PM
I don't accept it. It's just that there is very little that you or I can do to stop it.Well. You could stop telling us to accept it as a fact of life. We are aware of "reality", you know - living in it and all. Telling us that it is a part of life and not something we should mind, and by inference, that it is no big deal and we should just understand that we are second class citizens of the earth is not useful or helpful to us, and I can't imagine that it is for you. So I wonder what you are trying to contribute with it.

britt244
09-16-2007, 06:23 PM
oh my. all i want to say is thank you yoda and ginger. i dont even have to add anything to your posts ;D

UtahMike
09-16-2007, 07:30 PM
A couple of thoughts, and they have nothing to do with the quality of dances or the cheap attitudes of the customers.

First thought: Most ATMs dispense cash in multiples of twenty dollars. Most guys will visit an ATM on the way to the club and draw out what they plan on spending that might.

Second thought: Most guys do not have unlimited funds to spend at strip clubs, so what they draw at the ATM is what they are going to spend.

Third thought: If they come in with, say, $200, pay a $20 cover charge, and buy a beer for $4 plus a $1 tip, they have $175 left. Likely they will buy several more beers in the course of the evening, and the bigger the tip to the waitress, the more likely she will be back promptly with a beer that is cold when the previous one is finished. So, another $15 for more beers over the evening, probably more. But this leaves him with $160.

Fourth thought: He will tip some at the stage. Maybe he will tip every dancer a couple of bucks, or he will tip a couple of dancers more. There goes another $20 to $40 dollars. Ths leaves him with $120 to $140. Let's say it's $140.

If dances are $20, he is going to buy seven dances. If they are $25, he is going to buy five dances and have $15 left over. He will either leave with this money, buy three more beers, tip at the stage, or some combination.

From the customer's point of view, he wants $20 dances because he gets more. From the dancers POV, she wants $25 because she makes more. (She will sell the two dances he did not get to someone else.)

Every guy is going to spend as much as he can bring with him in the club for the most (or best) dances he can get. If he has more than $200, the same math applies, except he buys more dances.

Obviously, this does not apply to rich guys who can spend as much as they want.

yoda57us
09-16-2007, 07:58 PM
I'll admit I don't put nearly that much thought into it Mike. I'm not really sure what it has to do with the topic at hand but I'll play....

I usually take out the max -$350-and I already have a couple of hundred on me. I go to many different clubs. No cover or $5 cover during the day, $3 to $5 for bottled water, maybe $20 to $30 invested in drinks for dancers, another $20 or so for tips to barmaids and waitresses. Dance prices range from $15, $20 and $25 to $130 for 15 minutes, $350 or $450 for an hour. I base my purchasing decision on exactly one criteria: Which dancer do I want to see that day and which club I have to go to to see her. I'm certainly not rich but I go to have a good time and I spend my entertainment budget primarily on women in the sex industry.

At the risk of sounding like broken record I just can't see settling for a gal I don't care for or pissing-off a potential hot time over a few bucks. Call me crazy....

Star Player
09-16-2007, 08:10 PM
At times since I am a wheeler dealer (coin business) I will ask a dancer for discounts - say wave a Ben at her and say "make me an offer I can't refuse."
Or if she makes a counter offer I may meet her halfway in a situation where we are negotiating a price. The smart ones will take the counter offer.

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 08:16 PM
At times since I am a wheeler dealer (coin business) I will ask a dancer for discounts - say wave a Ben at her and say "make me an offer I can't refuse."
Or if she makes a counter offer I may meet her halfway in a situation where we are negotiating a price. The smart ones will take the counter offer.

A whole hundred dollars? They must faint when they see money like that.

britt244
09-16-2007, 08:29 PM
A whole hundred dollars? They must faint when they see money like that.

what, that isnt a lot to you? ;) i know i'd be jumping up and down i'd be so excited!

and yoda.. can you come to my club please? there needs to be more customers like you out there who actually understand and treat girls with respect! though i'm not sure that your conversational skills will be up to par now that i'm hoping and praying for someone with the amazing wit of starplayer to walk through the door every night...::)

cameron_keys
09-16-2007, 08:34 PM
A whole hundred dollars? They must faint when they see money like that.

I dont faint. I just grab a baby wipe and fall to my knees. I mean..come on..its a BEN! I mean..the conversation and his business card would have made my night...a BEN TOO??? I'd be BEGGING for him to sperminate me.


Of course...we are assuming he means a Benjamin or hundred dollar bill. Its just as likely he just calls his penis Ben and thats what he is waving at her.

Lapaholic
09-16-2007, 08:52 PM
I dont faint. I just grab a baby wipe and fall to my knees.

I think a peed myself I laffed so hard !!!! U keep baby wipes handy - wow!.

I second Yoda. I dont haggle or negotiate. It so not worth my time or the dancers. FOr crying out loud, just go to the PD area and get that lap dance!!! WE go to these clubs to have fun not conduct high finance!!! Be courteous to everyone and be sure to tip the waitress!!!

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 08:56 PM
'Pricing Wisely, A Tale By Ginger Lee'

I am allowed to pick whatever price I want to use for private dances when I go to clubs. Some clubs tell me to charge more than I actually do, because even I think $100 for 3 minutes of me giving you a dance is a little much. Yes, I said $100 dance from me is too much. I charge less than that, unless a guy is 'special'.

'Special' guys really do get special prices. If I know they are going to try to pull some haggling bullshit, my price is double what I charge 'regular' guys, and I don't feel bad about it. If they are total assclowns, I will quote insane prices just to get them to go away. Works like a charm.

What's the moral of this story? Don't be a cheap haggling asshole. If you ask me for a dance and you think it costs too much, I'm not going to be upset if you tell me you can't/won't pay for it. Strips clubs can be expensive and I understand that. I will be upset if you think me quoting you a price is where you start your negotiations with me. I'd rather sit around drinking a pineapple juice than deal with you, and so would most of the house girls.

/end story

Lapaholic
09-16-2007, 09:03 PM
^^^ Assclowns!!! U guys are killing me. But well said Ginger - I actually do kinda the same thing in my consulting business. I cant call them assclowns unfortunately.

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 09:06 PM
^^^ Assclowns!!! U guys are killing me. But well said Ginger - I actually do kinda the same thing in my consulting business. I cant call them assclowns unfortunately.

Can you call them asshats, fucktards, or any fun stuff like that? :P

Lapaholic
09-16-2007, 09:09 PM
^^^ No i just bump my rate and say thank you sir or madam... here's my bill. But from now on I will be THINKING assclown ..!!!

Katrine
09-16-2007, 09:20 PM
Of course...we are assuming he means a Benjamin or hundred dollar bill. Its just as likely he just calls his penis Ben and thats what he is waving at her.

:D :D :D Cameron wins the award for funniest post of the week!

UtahMike
09-16-2007, 09:30 PM
I shudder to think what you folk would do if he waved his penis around and asked you to make him an offer he couldn't refuse. Visions of Lorena Bobbitt run through my head.

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 09:33 PM
I shudder to think what you folk would do if he waved his penis around and asked you to make him an offer he couldn't refuse. Visions of Lorena Bobbitt run through my head.

Nah, I know I would probably just point and laugh. Then I would call all of my friends over to show them what was so funny.

Silverback
09-16-2007, 09:43 PM
Nah, I know I would probably just point and laugh. Then I would call all of my friends over to show them what was so funny.

My friend, um, George, and I are waiting for you to come to Sacramento.

How'd you like to meet Mister Washington?! :)

Bob_Loblaw
09-16-2007, 10:21 PM
At least it's not $100 in coins. Anyone who brings in bus fare is guaranteed to haggle dance prices.

gingerlee
09-16-2007, 10:31 PM
My friend, um, George, and I are waiting for you to come to Sacramento.

How'd you like to meet Mister Washington?! :)

Now Mr. Washington is a whole 'nother story. If that and a bunch of Krispy Kreme doughnuts made their way to me, I could totally reconsider my stance on this issue. 8)

yoda57us
09-17-2007, 04:23 AM
At times since I am a wheeler dealer (coin business) I will ask a dancer for discounts - say wave a Ben at her and say "make me an offer I can't refuse."


I'll never forget the words of my very first ATF as she sorted her money one night. "Men don't realize how easy it is for us to make a hundred dollars. They want me to sit all night for a drink and a dance and they act like they are doing me a favor"


I dont faint. I just grab a baby wipe and fall to my knees. I mean..come on..its a BEN! I mean..the conversation and his business card would have made my night...a BEN TOO??? I'd be BEGGING for him to sperminate me.


Of course...we are assuming he means a Benjamin or hundred dollar bill. Its just as likely he just calls his penis Ben and thats what he is waving at her.

Stop It! Stop IT! You're Killing me! :worship:




'Special' guys really do get special prices. If I know they are going to try to pull some haggling bullshit, my price is double what I charge 'regular' guys, and I don't feel bad about it....

What's the moral of this story? Don't be a cheap haggling asshole.


LOL, I do this too, as a freelancer I set my rate based on the job. If the gig is for a guy that I know is a butt-pain my rate goes up...Unfortunately I can't get away with actually DOUBLING it since I don't look like Ginger Lee but hey, you GO girl!

It often seems like the prevailing attitude among guys is that they are doing the ladies a favor by coming in. The fact is you are patronizing them at their place of business. It's no different than going out to dinner, going to see your doctor or even going to Wal Mart. The price is what it is and business is business. I get freebies once in a while from favs but it's a thank you for giving them my business-lots of it-and not being a dick-head.
If you really want to get the most for your money in a strip club I can't emphasize enough the significance of not being a dick-head


:D :D :D Cameron wins the award for funniest post of the week!

Agreed Kat, and now I finally know what all those baby wipes are for....:O

yoda57us
09-17-2007, 04:27 AM
Now Mr. Washington is a whole 'nother story. If that and a bunch of Krispy Kreme doughnuts made their way to me, I could totally reconsider my stance on this issue. 8)

Krispy Kreme just pulled out of the Boston area.....I am very saddened by this as I was using them as a major negotiating tool with my favorite dancer...>:(

bem401
09-17-2007, 06:04 AM
Well. You could stop telling us to accept it as a fact of life. We are aware of "reality", you know - living in it and all. Telling us that it is a part of life and not something we should mind, and by inference, that it is no big deal and we should just understand that we are second class citizens of the earth is not useful or helpful to us, and I can't imagine that it is for you. So I wonder what you are trying to contribute with it.

Well, Jenny, a couple of things. First, you made the jump to "second-class citizens" on your own. Not only did I not say it, I never even thought it. Second, maybe there should be a sign on the door ( next to the one somebody advocated warning guys that girls will be asking for dances ) that warns girls that some of the guys will be acting like assholes. Every job has some unpleasant aspect to it that no amount of complaining will change. I know mine does. I do everything in my power to minimize the negative things, but sometimes I just have to deal with it.

jaizaine
09-17-2007, 06:18 AM
^^
the good thing about our job is that once we know you are a cheap asshole we can walk away or if we feel like it we can make you look very small and feel very embarrassed. Once it's known in the club that you are cheap EVERY girl will know it and you will basically have a rejected stamp on your forehead.

My job is soooooooo much better than retail where I had to smile and be polite to assholes.

jaizaine
09-17-2007, 06:20 AM
I'll never forget the words of my very first ATF as she sorted her money one night. "Men don't realize how easy it is for us to make a hundred dollars. They want me to sit all night for a drink and a dance and they act like they are doing me a favor"


That sums it up so well. SO SO well.

Jenny
09-17-2007, 06:21 AM
Well, Jenny, a couple of things. First, you made the jump to "second-class citizens" on your own.
I don't think it is a jump. I think it is a reasonable inference of "you girls should naturally expect to be treated like trash, and shouldn't complain about it."


Second, maybe there should be a sign on the door ( next to the one somebody advocated warning guys that girls will be asking for dances ) that warns girls that some of the guys will be acting like assholes.
Again. Thank you for that information. We had no idea. Thank god you are here. Because we are blind and deaf and have no way of interpreting sensory stimuli.


Every job has some unpleasant aspect to it that no amount of complaining will change. I know mine does. I do everything in my power to minimize the negative things, but sometimes I just have to deal with it.
Nobody contested that there were unpleasant things about dancing. (Although I might point out again that we hardly needed your help in that discovery). What we are contesting is your attitude of "just suck it up, you're a dancer and have to expect it. Being treated like garbage is what you're paid for."

yoda57us
09-17-2007, 06:28 AM
Every job has some unpleasant aspect to it that no amount of complaining will change. I know mine does. I do everything in my power to minimize the negative things, but sometimes I just have to deal with it.

BINGO!

Accepting it and Dealing With It are two vastly different things BEM. You are asking us all to accept bad behavior simply because it should be expected in the SC environment.