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dangerousdiva
06-23-2008, 11:31 PM
The charity dance is something we have been doing for a while, we have seen it done at numerous clubs throughout Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois. All of the money collected from the charity dance is used for just that. We are not keeping a cent of it and can provide receipts showing proof.

Your charity bullshit is just a way for the club to make nice with the community at the expense of the dancers dignity.

Grease palms out of your own pocket!

I was subjected to bullshit politics like this early in my dancer career and vowed ever since never to degrade myself again by working for a club that entertained that lame propaganda.

Seriously, most of your dancers are independent contractors with no ties to the community (since they travel in) and you want them to work for FREE, so your club will look better? Who benefits form the tax write off from the donation? I question your business sense if this is how you ingratiate yourself with a community that I guess already mistrusts you. There are smarter and more beneficial ways of doing this without exploiting the dancers.

Most of the dancers from this board (I hope) are smarter than to fall for that BS.

Yekhefah
06-24-2008, 08:53 AM
^^^ Well said!

Susan-Va
06-24-2008, 07:06 PM
The only time I have ever done a "charity" dance was when girls didn't sell 2-4-1's and had to go onstage but the charity was always for someone at the club (a dancer who was or had a loved one sick, death in the family, etc), not an outside charity. If it wasn't for that we got to keep any $$.

Too many dancers (and respected members) on this board have had negative comments about your club. I've worked in ND several times but after the reviews I have no desire to go to Minot.

Thanks but if I go back I'll be in Fargo.

velvet
06-24-2008, 09:48 PM
Hello SW it has been a long while since I posted but my visit to Club Envy has ended my hiatus.

The last time I worked at Club Envy was May 12 thru the 24th. I will not be rebooking. Here are a few points to consider before visiting this club:

At the time of my booking all available dancers were called to the stage every night to perform a set for "charity". The club owners kept all the tips from these charity sets. Also, birthday dances and bachelor/bachelorette dances were free and went on throughout the night. All available dancers were required to perform these free dances. Some times the crowd tipped but not often and not well.

There were 17 dancers at one point during my booking. Several of them were black and yes they "dated" and yes the audience was thick with older white men looking for dancers who dated. There was even a pimp! As far as I can tell this is a common practice. (BTW "date" is a euphemism for intercourse)

Pay was 150 a week and they kept a cut of the lap dances despite the contract stating otherwise. They justified this by raising the prices on dances. Also, the DJ usually will not play your music, the stage is unsealed stone tile, and the poles do not connect to the ceiling. They bend and wiggle.

Oh and then there's this:


Part owner Steve Edwards (http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/513708.html?nav=5010) also owned a car dealership in town and "has been charged with 17 felonies and 17 misdemeanors for charging customers for state taxes and license fees as part of the vehicles’ purchase price, then not handing over registration, and not sending the taxes and license fees to the state." read more...
(http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/content.detail/id/513708.html?nav=5010)

The decor and lap dance area are nice though!


whoa it has been a long time! welcome back.

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06-25-2008, 08:34 PM
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vanilla_dog
06-28-2008, 12:03 AM
Thank you Velvet, Susan and others.

What I don't understand is why management blatantly allows these obvious hookers (they don't hide it) to work in their club if they are serious about making money. Does the pimp kick down a cut? Or does the club just pay the rent while they use the club as their own personal street corner?

Some of these ladies didn't even dance when I was there. They just came in off the street and hustled the crowd. They pressured customers away from lap dances and lured them out of the club. Honestly, l was astonished.

Some of the dancer/hookers bullied the guys and abused them verbally. It was very BAD. They cussed em out and called them names if they didn't buy dances.I have never seen this before in all the clubs I have ever worked in. Ever.

Then there was the pimp who was treated to free drinks while he swaggered around staring everybody down.

Insane....

Does this happen often in clubs out East? North Dakota is as far East as I have ever danced.

Corgan
06-28-2008, 07:51 AM
they supported the pimp's behavior???? that's sealing the deal for me right there.

Lena
06-28-2008, 10:26 PM
I feel bad that they're getting bashed so much. I danced there back in (january? february? something like that), and yeah, it's not some super polished well run money making machine. The stage hurts you, you have to do free birthday sets, the staff is unprofessional, etc.. But it's not that awful, either. For what and where it is, it's set up very nicely.

If you're doing midwest bookings, check it out. If you're looking for a destination to fly to for a week and make the big bucks, this isn't it.

Lena
06-28-2008, 10:30 PM
Thank you Velvet, Susan and others.

What I don't understand is why management blatantly allows these obvious hookers (they don't hide it) to work in their club if they are serious about making money. Does the pimp kick down a cut? Or does the club just pay the rent while they use the club as their own personal street corner?

Some of these ladies didn't even dance when I was there. They just came in off the street and hustled the crowd. They pressured customers away from lap dances and lured them out of the club. Honestly, l was astonished.

Some of the dancer/hookers bullied the guys and abused them verbally. It was very BAD. They cussed em out and called them names if they didn't buy dances.I have never seen this before in all the clubs I have ever worked in. Ever.

Then there was the pimp who was treated to free drinks while he swaggered around staring everybody down.

Insane....

Does this happen often in clubs out East? North Dakota is as far East as I have ever danced.

Woah. I didn't see anything like that when I was there.

Dottie Rebel
06-29-2008, 04:41 PM
Your charity bullshit is just a way for the club to make nice with the community at the expense of the dancers dignity.

Grease palms out of your own pocket!

I was subjected to bullshit politics like this early in my dancer career and vowed ever since never to degrade myself again by working for a club that entertained that lame propaganda.

Seriously, most of your dancers are independent contractors with no ties to the community (since they travel in) and you want them to work for FREE, so your club will look better? Who benefits form the tax write off from the donation? I question your business sense if this is how you ingratiate yourself with a community that I guess already mistrusts you. There are smarter and more beneficial ways of doing this without exploiting the dancers.

Most of the dancers from this board (I hope) are smarter than to fall for that BS.

Steve, I'd love a response to this.

bustybabe312
07-02-2008, 12:11 AM
Hmmmm...very interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, doesn't MadMaxine live and work at Envy?? According to her, the club is decent. I wonder why she hasn't commented on the last two pages but then again, I suppose she shouldn't huh?

As far as Edwards business charges, he's not the first club owner ever to face felonious charges and won't be the last. Vegas clubs are crooked all day long as well as NY, FL and TX clubs. So it is what it is. So Edwards, you don't have to explain shit to anybody about your dealership. The club doesn't sell automobiles.

The anonymous poster's experience wasn't good? I believe her. Yet, I'm sure her experiences don't measure up to any of my experiences with dealing with racist club owners and customers, but that's been discussed already. And we all know that won't ever change so again, it is what it is. lol

Now...the charity dance. .. .. DAMN. What if the night wasn't a good money night? Those tips could have been applied on the travel expenses.

The prostitutes... there are pros everywhere, in every city, in every club. Even many girls who claim not to date, date. Some do after the club, others do it before the club. That's for the dancer/dater, whatever a grown ass woman chooses to do with her body is her business. A trick is going to spend his money as he wishes.

Now, the broads that come in and take customers out the club to date...shouldn't be allowed in the club.

Amount of girls: allowing drop-ins after five or so girls is bananas. The club is in a small ass town too??? Oh hell nawl!

That free b-day dance thingy, wtf? A girl can't stay at the hotel or travel up there for free, so what's the biz about the dancing for free? Other clubs that give b-day dances collect money from whomever in order to pay the girls something for their efforts.

I think I touched on all the points I've read. I LOVE THIS SITE!!!

Corgan
07-03-2008, 11:25 PM
i thought mad maxine worked at a place called the northern??

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07-05-2008, 03:47 PM
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Lena
07-07-2008, 07:17 AM
The Northern is a booking place, you just work there for a week at a time. I'm pretty sure MM is at Envy.

bustybabe312
07-07-2008, 07:45 PM
Yep, she's at Envy. She mentioned in a thread that she was doing so well there that she moved to ND.

vanilla_dog
07-09-2008, 11:49 AM
There is money in Minot. Lots of it. The Bakken (www.energyandcapital.com/articles/bakken-oil-formation/578) formation is a gold mine and the biggest oil event to hit the USA in ages.

Mad Maxine has that right.

The problem with miss MM is that she isn't going to rock the boat. Hers is a "make money not friends" policy and she prefers to ignore the dancers and befriend management. Makes sense but I wouldn't rely on just her opinion.

As for fraudulent behavior...a man who rips off an auto customer is just as likely to rip off a dancer, his co-workers, his business partners etc. In my experience unethical people do not limit their harmful behavior to just one realm.

ENVY MINOT
07-15-2008, 04:28 PM
Oh i love this....because I went out of business means that I rip off people. My car dealership closed while I was in the middle of going through a divorce. I didn't rip off anybody. Most of the employees at ENVY have worked for me for years. We are a family and have little to no turnover so say what you want about what you think my "unethical" business practices are. Im gonna try to address all these issues that every one has.

The house dance. We did not start doing it to fuck any girls out of there tips or for girls to blow us up as we are trying to take money out of there hands. It was created solely to be used as I have already said. Up to this point the only dancers we have had that have complained about it are the girls from Oregon. I have seen this done at numerous clubs. Im sorry some of you feel this is a total violation of your rights or whatever. We dont do it when the club is slow, were not doing it to line our own pockets.

Madmaxine is here and she moved to Minot because she does do well here. Are we a perfect club, not at all. We do have a good crowd of regulars and oil riggers that do come and blow large amounts of money. The issues we have had we have tried to address as well as possible. The girls that were coming in that were obviously working have been all kicked out. This "pimp" in the club, not even sure what to say. I guess im here every night and I have yet to have a pimp. If you were intimidated because a black guy was sitting in here looking at you, you must work at the nicest stip club ever where every customer gets interviewed to make sure that they arnt creepy and are perfect gentlemen.......as far as dancers dating, since we have been open I have let go four dancers for "dating". Now obviously we dont want this to be happening and I can understand how a dancer that dates makes it difficult for the other dancers, now on the clubs behalf, the only way we would know if a girl was dating after we closed is if I went to the hotel and monitored the hallways or if you dancers that know this is happening told us!! I dont have telepathy and I cant see into the future to see how a dancer is gonna be when she gets here. We do our best to keep that shit out of here.

As far as the northern goes in Fargo, there are many girls that dance there longer than a week. And I know there are a lot of girls that go there and make $150 a night, how you might ask. Because we are a small state, there are four club in the whole state and many of the girls work three of them. I have 5 dancers that have moved to Minot or made us there house club because they do well, we are easy to work with and have little to no drama. Like I said were not perfect, we have issues to address, but we try our hardest to make sure we are running a safe, clean, and fun club. Now if you live in Arizona, should you jump on an airplane and fly here to dance, I doubt it. But the dancers in Minnesota, Montana, Wisconsin, Iowa, and South Dakota that can drive here or take the train or they can make another booking at club in North Dakota it is worth it!!


If there are any other concerns not addressed post it up or feel free to call me at 701-721-1337. I would like to think we are easy enough to work with. I apologize for some of you that feel differently, if you could find me a perfect club, I would love to go there for a week and see what they do differently!!!

vanilla_dog
07-28-2008, 01:45 PM
because I went out of business means that I rip off people.

Evidently


My car dealership closed while I was in the middle of going through a divorce.

Tell it to the judge.


We are a family and have little to no turnover


Little to no turnover? What about your General Manager Dan? Last I heard he thought a poker game in Las Vegas was a better bet than you.


Up to this point the only dancers we have had that have complained about it are the girls from Oregon

STFU. Several dancers have denounced it and they are not from Oregon although if you want to go there I am happy to note that dancers from out West do seem completely unwilling to submit themselves to the degradation and exploitation that seems so prevalent out East.


I have seen this done at numerous clubs.

I have seen all kinds of things done in clubs all over the country but that doesn't mean I adopt them as my own policy.


If you were intimidated because a black guy was sitting in here looking at you

When did I mention a black guy? That seems kind of racist frankly.


I can understand how a dancer that dates makes it difficult for the other dancers.

It makes it difficult for you Special Boy! It means we are holding a guy by one arm and pulling him upstairs for a 90 dollar dance while she is pulling him by the other arm to meet him later for a 100 dollar fuck! That is money out of YOUR pocket.

Other clubs go to great lengths to remove these people from their bar. Some even hire professional security experts or "cleaners." If you say you don't notice such activity in your club you are either remarkably unobservant or a liar.


If there are any other concerns not addressed post it up

I think you have enough on your plate. We'll get to that later.

Paradise420
12-03-2013, 03:12 PM
any updates??? does this place still exist??? is the money still great??? is management still doing the base pay???

she wolf
12-22-2013, 12:19 PM
I heard girls were making crazy money in either ND or SD because of the oil industry

arielbriel
12-22-2013, 09:45 PM
THat was said a long time ago, though...

she wolf
12-23-2013, 03:50 PM
I know it was I just wanted to know if it was in this particular place

scarlettoeuvre
12-24-2013, 06:01 AM
Hey guys I'm in Minot and I'm afraid there was some law passed that banned strip clubs within city limits. Both of the former strip clubs (Envy and the Chicago Club) went out of business. I'm no expert, but I think if someone with capital were to open a classy club just outside of city limits they could do really well.