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AlexxaHex
09-06-2007, 08:07 PM
There is no reason for you to be rude.

Just because I don't like children, doesn't mean I'm not knowledgable. I've done my research, discussed with doctors, I am well aware of th epros and cons of breastfeeding, as well as other issues.

I'm sorry I don't like kids. I know you are a new mother, so this is an important issue with you, but I don't see why me not liking kids makes me awful or a bad person.

Being a parent is not for me. I believe it's better that someone realizes that, rather than have a child and have them both be miserable.

It's not like I look down on women who do have kids. All the power to them; I wish I WAS different. My life would be musch simpler if, like most women, I adored kids and wanted a family of my own. But it's not to be. I'm sorry my life choice offends you.

I didn't say anything about your personality or what kind of person you are. It just seems a little contradictory for someone who HATES kids to be discussing kids. Why are you even in this thread? I don't care if you have kids or not - it's no matter to me. But saying you HATE kids is just a bit extreme and unnatural. More unnatural than breastfeeding an 8 year old.

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kandie_kitten
09-06-2007, 08:22 PM
Just because I dont like kids, I can't have an opinion on issues related to children? And I love that whenever you say something argumentitive, you then say "end of discussion", like it's okay to insult and criticize someone if you run fromt he thread immediately afterwards.

It's not like I hate kids so they should be abolished; I just don't like to raise them. That doesn't mean I don't get angry over child abuse or neglect, or have opinions about the development of kids. It just means you won't see me as a mom or babysitter any time soon.

And I'm sorry, but unnatural? How is not liking kids unnatural? How are you to judge what is natural behavior or not? You like kids. Great. that's natural for you an dyou ar ehappy in that role. I don't, that's natural for me. Instead, I dedicate my time volunteering for animal rescues and at homes for the disabled. That works for me.

britt244
09-06-2007, 08:27 PM
^ i dont get what youre saying. hating kids and hating RAISING one are two totally different things.

Dottie Rebel
09-06-2007, 08:28 PM
I didn't say anything about your personality or what kind of person you are. It just seems a little contradictory for someone who HATES kids to be discussing kids. Why are you even in this thread? I don't care if you have kids or not - it's no matter to me. But saying you HATE kids is just a bit extreme and unnatural. More unnatural than breastfeeding an 8 year old.

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She had an opinion on the matter. Just like someone who has children might have an opinion regarding a thread that was specifically by, for, and about folks who choose to live childfree, for example. I'm just sayin'.

kandie_kitten
09-06-2007, 08:32 PM
To Britt again:

I hate kids in that I don't want to be around them personally. I don't want to have kids of my own, but also being around my friend's kids makes me uncomfortable.

But that doesn't mean I want to see children obliterated or anything. I don't like kids; but I could never hurt a child. Reading about child abuse still makes me sick, hearing about parents who neglect their children still upset me.

iambonbon05
09-06-2007, 08:34 PM
I saw this a while ago and wasn't sure what to make of it.

I am a HUGE supporter of breastfeeding, there's just nothing like the real thing and it's so beneficial for both mother and child.

But 8? Hmm. I think once they can eat solids it's time to wean and that's usually how it works. If you want to drag it out a bit that's fine but school age is too much.

If nothing else, I can see this kid 9 years from now telling her friends what awful freaky parents she had and using that as an example of her weirdness. Heh.

Sunshine73
09-06-2007, 09:51 PM
^^ I agree.

If the mother and children haven't stopped breast feeding by now, when ARE they going to stop?

By the time your daughter is 9, it's time to start talking to her about periods and what not. You're going to breastfeed your kid like an infant til she's 8, then teach her about adult topics and menstrual cycles at 9? How is this going to affect her child?

I dunno. It just seems weird.

bmxryder
09-06-2007, 11:30 PM
I feel passionate on this issue, and whilist I agree, 8 is too old (although if you listen she is "nearing" 8, so she is actually 7) breastfeeding is the most natural thing in this world. I have two daughters that I nursed until each was four years old. They love me for it. Formula is nothing other than a bunch a chemicals and crap mixed with some nutritions for them. We have breast for the reasons of feeding our kids. This is the reason that mankind is still around. It is Henri Nestle, yes the chocolate guy, that was the "first" maker of formula, i.e. fake breast milk. He was a "merchant, chemist, and inventor", this began in 1867. Anyone that gives their baby this stuff is basically facilitating a 140 year old man to feed their kids. And you think our custys are bad!

Yekhefah
09-06-2007, 11:41 PM
Breasts are meant to feed babies, not children nearing puberty. I'm right there with you in that breastmilk is definitely better than formula, but no one's raising school-age children on formula. They need to be eating solid food.

Throughout human history, nearly all babies have been weaned by the end of toddlerhood. In the presence of ample nutritious solid food, there is simply no reason to breastfeed past two or three. Four is pushing it, but that's your choice; anything beyond that is sick and twisted. Like other people pointed out, even dogs know to wean their puppies when it's time. How do they know when? They just know. We have an innate instinct regarding the appropriate time frame for nursing, which is why most people are so creeped out when some people continue past this time frame.

When I was seven, I was COOKING food. I think when the kid is not only old enough to eat real food but to actually cook it, you are way past the point at which nursing is healthy.

Hatshepsut
09-06-2007, 11:47 PM
A lot of animals become lactose intolerant in adulthood because your body no longer needs the nutrients of milk, humans included. European groups tend to retain lactose production throughout their lifetime. Other than that, it's normal to be lactose intolerant. Most of my Asian friends are.

Yekhefah
09-06-2007, 11:53 PM
^^^ Good point. I notice that most lactose intolerance surfaces around the third birthday, which is about the time we would have weaned in the ancient world. My cousin (who is Chinese) could handle lactose just fine until about a month or two before her third birthday, and suddenly she just couldn't digest it anymore. We of European extraction seem to be the only ones who keep consuming lactose past age three, culturally speaking, and we seem to be the only ones who can mostly handle it. I wonder why?

xdamage
09-06-2007, 11:53 PM
...even dogs know to wean their puppies when it's time. How do they know when? They just know. We have an innate instinct regarding the appropriate time frame for nursing, ...

You know, all other arguments aside, I like this one the best. A lot of things are possible, but not all things are necessarily good or beneficial. Sweeping aside what is PC, I like the argument that breast feeding evolved because it served a purpose, feeding one's babies until they can eat/drink other foods. And I like the notion that even animals sense when enough is enough in this regard.

Let me give some other examples... my cat eats until he is full, and then stops, even if there is more food on the plate. How does he know when enough is enough? He knows because a bunch of biologically evolved mechanisms in his body tell him he has had enough. On the other end of the spectrum is the person who eats long after they are full, just for the sake of it. It's possible, but it doesn't mean it's beneficial.

Another example (a gross one). I knew a patient that would spend hours on the toilet, not because they really needed too, but because of some fetish to hang out on the toilet long after they had finished taking a piss and evacuating their bowels. Biologically, nothing prevents it, and there is no rule book that says you should stop trying to take a piss when you no longer have the urge, but that doesn't mean someone can't go on doing it even if it's well past the time that it's useful.

Paintbaby
09-06-2007, 11:57 PM
Kandikitten, you are entitled to your views. There is no rule in life that says you have to love or want children anymore than you would love or want dogs, ice cream, wev. There is nothing unique about babies, after all--the earth is crawling with them. Children are a personal lifestyle choice, and you are not bad or weird for preferring they not be around you. There are lots of other worthy places to put your energy and love. Many people feel the same way, and the childfree movement is growing. So don't feel the need to apologize for how you feel. :)

Back to the thread, breastfeeding is great---for INFANTS and TODDLERS. Seeing a pre-pubescent latch onto her mother's tit is disturbing and twisted. Can the child not bond with her mother by snuggling up to mommy and being cuddled in mommy's lap? Why does the "bonding" have to include having mommy's nipple in her mouth? I'm not convinced that this woman is not getting off on this somehow,and thus encouraging the continuation of the behaviour. I need brain bleach, after viewing that.

bmxryder
09-07-2007, 12:04 AM
I completely agree with you on the age thing, and my kids were eating mostly, if not almost all, solid food by the time nursing was done. I just get caught up on the point that formula should never be an option. It's just gross. Fake. Unnatural. Unhealthy for a new little baby. I had my kids before I started dancing, so of course I have a different view. After four years of dancing now (and breast augmentation) I can see that it would be a less attractive option. Your views on breasts get completely skewed after dancing, especially years after being in the industrustry. I am thankful that I had them before. I don't think I would have been near as good of a mother. Men wanting to touch and grope can do a number on your way of thinking.

jaizaine
09-07-2007, 01:03 AM
What shits me the most is the pressure on women these days to breast feed. It doesn't come easily or naturally to a lot of women. Several of my friends have had problems with breast feeding - one didn't produce enough milk, one produced too much milk and I have heard many women saying how painful and uncomfortable breast feeding was.
But women are guilt tripped into persisting with breast feeding because not breast feeding or not breast feeding long enough is frowned upon.


My aunt is suffering major post natal depression right now and she is not getting any better, why? Because even though her baby is now 9 months old she has been told to breast feed for as long as possible and doens't want to take anti depressants whilst breast feeeding.

I think it's fucking sick for an 8 year old to breast feed. Imagine that child's friends coming over to play and seeing that shit!

But anyway I knew this thread would turn into an argument, anything to do with pregnancy or children always does on SW.

bmxryder
09-07-2007, 01:27 AM
Wow! Australia must be sooooo much different than America....They have made shots now that dry up your breast milk hours after the baby is born. In America, there is no pressure for breast feeding....I had my second one born by a mid-wife because of pressure at the hospital for them to take my baby away...(my first one)...what do you think would have happened to your friends in the days of old? Would they have stepped up and breast-fed even through pain? Or let their babies die? You cannot think so spoiled-ish, aren't you thankful to be here? Do you think your ancestors complained? What if your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother had complained about the pain, and left your ancestor to die?

jaizaine
09-07-2007, 01:43 AM
^^
what's the point of talking about this in the context of days of old? It's 2007 and there is such a thing as forumla. Saying what would have happened if it were back then is futile and just arguing for the sake of it.

I cannot think so "spoiled-ish" seriously get off your high horse.

Hatshepsut
09-07-2007, 01:56 AM
For your information, in the days of old, if there were problems breastfeeding, they either 1) found a wet nurse to breastfeed 2) used cow's milk, or 3) made gruel out of things like rice.

Hatshepsut
09-07-2007, 03:37 AM
We of European extraction seem to be the only ones who keep consuming lactose past age three, culturally speaking, and we seem to be the only ones who can mostly handle it. I wonder why?

You've been cultivating livestock, and thus drinking lots of milk, for thousands of years. You've adapted. I, on the other hand, inherited my mom's Japanese digestive system and fart like a set of stinky bagpipes if I drink milk.

AlexxaHex
09-07-2007, 03:47 AM
^ i dont get what youre saying. hating kids and hating RAISING one are two totally different things.

Exactly.




But anyway I knew this thread would turn into an argument, anything to do with pregnancy or children always does on SW.

Word. And that is the ENTIRE reason for my "end of discussion" tag. Because I'm not going to argue about this shit anymore. I have better things to do. In the future, I'm just going to avoid threads about babies or kids because it always turns into massive flame wars and proselytizing. Fuck this small-minded holier than thou shit.

Andygirl
09-07-2007, 04:18 AM
I don't think it's that big of a deal, but I do think eight is old to be breastfeeding. However, my mom breastfed both my brothers (one of them until he was five!) and my sister so the whole concept isn't foreign to me. The La Leche League used to advocate the self-weaning thing, not sure if they do anymore, but obviously some people still abide by that philosophy.

And according to my friend, "great apes should theoretically breast feed for five years..." Lol, I don't know why, but I thought that was funny.

Meghan
09-07-2007, 06:00 AM
I think eight is weird, but in itself I think "extended" breastfeeding is good. Healthy not only nutritionally, but emotionally because of the close bond between mother and child. I'm nursing my almost 2 year old atm, and my 3 month old, I'm not sure when I'll stop with the 2 year old - definitely before he's three, but that's mainly because he has bad manners and it is irritating to nurse him, rather than because I think it's disgusting or depraved or something. My breasts have been (to me) completely dissasociated with sex, it sucks, I'm mourning them, but I'll have them back to myself again once number two is weaned.. it's a period in a woman's life where it's not time to be selfish, but to do the best for the babes. But yes, 8 is weird and I'd feel totally icky with some child (instead of a toddler) at my chest. What gets me is the lack of support for women to breastfeed. If you can, and you choose not to, you're being irresponsible, period. IMO, if you choose to have children, you should choose to do the best for them whenever possible. And no, it's not because I found breastfeeding easy, I cried for 2 mos because of the pain, had chronic extreme nupple pain for over a year due to an immune issue, and also had severe PPD first time around..... but it's not about you anymore. At least until they're a little more independent. Just my opinion! I feel the same way about pets. Don't bother getting one if you're not going to feed and exercise it the way it is supposed to be done.

britt244
09-07-2007, 06:01 AM
i think that it is weird and abnormal. i don't think she should be doing it. it is very disturbing to watch. BUT... who is anyone to tell anyone else how to raise their child? just the same as breast feeding is encouraged and it's frowned upon if you stop too quickly, etc.. or any choice you make for your child that others might find odd. to the mothers out there, isnt there anything youve done with your kids that others might find weird and totally out there? i'm sure we could come up with some things.

i DO think its creepy and gross and i agree with the point about how she's being treated like a baby and in a year or so will have to learn about adult things, and i think it's just icky. so i'm just saying. people do have to right to do what they want with their children as long as they arent abusing them. but that could be a whole diff argument.. is this abuse in a way? (not asking, please dont anyone start arguing about something NEW! just making a point!)

xdamage
09-07-2007, 06:07 AM
You've been cultivating livestock, and thus drinking lots of milk, for thousands of years. You've adapted. I, on the other hand, inherited my mom's Japanese digestive system and fart like a set of stinky bagpipes if I drink milk.


Yep, about half the humans on the planet are "lactose intolerant", except it's probably more correct to say about half are "lactose tolerant". Like Hat wrote, they have a lactose tolerance gene that evolved.

Budai
09-07-2007, 06:10 AM
I, on the other hand, inherited my mom's Japanese digestive system and fart like a set of stinky bagpipes if I drink milk.


Funny, Hat!
Bagpipes? You've kilt milk for me...

RoseWhite
09-07-2007, 06:34 AM
I completely agree with you on the age thing, and my kids were eating mostly, if not almost all, solid food by the time nursing was done. I just get caught up on the point that formula should never be an option. It's just gross. Fake. Unnatural. Unhealthy for a new little baby.

You really can't find a bigger advocate of breastfeeding than me, but be careful with your absolutes there. It should "never" be an option? Really? You sure? Interesting. I was adopted at 3 days old. My adoptive mother raised me on formula, and somehow I avoided becoming a hideous monster.

Before you jump in to point out that breastfeeding CAN be stimulated in a woman that hasn't recently given birth, she actually did try this, which I think was pretty brave of her back in the 70's with FAR less support for nursing - much less an adoptive mom nursing - than there is today, but *I* just didn't take to it. She tried REALLY hard, and even finally started to produce colostrum, but *I* got so frustrated at sucking and getting nothing that I gave up and just refused the breast.

So what was she suposed to do, exactly, since formula, in your eyes, should "never" be an option? Give up and let me starve to death? That's ridiculous of me to even say, isn't it? Yup.

Again, I am TOTALLY on the rah-rah, breast-is-best team. Just be careful. There might actually be exceptions to your arguments.

Andygirl
09-07-2007, 06:38 AM
I believe women should do what feels right to them. If a mother doesn't want to breastfeed, then so be it. People need to stop being so judgmental about it.

britt244
09-07-2007, 06:38 AM
^ that's exactly my point. people should not be made to feel bad because of their choices. if that is what they feel is best for their child, that's their choice. and i certainly dont think formula is unnatural.

Andygirl
09-07-2007, 07:25 AM
http://www.llli.org/NB/NBextended.html

I decided to look at the La Leche League website to see what they have to say about nursing past a year or two. Turns out they are still very much in favor of it, but they also are in favor of the mother weaning the baby whenever she is ready. Some of the stories on there are really touching.

http://www.llli.org/NB/NBMayJun06p100.html

Looking further into the topic, I found this page. It really has some good info. Quite a lot of women breastfeed past a year, and even two years, but it doesn't happen as often in the U.S. as it does in many other countries.

It's funny what we, as a society, characterize as "weird" or "disturbing." Of all the insane things people do in their lives, nursing a baby is about as normal and natural as you can get. For those who choose to nurse longer, it probably is a hard road, both because of the toll on your body and because of the opinions of others.

When my mom breastfed my brother for five years she really only did it intermittently for the last two, like when he was going to sleep or something. I don't think she ever did it out in public. But even if she did, it was their business and no one else's.

mollyzmoon
09-07-2007, 07:49 AM
I remember my mom had my brother during the Gulf War, and being a servicegal she had to basically have the baby and then go back to work the next day. She'd get home and pump out her milk, but became too exhausted so she gave up on it.

My aunt on the otherhand breastfed her youngest son until he was just about five. We were all a little put off by it, but the kid is fine now. I don't know about eight. Social sanctions are going to rise against that...I feel bad for a child having to suffer those because of something her mother chose for her. I mean, everyone gets very sensitive to what peers think around age 10-11, sociologically speaking. It might make her a little self-conscious, you know?

I do have to say that I disagree with those who argue that humans should instinctively do something because animals do it. Animals do a lot of things many human cultures would consider gauche. I mean, since when do we say "dogs do it, so it's obviously natural". I know it's not meant as a general maxim, but there should be a better reason to avoid a behaviour than to say it's "unnatural". Infanticide is a natural tendency among some mammals.

kandie_kitten
09-07-2007, 08:45 AM
You really can't find a bigger advocate of breastfeeding than me, but be careful with your absolutes there. It should "never" be an option? Really? You sure? Interesting.

So what was she suposed to do, exactly, since formula, in your eyes, should "never" be an option? Give up and let me starve to death? That's ridiculous of me to even say, isn't it? Yup.

Again, I am TOTALLY on the rah-rah, breast-is-best team. Just be careful. There might actually be exceptions to your arguments.

Thank you RoseWhite.

I know and agree that breastfeeding has many benefits far better than formula for mother and child. However, there are occasionally situations where that is just not possible.

For instance, what about someone who has had cancer, and is taking medication to prevent a reoccurence? My grandmother had breast cancer, and has taken tamoxifen every day since to prevent its return; should she have breastfed anyway, and taken the chance of bad affects of the medicine on her child? How about someone who has HIV/AIDS?

My examples are extreme, but only to point out that you cannot say that breastmilk is the only option, and that formula should never be given.

Hatshepsut
09-07-2007, 10:29 AM
God, I hate tit nazis like bmxryder who think that they're holier than thou because they breastfed, even through the PAIN. Some women have to work. Some women get repeated infections from plugged ducts. Alexxa was one of them (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95660). She wanted to badly to breastfeed, but both mother and child were miserable (mom was in pain and had repeated infections, kid was choking and plugging her ducts as compensation for the heavy flow). You've seriously put your foot in your mouth. What is important is that the kid grows up happy and healthy with parents that can take care of it. I'm sorry that you classify your stupid pride and "suffering is noble" bullshit over what's best for everyone. Yeah, I advocate breastfeeding too, but ultimately, it's a choice. You made yours, and you are not a special precious holier-than thou goddess because you've let kids latch on your tits.

Hatshepsut
09-07-2007, 10:39 AM
Oh yeah, if bottle feeding is so evil and should never be an option, how come you see situations like this?

Alexxa went from this

I never thought I'd say that but yeah, it's annoying, painful, time consuming impractical and inconvenient. Since Kembra's birth, I've had 4 plugged ducts which give me a fever each time for a whole day, nipple soreness and something called "overactive letdown" which causes me to spray milk everywhere and makes the baby choke because too much milk is going into her little mouth at once. My letdowns are painful (like someone is stabbing me in the chest, especially if I'm really engorged) because of the overactive letdowns. I cry at least once a day from the pain and frustration of it all. I feel even worse when I am feverish and exhausted from the plugged duct and having to take care of the baby while the stupid Le Leche League websites and lactation experts are like "hang in there!", "it gets better" or "you're a horrible awful bitch of a stupid cunt mother because you even think about giving formula!"...okay not so much the last one but it feels like the milk nazis are breathing down my neck every time I read an article about the moms who are happily nursing their 2 year olds and shit. They just wouldn't understand about strippers needing to go back to work at 5 - 6 weeks and not wanting to lactate on their big spending VIP customers or have to call a stage clean-up all the time.

I'm seriously thinking of switching to formula, at least primarily and then pump or breastfeed once or twice a day. Jess is tired of hearing me sob into my pillow several times a day and is becoming less and less encouraging about the nursing. He's starting to think that my sanity and our ability to pay bills might be more important.


To this:

wow I am like a new person not having to nurse. I talk to her more, love looking into her eyes while I feed her and this is the first day in weeks that I haven't cried. Jess was really happy he got to feed her earlier too! This is so much better.


Oh yeah, bmxbyker, in her first quote, she mentioned tit nazis breathing down her neck. Hmmmm?

BalletBaby
09-07-2007, 12:27 PM
God, I hate tit nazis like bmxryder who think that they're holier than thou because they breastfed, even through the PAIN. Some women have to work. Some women get repeated infections from plugged ducts. Alexxa was one of them (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95660). She wanted to badly to breastfeed, but both mother and child were miserable (mom was in pain and had repeated infections, kid was choking and plugging her ducts as compensation for the heavy flow). You've seriously put your foot in your mouth. What is important is that the kid grows up happy and healthy with parents that can take care of it. I'm sorry that you classify your stupid pride and "suffering is noble" bullshit over what's best for everyone. Yeah, I advocate breastfeeding too, but ultimately, it's a choice. You made yours, and you are not a special precious holier-than thou goddess because you've let kids latch on your tits.

:highfive:

I knew someone would come out and say it. I don't have any kids, but if I do godforbid that I have complications breastfeeding and have to use formula. Because ya know formula is the devil::)

Alia_of_the_Knife
09-07-2007, 12:33 PM
Why do breastfeeding/formula discussions almost always end up so flamey?

Bottlefeeding your child doesn't guarantee the kid will be a genius, star athlete, or psychopathic serial killer and neither does bottle feeding. I was breastfed past the age of 2 and I am OK (I am a 4.0 college student with stocks and mutual funds from stripping) and my boyfriend was bottlefed since birth and is OK (he owns his own business and graduated top of his class).

And my boyfriend's ex-wife (she is a bit of a nutter) breastfed their daughter until she was 7 years old and guess what? She's OK too. (The girl is a straight A student and very athletic and well socialized).

There are a lot more serious and worse things that happen to children than if they are/are not breastfed and for how long (such as beating, sexual abuse, neglect, etc)

To each his or her own.

Alia_of_the_Knife
09-07-2007, 12:48 PM
I would also like to add that people say a lot of the same things about stripping as they do about breastfeeding.

Some claim that the majority of strippers just can't hold down a "regular job" and all will have mental and drug problems. People say strippers must all have low IQs. People also describe stripping as disgusting. Just like people say that kids who are not breastfed at all will have low IQs and kids that are extendly breastfed will have social problems and that it's gross.

I don't care if you don't breastfeed your child at all or if you breastfed the kid until they are 10. Or if you co-sleep, or homeschool, or use organic baby diapers, or even use corperal punishment. Just as long as you love your kid, don't smack your kid around, don't molest your kid, and provide your kid with a strong, safe, and supportive and nurturing environment.

Next topic please?

Mastridonicus
09-07-2007, 01:35 PM
All I know, is if I am to ever have a child, I would want to raise the child in a nourishing and loving environment that enables the child to grow. I want myself, and my partner to foster and aid in that as best as I can, without the scrutiny of the outside world. It's just none of your business.

BalletBaby
09-07-2007, 02:07 PM
Why do breastfeeding/formula discussions almost always end up so flamey?



Because everyone has different opinions and some people think that their opinion is the only correct option.

britt244
09-07-2007, 02:13 PM
Why do breastfeeding/formula discussions almost always end up so flamey?


you mean why does EVERY discussion end up flamey ;)

jaizaine
09-07-2007, 02:37 PM
^^
true but I think ones about women's choices seem to get so flamey.
women should support each other more instead of judge what eachother do so harshly.
My mum only breast fed me for about 2 weeks because she was in a lot of pain trying to do it. It's awfully harsh for people to judge such a decision.

Of course there are many benefits for both mother and child for breast feeding that's why our breasts are so designed but people should not be so judgmental.

My opinion (and I think some others) regarding the 8 yo breast feeding is not because of the benefits to mother and daughter of breast feeding but more the social aspect of it. I don't think we should all do things just because society deems it acceptable but certain behaviours will cause problems and an 8 yo is not old enough to choose whether they want to do something that is considered socially unacceptable.

Starfire
09-07-2007, 03:16 PM
I didn't read this whole thread, but here's a thought- why doesn't the mom pump and let the kids drink the milk instead of them drinking directly from the breast? that would keep the nutrition benefits and cut down on the social stigma.

Circe
09-07-2007, 03:19 PM
I've heard of a mom breastfeeding a boy of 12. That is crossing into puberty territory and is rather...disturbing to me, particularly since breasts are sexualized in our society and puberty is the time of the awakening hormones and with the beginnings of strange ideas of your mother and...yeah. Ew.

I think she was charged with some kind of sexual abuse or child abuse or somesuch, actually. But yeah, for those of you squicked out by the 8 year old...it gets worse.

Vyanka
09-07-2007, 03:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sownf7vd-D4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enightclubcity%2Ecom%2Fforu m%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D142373 ;D

BalletBaby
09-07-2007, 04:31 PM
:rotfl:I love Scrubs. I really do.

High_Heel_Lover
09-07-2007, 05:49 PM
I breastfed both my children, breastmilk has nothing to do with developmental anything, it has more to do with nutrition, antibodies and so on. If a mother wants to nurse great if not too bad. If anyone needs help I am a lactivist till the end and I support any woman who wants to nurse her child. Nursing isn't an all or nothing thing and peopel should mind their own bussiness. I ended a friendship due to this shit. I was asked to not nurse my child at a party, to go to another hidden place and I said "Oh then we won't go" the girl went ape shit "this is my house" and so on I told her "I know it's your house so drink, eat have fun! I will not subject my child to thinking he is doing anything wrong, immoral, illegal or disgusting just because you can't handle nature"

It has been proven that breastmilk is better than formula, even formula companies say so but if anyone wants to say they don't want to then so be it. I don't and I can't say what is right for a family because they aren't my family. Just as people judge and have this disgust for strippers for their career with out knowing their ass from their elbows I say no one can judge what is right or wrong with how they raise their family unless it can be proven to cause some type of phycological and or physical harm.

Sunshine73
09-07-2007, 09:01 PM
I didn't read this whole thread, but here's a thought- why doesn't the mom pump and let the kids drink the milk instead of them drinking directly from the breast? that would keep the nutrition benefits and cut down on the social stigma.

I was thinking the same exact thing.

Yekhefah
09-07-2007, 09:05 PM
^^^ Because she's not doing it for the nutritional benefits, which are negligible at that point. She's doing it for the experience of breastfeeding. On some level, whether sexual or emotional or what, she gets off on her kids sucking her tits.

Sunshine73
09-07-2007, 09:26 PM
^^Well I knew that! :P But I was wondering how SHE'D answer this question.

Yekhefah
09-07-2007, 09:27 PM
She'd say it was about "bonding."

Maybe that's why my mom and I don't get along. It's because she weaned me too soon. If I was still breastfeeding at 28, maybe we'd be closer.

kitana
09-08-2007, 05:15 AM
It is illegal in the USA to breast feed after 2 years of age. Child protective services could be call after the child is two.

I think this woman needs to stop this! This is not good for the children. I guess they will be living with her until they are 30. Because they feel they are not ready to move out!

That is not right!

Where did you hear that crap at?!

Show me proof that it is against the law to BF after age 2.