View Full Version : Do my VIP's cost to much?
gameover
01-18-2008, 02:51 PM
Hmm, I'd pay 300+50, but not if I knew that some dancers charged 200+50. That makes me think you are a ROB, so I'd totally cross you off the list for any dance.
TheTempest
01-18-2008, 03:27 PM
Personally I think you'd have better luck selling a room for 250 dollars than a room for 350. Which means you will probably get more rooms.
I work at two different clubs.
Club A: Offers a cubicle for a half hour for $200, the club takes $60. No liquor is sold, no extra touching allowed. Lap dances are done for $20 a song in a room away from the club but not private by any means.
Club B: Offers a cubicle for 25 minutes for $180 club takes $80. Extra touching up to the girl but nothing below the belt. These are full nude, while the normal lap dances are done with bottoms on in the middle of the club in front of everyone. These rooms are easier to sell, obviously, because they differ from a normal dance so very much.
Frankly I think the cheaper way is good to go to get more people willing to buy rooms. But if you can sell for $350 - do it!
cinammonkisses
01-19-2008, 12:05 PM
Hmm, I'd pay 300+50, but not if I knew that some dancers charged 200+50. That makes me think you are a ROB, so I'd totally cross you off the list for any dance.
Gameover, I woudlnt' want you to think of me as a ROB. I know that I'm a good looking girl, and I offer one of the best dances in the club. Some of the top tier (ie. hotter, better saleswomen) girls do sell rooms for $350/half hour. I still regularly get my VIP's for $350. A few times I've offered rooms to customers for $250 + $50 entrance fee.
AudreyLeigh
01-19-2008, 08:44 PM
In the 30 minutes how much will you make on the floor doing dances? If its comparative to the $200 you get then keep the $300 price. If you only sell a few dances in that 30 min and make $100 then it makes sense to make double that by selling a $200 VIP.
I guess it all depends on how slow or busy the club is at that time. I wouldnt always sell them for $200 if others are doing $300 but if the club is slow then its better than nothing!
But for comparison sakes - 30 min at my club is $275 cash and $355 credit and that includes no tips for VIP host or me and I sell at least 2-3 a night. (or did when I was dancing! :) )
mr_punk
01-19-2008, 09:22 PM
Hmm, I'd pay 300+50, but not if I knew that some dancers charged 200+50. That makes me think you are a ROB, so I'd totally cross you off the list for any dance.no, she's not a ROB. she's an upseller (in comparison to the starting price point). in any case, i wouldn't blame you for crossing a stripper off your list for upselling either.
Gameover, I woudlnt' want you to think of me as a ROB. I know that I'm a good looking girl, and I offer one of the best dances in the club. Some of the top tier (ie. hotter, better saleswomen) girls do sell rooms for $350/half hour. I still regularly get my VIP's for $350.okay, but sometimes a glib, self-promotional spiel with a higher price tag is just a glib, self-promotional spiel with a higher price tag.
gameover
01-20-2008, 06:34 PM
no, she's not a ROB. she's an upseller (in comparison to the starting price point). in any case, i wouldn't blame you for crossing a stripper off your list for upselling either.
okay, but sometimes a glib, self-promotional spiel with a higher price tag is just a glib, self-promotional spiel with a higher price tag.
To me, an upseller is a subcategory of ROB. I've never, ever had a good experience when I paid more than the rack rate for a dance. Never.
mr_punk
01-21-2008, 02:56 PM
I've never, ever had a good experience when I paid more than the rack rate for a dance. Never.sure. which is why i wouldn't blame you for crossing an upseller off your list.
CarGuy
02-01-2008, 01:34 PM
The simple fact that you are asking if they cost to much means that they do. It's a pride thing, and the quicker you can ditch the prima donna pride, the more money you will make.
Other dancers....They lie to you....simple as that. If they say they are getting full price, HA! Dancers lie to customers, other dancers, ,management, their Bf's, and their family...Actually...in sales it is always like this.
I think it is absurd to to turn down a paying customer anywhere in your fee zone...$200-350...just because "your" price is $350....
In my fav club VIP's were $100 paid to the dancer per hour...plus $20 to the house. Yeah. I know...pretty cheap...it was a friggin steal.
Now they are $100 per half hour.
xdamage
02-04-2008, 08:20 AM
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I think it is absurd to to turn down a paying customer anywhere in your fee zone...$200-350...just because "your" price is $350....
Several of the dancers have made it clear (on the pink side) that they have a sense of personal value, and won't sell below a certain price, even if it netted them more money for the night.
The great thing about a free market... we customers can vote with our wallets. If a dancer is over charging herself out of a lot of business, the only real loser is herself (or not, if she is happy with what she is making). Dancers are in no short supply at this point in time, so we customers can always find another to spend on.
Snappa
02-07-2008, 12:41 PM
okay, but sometimes a glib, self-promotional spiel with a higher price tag is just a glib, self-promotional spiel with a higher price tag.
Too true. I only pay 'club-rate' for VIP, and then tip out if I think the dancer went above and beyond what is expected. It's that way in every other service industry, why not this one? Look at it like the normal rate for VIP being a 15% tip for satisfactory service at a restaurant. If the waitress is friendly, attentive, and manages to keep my iced tea glass from going empty, I'll tip 20-25%. Likewise, if I have a really good time with the dancer, I'll tip her, and probably a lot more than 20-25% of the original charge.
A dancer might be the next best thing to baked bread, but unless she's willing to give me the first one at the standard rate, I'll never find out.
cinammonkisses
02-14-2008, 03:02 PM
The simple fact that you are asking if they cost to much means that they do. It's a pride thing, and the quicker you can ditch the prima donna pride, the more money you will make.
Other dancers....They lie to you....simple as that. If they say they are getting full price, HA! Dancers lie to customers, other dancers, ,management, their Bf's, and their family...Actually...in sales it is always like this.
I think it is absurd to to turn down a paying customer anywhere in your fee zone...$200-350...just because "your" price is $350....
In my fav club VIP's were $100 paid to the dancer per hour...plus $20 to the house. Yeah. I know...pretty cheap...it was a friggin steal.
Now they are $100 per half hour.
No, the reason I asked if they were to much was to simply analyze what you guys are willing to spend. Who said I was a prima donna? I certainly didn't. If my customers are willing to spend $350 for a HALF HOUR to be alone with me, then what's the big deal..why would I want to drop my price.
You're also correct, most dancers do lie, but I have noticed that majority of the girls in my club charge less than me for VIP's and I still end out making more, and doing more VIP's than them. Cheaper doesn't always mean better, by anymeans.
I have learned, that usually the guys who want the most bang for their buck, usually will do the cheaper route. Hence, you're fav club having $100 "vips" that last an hour..:-X
cinammonkisses
02-14-2008, 03:08 PM
Several of the dancers have made it clear (on the pink side) that they have a sense of personal value, and won't sell below a certain price, even if it netted them more money for the night.
The great thing about a free market... we customers can vote with our wallets. If a dancer is over charging herself out of a lot of business, the only real loser is herself (or not, if she is happy with what she is making). Dancers are in no short supply at this point in time, so we customers can always find another to spend on.
Exactly! I agree with alot of what you've had to say XDamage, except, the part you posted about a dancer overcharging is the only one really losing. I have to disagree. If I am charging more than what said customer can afford, often times than not, he will come back to me when he can afford my prices. I've had customers tell me that right now, they just cant afford my $350 vip price. But you know what, as soon as they save up enough, they are back, anxious to experience my cinammonkiss :D
Just as people can look at supply and demand, you can also look at quality vs. quality. Sure, you can move on to another dancer, but no one has the same looks, charm, sex appeal, conversation than me. You'll just be compromising somewhere else, if you decide to "cut corners"
xdamage
02-14-2008, 05:30 PM
^^^
It sounds like you are happy with what you are making at the current price, so what is the problem? There is none. The free market works well. Also you are not under cutting other dancers so it should be no problem for those you work with. I don't see any problem with selling at the higher price as long as you are happy with it.
mr_punk
02-14-2008, 07:00 PM
Just as people can look at supply and demand, you can also look at quality vs. quality. Sure, you can move on to another dancer, but no one has the same looks, charm, sex appeal, conversation than me. You'll just be compromising somewhere else, if you decide to "cut corners".well, i'll give you credit for not exactly busting out the luxury car vs economy car analogy. however, it's still a sales pitch for an upsell which, as gameover noted, doesn't negate the possibility the quality of the goods are lacking. but hey, more power to you. if can get some
guy to bite on it.
It sounds like you are happy with what you are making at the current price, so what is the problem? There is none. The free market works well.strippers don't want to hear about free markets, x. it is as you noted earlier. their personal value is wrapped up in a price tag.
lestat1
02-14-2008, 10:58 PM
I've never noticed a lot of correlation between what I spend and the quality I get ITC. A good dancer is a good dancer. A bad dancer dancer is a bad dancer. No reasonable amount of money will turn a crappy dance experience into a great one the second time around. Reducing the money may cause the good dancer to get a bit worse, so there is some correlation there. Overall price is determined much more by hustling skills than dancing skills, quality of dancer, or quality of dance.
EDIT: To put it another way, I've paid up the ass and gotten jack shit for it, I regularly pay very high prices and get okay quality for it, and I've paid moderately to up the ass for an amazing time.
VegasPrincess
02-21-2008, 08:53 AM
Okay, honestly, here's what I do it makes it sound cheaper and better....
Okay, at OGS it was a 2 drink minimum with 50 bucks to get in.... and the 50bucks included the 2 drinks....
So, I would just say the price of a VIP is 350, alltogether, and that pays your entry and you get two drinks as well....it sounds cheaper then if you say three hundred PLUS an additional fifty, ya know? It just sounds like oh man another 50 bucks to get in!
Also, I varied my price on what I thought the guy would pay, etc, etc.
Or if somebody said 350 was a little high, I make a joke out of it and say, "are you trying to take advantage of me? Allright, you have been really nice to me all night, I suppose I could do it for 300...etc)
But I would never REFUSE a vip that was 200/half hour or 400/hour. You certainly are unlikely to make that kind of money on the floor!! But of course if I thought I could get it I would ask for 300/600
Golden_Rule
02-22-2008, 04:01 PM
First off, I'll never go to the CR blind. You better show me some nice moves at the regular priced dances before even thinking about asking me to go to the CR.
Chili,
If all you have are some moves she's made to go on than you are flying damn near blind when entering the VIP.
I am usually far more about OTC meetings than in club, but if I do a VIP and spend the kind of money spent for the privilege in the NYC or Philly areas for that, I know precisely how much time, precisely what extras are going to be available to me [if any], etc. If its not all spelled out before hand I'm not parting with a $300-$500 VIP room fee and another $200-$500 tip for the dancer.
Even if one could readily afford it, just on GP that is too much money to put down upon mere speculation. Absolutely no offense meant to anyone who feels differently, but I'd feel like a total mark if I paid that kind of money going in and didn't now exactly what I was getting for it. That's just me though.
Golden_Rule
02-22-2008, 04:06 PM
Just as people can look at supply and demand, you can also look at quality vs. quality. Sure, you can move on to another dancer, but no one has the same looks, charm, sex appeal, conversation than me. You'll just be compromising somewhere else, if you decide to "cut corners"
That comment makes it sound like you pretty much decided what the answer you wanted to hear was before you asked the question.
Just something to think about.
JoeUnCool
02-23-2008, 09:06 AM
Just wondering how much are you guys comfortable with on spending VIP/Champagne room time?
At my club, girls can set their own prices. Manager sets the starting point of at least $200 per half hour. Alot of girls, (myself included) charge $300 for 30min. This does not include the $50 entry fee the customer must pay to the vip host.
Anyway, I have been wondering how much most of you men are comfortable paying. I mean who doesn't want to spend the least amount of money for a good time?
With non-extras being on the menu, what would you make you choose between spending between $200-$300 on 30min alone with your girl?
Thanks boys,
Ck
Personally, $350/30 minutes is just plain too much. I have turned tht number down in the past. I'll spend some money. I enjoy VIPs, but thats just plain too much. I'll do $400 / hour plus the room rate. They do $225 / 30 minutes plus the room. I can live with that.
With me, I don't like extras. Its too much hassle.
Mr. Uncool
lestat1
05-26-2008, 04:36 PM
CK,
Clubs and VIPs are very different. Without describing what the rules are at your club and for your VIPs beyond "no extras," all I can say is anywhere from $0 - $260.
It turns out I'm going to have to adjust this figure upwards. TR pending. 8)
Biggieman
05-26-2008, 11:44 PM
This does not include the $50 entry fee the customer must pay to the vip host.
I'll admit, I've never done a VIP session in my brief SC-going career. Just not in the budget at this time. But a $50 entry fee? Is THAT normal? That's like a second cover charge. Forget about asking the dancer what I'll get, what am I getting from the VIP host for 50 bucks? Crikey.
doc-catfish
05-26-2008, 11:55 PM
But a $50 entry fee? Is THAT normal?
You think thats bad? I've heard $100 and up, sometimes just for an hour.
Forget about asking the dancer what I'll get, what am I getting from the VIP host for 50 bucks?
The right to enter the room. If you'd like him to leave you alone while you're in there, well umm....thats extra.
At a SC, the 'I' in VIP often means "idiotic", "imbecilic" or "irrational" but seldom "important".
dangerousdiva
05-27-2008, 02:33 AM
You think thats bad? I've heard $100 and up, sometimes just for an hour.
The right to enter the room. If you'd like him to leave you alone while you're in there, well umm....thats extra.
At a SC, the 'I' in VIP often means "idiotic", "imbecilic" or "irrational" but seldom "important".
LOL!
I want them to tip the host for me but if they don't, I'm cool too.
I prefer working clubs that have lower priced VIP with lower drink mins. I'm about volume, and staying busy. I've worked with $300/half hours plus $60 bar tab and I didn't like it. The guy expects too much because of the pricing and they're a harder sell, which means more dead time between dances. I don't want to spend 20 minutes selling you on VIP. Makes me lazy and my income more inconsistent.
I like the $200/$400 breakdown. Plus at that price guys are more likely to tip you because they don't feel as squeezed.
I'm also okay with doing multiple dances on the floor and never going to the VIP. Blasphemy, I know but the VIP can be a hassle for the dancer too, especially when there's a line.
Heres the thing, if the guy is going to get one half hour for $300, he's probably only going to get one VIP at that price. At $200 he's more likely to be seduced into extending, and a lot of times they don't enforce another drink min. Win/Win for both of us.
The guys that would be fine with the $300/$600 price, usually just tip you more on top of your normal price, so you're not really losing money by selling cheaper VIP's. At the end of the day I'd rather be moving than sitting and wasting time selling overpriced VIP's.
Also, it does depend on demographics, but even half hours at $300+ $50 fee, is steep in LV.
Biggieman
05-27-2008, 05:23 AM
The right to enter the room. If you'd like him to leave you alone while you're in there, well umm....thats extra.
Wait, isn't that what the $300 is for? I can't think of a single thing the "host" can do that justifies ANY entrance fee. If I choose to tip him, that's another matter. What job does he perform other than to keep his eye on the clock?
dangerousdiva
05-27-2008, 10:03 AM
^It depends on the club. Sometimes the club charges a fee. Other clubs the dancers are expected to tip the host a percentage of the room, so in turn the dancer tries to hustle the guy for that tip. If it's a tip though, it's not mandatory, so don't do it if you don't want to. Most girls want you to do the the VIP even if you're not tipping. If they act too greedy about tipping they probably are going to suck in the VIP anyways, imo.
doc-catfish
05-27-2008, 11:06 AM
Wait, isn't that what the $300 is for?
Nope, that goes to the dancer, (well the net of it does anyway).
Some clubs cite one lump sum which takes care of the both the dancer and the house, others cite separate figures, but in either case as DD stated, the VIP host usually expects a tip, and its not uncommon for the dancer to try to hustle the customer to pay him, or pay her a little extra to cover it.
The one time I ever bought a VIP "session" was in Las Vegas five years ago. After a few $20 dances on the floor, one gal convinced me to go for the upgrade to the 3/$100 room. What extra did I get for this expendiure that I couldn't get on the floor? Well...
- I got a room slightly darker than the one I was just in.
- I got an admittedly more comfortable couch.
- I got to pay a mandatory two drink minimum at double the floor prices for the exact same thing. That was another $26 with tip.
- I got to watch a gal who had done fairly decent dances on the floor, "head off to the ladies room" before we got started, and came back obviously on something (I suspect crystal meth), and proceded to bitch and whine through the entire three songs trying to get me to upgrade to the half-hour VIP, seemingly thinking that putting her hand down my trousers would make up for that.
- When I was done, after telling the gal multiple times that I didn't want to proceed any further, I was asked if I could give the host a $20 on the way out, I gave him a $10 and cut my losses.
So I dropped $136 for about eleven minutes of some of the worst dancing imaginable. I chalked it up as a lesson learned and have never done it since in any city I've traveled to. I'm too value minded to enjoy something like that. (And just a few weeks back I bought 23 dances in a row from the same gal, go figure).
:shrug:
The only "VIP's" I've done since are ones where you pay a nominal flat fee to the house for a wristband (usually $5-10) that is good for the night and you just pay by the song after that.
I can't think of a single thing the "host" can do that justifies ANY entrance fee.
Me neither. The best advice I can give you is if the price tag weighs more than your curiosity, don't do it. If you're thinking in those terms, you're like me, and probably are not going to enjoy the experience unless something stupendous happens in that room.
Of course, if I wanted stupendous, I'd just call an escort. Why spend that kind of money on a maybe, when a slam dunk can be had for about the same price.
Sexhobbyist
05-27-2008, 01:01 PM
I come at this question from the perspective of living in a town where the VIP admittance fee is $10 and the VIP dances are $10. So, with that perspective...
If I'm going to the VIP with a dancer, she has to show me that she's VIP-worthy with some table/lap dances first. If she's good at her craft, I'll know that I can spend real money in the VIP. (I spend at least $1,000 per week in the VIPs in this town at the local prices. Yes, I like strip clubs. Save the flaming for something important.)
Once in the VIP, I'll get however many dances I want and, depending on the dancer, I'll pay double or more for the entertainment. If I had to pay $350 for a 1/2 hour of dances, I'd be entertained for only 90 minutes a week, if that. Those rates will not keep me in the club or make me come back often. If I lived in a town where the economic requirements at the clubs demanded such a price structure, I'd find another hobby because, at that price, it's no longer a hobby, but is now a rare event.
I've been to clubs around the country with $200/$300/$500 per 1/2-hour/full hour pricing. At $200, I reserve the option of buying more. Anything above that price and I'm only buying the 1/2-hour unless there is someone spectacular giving me her full...attention.
Yes, I know I live in a community where the dancers work in the lowest economic conditions. However, even at these lowly prices, dancers can live well here and make as much as they want. I've written about it.
Yes, I know I'm spoiled. I look at it as being lucky to live here.
Getting back to the original question: Your $300+$50 is a bit much to bite on IMHO. I'm not going to pay it. Nothing personal, but I've never met the dancer yet worth that kind of money. Especially when there are so many others who will entertain me for less and be just as satisfying (I mean that in the nicest possible way. Seriously.)
threlayer
06-04-2008, 05:28 PM
$240 for 30 minutes equals about $40/song for a 5 min song. For a 4 min song thats about $26.67. Marginal, IMO.
doc-catfish
06-04-2008, 06:20 PM
$240 for 30 minutes equals about $40/song for a 5 min song. For a 4 min song thats about $26.67. Marginal, IMO.
Thing is, were talking units of time, not songs. Its still $240 for 30 minutes no matter how you slice the bread.
Its hard for me to bite on that when I have non-SC options where I can get a full hour for slightly more money, complete with more privacy than the SC can possibly offer and almost completely devoid of the annoyances of it.
Smokeless
06-04-2008, 10:06 PM
One of my nearby clubs (the older one), converted an old smoking lounge -- after Colorado's smoking ban -- into a VIP room. I was last told $100 for 15 minutes! (Or was it 10 minutes?) This is on the liquor/topless/airdance side of the club, and dances theoretically are extra. You do the math. It's better to go next door with the dancer of your choice to the juicebar/nude/lapdance side of the club and pay $40 per real lap dance. Needless to say, the place has been dark ever since they finished it. And they spent some real money outfitting it, too.
threlayer
06-06-2008, 09:46 PM
Doc,
I'm talking equivalence of time. If I were to spend 30 minbs in a VRP room, this is how I'd evaluate it. For the moment ignoring any tips for above and beyond.
Jake39
07-24-2009, 03:30 PM
I can get a cafeteria menu of extras offered to me in VIP at my fav club for $100 to $300 depending on the girl / service. My LT VIP was $750. Otherwise it would be $125 to enter VIP or CR. There is no time limit in VIP or CR and this is a very extras friendly club. Never, have I been disturbed by either Mgt or a waitress (she better not!) while enjoying VIP / CR with an entertainer. I guess in your area they have different rules for what is allowed in clubs.
The cost of your VIP's as long as they are $300 and under is reasonable from a spending point of view although a tad high for just a half hour? However, I am sure you are so hot that were I to spend that time with you alone in a VIP area I would need some kind of relief. With 5 min a song thats what around six dances? - I would be horny out of my mind. It just depends on the customers goal, but $300 is not an unreasonable amount for a guy to spend for some SC fun.
Gia2608
07-24-2009, 03:58 PM
I hope you read yoda's post, as it's very helpful. I don't know exactly where in Ohio you are and don't expect you to tell me, but if you are in more of a "blue collar" industrial area I would say $350 for an hour seems a liitle steep. Unless you are Smoking fucking hot and wasting your time at a clib in Ohio, then I'd say $350 is reasonable. LOL. I think $350 for an hour sounds fair, that;s still $300 in your pocket, right? And do they get a bottle with this?
I'd say for a half hour I would charge like $225 and here's why. If the other girls are charging between $200-$300 you are not "cheapening" your self and you are not asking for the max so you don't seem greedy. Also, if you are getting along with this guy pretty welll and tell him $225 for 30 minutes or $300 for THE WHOLE HOUR.... He'll probably see the hour as a better "value" for his dollar.
Earl_the_Pearl
07-24-2009, 04:21 PM
With non-extras being on the menu, what would make you choose between spending between $200-$300 on 30min alone with your girl?
It would be ether pay or the kitten gets it.
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LisaMintoni
09-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Guys have to buy a 100 to 150 bottle of champagne for me to sit with them for 10 15 minutes. What comes next is all mine and that is usually in private VIP.
MomoMania
11-30-2013, 11:24 PM
My clubs charges $650 for an hour champagne room! No extras. I wish it was cheaper. We only keep $300, $270 if on a cc.
My clubs charges $650 for an hour champagne room! No extras. I wish it was cheaper. We only keep $300, $270 if on a cc.
How often is it used? The local clubs here charge that. Some dancers claim they've never seen it used, but I've been back and heard another dance once so I know it's not unicorn-rare.
Chili Palmer
12-01-2013, 08:40 PM
I wish this thread never got resurrected. It's so sad seeing so many great posters (customers and dancers) who have left SW/SCJ. It's like a microcosm of the best posters no longer here.
CP
Golden_Rule
01-26-2014, 04:50 PM
I wish this thread never got resurrected. It's so sad seeing so many great posters (customers and dancers) who have left SW/SCJ. It's like a microcosm of the best posters no longer here.
CP
I'm still here for you, Chilli...
[sorry, I just couldn't resist] }:D
wishing nothing but well...
ytqclys
02-15-2014, 02:12 AM
That's on the high end of the range I've seen for 30 minutes of VIP. It would depend on who else was working and what they were asking. You could consider a strategy where you charge a higher price for the first half-hour for a particular custy each month, then a lower price for additional half-hours in the same month. You could also maybe quote a lower price if the custy came back next time and got a half-hour during a normally dead part of your shift.