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gracieS
10-02-2008, 10:38 AM
^^^ Sweatpants are disrespectful in an SC. Dress appropriately, it isn't a gym. I wish all SC's had dress codes.

gracieS
10-02-2008, 10:41 AM
And instead of bringing this up HERE, why didn't you just go to the link of the earlier thread she started and discuss it there?

This conversation has been had a billion times.

whitelight97402
10-02-2008, 11:03 AM
And instead of bringing this up HERE, why didn't you just go to the link of the earlier thread she started and discuss it there?

This conversation has been had a billion times.

Funny, but I never knew about the sweat pant thing till reading this board, whenever i'm at the club i notice those dudes now...

Otoki
10-02-2008, 12:00 PM
Not obvious at all, to be honest.

I wear underwear [$30 buck a pop boxer briefs] and my "junk" is always showered, and never slimy [why do you have to make this personal? I wouldn't call any part of YOU slimy.]. I also don't like to make "cumsies" in my pants so wet spots are never a problem because I'm just not going there.

And, as I stated most politely, all I said is I don't understand it from a business aspect because turning down a guy like myself for a dance is money down the drain, because I come into the club with money and I tip well for good dancing [and what is good depends on my mood, but I can tell you I don't seek extras from dancers I can tell don't provide them... why piss people off.]

I can, and always have, found what I want so I never get upset if someone doesn't want to provide it because someone else always comes along who will so this isn't a personal issue. I am TRYING to discuss this from purely a BUSINESS aspect.

[Though from past experience I know that probably isn't possible so why don't we just drop it now.]
The business aspect:
Many dancers find that they make more money in the long run if they don't do dances for people who make them uncomfortable. Sweatpants make many of us uncomfortable because if we're doing friction dances your penis is extremely PRESENT, boxer briefs or no boxer briefs. It's just a preference for some dancers.

You pointed out how you avoid the creepy things commonly associated with sweatpants wearers, but this indicates that you are aware of the negative stereotypes attached to these pants. So, while you can argue that it's bad business to pass YOU up because you're a nice guy, willing to spend money, etc. I could argue that it's good business for dancers to pass on dancing for someone who they think, due to TONS of prior negative experience, will be unpleasant to dance for.

The more non-creepy people I dance for in a night, the happier I am, and the more money I make. I trust my instincts. Sometimes that means I miss out on money, but it also means that I'm staying in a good mood. Thus, for many dancers like me, it's good business sense.

I also think that no matter what sort of underwear you have on, wearing sweat-pants/track pants is saying "I want to feel as much as possible with my penis". Sure, they're comfy, but so are corduroys and nice dress pants, and those don't seem to give dancers issues at all.

Otoki
10-02-2008, 12:03 PM
Golden_Rule.... let's agree to disagree. I have my limits and you have yours. I don't understand why you NEED to wear track pants to a strip club... perhaps I never will... but you are entitled to do what you like.

That in mind, I can refuse to dance for anyone who makes me uncomfortable. Sweat pants/track pants/ and associated 'athletic' attire is not something I would like to be dancing on.... for all the reasons in that thread.

While you may be a swell guy, perhaps even a great looking guy, your idea of a good time at a strip club falls pretty much in line with why I DO NOT dance for sweatpant men.


We wouldn't mesh (pun intended) well. Maybe Sweatpants are a polarizing factor in strip clubs. Maybe it's for the best.
Wow, with that post in mind, GR, it's pretty obvious why you're wearing sweatpants. Don't be obtuse. Most dancers don't like feeling your penis, no matter how much money is being exchanged. The end.

CKXXX
10-02-2008, 12:59 PM
Ok..lets not bring back the old sweatpants argument...girls dont like them,they are tacky,uncouth,and sloppy and the pervs wearing them will defend them to the death.

So lets move on...or else thread too will devolve into 100 pages of nobody agreeing!

Golden_Rule
10-02-2008, 05:00 PM
Golden_Rule.... let's agree to disagree. I have my limits and you have yours. I don't understand why you NEED to wear track pants to a strip club... perhaps I never will... but you are entitled to do what you like.

Not trying to belabor this, but just so you know the reason I wear track pants to a strip-club is because I wear them almost every where else. I'm almost always in track pants unless I am going to a strictly business function [in which case I wear a suit]. I wear them because they are comfortable. They allow me to MOVE when I need to and they make it really easy to hide a sidearm [which I am almost always carrying - legally of course]. Besides I'm from Italian neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Newark and all the middle-aged Italians from Brooklyn and Newark wear track pants. Didn't you ever watch the Sopranos. :D


That in mind, I can refuse to dance for anyone who makes me uncomfortable. Sweat pants/track pants/ and associated 'athletic' attire is not something I would like to be dancing on.... for all the reasons in that thread.

I'd never say different. I just said I don't understand it because 1) If a guy is clean cut and in clean clothes he is clean cut and in clean clothes. What those clothes are, I just don't see how it makes a difference? 2) If he is any kind of endowed, average to well, if your dancing has the usual effect you are going to be able to tell - unless he's wearing chain male - and THAT I would have questions about if I were a dancer :) . 3) The comfort of track pants works both ways as there is no scratchy material or zippers to rub against you which is exactly part of the reason I wear them myself.

But that is just my reasoning and we can certainly agree to disagree.


While you may be a swell guy, perhaps even a great looking guy, your idea of a good time at a strip club falls pretty much in line with why I DO NOT dance for sweatpant men.

I am a swell guy, couldn't know better, but I'm ugly as sin itself. So ugly I'm actually cute. Like a pug puppy 'cept I don't drool as much. :)

My idea of a good time in a strip-club runs along so many different lines as to defy being pigeon-holed into any one category. If I am in an extras club sometimes I look for extras. If I am in a clean club I don't. I don't look to alarm people. What is the point of that? If I am with friends I'm in a party mood and not looking for anything for myself at all but to raise the level of fun for everyone around me so I become something of an entertainer myself, which most dancers in the area usually enjoy because their tipping from my group goes through the roof with little effort on their part but a smile.


We wouldn't mesh (pun intended) well. Maybe Sweatpants are a polarizing factor in strip clubs. Maybe it's for the best.

Neither of us could possibly know that unless we met each other.

And since I have a very strict rule about never having commercial interaction with dancers who might work at a club or party I am managing* [I don't have "private" auditions - that would be slimy and totally NOT my style] and you asked for an in if we get our club off the ground so I wouldn't be going there.

*In all my years I've never had sex with any dancer who worked at a club I bounced at [youth] or managed the floor, etc. Its just bad on SOOO many levels. And while I try not to discriminate I don't generally hire dancers I have had relationships with in the past. Commercial or otherwise. Just bad for business. Even if no one is playing favorites if it gets out among the other dancers someone is going to be pointing fingers and making drama. I don't like drama where I work. It gives me a rash. :)

wishing well...

Golden_Rule
10-02-2008, 05:10 PM
Count a gentlemen's club as one of those "special" places where sweatpants would be inappropriate. You wouldn't wear them on a date to an upscale restaurant would you? Thank god my club has a dress code and a strict "no athletic wear" policy.


When is interaction between customer and dancer become equivalent to a date? Now you truly lost me.

OPINION: Most clubs should be unstuffy and fun. I understand posh but places like Hustler and PEC are "pseudo posh". Just a bunch of people being truly plastic, unreal, and totally pompous. This is precisely the reason I choose to stop hanging out at places like Hustler and PEC.

If I want uptight I don't go to a strip-club. In fact, if I am in an uptight place *I* expect to be getting paid because the only way I'll be in one is if I am working, and it better be for pretty damn good money to put up with the kind of scenario I described above.

gracieS
10-02-2008, 05:27 PM
[I'm just assuming this was directed at me since it was not otherwise specified. yes?]
...
...
...I brought it up here to answer the question 'What Categories of Guys Will You Not Dance For?'...
my answer was.
the type in sweatpants.
I just took the time to explain my answer rather than making a four word post. It wasn't an attempt at discussion. There was no discussion being had. There is no conversation being had here for it to have been had a million times. I apologize if my answer seemed like an attempt at some sort of discussion you feel would best be had elsewhere... but I assure you... it was not that.

No, my comment was not meant for you, it was meant for the Golden Rule.

gracieS
10-02-2008, 05:28 PM
Then accept that some girls won't give you dances because of what you're wearing. Period.

Golden_Rule
10-02-2008, 05:32 PM
You pointed out how you avoid the creepy things commonly associated with sweatpants wearers, but this indicates that you are aware of the negative stereotypes attached to these pants.

No, I pointed out that I like fancy, thick cotton, name brand underwear because they feel nice, I can afford to wear them and I don't like to be unclean so I shower frequently.

It is just my opinion, but I think it is a valid one, that a stigma attached to guys who wear track pants is as silly as a stigma attached to women based solely on their being strippers.

I don't judge people that way so I find it hard to understand in others.

Exactly as my screen name implies I treat others the way I would like to be treated myself, right up until they give me a damn good reason not to. :)

Golden_Rule
10-02-2008, 05:54 PM
Then accept that some girls won't give you dances because of what you're wearing. Period.

What part of what I wrote says I don't. In fact I specifically said that I do accept it.

Why do some of you seemingly begrudge me the right to think about something as I choose? It doesn't seem like you are stating you don't agree with my opinion. That would be fine. It seems like you are stating I shouldn't have one unless it agrees with yours, which is another thing altogether.

You do know that an opinion is generally harmless and only has as much power as YOU give it. So why begrudge someone theirs? I don't have an issue with you having an opinion on sweat panted customers. I simply don't agree with it and said why I don't. I don't expect to change your mind and I certainly not trying to change your behavior, but I don't expect to be told I am not entitled to have an opinion and state it as publicly as anyone else. I put it there for others to read as they come by to balance the other side of the argument so that people who are undecided on the issue are given both sides to think about.

I'm not telling anyone what to do. You are just taking it that way which is absolutely misreading what I wrote.

wishing well...

Golden_Rule
10-02-2008, 06:04 PM
Wow, with that post in mind, GR, it's pretty obvious why you're wearing sweatpants. Don't be obtuse. Most dancers don't like feeling your penis, no matter how much money is being exchanged. The end.

What are you talking about... that isn't even my post you quoted in the response, it was Sophia's? :)

Also, you said:


I could argue that it's good business for dancers to pass on dancing for someone who they think, due to TONS of prior negative experience, will be unpleasant to dance for.

What that is called is "profiling". Something from 25 years of being a police detective and supervisor I know well.

It is a very double edged sword.

If it helps you pick out a potential terrorist it may very well be worth while.

If it has you stopping every Black guy driving a BMW on I-95 it can be a bit of a problem.

It is very easy to cross the line from good judgement to prejudice. Are you sure some of you aren't practicing a little of the latter?

And with that said I'm bailing on this. I've made my point and it will stand, or not, on its own merit which I am totally cool with.

bsteve
10-02-2008, 07:49 PM
^^^ When grinding, dancers don't like feeling your slimy junk underneath you track pants.

Pretty obvious.

Call me captain obLIvious. Although I understand that trackpants or sweatpants are not very stylish and says something about the wearer of said sweatpants, I simply do not understand this. Although it has been posted on this forum repeatedly, and I do not question the veracity of the above statement, just exactly how are sweatpants different from Dockers, or other slacks? Is it not just a single layer of thin fabric? Can’t the guy’s package be felt through slacks exactly the same way as through sweatpants? Or is it because guys with sweatpants do not wear underwear while guys in slacks do?

What am I missing?

gracieS
10-02-2008, 07:50 PM
I don't want to have a full-fledged debate with you, okay? For fuck's sake, I'm over it.

gracieS
10-02-2008, 07:51 PM
That wasn't to bsteve, it was to Golden Rule.

yoda57us
10-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Sometimes I think that I go to strip clubs in some sort of parallel universe.

I wore shorts and warm-up pants to clubs before all of these threads on SW told me it was wrong and I continue to wear them. I have yet to spend an afternoon in any club being ignored by dancers because of my attire. I have yet to have a request fro VIP turned down by any dancer and, I swear I'm not making this up, my ATF loves the way my warm-ups feel on her bare butt...

you guys feel free to wear whatever you like and you gals can dance or not dance for whomever you like....I'm good, carry on...

gracieS
10-02-2008, 07:56 PM
my ATF loves the way my warm-ups feel on her bare butt...

HAHAHAHAHA.

I forgot that strippers never ever ever lied.

that is all.

bsteve
10-02-2008, 08:35 PM
That wasn't to bsteve, it was to Golden Rule.

Thanks, gracieS. :) For a moment I thought that I just pissed off someone else online.

Sophia_Starina
10-03-2008, 01:16 AM
I saw this... http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n7/selftorture_loser/SWEATPANTS.jpg and LOL'ed! :rotfl:

DesuvsDeath
10-03-2008, 01:53 AM
XDD. Glad it amused someone.
I'm practicing introducing myself in this manner for Halloween... where I plan to show up on my day off dressed as SpBM.

Sophia_Starina
10-03-2008, 02:10 AM
XDD. Glad it amused someone.
I'm practicing introducing myself in this manner for Halloween... where I plan to show up on my day off dressed as SpBM.


Hiiiiilarious! *applauds*

yoda57us
10-03-2008, 04:44 AM
my ATF loves the way my warm-ups feel on her bare butt...

HAHAHAHAHA.

I forgot that strippers never ever ever lied.

that is all.


Well, yes they do, but she's not. In fact, a while back we were laughing our asses off together about the entire "no sweat pants" thread.

You can dance for whomever you like. I completely understand why some dancers have reservations. I'm not interested in spending money on those ladies anyway so it's a win/win in my book!

gracieS
10-03-2008, 12:42 PM
I just don't think it's acceptable to go OUT for the night wearing clothes like sweatpants.
And I never will. I hate seeing people wear tube tops and track pants and rubber flip flops to plays or musicals or other nice places. I think it's inappropriate to dress so down when all of the dancers in the SCs have taken so much time to look their best FOR YOU.

gracieS
10-03-2008, 12:43 PM
PS- thanks for moving all of the comments Jenny!

Earl_the_Pearl
10-03-2008, 12:58 PM
In Paterson/Newark NJ clubs sweatpants don't work, they don't have a zipper. :party:

yoda57us
10-03-2008, 01:51 PM
I just don't think it's acceptable to go OUT for the night wearing clothes like sweatpants.
And I never will. I hate seeing people wear tube tops and track pants and rubber flip flops to plays or musicals or other nice places. I think it's inappropriate to dress so down when all of the dancers in the SCs have taken so much time to look their best FOR YOU.

And you are entitled to your opinion gracie. Honestly, if I was going to an upscale GC for the night I might agree with you.

But I'm not. I go mostly in the afternoon to a few nice but not too fancy clubs in my area. One of them actually did have a very strict dress code when it opened five or six years ago but business suffered and they lightened up. I shower, shave, put on a pair of comfortable cotton warm-up pants (yes, I put on underwear under them), a nice soft button down sport shirt, socks and sneakers and off I go. I enter the club, treat the dancers with respect and spend lots of money. If one article of clothing, loose fitting comfortable pants that are made of cotton, just like khakis or jeans, happen to be enough to make me an undesirable customer to some ladies I can live with that.

grindonme
10-03-2008, 07:00 PM
After the dance do the guys in the sweatpants just "stand up" like its nothing? I once wore a light gray Sean John velour tracksuit like this to the stripclub
http://www.threads101.com/images/SNJN057.jpg
and after i was finished with a dance went to stand up and had to sit back down until something cooled off a little. I couldn't see myself standing up and walking around with a erection poking out

yoda57us
10-03-2008, 08:08 PM
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Now that IS disgusting....

misspthesweetesttaboo
10-03-2008, 08:13 PM
A put on a pair of comfortable cotton warm-up pants (yes, I put on underwear under them), a nice soft button down sport shirt, socks and sneakers and off I go.

:O

a button down and warm up pants? maybe my mental visual isn't right...

yoda57us
10-04-2008, 05:56 AM
:O

a button down and warm up pants? maybe my mental visual isn't right...

I agree, kinda like sandals with black socks?

Maybe button-down isn't the best description...

At any rate, my entire point in contributing to this thread since the start is that it is ridiculous to let one single article of perfectly acceptable clothing determine if a guy is a good customer or a bad one. I spend a lot of money on girls who treat me well. I never have trouble finding girls willing to do that and they have never said one word about what I was wearing that wasn't complimentary.

Yes, yes I know, strippers lie, no one will complain as long as I am spending money blah, blah, blah! So what? The point isn't weather or not they like my wardrobe. The point is that they have figured out that I'm a non-offensive good spender and I'm not going to try and sodomize them through my clothing just because I'm not wearing an Armani suit to a strip club.

I get the feeling as I read through this thread that some of you ladies are equating attire with income and thinking that a guy who dresses casually probably won't spend a lot of money on you. I'm not a dancer so I'm not going to argue how you ladies decide to profile your customers. Do whatever works for you. I'm just a nice guy who happens to dress in a casual manner when he's not working. My pants, whatever they are made of, all have pockets in them. In one of those pockets is a tip roll of one's and five's that I use at the stage. In the other is a wad of twenty's, fifty's and sometimes hundred's that I use for LD's and VIP. I'm going to spend most of it before I leave the club. I won't ask you about your personal life, for your real name or for your phone number. I don't expect sex, extras or contact above club norms. Honestly, ignoring guys like me, and I've seen plenty of us over the years, is going to cost you money.


God I love this thread!

xsomnambulist
10-04-2008, 07:56 AM
Ugh. At a club I used to work at, we had a sweatpants guy who'd come in at least once a month and drop BIG money on every girl working.
He also used to talk about how small his penis was.
>____<

At my current club, there's a guy who comes in wearing satin pajama pants.
Yum.
:[

CKXXX
10-04-2008, 09:24 AM
I get the feeling as I read through this thread that some of you ladies are equating attire with income and thinking that a guy who dresses casually probably won't spend a lot of money on you. I'm not a dancer so I'm not going to argue how you ladies decide to profile your customers. Do whatever works for you. I'm just a nice guy who happens to dress in a casual manner when he's not working. My pants, whatever they are made of, all have pockets in them. In one of those pockets is a tip roll of one's and five's that I use at the stage. In the other is a wad of twenty's, fifty's and sometimes hundred's that I use for LD's and VIP. I'm going to spend most of it before I leave the club. I won't ask you about your personal life, for your real name or for your phone number. I don't expect sex, extras or contact above club norms. Honestly, ignoring guys like me, and I've seen plenty of us over the years, is going to cost you money.


God I love this thread!

I can only speak for myself but absolutely not! In fact I've been conditioned from dancing in SEFL that most guys dressed to the nines in a suit or blinging out wont spend. They are usually trying to impress with their attire and not their wallet. Guys dressed nice-casual(jeans with a nice shirt for example) are the ones I usually make money off of.

UtahMike
10-04-2008, 12:55 PM
^^ I thought I had learned that dancers did not like jeans because the fabric was too rough on their skin. Can I go back to wearing my Levis?

CKXXX
10-04-2008, 04:53 PM
^^ I thought I had learned that dancers did not like jeans because the fabric was too rough on their skin. Can I go back to wearing my Levis?
Well..like I said I can only speak for myself but I never mind jeans. The fabric doesnt bother me(maybe because I wear jeans myself all the time so I'm used to denim rubbing against my skin??lol) and they are thick enough that I cant feel every vein in a guys penis.

gracieS
10-04-2008, 09:40 PM
No, definitely NOT equating it with income; as people above me have said, most of the time the guys dressed to the nine's are just there to show off, not to spend. I'm equating it with respect, common human decency and the fact that if it's a grinding SC, dancers don't want to feel penises through the pants of the customers.

redhothoney
10-04-2008, 10:54 PM
Windpants might be worse!!!

yoda57us
10-05-2008, 05:40 AM
I'm equating it with respect, common human decency and the fact that if it's a grinding SC, dancers don't want to feel penises through the pants of the customers.

LOL, there are a lot of ways that people show respect and human decency for one another in this world. What a guy wears into a strip club is not one of them.

hockeybobby
10-05-2008, 09:48 AM
No, definitely NOT equating it with income; as people above me have said, most of the time the guys dressed to the nine's are just there to show off, not to spend. I'm equating it with respect, common human decency and the fact that if it's a grinding SC, dancers don't want to feel penises through the pants of the customers.

Maybe this has been mentioned in the thread already (maybe even by me long ago lol), but I've noticed most of the dancers in my regular club carry a little towel with them. They use this to sit on when they are sitting with a customer at his table, I suppose, to avoid direct bare skin or underwear contact with a possibly filthy chair cushion. The towel is left on the seat when they go to the stage/washroom/bar or whatever, to show the other dancers that they are there with that customer. They also put the towel on the customer's lap when they do their lapdances as a kind of little two-way safety barrier.

I would think using a towel like this pretty much trumps the undesirable qualities of sweatpants, or any other kind of clothing. The dancer simply picks out the precise texture, thickness, size and appearance of the fabric she wishes to dance on every time.

gracieS
10-05-2008, 09:58 AM
In the club I waitress at we don't have towels...

yoda57us
10-05-2008, 11:03 AM
Happy Birthday to this, my favorite thread in CC of all time!

:party: :drink: :drum: :worship:


OK, I'm a couple of days late, been busy....

barkingowl1
10-05-2008, 12:11 PM
At the club I go to suits are there to eat lunch & maybe chat a bit with the dancers, but from what I've seen they never seem to be interested in the ladies. They devote more attention to the twin TVs on either side of the stage. Then again I'm not there to pay attention to the customers.

As for sweatpants, well I don't own any. Shorts, on the other hand, I have in abundance.

MichelleJade
10-05-2008, 02:36 PM
Ugh. It was dark (duh, strip club) and I thought this guy was wearing normal shorts. It was worse than sweatpants. He was wearing that Under-Armour stuff with no underwear. Like, the thinnest material out there. I went to grind on him, and I got right back up, and spent the rest of the air dance feeling rather nauceous. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....

yoda57us
10-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Ugh. It was dark (duh, strip club) and I thought this guy was wearing normal shorts. It was worse than sweatpants. He was wearing that Under-Armour stuff with no underwear. Like, the thinnest material out there. I went to grind on him, and I got right back up, and spent the rest of the air dance feeling rather nauceous. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....

OK, even I agree that is disgusting. There used to be a guy on the Providence SCL and TUSCL boards who bragged about wearing mesh basketball shorts and no underwear as well.

AudreyLeigh
10-05-2008, 02:55 PM
We had a sweatpants boner man at the club Friday night and I asked him if hed ever heard of "SW". He looked confused. I just giggled and walked away. hehehe

Golden_Rule
10-05-2008, 08:27 PM
I don't want to have a full-fledged debate with you, okay? For fuck's sake, I'm over it.



You can't say you are over it because I said it first, so there! :P

Truly sorry. It's just the retort above just sounded so sort of "you can't fire me, I quit" that I had to respond as I did. :)

[a sense of humor is critical]

wishing well...

Golden_Rule
10-05-2008, 08:46 PM
In the club I waitress at we don't have towels...

Maybe you should start a trend.

Golden_Rule
10-05-2008, 08:48 PM
In Paterson/Newark NJ clubs sweatpants don't work, they don't have a zipper. :party:

In a lot of the clubs in Paterson, Irvington and Newark I would think the best thing to be wearing is a body condom [times three layers]. In most of those places even the barstools are supporting new forms of DNA not yet known to science.

I heard of a guy who walked into Vic's one day and had the goo on the floor eat the cement that held the sole of his shoe to the upper. Foot fell right out of his tennies. :)

Another time some guy sitting on the seat in that closet they use as a "VIP" in Guys pulled his tousers [not sweat pants, at least not the way I heard it] down to his ankles and got a rash on the base of his balls and his backside that his doctor still hasn't figured out how to treat. :)

Golden_Rule
10-05-2008, 08:56 PM
At any rate, my entire point in contributing to this thread since the start is that it is ridiculous to let one single article of perfectly acceptable clothing determine if a guy is a good customer or a bad one. I spend a lot of money on girls who treat me well. I never have trouble finding girls willing to do that and they have never said one word about what I was wearing that wasn't complimentary.

Ditto. Honto. Likewise.

Sophia_Starina
10-05-2008, 10:04 PM
Happy Birthday to this, my favorite thread in CC of all time!

:party: :drink: :drum: :worship:


OK, I'm a couple of days late, been busy....

Thank you, thank you! :P Long live the sweatpants thread!