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Optimist
09-12-2007, 08:35 PM
CGIQ tells the OP to go away and leave her alone.
OP feels that CGIQ has mental issues because she prefers her own company over his.
I'm not sure what the title has to do with the story. A more aptly titled thread would have been:
"Why don't women feel graced by my presence?"
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BINGO
ArmySGT.
09-12-2007, 09:14 PM
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/ArmySGT_photos/Webstuff/Waitgun.jpg
All Good Things
09-12-2007, 10:21 PM
"We naturally as humans want to fuck three, four, six times a week and I as a female want it just as much as a male would," which is what biology would say. We hear that rather seldom here in North America.
Well, I live in North America and don't presume to speak on behalf of the entire continent.
However, my best advice to you would be to upgrade yourself rather than attempt to upgrade your class of women. Remember, you don't do the choosing, anyway -- they do. So you need to climb several rungs on the ladder if you want to be chosen by the beautiful women you seek. This is basic biology, too.
Once that's happened, a whole new world awaits you, young Jedi. You simply have no idea how many physically stunning, sexually overwhelming, intensely psychosexual, deeply insatiable, hopelessly erotic women there are out there who will gobble you up as a quick snack, all the while demanding from you the same level of phenomenal intensity, unbridled eroticism and complete physical mastery. There are many women like that on this site. Really. Read the site for a few months.
I've been incredibly lucky to have been chosen by one of them, a very special miracle of irresistible physical beauty, an intellectual brilliance of the quirkiest and most endearing kind, and the sexual drive of a charging, insatiable lioness on the wildest cocktail of steroids imaginable. :)
ArmySGT.
09-12-2007, 10:24 PM
I've been incredibly lucky to have been chosen by one of them, a very special miracle of irresistible physical beauty, an intellectual brilliance of the quirkiest and most endearing kind, and the sexual drive of a charging, insatiable lioness on the wildest cocktail of steroids imaginable. :)
Thats because you have mastered tickling their brains to orgasm first. bastid.}:D
Djoser
09-13-2007, 02:13 AM
I think it's (a) obesity and arrogance on the part of the typical female of the developed west...
The women they're with have let themselves go to seed FAST -- 22 years old but 60 pounds overweight, for example -- and yet have SUCH an attitude about sex. "If he's getting ANY at all, he should THANK me and do chores in exchange for it!"
Have you looked around at the guys in your area? They eat at McDonalds too, and it shows. For every overweight woman with an attitude, there's some fat schmuck who lets her get away with that shit. And it doesn't help that these guys still carry that macho instinct to score as much as they can to prove their manhood.
This makes them desperate, and extremely tiresome. Nothing is more boring or pathetic than guys trying to prove what studs they are.
Also, as far as the attitude some women have about sex--it's a two way street. Act like a dog, constantly slavering and drooling over women, and you'll get treated like a dog.
America does have a worse problem than some other areas of the world, I suspect--though I'd rather live here than Iraq, as far as interacting with women, lol. I blame that on the insidious and pervasive influence of television, which has a tendency to psychically emasculate men in general, and the Puritan heritage as well.
jaizaine
09-13-2007, 03:57 AM
Nothing is more boring or pathetic than guys trying to prove what studs they are.
Absofuckinglutely
I think I'm developing a SW crush on Djoser. :blush:
jaizaine
09-13-2007, 04:14 AM
SW crushes are cool tho ;)
KiwiDan
09-13-2007, 04:20 AM
Isn't there other places to have deep and meaningful discussions on male-female relationships and interactions?
Back to the (playboy) bunnies. Kendra rocks.
pookie
09-13-2007, 04:48 AM
I think I'm developing a SW crush on Djoser. :blush:
Īts coz he is pole dancing in hi Avatar! :)
Do you get hot from looking at it? ;)
book guy
09-13-2007, 11:08 AM
Well, I live in North America and don't presume to speak on behalf of the entire continent.
However, my best advice to you would be to upgrade yourself rather than attempt to upgrade your class of women. Remember, you don't do the choosing, anyway -- they do. So you need to climb several rungs on the ladder if you want to be chosen by the beautiful women you seek. This is basic biology, too.
Once that's happened, a whole new world awaits you, young Jedi. You simply have no idea how many physically stunning, sexually overwhelming, intensely psychosexual, deeply insatiable, hopelessly erotic women there are out there who will gobble you up as a quick snack, all the while demanding from you the same level of phenomenal intensity, unbridled eroticism and complete physical mastery. There are many women like that on this site. Really. Read the site for a few months.
I've been incredibly lucky to have been chosen by one of them, a very special miracle of irresistible physical beauty, an intellectual brilliance of the quirkiest and most endearing kind, and the sexual drive of a charging, insatiable lioness on the wildest cocktail of steroids imaginable. :)
Quaint. Gaining brownie points? Hoping to find another here at this site? :P
By the way, they don't do the choosing. WE BOTH DO. I won't emasculate myself so radically as to be desperate for the approval of others.
But otherwise I do agree with your points here. And with DJoser. I feel I'm on the same page as both of y'all. 8) The idea of "emasculation by TV," and the idea about all the obese loser guys out there, are both well taken. I guess I seldom think about the obese loser guys, since I'm ... ahem ... not trying to date them, or fend them off.
But one thing I'll never be able to accomplish, which pretty much puts me out of the bargain for the fantasy relationship you suggest is the direction I should move, Other Owner, is height. I think that I've got almost everything else, and I am of course always improving. But I've never gotten to first base with the remarkable women I know largely because of two factors:
1. Not tall enough.
2. Not abusive enough.
Oh well, I guess there's always another life to wait for. :-\ This thread isn't about me anyway, and in general I'd definitely agree with your program for improvement. And it's even the best way to live one's life whether or not approval from hot women comes as part of the bargain.
All Good Things
09-13-2007, 04:03 PM
Quaint. Gaining brownie points? Hoping to find another here at this site? :P
Well, the last thing I truly need right now is more brownie points. I've got 1,000 piled up in my PM box and can barely keep it cleaned up as it is! People I've not responded to -- I am so sorry, but I will soon!
I'm also a lot more concerned about more important things like keeping the site up and running efficiently.
By the way, they don't do the choosing. WE BOTH DO. I won't emasculate myself so radically as to be desperate for the approval of others.
It's not emasculation at all to recognize what is a biological imperative. In our species, the men make themselves available to pretty much all attractive women -- something I believe you observed before -- while the women, who are much more choosy, effectively make the connection.
There are, of course, nightmare scenarios where you must have a wingman with you, particularly at parties or some clubs. That's because it only takes two drinks for the women you most definitely do not want to be anywhere near you to suddenly decide that they are going to charge right over and tackle you. These are the times that you do not want to be chosen. :)
Paris
09-13-2007, 04:34 PM
1. Not tall enough.
I know a lot of very hot, short women. If she is only five foot tall, a man that is 5'5" is still 5 inches taller than her.
And what is with the obsession with getting a super model into bed? Isn't it more important to have a deeply intimate and loving relationship that is strong enough to last a lifetime?
terra
09-13-2007, 04:53 PM
Being impatient with annoying drunk males is not exclusive to strippers or to females. You sound like someone who is angry and bitter at being rejected so you start saying that you slept with the girl, she has psychological issues and you're just a "nice guy trying to help".
Then again she might be an aggressive drug addict who got hurt/abused by males in the past and if only she would read your post, she would "see the light" and be more receptive to drunks.
gingerlee
09-13-2007, 04:58 PM
And what is with the obsession with getting a super model into bed? Isn't it more important to have a deeply intimate and loving relationship that is strong enough to last a lifetime?
Screw intimate relationships built on something more than looks and sex! All I need is somebody that's hot that will screw my brains out all the time. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? ::)
book guy
09-13-2007, 09:26 PM
I know a lot of very hot, short women. If she is only five foot tall, a man that is 5'5" is still 5 inches taller than her.
And what is with the obsession with getting a super model into bed? Isn't it more important to have a deeply intimate and loving relationship that is strong enough to last a lifetime?
True enough on the height thing. Except that all the 5' tall women I know lust after the 6' tall men equally as much as the 5'8" tall women do. The women's shortness does not make them prefer shorter men; merely, it makes them potentially shorter than a larger number of men, but not necessarily any more interested in them.
With the "super model" thing? I don't think I, or most men, are obsessed with super models. We just (well, speaking for myself) need someone who is HOT ENOUGH. For me, that is just an "automatic" thing -- I can't make it go away even if I wanted to. I can't define it, can't tell you what "level" on some idiotic scale of 1 to 10 it has to be, but I have to have the hots for her sufficiently. If I don't, then it really doesn't matter how deeply intimate and loving the relationship is, I simply cannot reciprocate her interest. It's just natural, the way things are. All humans are like that.
I've actually TRIED to date girls whom I thought of as being able to have a "meaningful" relationship with me despite my lack of physical attraction for them. Doesn't work. It was patronizing to them -- they could have had a guy who really treasured them, rather than (as I was) trying all the time to figure out how to treasure them -- and it was not enjoyable for either of us, because neither was getting what we wanted. I really thought about it from the "beggars can't be choosers" and "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" points of view, but there was just no way to "transfer" my sense of a deep, interpersonal connection, into a sense of desire to have a relationship. Doesn't work that way for ANY male I know, and probably not for most females either. Maybe for blind people?
Sometimes I wish it would work that way. Then I could "think with the big head." Life would be so much easier. But attraction is a subtle, many-faceted thing, and a large portion of it for all normal adult human heterosexual males is based on visual stimuli. It's almost redundant to even have to talk about it. It's not an "obsession with getting a super model into bed." It's just a base biological need that won't change, a need for having a large portion of the attraction based on sexual desirability and looks.
book guy
09-13-2007, 09:35 PM
It's not emasculation at all to recognize what is a biological imperative. In our species, the men make themselves available to pretty much all attractive women -- something I believe you observed before -- while the women, who are much more choosy, effectively make the connection.
I respectfully disagree. I think men send signals (sometimes unbeknownst to them as much as to anyone else) and initiate communication, and cut themselves out or in to a deal, as much as women. It's a nice theory, this idea that a man can make himself available and attractive and then wait for the desirable women to pick him. That would work for a tall, sexy, fit, rich man, and I guess maybe that's why the theory got started. It hasn't ever worked for me, this sitting-around-waiting strategy. I don't recommend it.
Other strategies aren't much more effective for me, either, but they're certainly better than JUST HOPING.
So, maybe it isn't true that men do as much choosing as women. Nevertheless, I opt for believing that it is, in order to give myself a sense of confidence, a bearing that allows me to approach the world from a sense of plenty rather than a sense of needy desperate scarcity, and an optimistic view that things will work out for the better. It may be utterly deluded and false optimism, but it beats the hell out of admitting what only MIGHT be the truth and accepting soul-destroying cynicism for the rest of my days on this earth. I therefore let myself be pie-in-the-sky: I choose to believe that women and men do an equal amount of choosing, at least in my life we do.
I'd be interested to hear how you can frame it such that it isn't utterly "outward directed" or seeking the approval of others, to work it your way instead. Maybe you're just stunningly desirable to women. I'm certainly not. I'm one of those overly analytical fast-talking super-nerd types whom everyone agrees thinks really well. Then they all agree to go fuck someone else other than me. There's no changing this, and I really do like who I am and wouldn't want to change it, but it does mean that the old "let them choose me" phenomenon has a highly unlikely level of success. Don't you feel like you're just ... waiting? Sitting pretty and thinking of the planet as this set of mute, unalterable circumstances, nothing better than mere luck? And then when you DO get the approval of another person and it makes you happy, don't you feel rather empty because your OWN actions don't have much to do with your wellbeing?
Maybe I don't understand your strategy or your world view. But to me, right now it's looking "outer directed" rather than "inner directed," if you're familiar with the terms.
Jenny
09-13-2007, 10:25 PM
Agreed. Why DO we men feel like that? Partly, for me, in my own history, it's been because I was led on to believing it. Deliberately by younger women. Who deliberately wanted me to believe it because it gave them an ego-rush to think they could control me. And it was done by means of their sexual wiles. They acted luvvy-duvvy (cuddling, cooing, showing body parts, rubbing up against me) IN ORDER that I feel like she's interested, IN ORDER that I therefore expect her to like me and IN ORDER that I go out of my way to continue to please her. This happened to me regularly until I figured out that the classic "leading on the nice but doormat guy" syndrome was the story of my life.
Dude. You're imagining things. You are past the "I'm going to act like I don't have an agenda but secretly seethe whenever any other guy is preferred to me and be angry whenever a woman actually believes I want to be friends her passive-aggressive nice guy" stage but you're just ran on into the "I realized that pretending not to have an agenda didn't work so now I'm going to use the years I spent being a complete passive aggressive twat as a reason to look down on women, and I've just realized that the reason I can't get a girl is because I'm too good for them" stage.
Yes, my friend, these stages are not unfamiliar to us; and you're not the first guy to decide that because he wasn't hot enough to get a woman who was "hot enough" for him that women are shallow and manipulative and/or masochistic but he is just totally normal. If you are over 24 I'm going to suggest it is too late for you. You have been completely (de)socialized. Just buy a doll. It will be hot enough and never manipulate you. And it will never get fat. Like seriously -if you are too unattractive to attract attractive women you need to either become more attractive - either mentally or physically (both if you're feeling ambitious) or lower your standards (you know - the way you think unattractive women should).
BTW - TOO is talking about biology and evolution common to mammals (I think - and Hi Nicolina - I was paying attention!) - competitive males and choosy females. Go on ahead and fight it if you want, but you are in for the ass kicking of your life.
PaigeDWinter
09-13-2007, 10:46 PM
WTF. This thread has gone from 'huh?' to silly... and it needs to die.