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Djoser
10-08-2007, 01:26 PM
I'm talking about the difference between what people call a slut and what is better described as sexually liberated. Or with men, the difference between an abusive asshole and a player who really likes women.

Ie, the number of sex partners I've had might make me a slut, but the way I approach sex makes me....NOT a slut. Same goes with men. Once again, I think a person's attitude and approach to sex is a better indicator of what kind of partner they'll be than sheer number of fucks.



Bravo! I love this! But coming from you I'm not surprised.

Jenny
10-08-2007, 07:04 PM
So... I'm guessing I'm the only one here who is not so hard to please? Maybe I've just been unusually lucky, but I have not come across many people who have failed to get me off (orally speaking). Now, I've never experienced a "duck shake" (although I have heard of it) - this might change my mind - but a guy... I don't know, moving his head around can still elicit pleasant feelings. I've certainly never had anyone blow air into me (and if anyone tried it would elicit a laugh and a "what ARE you doing?" Like I would think it was meant to be some kind of joke). Is this really something that guys do? It's not like I've only been with one or two guys, and I really didn't see this as a complicated science that only a few guys had a handle on.

Casual Observer
10-08-2007, 09:32 PM
You aren't a senior citizen so you aren't that damn old man. Are you even 40? If you feel old already, I feel for ya.

Working on 40...but it's not that I feel old. It's that I don't have time to waste on sexual experiences that will prove to be subpar, especially when I know it in advance. I couldn't give a rat's ass about the numbers, frankly. The quantitative approach never been my attitude because, aside from being utterly banal and pedestrian as a pursuit, the quality of those experiences cannot possibly be as satisfying as real sexual connections--the law of averages simply doesn't allow for it.


You even say at the end of your post that you are "jaded". If so, I would think Alba's value as a novelty lay would increase, not decrease. Your post seems inconsistent to me.

Nothing inconsistent about it at all. As someone who has long viewed sex as a recreational pursuit, I'm all about novelty in sex--but in the experience in its totality, not just because it's a different head atop a nice POA. There's nothing inherently novel about fucking hot chicks in and of themselves; I've been doing that for some time now. I get jaded because I've been so fortunate as to have had mind-crushing, blackout-inducing sexual experiences that set the bar at such a level that if Jessica Alba showed up at my door wet, willing and able, she's going to have to do something pretty amazing to meet, let alone eclipse my expectations.


I'm not trying to be rude here, but telling Sh0t he's despicable because he's promiscuous is like telling Bridgette she's despicable because "she fucks who she wants when she wants and how she wants", Or you're saying that should a woman like her meet Sh0t, one of them would bare the emotional scare of their one-night sexual romp. The only difference between Sh0t's quotes and Bridgette's, is he quantifies his and scores them.

Agreed. It's hypocritcal and sexist to say that Sh0t's motivation is less valid than Bridgette's motivation--even though, as I just wrote, I find quantitative pursuits banal and pedestrian. And I'm not knocking B at all here, just noting the comparative reaction to what appear to be diametrically opposed perspectives and/or moral positions, but in reality, fall along the very same plane across the spectrum of experiences.


I maintain that there is a difference in sexually pursuing someone because you want to have sex as opposed to pursuing them because you want a status symbol and bragging rights.

If the rush is the same, what's the difference to you? Mast has covered this well, so I'll not reiterate the point except to say that if adults are consenting, wherein lies the problem? Just because it's not fitting in your paradigm, Jenny, that doesn't make Sh0t some childhood victim, convenient as that might otherwise be.


I don't think reformed sluts automatically make the best girlfriends.

Automatically? Irrevocably? No. But DJoser is right; the preponderance of evidence certainly weighs in your favor with dirty girls.


Ultimately, a person's attitudes toward sex and how they approach it are a better indicator of what kind of partner s/he'll be - not just the numbers.

Truth, and then some.

<S> B

Sh0t
10-08-2007, 10:05 PM
Yea but you can't tell how good a girl is gonna be in bed until AFTER you fuck her. That's what I'm trying to say. You guys are speaking as if you know what the sex is going to be like BEFOREHAND.


I couldn't give a rat's ass about the numbers, frankly. The quantitative approach never been my attitude because, aside from being utterly banal and pedestrian as a pursuit, the quality of those experiences cannot possibly be as satisfying as real sexual connections--the law of averages simply doesn't allow for it.

Of course you don't because as usual, SW men are a new kind of man: masculine and sensitive and whatever other shit in there. Myself, I'm a normal guy. And overwhelmingly, normal guys care about numbers. Not in the sense of they would change their religion over it, but just look at some of the fantasy roles out there. Being the rock star with a new groupie after every show. Being Hugh Hefner, old with new playmate ass every cycle, the sports star with tons of groupies, etc. The cliche about men multiplying their conquests by 3 and women dividing theirs by 3 is a cliche for a reason: it's mostly true.
I don't think it is age related, either.

Even though in general it can fade, one of the best ways to have novel sex is to have it with a new partner. And again for we NORMAL MEN, there is something really exciting about new pussy, even if it's not the best sex in the world.


I get jaded because I've been so fortunate as to have had mind-crushing, blackout-inducing sexual experiences that set the bar at such a level that if Jessica Alba showed up at my door wet, willing and able, she's going to have to do something pretty amazing to meet, let alone eclipse my expectations.
Just stop it man. I've had amazing sex too, but you better believe if she showed up at my door in that condition, I'd be excited just to see her there. What an opportunity! If your able to have sex at such a high level, you might have different genitalia than I have, because every orgasm to me feels pretty much the same if I can get there.

Automatically? Irrevocably? No. But DJoser is right; the preponderance of evidence certainly weighs in your favor with dirty girls.

What evidence is that? Being good in bed is quite different from being a good GIRLFRIEND, and in a lot of cases,

"I've had my fun" = Fellatio is a thing of the past

tired of bar/club scene = too many one night stands where she got fucked and dumped or she isn't getting hit on at all because she's too fat & fugly

Tired of games/jerks - I fucked and sucked my way through fifteen counties, but now I want a docile schmuck to pay my bills and not pester me for sex.



If your main overriding relationship value is how good a chick can fuck, maybe it's a good indication. But that ranks about 5th on my value scale.



Blowing air inside a coochie is great fun, but it's not a sexual technique. Just something comedic to do. i highly recommend it alongside Eskimo kissing her clit.

hotbod
10-08-2007, 10:23 PM
I Love Eating Pussy Until She Cums And Then Flipping Her Over And Givin It To Her Until I Do! That Way, Were Both Happy!

Mily
10-08-2007, 10:27 PM
^Good post. :P

Bridgette
10-09-2007, 02:42 AM
Yea but you can't tell how good a girl is gonna be in bed until AFTER you fuck her. That's what I'm trying to say. You guys are speaking as if you know what the sex is going to be like BEFOREHAND. Seriously dude? If you've had as much sex as you claim, you should be able to tell whether a woman will be decent in bed long before you get there. Hell, I can tell within 5 minutes (or less) of meeting a guy if he'll be a decent fuck or not. Experience...




What evidence is that? Being good in bed is quite different from being a good GIRLFRIEND, and in a lot of cases,


If your main overriding relationship value is how good a chick can fuck, maybe it's a good indication. But that ranks about 5th on my value scale.Are you gonna retract your previous statement that players can make the best boyfriends? Because it seems to me you're contradicting yourself now. Or maybe you're just showing your own hangups about promiscuous women. If players can make the best boyfriends, so can sexually liberated women make the best girlfriends. Did you miss the entire discussion of the last page or so? We're saying these people CAN make great partners because they have a healthy attitude toward sex and are less likely to be jealous/insecure shitheads. It's not about how good they are in bed (although that is obviously a good perc); it's about their attitudes.

Djoser
10-09-2007, 07:11 AM
And Bridgette scores again, lol...

madmaxine
10-09-2007, 07:14 AM
I Love Eating Pussy Until She Cums And Then Flipping Her Over And Givin It To Her Until I Do! That Way, Were Both Happy!

Bravo!

Djoser
10-09-2007, 07:16 AM
Yeah, that's FUCKING HOT!!!! No one else here likes that, or can do it, either.

RoseWhite
10-09-2007, 07:45 AM
Of course you don't because as usual, SW men are a new kind of man: masculine and sensitive and whatever other shit in there. Myself, I'm a normal guy.

Once again, I find it incredible that any time any other man disagrees with you, you chalk it up to dishonesty or imply that they're phonies or hippie SNAGS or some such crap. Are you really so narcissistic that you actually believe it's not possible that someone really does disagree with you, or even (gasp) looks at life differently?

Anyway, whatever it is you're insinuating about Casual Observer, I think you'd be pretty surprised if you actually met him. If not downright embarrassed at yourself.


And overwhelmingly, normal guys care about numbers. Not in the sense of they would change their religion over it, but just look at some of the fantasy roles out there. Being the rock star with a new groupie after every show. Being Hugh Hefner, old with new playmate ass every cycle, the sports star with tons of groupies, etc.

Magic Johnson with thousands of . . . oh yeah. Whoops.



Blowing air inside a coochie is great fun, but it's not a sexual technique. Just something comedic to do. i highly recommend it alongside Eskimo kissing her clit.

I can't even bother with the rest, but I do want to point out that if you really do do this as a joke (everyone has jokey things they do in the sack, like zerberts, I'm not being judgmental here), did you miss the part where this (blowing air, not Eskimo kisses) can actually cause embolisms? Not so funny then.

AinNY
10-09-2007, 07:53 AM
I love you Shot!

Mastridonicus
10-09-2007, 08:32 AM
So... I'm guessing I'm the only one here who is not so hard to please?

You're probably in the majority of people who try to achieve a personal comfort level with the partner you're with and are not set off by any one major novelty he may provide. I maintain my argument that if the people involved are really heated for each other, they do most of the work themselves making up for potentially lacking technique.



There's nothing inherently novel about fucking hot chicks in and of themselves; I've been doing that for some time now. I get jaded because I've been so fortunate as to have had mind-crushing, blackout-inducing sexual experiences that set the bar at such a level that if Jessica Alba showed up at my door wet, willing and able, she's going to have to do something pretty amazing to meet, let alone eclipse my expectations.


And for a merely simple support of this very fact I can add that not giving a flying fuck why "Jessica Alba" stands out to the reader more than a woman of less public recognition and only considering my personal decision of why I would want to pursue a sexual encounter with the individual, has led me to nothing more than the most memorably sexual relationships with the highest quality of woman.

What is truly sad, in my opinion, is that when you live through the marketing-created view of your selected peers, you truly derive yourself of real pleasure. This means that woman who do not see themselves as the "10" they want to be to their targets, often feel that they need to make up for it, sometimes this is as simple as "Well I know I'm great in bed". By Contrast this also means that men will either have to justify themselves to their peers, by exclaiming she makes up for it in the unseen and thusly ruining a potentially genuine experience.

Very few of us have shuffled off the coil of the value of sexual reputation and even fewer in other non-sexual venues and continue to validate ourselves on personal matters via the view of our "recollected story" to our peers. This truly is sad because not only does it reinforce the Achillies Heel of sexual insecurity, but makes our partners lose value in the potential growth of our attraction to them leaving them to seek value in other's attraction of them since ours become familiar and "biased"



Automatically? Irrevocably? No. But DJoser is right; the preponderance of evidence certainly weighs in your favor with dirty girls.


I find, in my limited experience, that women (and assumed, men) with all sorts of experience make for better partners, short or long term, simply because the more personal life experience, the stronger they are as individuals and the more value is gained in their choice of a partner because of the understanding that there is a world of choices out there.




Yea but you can't tell how good a girl is gonna be in bed
In one night's worth of conversation, that's true. In a Pick Up, as well. You also can't tell if she's got AIDS.

Being selective and treating sexuality as a level to be earned with someone doesn't take away from having multiple partners, just adds a mutual value to each relationship. More time spent getting to know someone is just that. Which will ultimately, not only, give you a greater expectation about the quality of sex, but her honesty and thusly increasing the overall safety and potential for revisiting.




Of course you don't because as usual, SW men are a new kind of man: masculine and sensitive and whatever other shit in there. Myself, I'm a normal guy.

Actually, you're not. You're the same as the man you describe. We all claim we're "not the normal guy" We're "masculine" as you, "friendly and considerate" as you, and "honest" as you, or so we claim. Exactly how are we different in that your view of "honesty" means painting a topic and then responding to the responses in a frame that allows onlookers to feel their being objectified? You picked this audience because you knew it would lead to an unwelcome topic and you designed the initial thread to lead in this direction, or so is my belief. On another forum, you would have done so differently based upon the audience, as the "PU artist" is designed.





And overwhelmingly, normal guys care about numbers.
Not in the sense of they would change their religion over it, but just look at some of the fantasy roles out there. Being the rock star with a new groupie after every show. Being Hugh Hefner, old with new playmate ass every cycle, the sports star with tons of groupies, etc.


Yes. And being an astronaut was every eight year old boy's dream. As what you describe is every 18 year old's dream. However, I have to disagree with you, OVERWHELMINGLY (using the same cited sources as you which is my perception) I would wager that as a guy gains experience his life takes a turn into the direction that supports, gradually, more of what he enjoys as an individual as it is accepted by his peers. This is why I feel it's hard for homosexuals to "come out of the closet" they start having relationships with other men, to gratify their wants. Doing it in secret, to not disgust their peers.

Some men will grow to prefer curvy women, and still love Jessica Alba to their peers to not have to defend their wants. Some will fuck for numbers and relay their grades for the acceptance of their peers.

Me? I bid a gratifying and permanent "fuck off" to anyone that seriously makes me justify any aspect of my partner. I swing for the fences every time. The only person I have to answer to when the occasional bad experience comes up is myself.



because every orgasm to me feels pretty much the same if I can get there.

I disagree. Do others feel this way?



If your main overriding relationship value is how good a chick can fuck, maybe it's a good indication. But that ranks about 5th on my value scale.

See, this is good, because you're speaking for yourself, which is true, and not "NORMAL" by any means.




Seriously dude? If you've had as much sex as you claim, you should be able to tell whether a woman will be decent in bed long before you get there. Hell, I can tell within 5 minutes (or less) of meeting a guy if he'll be a decent fuck or not. Experience...


That's the only way to put it. Experience creates a better ability to judge within that 5 minutes.

RoseWhite
10-09-2007, 08:57 AM
because every orgasm to me feels pretty much the same if I can get there.

I disagree. Do others feel this way?

I just think that really great sex is about a hell of a lot more than just the orgasm. Men, of all people, ought to be thankful that women recognize that. Otherwise we'd ONLY masturbate, since the orgasm in & of itself is not only much more consistent when masturbating, it's usually much more intense. Especially when toys come into play. (Mileage may vary.)

Yekhefah
10-09-2007, 09:04 AM
^^^ :yes:

Sh0t
10-09-2007, 10:39 AM
You picked this audience because you knew it would lead to an unwelcome topic and you designed the initial thread to lead in this direction, or so is my belief.

You can suck a dick, because I was talking about this thread idea in the irc chan before I posted it because I had the curiosity about eating pussy based on recent experiences. The girls in there encouraged me to post it, so I did so.

I didn't design it to do anything and I've tried a few times to return it back to the original topic.

Jenny
10-09-2007, 10:54 AM
I always think it is sort of interesting when guys treat "sucking a dick" like it is a punishment for something. Do you really think your dicks are THAT bad? Self-hating. So. Is sucking dick overrated? Is it just something you want people to do because you think they don't want to do it? Or do you enjoy it in and of itself?

Bridgette
10-09-2007, 11:32 AM
I just think that really great sex is about a hell of a lot more than just the orgasm. Men, of all people, ought to be thankful that women recognize that. Otherwise we'd ONLY masturbate, since the orgasm in & of itself is not only much more consistent when masturbating, it's usually much more intense. Especially when toys come into play. (Mileage may vary.)YES. If all anyone ever wanted was an orgasm we wouldn't be having the overpopulation issues we do, because we'd have long been extinct. Or at the very least, no one would ever make any distinction between good sex and bad.



I always think it is sort of interesting when guys treat "sucking a dick" like it is a punishment for something. Do you really think your dicks are THAT bad? Self-hating. So. Is sucking dick overrated? Is it just something you want people to do because you think they don't want to do it? Or do you enjoy it in and of itself? :rotfl:

Nicolina
10-09-2007, 11:33 AM
Is sucking dick overrated? Is it just something you want people to do because you think they don't want to do it? Or do you enjoy it in and of itself?


START THE THREAD, JENNY!!! pLEASE, pLEASE start the thread! }:D

Djoser
10-09-2007, 12:42 PM
Well, I would respectfully submit that there is this thread started by MadMaxine, which was a great idea even if it was jacked by my rude, drunken babbling:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99778


I do think an extremely large number of men view 'sucking dick' (to use, again, the parallel phrase to 'eating pussy') as a submissive activity, with the submissive being automatically accorded an even lower 'rank' than the person 'eating pussy'.

It is true that Sh0t did choose this audience for this, his initial foray into a 'StripperWeb Better Sex Series'. It is also true that he was egged on by numerous women, not all of whom may have been initially aware of his attitude and ethical views relating to the activities of the 'Pick Up community', or PU(C?). Did I just butcher that acronym--it's supposed to be PUA, isn't it, a Pick Up Artist?


'Artist'


Interesting that this is viewed as an 'art form'. What would Tolstoy have to say about it? I know, or think I have a fairly good idea, what Kafka would say.

But I know damned well he (Sh0t) never intended for it to become a debate of this exact nature concerning the ethics of casual sex, or SWS (did I get that right? Without Strings? SWA? Sorry, I'm too lazy to hunt that exact acronym down).

The threadjacking has taken an interesting twist as of late. And I helped, lol.

I have always admired the notion, proposed by Montaigne, that an ideal conversation will evolve and shift freely, often winding up on an entirely different subject, sometimes coming full circle to the 'topic starting' idea, sometimes not. Of course, this is anathema to those who hammer home the sin of 'threadjacking', a sin to which I must confess an inordinate culpability.

I rather like the twist it has taken, though Sh0t himself may not.

Sh0t, I meant what I said when I told you if I didn't think I would like you if we met, I wouldn't be saying a lot of this. But good god, man, when you come out with statements like "I'm the 5% you have to watch out for", "I've never been shy, baby." (did I fuck that one up?), or "I RUN San Diego, man.", you have to expect a little heat from this particular audience: StripperWeb.

You cannot run a game on these women. Not, at least, on all of them. Most of them are going to give you some shit for trying. And you would be really fucking naive, more so than the kind of women who fall for preplanned seduction techniques, etc., not to expect it.

Djoser
10-09-2007, 12:57 PM
Sorry, I should explain--I am not necessarily implying that you were trying to 'run a game' by starting this thread, Sh0t.

I was trying to say that this is a very different kind of audience than an audience composed of the kind of women who will readily 'submit' to those stratagems and techniques a PUA might employ.

Oh, and all orgasms are most definitely not created equal. That's beyond debate...

DJSlider
10-09-2007, 05:26 PM
What the fuck is up with this alphabet thing? You mean guys actually try to trace the alphabet with their tounges?? That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard...

Ok Djoser... after weeding thru literally hours of video... I came up with this for you. Can't believe you haven't seen it!!!!

I :blush: to admit this..... I, in my youth, (not saying I'm old by any means) did indeed try this..... luckily it was on day 3 of a beyond exceptional, long weekend with "the love of my life" at the time.... truthfully it worked out better than expected cause we both laughed so hard.... and there's something to be said about playful, laughing sex.... Whoa nellie..... :spin: But I digress..... watch, laugh, learn... (what NOT to do!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0AKmhzVYmI

DJSlider
10-09-2007, 05:50 PM
So, men of SW, tell us how you'd like us to instruct you without damaging your fragile sense of manhood. I'd like to know.

I can't speak for all the guys on here.... not that I'd want to.... but truthfully this is the best course of action..... start at about 2:55 into the video.... too funny but how I feel lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfugQC5RO1M

Lexi
10-09-2007, 08:27 PM
Note to self: meet Lexi one day

;D



LOL ;)





Seriously, I watch porn, um, once in a while (yeah, that's the ticket!) and guys generally lick pussy the wrong way. They use their tongue like they're unclogging a drain!


:rotfl: Soooo true!

Callyish
10-09-2007, 08:37 PM
Okay... this thread... seriously... has made my head hurt... so I'll leave it at this...

There has only ever been ONE person to get me off orally... and hes my man now. Otherwise I HATE having my pussy licked, by guy or girl. Id just rather the guy finger me a bit while I suck his cock then fuck me senseless.

That is where im leaving this *wanders back out*

Budai
10-09-2007, 09:47 PM
There has only ever been ONE person to get me off orally... and hes my man now. Otherwise I HATE having my pussy licked, by guy or girl. I'd just rather the guy finger me a bit while I suck his cock then fuck me senseless.


Succinctly put! 8)

SundayMorning
12-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Having read very little of this thread...

Yes, it's overrated IMO. I don't like all that attention on me, I lose interest instantly if I feel like I'm "expected" to cum or something. It gets me excited and wet if I'm not already, but it's just foreplay to me.

DSUsb19
12-08-2007, 08:45 PM
So, men of SW, tell us how you'd like us to instruct you without damaging your fragile sense of manhood. I'd like to know.

I'm not a man, but I do enjoy partaking in the performance and the best way I can put it is "ears are for steering." :listen: