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Jenny
10-06-2007, 06:22 AM
Well, see, the thing is, I rent. So housework is all I have for you. I am perfectly willing to deliver on my promise of a loonie if you send me an address.
OK Jenny,

Here's my post, I'll take my shiny Canadian dollar now. I will pass on the clothes folding as I am a consenting adult and fully capable of deciding what I will and won't do regardless of your expectations. I do however like to do nice things for people so I'm not much for laundry but I do like to fix things around the house and do outside work. If you need something like that done I'll be happy to do it for you, no striings, no money nothing except it makes me feel good to do nice things that I choose to for people.

I had to come out of retirement for the Canadian dollar. This will now be my last post unless someone else wants to offer me money to post:)

Take-care,

jsmythe23
10-06-2007, 08:53 AM
I find this kind of interesting, I'll pay you a dollar for another post Arctic. Hope you don't mind if it's US:)

mdiver
10-06-2007, 11:30 AM
I think arctic717 may have meant to say something along these lines.

Airfare to South America $700

Nice Hotel for 7 days $675

Food, drinks, a tour of the city, cover charges, and 13 full service sessions with hot south american women (no crack whores) $1,900

Not having to deal with U.S. women priceless. Try getting that deal here at home ;D .

Katrine
10-06-2007, 01:03 PM
I think arctic717 may have meant to say something along these lines.

Airfare to South America $700

Nice Hotel for 7 days $675

Food, drinks, a tour of the city, cover charges, and 13 full service sessions with hot south american women (no crack whores) $1,900

Not having to deal with U.S. women priceless. Try getting that deal here at home ;D .

Hmmmmm, I'd be down with that, although 13 sessions? Is that the equivalent of 13 orgasms? In 7 days? Can it only be with 2-3 women?

Either way, I'm sold. But I also want to see Machu Pichu, dammit!

arctic717
10-06-2007, 04:37 PM
Thanks for the offer to send the dollar Jenny, no charge, I would though like to respond to your previous post. Jsmythe, thanks too for the offer, this one is on the house. I did this on the plane in Word, so the previous comments are in bold. Be forewarned, it's long.



Oh. Nice. So their physical integrity is compromised and the second an american tourist gives them an STD they are out of a job anyway. Sweet deal.

American tourists are a small part of their clientele, it’s primarily locals and foreign business people. Safe sex is also practiced to the extreme. These are not naïve poor local girls easily taken advantage of. They are professional prostitutes who travel from Colombia for the express purpose of working in these establishments. Many even go to the trouble to arrange phony marriages to anonymous locals to avoid visa hassles. So please be aware by and large we’re not dealing with little miss innocents here.

No. You want to pay a girl $75 dollars to fuck you and do your dishes and act like she loves you. Sure you're not a whoremonger who wants a play-time wife.

Not quite, First off I do a mix of dating regular girls down there and go to the SC’s and other venues where the pro’s are. I would say less than 1/3 of my interactions with girls are with prostitutes, so “whoremonger”, may be a bit harsh. Second, I will gladly pay for sex, I will not pay for company. If they come to my apartment the standard agreement is whatever amount of money for 1 hour of sex. After that they are free to leave or stay, whichever they choose. Many leave, some stay a few hours, some stay all night. Some take it on themselves to do the dishes or offer to make a snack for me, others sit and watch tv or relax and do nothing. I never, never ask them or insinuate in any way that they should do any type of cleaning or cooking, that is completely on them. There have been many repeats and they know that there is no extra money for staying longer or doing stuff around the house, yet they choose to.

Well thank god you are here. Because latin girls are all kept deep in the jungle. It's not like there are any just walking around out there. We ALL know girls from Cuba, Mexico and South America. For crying out loud - stripclubs are like the second coming of latina girls.


Well, if that’s the case then you should know that they aren’t that submissive and “crawl around and kiss your feet”, why would you make that statement?.

Oh, you're so naive. It's cute - it is. Don't let anyone tell you any different. You can't possibly imagine that providers of sex tourism actually LIKE you guys? No. There is actually an inverse relationship in how much they need your money and how much they hate you (just as a baseline, of course). It's also hopelessly cute that you want to take your spoiled, self-centered, materialistic life, convert it into dollars and go and scatter them like largesse amongst the global poor and then rhapsody about how they aren't concerned with money. But you know. They say sex-tourism is the new colonialism. Good to know that you are doing your part. And then, of course, you complain that the exact disparate buying power that enables you to do this doesn't work back in the states. Like surprise surprise - the dollar that purchases so much in Columbia (after all, they can buy houses after working 10 months) doesn't purchase the same amount in the states. Which is of course why you have so many of them to spend in Columbia in the first place. Thank god you're here, Arctic. I was so bored with threads about "should I see other strippers?"

I can assure you I’m not naïve, as mentioned I’ve spent 12 years in the US adult entertainment business and have been involved quite in depth with Latin America and its women for the last 15 years. Please re-read all my posts and show one example of where I said I think they “Like” me or us. To me it’s a transaction, an exchange of money for a service. That is their business and the service they choose to provide, I choose to use that service and compensate them for it. Where does them liking me fit in? does my mechanic have to like me?, my barber? Etc. It’s nice if they do and is a bonus, but that’s not my goal or theirs in the interaction. I would have to say I don’t think too many of them “hate” me, I am very pleasant to be with, treat them well and around 8 out of 10 times there is a lot of joking around, laughing and affection that is not necessary, expected or in any way included in the price. There are occasions where one of the pro girls will call and ask to see me on the side, no fee, no business just fun. If you think I am lying, exaggerating or delusional and you or someone you know can speak Spanish I would be happy to give you there cell phone numbers for you to ask yourself.

Also, I am not a sex tourist, my business takes me to Latin America 8-10 times per year for 5-30 days at a time, roughly have the year. I have never taken a trip just to get laid. If I am on a trip and it’s available that’s a perk. Every few years I will take a trip to Brazil to party, including a fair amount of sex, but that is not sole or primary reason for the trip. The girls I’m referring to are not poor, there are several of them here that drive $80,000 BMW’s. I don’t think you know me well enough to say that I am spoiled and self-centered, in fact if you did know me better you would probably think the opposite. I never complained about what my dollars could by in the states, I do think prices area little out of control in the markets that I frequent, ( N.Y., Miami, Vegas) but my complaint all along has been to pay those amounts and on top of it get treated rudely and/or with absolutely no gratitude. As I mentioned, I’m not putting anyone or anything down. If you can charge it and don’t mind paying it, go for it. It just no longer works for me and several of my friends.

Um, yeah. But even assuming that your prices are accurate, most guys just want to drop into a strip club casually or go on a Saturday night. Very few even want to make it a 3 day excursion. But fine by me if you do.

As mentioned, I’m there often anyway but my friends will now forgo the US SC’s and with the money saved have a vacation every couple of months. It’s gotten to where it’s just not enjoyable to us anymore. For the people that love it more power to you, have a blast!.

Really? You sound a little delusional.

Please tell me in what way or with what facts I am delusional?.

No, honey. You want the woman to ACT comfortable in the situation. Her actual comfort is irrelevant to you.


How could you possibly ascertain that I think that?. It’s extremely important to me that she’s comfortable. There are alot of girls doing this down here. I have never once approached a girl. I wait for them to ask me, usually they will ask if I want to go in the back, if I ask them they have every right to refuse with no ramifications. I’ve seen many girls refuse for a variety of reasons. If they are the slightest bit uncomfortable I will go without or find someone else who is comfortable.




Like having her do a little housekeeping after the fucking? Sounds VERY respectful. Look. Sex tourism is inherently disrespectful. Fetishizing other races is inherently disrespectful. Sitting here describing "what latin girls are like" with no sense of difference or individuality is inherently disrespectful. You, and guys like you, don't even know what respect is. And that's fine - they want your money, not your respect. But in the name of the whole "I'm not under any delusions" thing - yes you are. You get cheap hookers, and are trying to glamourize it into a cross-cultural experience


As mentioned if they do the housekeeping it’s because they want to, I think it’s real great but there is no bonus or penalty if they do or don’t. That’s my whole point, they do like or at least don’t mind doing that, that’s how they were raised. It’s not just Latins my mother and grandmother were raised the same way. They feel good and get self-satisfaction doing that. How on Gods green earth is that disrespectful?.

How is sex tourism disrespectful?. These places are already in place for the local populations, they are not their as a result of the sex tourist. All the sex tourist is doing is increasing the sex workers business and income. If a bunch of guys go on a bachelor party to go to Vegas to go to SC’s, is that bad thing?. Prostitution has been demonized in the US but the fact is it is legal, regulated and accepted in most of the world and has been for THOUSANDS of years. The biggest problem with the sex business is white slavery and human trafficking. It’s the places like the US where prostitution is illegal that these crimes are the worst and most prevalent. Places with legalized and regulated prostitution are able to curb and limit these problems much efficiently.

As for describing what Latin girls are like and as a group being disrespectful, go down there and ask them how they are, most will be very proud to tell you that they are very similar to the way I’ve been describing them. Of course there are a lot of exceptions on both sides of the equation, but by and large those generalities are a reality. That’s the way cultures evolve. I am very respectful and fascinated by it and much prefer it to US culture. Before you keep referring to me as deluded, I have to ask how much time you’ve spent in Latin America and how many of these women you know?. I have no problem and even enjoy responding to your comments and accusations, I’d just like to know what your base of reference is in making them.

miabella
10-06-2007, 04:53 PM
dude, the fact that you give repeat business to girls who clean your house= more money for them. also, most of the rest of what you said still indicates you think you're specially liked. 'oh she laughs at my jokes and I didn't explicitly pay her to do so! that means she enjoys my company for its own sake!'

also, the fact that you never kick the girls out who stay all night and so forth. passive acceptance is implicit agreement. sex is complicated enough, especially with moneys involved, and to behave as though your regular, steady money itself is not a reason a girl might stay all night at a nice apartment and watch tv or clean after providing agreed-upon paid sex is kinda naive. or wilfully misleading yourself.

you're like the guys who are ok enough to get drinks from in the club, and who think they are special friends of the dancers. since, you know, dancers laugh at their jokes too and weren't paid explicitly to do so.

you are not the first, nor will you be the last guy to be convinced foreign women 'like' you better than american women and 'really know how to treat a man'.

mdiver
10-06-2007, 05:11 PM
dude, the fact that you give repeat business to girls who clean your house= more money for them. also, most of the rest of what you said still indicates you think you're specially liked. 'oh she laughs at my jokes and I didn't explicitly pay her to do so! that means she enjoys my company for its own sake!'

also, the fact that you never kick the girls out who stay all night and so forth. passive acceptance is implicit agreement. sex is complicated enough, especially with moneys involved, and to behave as though your regular, steady money itself is not a reason a girl might stay all night at a nice apartment and watch tv or clean after providing agreed-upon paid sex is kinda naive. or wilfully misleading yourself.

you're like the guys who are ok enough to get drinks from in the club, and who think they are special friends of the dancers. since, you know, dancers laugh at their jokes too and weren't paid explicitly to do so.

you are not the first, nor will you be the last guy to be convinced foreign women 'like' you better than american women and 'really know how to treat a man'.

There is no reason for you to get your thong all in a bunch, look everything is getting out sourced these days, including american women:) .

arctic717
10-06-2007, 05:53 PM
Ok, let's try this again. BTW, I'm not trying to convince you any of these girls like me or love what they are doing. I'm just trying to get you to realize the possibility that sometimes on the most rarest of occasions, it is very pleasant for both parties and it goes beyond the business end. Has a stripper ever been attracted to a customer and have it evolve to something non business outside the club?, do you think that ever happens????. Maybe just maybe it happens in this environment to.



dude, the fact that you give repeat business to girls who clean your house= more money for them. also, most of the rest of what you said still indicates you think you're specially liked. 'oh she laughs at my jokes and I didn't explicitly pay her to do so! that means she enjoys my company for its own sake!'



The ones that leave after the hour often get repeat business too.


also, the fact that you never kick the girls out who stay all night and so forth. passive acceptance is implicit agreement. sex is complicated enough, especially with moneys involved, and to behave as though your regular, steady money itself is not a reason a girl might stay all night at a nice apartment and watch tv or clean after providing agreed-upon paid sex is kinda naive. or wilfully misleading yourself.

Most of their apartments are as nice as mine. There is no shortage of clients here, they get $80 from me for the hour of sex. The ones that decide to stay get nothing extra. If they chose they could go out and get more clients, or get an all night client which goes for around $200-$250 per night. Many do that, many go home after the hour and rest but SOME for whatever reason stay, and they don't make one extra dime for doing that. They know they can leave and it won't have any impact on getting invited back, and even if they don't get invited back there are plenty of other clients that will pick up the slack. Sometimes while they're here afterwards, they get a call from a client who wants to see them. Sometimes they leave and go to make more money and sometimes they stay and forgo the work. What do you want me to tell you, that is what happens. It doesn't happen with all or even most, but sometimes you click with someone and they click with you. I'm sure you'll figure plenty of alterior motives because there is no way deep down that they can't hate me, but those are the honest to God facts. As I've mentioned if you're curious enough or want to call my bluff I'll give you their phone numbers and you can ask them how they feel.



you're like the guys who are ok enough to get drinks from in the club, and who think they are special friends of the dancers. since, you know, dancers laugh at their jokes too and weren't paid explicitly to do so.



Sorry, no. I was the guy who made fun of those guys who tried to get involved of all the girls dramas and be the friend to try to get in their pants. I bounced, managed and owned SC's for a long time, I dated dozens of dancers. I was the guy who got into thier pants because I knew the secret weapon to scoring strippers. Besided being staff/management of course.



you are not the first, nor will you be the last guy to be convinced foreign women 'like' you better than american women and 'really know how to treat a man'.


You crack me up. you don't know anything about me and you don't know anything about the scene in South America and yet you fire away these condescending attacks. I have no problem with American girls liking me, I have a very active love life in US and SA, most of it with non-pro's. The only problem that I have with any of my sensual interactions is the attitude of the girls I meet in SC's in my area; and that problems been solved.

miabella
10-06-2007, 06:44 PM
a lot of american strippers are nothing like the ones you describe, and yet you remain convinced that the only possible solution is to travel to a cheaper country at non-trivial expense because there and only there do women live who will smile at you in a way you believe to be more authentic.

the sheer amount of your 'explaining' and 'clarifying' makes things pretty clear, don't worry.

arctic717
10-06-2007, 07:06 PM
Mia, are you even reading my posts?

1.

a lot of american strippers are nothing like the ones you describe


my post yesterday:


I know a vast majority of the posters here aren't like that, but there are quite a few who are in my area and that's been my common experience in the last few years.



2.
yet you remain convinced that the only possible solution is to travel to a cheaper country at non-trivial expense

my post earlier today:

my business takes me to Latin America 8-10 times per year for 5-30 days at a time, roughly have the year. I have never taken a trip just to get laid. If I am on a trip and it’s available that’s a perk.

3.

because there and only there do women live who will smile at you in a way you believe to be more authentic


my post earlier today:


I have no problem with American girls liking me, I have a very active love like in US and SA, most of it with non-pro's

Sophia_Starina
10-07-2007, 02:48 AM
Heck yeah! Fucking chicks at bargain basement rates in a third-world country must be awesome!

xdamage
10-07-2007, 08:52 AM
Ok, let's try this again. BTW, I'm not trying to convince you any of these girls like me or love what they are doing. I'm just trying to get you to realize the possibility that sometimes on the most rarest of occasions, it is very pleasant for both parties and it goes beyond the business end. Has a stripper ever been attracted to a customer and have it evolve to something non business outside the club?, do you think that ever happens????. Maybe just maybe it happens in this environment to.


It does happen, as we've seen some dancers state it's happened to them (i.e., a customer turned BF), but it also happens that the vast majority of customers believe it's happened to them. Simply put, until/if she is stating it's a pleasant experience for her, in a non-artificial (read as not paid for) setting, or until/if you are not being charged, the reasonable assumption is that you're confusing what you want to believe (and what she actively wanting you to believe) with reality.

yoda57us
10-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Ok, let's try this again. BTW, I'm not trying to convince you any of these girls like me or love what they are doing. I'm just trying to get you to realize the possibility that sometimes on the most rarest of occasions, it is very pleasant for both parties and it goes beyond the business end. Has a stripper ever been attracted to a customer and have it evolve to something non business outside the club?, do you think that ever happens????. Maybe just maybe it happens in this environment to.


Well, OK, but that's not anywhere near the way you started this thread. So if by "let's try this again" you mean let's not condemn every stripper north of Mexico City as a cold hearted money grubbing bitch then I guess I can agree with your above statement....but that's not what you said 61 posts ago.

Btw, when you completely stop paying them to dance/boink/clean your house/whatever, that is when it has gone "beyond the business end" and not before. I hooker with a smile is still a hooker, even if she likes you it's still a business transaction....but of course you know that...

doc-catfish
10-07-2007, 10:10 AM
They truly only love you when they shop for your formal wear.

"You didn't want a blowjob so the least I could do is get you a tie."
- Mira Sorvino in Mighty Aphrodite.

Phil-W
10-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Has a stripper ever been attracted to a customer and have it evolve to something non business outside the club?, do you think that ever happens????. Maybe just maybe it happens in this environment to.

Yep - on the other hand (from my experience) they no longer want you to take an interest in them at work - e.g. you are no longer a customer to them.

If you're still paying, you're still a customer - end of story.


SOME for whatever reason stay, and they don't make one extra dime for doing that.

Trying to increase the odds of repeat business? In any business, it's easier to get a repeat order from an existing customer than to develop a new one.


but sometimes you click with someone and they click with you. I'm sure you'll figure plenty of alterior motives because there is no way deep down that they can't hate me, but those are the honest to God facts.

Dude, if you clicked with them, you still wouldn't be paying.


As I've mentioned if you're curious enough or want to call my bluff I'll give you their phone numbers and you can ask them how they feel.

And would that be their business or their personal number? Long odds you've got their work number.


I was the guy who got into thier pants because I knew the secret weapon to scoring strippers. Besided being staff/management of course.

Do tell - it'll be interesting to compare it with the websites that promise "101 secrets to dating a stripper"


I have a very active love life in US and SA, most of it with non-pro's.

So if you have a very active love life, why do you need the pro's?

Phil.

mr_punk
10-07-2007, 02:20 PM
BTW, I'm not trying to convince you any of these girls like me or love what they are doing.fair enough. i'll take you at your word.

I'm just trying to get you to realize the possibility that sometimes on the most rarest of occasions, it is very pleasant for both parties and it goes beyond the business end. Has a stripper ever been attracted to a customer and have it evolve to something non business outside the club?, do you think that ever happens????. Maybe just maybe it happens in this environment to.oops, how disappointing. you just jumped the shark in record time. for the most part, your attitude and behavior isn't out of line with most, if not all sc customer. which isn't a bad thing. it's just a blatant truth of the sex industry and that is the way it should be. however, when PLs begin to babble about the rare "connection" between customer and sex worker...watch out! odds are the man is a fool and the woman is still nothing more than a stripper/whore.

arctic717
10-07-2007, 02:41 PM
Phil,



Yep - on the other hand (from my experience) they no longer want you to take an interest in them at work - e.g. you are no longer a customer to them.

If you're still paying, you're still a customer - end of story.



Never once said or thought I wasn't a customer. Just defending myself from the posts saying these girls hated me. There are several girls who I've stopped paying and it's purely social. I didn't post that previously because I thought for sure no one would believe me. With the pro's I prefer to pay them, no jelousy or commitment issues.


Trying to increase the odds of repeat business? In any business, it's easier to get a repeat order from an existing customer than to develop a new one.


There is no shortage of business, the same dynamic also happens when I go to other countries for a trip, they know I won't be back and they still behave the same.


Dude, if you clicked with them, you still wouldn't be paying.
They are pro's, that's why I'm with them. I also go out with regular girls who I don't pay. The pro's I like cause you can call anytime day or night, no fuss or muss. When your done they don't ask when you're going to call them or when they'll see you again.


And would that be their business or their personal number? Long odds you've got their work number.

Cell phone number, the girls pro and no pro are much more friendly and open here, there is a 7-1 girl to guy ration in the city that I am in. The girls are very welcoming to male attention. As long as you don't look like a serial killer you can approach almost any girl on the street, if they're single (most are) and if you ask the right way she'll give you her cell number.


Do tell - it'll be interesting to compare it with the websites that promise "101 secrets to dating a stripper"

I will pm it to you.



So if you have a very active love life, why do you need the pro's?


I'm single, social and I love women. I date regular girls in the states and then when I'm in SA I date regular girls and throw some pro's into the mix. For example after dinner and the casino we'll go to a regular nightclub hang out dance, socialize maybe meet someone nice and get a number. Then if we're in the mood we head out to a SC or massage parlor (whorehouse). The girls are from 8-10's in the best places we go and there is absolutely no hassle. We don't have any pressure to get the regular girl to go home with us that night because if we want action we get it afterwards. Then we can be nice and relaxed with the regular girl and if it happens it happens, no pressure on anyone.

Also price wise it's not much different if you take the regular girl out for dinner and dancing and drinks you going spend around $70-$100 down here. The thing with the pro's is that there are so many of them and alot are really beautiful and they're available that minute with no fuss or muss. Some nights you may want to go out with a new regular girl you met, some nights you might want a regular girl you already know and are comfortable with, some nights you might want a pro you know and like and some nights you may want a beautiful pro you never met before.

mdiver
10-07-2007, 03:03 PM
Phil,



Never once said or thought I wasn't a customer. Just defending myself from the posts saying these girls hated me. There are several girls who I've stopped paying and it's purely social. I didn't post that previously because I thought for sure no one would believe me. With the pro's I prefer to pay them, no jelousy or commitment issues.



There is no shortage of business, the same dynamic also happens when I go to other countries for a trip, they know I won't be back and they still behave the same.


They are pro's, that's why I'm with them. I also go out with regular girls who I don't pay. The pro's I like cause you can call anytime day or night, no fuss or muss. When your done they don't ask when you're going to call them or when they'll see you again.


Cell phone number, the girls pro and no pro are much more friendly and open here, there is a 7-1 girl to guy ration in the city that I am in. The girls are very welcoming to male attention. As long as you don't look like a serial killer you can approach almost any girl on the street, if they're single (most are) and if you ask the right way she'll give you her cell number.


I will pm it to you.



I'm single, social and I love women. I date regular girls in the states and then when I'm in SA I date regular girls and throw some pro's into the mix. For example after dinner and the casino we'll go to a regular nightclub hang out dance, socialize maybe meet someone nice and get a number. Then if we're in the mood we head out to a SC or massage parlor (whorehouse). The girls are from 8-10's in the best places we go and there is absolutely no hassle. We don't have any pressure to get the regular girl to go home with us that night because if we want action we get it afterwards. Then we can be nice and relaxed with the regular girl and if it happens it happens, no pressure on anyone.

Also price wise it's not much different if you take the regular girl out for dinner and dancing and drinks you going spend around $70-$100 down here. The thing with the pro's is that there are so many of them and alot are really beautiful and they're available that minute with no fuss or muss. Some nights you may want to go out with a new regular girl you met, some nights you might want a regular girl you already know and are comfortable with, some nights you might want a pro you know and like and some nights you may want a beautiful pro you never met before.

I would not worry about what these guys have to say, I would bet your PPD (pussy per dollar ratio) is way better then theirs.:beer:

Phil-W
10-07-2007, 03:17 PM
Phil,

Never once said or thought I wasn't a customer. Just defending myself from the posts saying these girls hated me...<Snipped>... some nights you might want a regular girl you already know and are comfortable with, some nights you might want a pro you know and like and some nights you may want a beautiful pro you never met before.

I think what you're saying is you have a sex addiction - that you have a craving for sex that you need to satisfy. Accordingly, you use a mixture of regulars and pro's to fill your needs.

In which case, the debate is not about whether strippers in the USA give a better or worse service than strippers in South America, but whether the pros in South America satisfy your needs better.

I'm guessing the girls in SA suit you better because they're providing a GFE along with the sex, whereas the American pro's are more nakedly commercial (no pun intended).

I'm also guessing that you need for sex is more a physical need than an emotional one - it would be difficult to develop strong feelings of affection for each and every one of the large number of sexual partners you appear to have.

Sorry about the amateur pyschoanalysis (which could be completely off target), but I feel that I now understand the underlying theme to your posts.

Phil.

arctic717
10-07-2007, 03:28 PM
Sorry about the amateur pyschoanalysis (which could be completely off target), but I feel that I now understand the underlying theme to your posts.



If I do have a sex addiction I'm Ok with it. I don't know if I do or don't, I love beautiful women, love sex and like to have lots of it though. As far as emotional contact, I go through phases. Sometimes I'll be very happy in a relationship and will usually never stray, other times I prefer to be single and have variety. I do like to max things out though, if in a relationship I like to make it as special as possible and go out of my way to make the other person happy. If I'm single I like to have alot of fun, variety and good experiences.

Corgan
10-07-2007, 09:38 PM
you're addicted to something, if you're oh so happily looking at spending over 1k for a latin suckjob. ;)

evan_essence
10-07-2007, 10:15 PM
Four lessons I've learned from this thread.

First, if a guy can convince his boss that the company should pay for trips to South America, he can go to a legal brothel and buy sex from a sex worker there for a cheaper total bill than staying in America and buying lap dances from a sex worker in a strip club.

Second, a girl in South America can sell a sexual encounter, overnight stay and light housecleaning duties for $80 a night ($29,200 per year with no time off) and still come out well enough financially to afford an $80,000 BMW, proving she's not economically downtrodden.

Third, if you overlook their hot latina tempers, those South American girls are nicer to men than us American beotches. That is, when they're in their native country. Perhaps not so much for the ones who've immigrated to the USA.

Fourth, never believe a guy when he says it's his last post.

-Ev

Wolverine
10-08-2007, 01:59 AM
I have friends that frequently would head down to South America for a little latin lovin'. They come back with scrap books of pictures of all the girls they had fun with. Care to share? ;)

I was watching Neustra Belleza Mexico 2007 last night thinking, "Damn, those girls are hot." Almost wish they were strippers because you know, guys like me can't really relate to real women like we can to strippers. At least I have a shot of having sex with a stripper. :D Latinas rock!

yoda57us
10-08-2007, 03:58 AM
never believe a guy when he says it's his last post.

-Ev

Sad but true...

mr_punk
10-08-2007, 05:55 AM
I think what you're saying is you have a sex addiction - that you have a craving for sex that you need to satisfy. Accordingly, you use a mixture of regulars and pro's to fill your needs.a sexual addiction? that's effing brilliant, Phil. is that like your addiction to giving dancers lifts? BTW, you're exactly the kind of person jeff is looking for to join his support team. it's a good thing you don't use your powers for evil. otherwise, i'm sure you can track bianca down just by reading the body language from her videos.

Jenny
10-08-2007, 07:10 AM
American tourists are a small part of their clientele, it’s primarily locals and foreign business people. Safe sex is also practiced to the extreme. These are not naïve poor local girls easily taken advantage of. They are professional prostitutes who travel from Colombia for the express purpose of working in these establishments. Many even go to the trouble to arrange phony marriages to anonymous locals to avoid visa hassles. So please be aware by and large we’re not dealing with little miss innocents here.
Well, I doubted they would be. They are prostitutes. But I think you're being a little ... naive if you really think that women are never... what's the word? Oh, yeah "trafficked" in the international sex trade.


Not quite, First off I do a mix of dating regular girls down there and go to the SC’s and other venues where the pro’s are. I would say less than 1/3 of my interactions with girls are with prostitutes, so “whoremonger”, may be a bit harsh.
Dude - you can be yourself here. Nobody cares if you see prostitutes. Save the excuses for your mother.

Second, I will gladly pay for sex, I will not pay for company. If they come to my apartment the standard agreement is whatever amount of money for 1 hour of sex. After that they are free to leave or stay, whichever they choose. Many leave, some stay a few hours, some stay all night. Some take it on themselves to do the dishes or offer to make a snack for me, others sit and watch tv or relax and do nothing. I never, never ask them or insinuate in any way that they should do any type of cleaning or cooking, that is completely on them. There have been many repeats and they know that there is no extra money for staying longer or doing stuff around the house, yet they choose to.

Hmm. This is absurd when the exact basis of your thread is how you like paying them so much more because of the accoutrement that comes with the sex. I mean you made a post talking about how much better the service is because they do your dishes before and your laundry after fucking you. And seriously- you are ACTUALLY trying to tell me that you think these girls are doing your cooking and laundry sheerly for the joy of it? Don't be absurd.


Well, if that’s the case then you should know that they aren’t that submissive and “crawl around and kiss your feet”, why would you make that statement?.
Because I know that women who depend on sex tourism... you know, depend on sex tourism and are frequently relying on customers racist stereotypes of them? And of course, because I know perfectly well that latin girls have a variety of characteristics and personalities and life experiences and cannot be, because of the fact that they are latin, simply be determined to act a certain way. You know. The whole "Not racist" and "Not paying girls to be nice to me and act in a way that I find appealing" thing.


I can assure you I’m not naïve, as mentioned I’ve spent 12 years in the US adult entertainment business and have been involved quite in depth with Latin America and its women for the last 15 years.
And yet. Here you are saying that South American sex workers are better than American ones because they love doing your laundry - not just for money.

Please re-read all my posts and show one example of where I said I think they “Like” me or us. To me it’s a transaction, an exchange of money for a service. That is their business and the service they choose to provide, I choose to use that service and compensate them for it. Where does them liking me fit in? does my mechanic have to like me?, my barber? Etc. It’s nice if they do and is a bonus, but that’s not my goal or theirs in the interaction.

Um - you're whole premise from beginning to end has been that they provide, not even a betterr GFE, but a freaking "housewife" experience. Spare me.


I would have to say I don’t think too many of them “hate” me, I am very pleasant to be with,
How do you know that? I'm just wondering. I mean very few people sit around thinking that they are boring scum. I know that I CAN be pleasant to be with because I make my living being charming. You pay people to charm you. How do you get "pleasant to be with"?


treat them well and around 8 out of 10 times there is a lot of joking around, laughing and affection that is not necessary, expected or in any way included in the price.
Of course it's included in the price. Same as most guys here don't pay extra for charm, but they won't buy a dance from a girl who just say "wanna dance" and doesn't charm them. Acting affectionate, sweet, nice and engaging the guy is ALWAYS (almost) part of the deal. If you actually spent years in the adult entertainment industry - you would know that. Now, I'm not saying that you are lying. I'm just saying... that it sounds made up, is all.


There are occasions where one of the pro girls will call and ask to see me on the side, no fee, no business just fun. If you think I am lying, exaggerating or delusional and you or someone you know can speak Spanish I would be happy to give you there cell phone numbers for you to ask yourself.
Really? You would give out this woman's phone number to a stranger on the internet? Wow. You sound like a guy who is just... really pleasant to be with.


Also, I am not a sex tourist, my business takes me to Latin America 8-10 times per year for 5-30 days at a time, roughly have the year. I have never taken a trip just to get laid.
What are you talking about? You just laid out the cost of traveling just to get laid. You're entire thread here is about how you are taking planes down to central and south america to get laid rather to go to strip clubs in the states. That is what we are all responding to. Are you changing your mind? Has our browbeating "got" to you? You can't just go around arranging your life according to what strangers on a stripper message board say to you, you know. Be strong in your convictions.


I don’t think you know me well enough to say that I am spoiled and self-centered, in fact if you did know me better you would probably think the opposite.
But people always think that. And at least some of them are wrong. So I don't think your self-assessment speaks above the sex-trade-colonialism that we've all been discussing.


As mentioned, I’m there often anyway but my friends will now forgo the US SC’s and with the money saved have a vacation every couple of months. It’s gotten to where it’s just not enjoyable to us anymore. For the people that love it more power to you, have a blast!.
Okay. Seriously. Fine.


Please tell me in what way or with what facts I am delusional?.
Well, - you know. All the backtracking that has been pointed out. All the "they really enjoy doing my chores, and money doesn't play into that at all". That stuff.


How could you possibly ascertain that I think that?.
Because how they act is in your purview of concern and control and how they feel is not?


As mentioned if they do the housekeeping it’s because they want to, I think it’s real great but there is no bonus or penalty if they do or don’t. That’s my whole point, they do like or at least don’t mind doing that, that’s how they were raised. It’s not just Latins my mother and grandmother were raised the same way. They feel good and get self-satisfaction doing that. How on Gods green earth is that disrespectful?.
Oh please. Your mother was raised to fuck guys for money and then clean up after them? This ^^^ is exactly the delusion I'm talking about. Doing your laundry does not make the little latin hookers feel good. Even sitting there pretending it does - no, really, she likes doing it - is disrespectful.

How is sex tourism disrespectful?. These places are already in place for the local populations, they are not their as a result of the sex tourist. All the sex tourist is doing is increasing the sex workers business and income. If a bunch of guys go on a bachelor party to go to Vegas to go to SC’s, is that bad thing?. Prostitution has been demonized in the US but the fact is it is legal, regulated and accepted in most of the world and has been for THOUSANDS of years.
I'm not in the United States, and I doubt there is much you could tell me about the history of prostitution. Prostitution is not illegal here either. I think what I said before about "sex tourism being the new colonialism" pretty much says it. Going to Vegas isn't sex tourism. I don't have a problem with prostitution - although I do have a problem with ignorant fellows who talk about "regulating" it. And I do kind of despise guys who fetishize other races and enjoy behaviour that is predicated on disparate buying power and cannot - for some reason, maybe because they really want to feel that the girls really LIKE him - admit that the disparate buying power is what causes the result they want in the first place.


It’s the places like the US where prostitution is illegal that these crimes are the worst and most prevalent. Places with legalized and regulated prostitution are able to curb and limit these problems much efficiently.
Oh for crying out loud. That is not true. It is just entirely false. These issues are NOT the most prevalent in the United States.


As for describing what Latin girls are like and as a group being disrespectful, go down there and ask them how they are, most will be very proud to tell you that they are very similar to the way I’ve been describing them.
Yeah - and if I told them the context I bet they would still be thrilled. Even more so if a customer paying to fetishize them wasn't around to hear or see their reaction. Dude - I see it every night. Guys talking to Asian girls, Latina girls and Black girls about why they prefer asian/latina/black girls to caucasian girls (and of course, I get the opposite too - "Thank god you don't have an accent! That's so unusual!") And they all smile and nod and agree to the cultural dissonance, and talk about how much better they are as lovers because of it. You cannot possibly think you are the first guy to come up with this "White women suck, I'm going to fetishize foreigners from now on" thing, can you?


That’s the way cultures evolve. I am very respectful and fascinated by it and much prefer it to US culture.
Yes. Because nothing is more respectful of a culture than paying a woman for sex and then having her DO YOUR LAUNDRY! That should be on a Gap tour, or something.


I have no problem and even enjoy responding to your comments and accusations, I’d just like to know what your base of reference is in making them.
Time I've spent in Latin America? None at all. Latin women I know - many. Many, many. More than I can conveniently count up in a given moment. And I know them from many arenas - fellows (that is, fellowship holders), exchange students, strippers, nannies, waitresses, professionals. Women who have been here for years, and women who speak laboured English (and difficulty in English should not be taken as synonymous with "poorly educated" - I speak no Spanish at all.) And none of them fit this "happy-hooker-housewife" motif you've got going here.[/FONT]

arctic717
10-08-2007, 07:18 AM
First, if a guy can convince his boss that the company should pay for trips to South America, he can go to a legal brothel and buy sex from a sex worker there for a cheaper total bill than staying in America and buying lap dances from a sex worker in a strip club.


No boss, it's my company. I set up shop here because the economy is one of the fastest growing in the world (8.9%) and there are awesome tax advantages for real-estate and business.



Second, a girl in South America can sell a sexual encounter, overnight stay and light housecleaning duties for $80 a night ($29,200 per year with no time off) and still come out well enough financially to afford an $80,000 BMW, proving she's not economically downtrodden.


That is not the norm, most often it will be $200-$300 for the night w/no housekeeping. Where I am is probably the most expensive for these activities in Latin America. There are a few girls that ask for $200 an hr. and get it sometimes. Also there is a small but growing group of needy Gringo's down here who overpay and overtip and give stupid amounts of money away. If that keeps up it will become just like the states.


Third, if you overlook their hot latina tempers, those South American girls are nicer to men than us American beotches. That is, when they're in their native country. Perhaps not so much for the ones who've immigrated to the USA.


Very true, they tend to get Americanized very quickly, once that happens they can sometimes out do the Americans in terms of expectaction and entitlement. Once again though not all US girls are like that nor Latins, in generalities though as experienced by me.


Fourth, never believe a guy when he says it's his last post.
Didn't know if the my posts were proper for this forum at first, after the Mods said it was OK as long as it pertained to SC's, also Jenny offered to pay me so I figured I'd try again. We are now however fairly far off the SC subject, I don't know if we should reign it in and get back towards that or if it's OK to continue. If anyone wants to pm that is OK.

arctic717
10-08-2007, 08:07 AM
Time I've spent in Latin America? None at all.


Jenny, I just realized I can no longer post to you. I was enjoying the discourse however it's now apparent to me that you have no idea what you're talking about and have no intention of opening your mind. You are way off on almost all of your assumptions and consistently try to give me such a narrow label of a sex tourist and a manipulative pervert. I think the problem is that you view me through the prism of a SC customer in the US and that I am some lonely desperate guy with no social skills and am stuck with my delusions. If so I have a news flash for you, not all guys are like that. While I worked and have spent time in SC's I've never been the desperate lonely guy that goes there alone because it's the only way he can interact with women, I've only ever gone with a group of friends. If you are curious enough and you care enough to find out, and will be or know someone in South Florida I will pm you contacts of my friends who are still working in SC's there and they verify any of my statments about myself and my experiences.

My time with Latin hookers is a small part of my life, I've never been with a US hooker. And yes, the US has by far the largest numbers of women trafficked for prostitution, check the stats. Many of the women trafficked there are afraid to go to the police because they are commiting a crime. Where I am in SA, the establishments have to have liscenses to operate, the girls sign contracts to work there, if there is any pimping or traficking the owner loses his liscense and is out of business. While the prostitution is legal pimping and traficking is not.

As for the whole laundry thing that you seem to have a problem with, even the regular girls offer to do that, and yes it makes them happy,they tell me so and I'm not paying them anything. When my Venezualan girl friend came to visit me in the US, she would be dissappointed if I insisted on going out to dinner because she would prefer to cook for me. If I go to their house and I notice that something is broke I offer to fix it. I don't do it to get something out of them or on some secret agenda but because I want to and I feel good afterwards.

Racial stereotypes usually exist because there was or is a kernal of truth to them. It doesn't include all people of a race but can be labled a generality. At one time did the Italians control most of the organized crime?, today are most 7-11 stores staffed by middle-easterners, are Jewish people very concerned with getting thier kids educated and into the legal and medical fields. The answer to all these questions is not always, but more so than any other group. BTW, from a previous post of yours, Columbia the country is spelled Colombia.

I do promotional events in my city and often work with Jack Daniels . When we hold casino events they send 3 or 4 of the Jack Daniel's girls as models. In the past when we worked with the US division, the girls would start asking about an hour before the event was over what time they could leave. When we started working with the Latin division the girls (most newly arrived from Colombia) would work the whole event and then help clean up and ask if there was anything else they could do to help. What was there motive?. It doesn't happen always and but 95 out of 100 American models ask to go early and 100 out of 100 will never ofter to clean up and 90 out of a 100 Colombian models will stay and help clean up. To what do you attribute that?. IF you want to see the Jack Daniel's Latin girls, go to and click on "Photo Gallery", they are the 1st and 3rd photo's on the right side.

The other fact is the Latin girls I'm friendly with often ask me if what they've heard about American girls is true, other American men are telling them their experiences and the Latin girls are incredulous when I say not all but a fair portion of them are like that. It's foriegn to them not to want to take care of the man or clean up or "do laundry". So as offensive as all that stuff is to you, they find just as offensive and can't believe a girl that wouldn't do those things. Why don't you try an experiment, there are a number of Latin girls on the Pink section, post a question and ask them about the male-female dynamic in their country of heritage. Remember my premise is that this is the way the Latin girls are raised and that it spills over into the relationship SOMETIMES even when a guy is paying for sex.

Well gang, I've enjoyed the posts and the interactions. I think it's senseless to go any further as unless you were to be here and see it for yourselves you will never believe me and we'll be in an endless cycle of arguing. If anyone wants to pm me and it's not the same tired old accusations etc. I will be happy to reply.

Best to all,

mr_punk
10-08-2007, 08:47 AM
That is not the norm, most often it will be $200-$300 for the night w/no housekeeping. Where I am is probably the most expensive for these activities in Latin America. There are a few girls that ask for $200 an hr. and get it sometimes. Also there is a small but growing group of needy Gringo's down here who overpay and overtip and give stupid amounts of money away. If that keeps up it will become just like the states.no housekeeping?! why those lazy biatches. will they still wax and buff the car? anyway, i guess PLs blowing the POP index is an international problem.

Didn't know if the my posts were proper for this forum at first, after the Mods said it was OK as long as it pertained to SC's, also Jenny offered to pay me so I figured I'd try again. We are now however fairly far off the SC subject, I don't know if we should reign it in and get back towards that or if it's OK to continue.no, you're still on topic. frankly, your posts are nothing unusual around here. i mean, you have sex workers behaving as if they're something other than an object of a man’s recreation. you have customers exalting the wonders of the rare personal connection he buys from a stripper with a probable history of mental health disorders. trust me, you fit in quite well around here.

Jenny
10-08-2007, 10:07 AM
Jenny, I just realized I can no longer post to you. I was enjoying the discourse however it's now apparent to me that you have no idea what you're talking about and have no intention of opening your mind.
This is like the battle cry of the rhetoric-cry baby. Those who object to the way you construct the world have "closed minds" and those who read what you say without the intended slant are "twisting your words". You poor thing. No wonder you prefer Latina girls.


Racial stereotypes usually exist because there was or is a kernal of truth to them.
Well shucks. Thank you for letting me - and all us - know that racial stereotypes are true. That will be very useful information in future human rights legislation. It's good to know. Tell me - what other stereotypes are true? Like, is it true, for example, that girls aren't good at math?


BTW, from a previous post of yours, Columbia the country is spelled Colombia.
Well. Thank you. I can see how that error vitiates everything I said.


The other fact is the Latin girls I'm friendly with often ask me if what they've heard about American girls is true, other American men are telling them their experiences and the Latin girls are incredulous when I say not all but a fair portion of them are like that.
Well then it's a good thing that you are down there, so that they can also benefit from your wisdom. "Racial stereotypes are true!" You should have a bumper sticker.


It's foriegn to them not to want to take care of the man or clean up or "do laundry". So as offensive as all that stuff is to you, they find just as offensive and can't believe a girl that wouldn't do those things. Why don't you try an experiment, there are a number of Latin girls on the Pink section, post a question and ask them about the male-female dynamic in their country of heritage. Remember my premise is that this is the way the Latin girls are raised and that it spills over into the relationship SOMETIMES even when a guy is paying for sex.
Dude - I know Latina girls. I know Latina girls outside the ridiculous, artificial construction of what you are talking about. I can guarantee you that none of the Latina girls who are in my city on fellowships, visas, or exchanges would take your "I'm honoured to do your laundry" things seriously. Oh and by the way - it's "foreign". Not "foriegn". Since we being so helpful and all.

miabella
10-08-2007, 10:10 AM
it just gets more and more hilarious. ' i rearranged my entire business life so that i could deduct my south america sex tourism on my taxes!', combined with the whining about 'stupid guys paying the girls too much'.

you are certainly a piece of work. of course the girls will ask breathlessly if americanas are 'that bad' and so forth. and of course you believe them, because you wish very much to.

anyhow.

arctic717
10-08-2007, 10:36 AM
i rearranged my entire business life so that i could deduct my south america sex tourism on my taxes!',


Once again as already stated, I arranged my business here because right now here is where the opportunities are. I'm a part time real estate investor, where I am the market is going up 25% a year, there is a 20 year tax abatement on property tax, the official currency is the US dollar, Donald Trump is doing a large project here www.trumpoceanclub.com , Johns Hopkins Medical is located here. My ROI on my propery rentals is through the roof. How is the US real estate market?. I would be here working even if there wasn't a single girl in the whole country. The fact that they are is a perk.

arctic717
10-08-2007, 10:42 AM
Dude - I know Latina girls. I know Latina girls outside the ridiculous, artificial construction of what you are talking about. I can guarantee you that none of the Latina girls who are in my city on fellowships, visas, or exchanges would take your "I'm honoured to do your laundry" things seriously. Oh and by the way - it's "foreign". Not "foriegn". Since we being so helpful and all


If they are immigrants here ask them how they were raised. Ask any Latin girl from the Pink side about the male female dynamic in their country of origin, there is currently a thread about growing up latin and how their mother would punish them, post or pm any of them. You've never been to Latin America, never dated a Latin American girl and yet you feel so qualified to say how they think and feel. Do some research and facts before you make your statements.

My correction about the spelling of Colombia was to show that maybe you are not all that familiar with what I'm talking about. Thanks for the correction my spellng error however.

miabella
10-08-2007, 11:09 AM
the fact that not every one of your latina pay for playpals does the gfe/housecleaning thing should tell you something, and that you cannot see that pretty well reveals the sort of guy you are, which we have all collectively determined from your original few posts.

now we're just sitting around being amused at your attempts to portray yourself as something other than what you are. or at least, i am.

mdiver
10-08-2007, 11:15 AM
I checked back through the tread and Arctic never said they washed his laundry, only dishes. I don't see what the big deal is, some of the women do his dishes so what.

The responses in this thread is just the result of feminism out of control in the U.S. not to mention the pussification of the American male.

Maybee I should book a trip to Colombia

Jenny
10-08-2007, 11:44 AM
If they are immigrants here ask them how they were raised. Ask any Latin girl from the Pink side about the male female dynamic in their country of origin, there is currently a thread about growing up latin and how their mother would punish them, post or pm any of them. You've never been to Latin America, never dated a Latin American girl and yet you feel so qualified to say how they think and feel. Do some research and facts before you make your statements.
Well. Gosh Arctic. We can't all be as academically rigorous as you, you know. Maybe you need to cut those of us whose research skills aren't as finely tuned in the whole "hiring South American prostitutes" thing a little break. I've never dated a Latin American girl; I have dated a Latino man, and the entire time we knew each other he never once mentioned how much his country women liked doing their john's dishes, and how housework was a deep satisfaction to them. He certainly noticed that they DID it - but not that they got the deep sense of accomplishment and enjoyment that you ascribe. Actually, he would have characterized their approach to these duties - and the general male exemption from them - as "resigned" or, for some "resentful". Further - the Latina women that I know aren't... you know... prostitutes trying to please a client. (although I look forward to telling a young nanny in my city that she shouldn't mind having her housecleaning duties extended because Latina women like doing household chores. I'll let you know what she says about that). So I feel perfectly comfortable taking their behaviour and their outlook over a North American sex tourist who is fetishizing a global underclass because "them white women are just too greedy".


My correction about the spelling of Colombia was to show that maybe you are not all that familiar with what I'm talking about. Thanks for the correction my spellng error however.
Or it could have been a spelling error. I mean, I'd be interested in where you've gleaned all this knowledge in the global sex trade that puts you in a position to evaluate whether I am familiar with what you are talking about - I mean, we've yet to establish that you are talking about anything other than women in poorer countries are grateful for your money, and you think Latinas like cleaning up after you, and that international sex workers "really like you" and aren't interested in money. I mean what international reports and comparisons have you looked to, what social science and legal journals have you consulted to attain this depth of information about the global sex trade? Wait - let me guess: you picked it up in the field?

arctic717
10-08-2007, 03:07 PM
I mean, I'd be interested in where you've gleaned all this knowledge in the global sex trade


Here's two for you:

Jenny
10-08-2007, 03:14 PM
Well, I was looking for something in the UN oevre, but nice. Now - out of curiosity - have you actually read these, or did you just do a quick google? Like are you aware of the contents?

HelloPussy
10-08-2007, 03:27 PM
I'm not sure why there's so much hate for arctic717. I can definitely see where he's coming from. The Latin culture does have strong roles for men and women. Latinas are raised to take pride in being a good wife. You can argue whether or not that's a good thing, but it is part of their culture. I can totally understand how a Latina will spontaneously clean up without being asked. That doesn't make her feel like a maid. She probably feels pride in doingsomething nice for him. It would be like if a girl paid to take a guy home, and the guy fixed her broken lightswitch before he left. That wouldn't make him a maintenance man. It just means he wanted to do something nice for her.

And from his descriptions, it sounds like the Latinas provide a much better sales experience. Face it, the SC scene is based on creating some sort of emotional connection. The guy wants to feel like he has a connection with the dancer. But too many dancers have a very prominent attitude that their time must be compensated at $X per minute. That could be a turn off, especially in a SC.

It's funny. In a way, the Latinas are providing the sales experience you typically see in high-end stores. For example, if you go to buy a luxury car, the sales guy will be very low pressure. He'll get to know you, leisurely show you all the cars, maybe even let you take one home for the weekend, etc. He is less focused on the specific sale and more focused on providing an overall great sales experience. However, if you go into a low-end dealer, you'll be pressured almost as soon as you walk in. The sales guy is focused on getting you to buy a car before you leave.

BrunetteGoddess
10-08-2007, 03:43 PM
"But too many dancers have a very prominent attitude that their time must be compensated at $X per minute. That could be a turn off, especially in a SC."

Wow.

Making it clear that money is required in a SC is a turn off? LOL.

Then obviously those men aren't getting what an SC is all about. That's exactly how an SC works! It's fantasy. If you want "emotions", then you will still have to pay. Any smart SC customer knows this, and doesn't expect to get a GFE for free. Sorry. They have escorts for that purpose as well, not just fucking. Or just try going to a regular bar for that matter and pick up some random gal that doesn't make her living the way a stripper does.

Duh.

Phil-W
10-08-2007, 03:43 PM
BTW, you're exactly the kind of person jeff is looking for to join his support team. it's a good thing you don't use your powers for evil. otherwise, i'm sure you can track bianca down just by reading the body language from her videos.

Actually, that's effing psychic mr_p. I've been interested in body language for 30 years now. And at the risk of cross-pollinating this thread, I'd be seriously interested in seeing a video of Jeff explaining how Bianca in fact loves him despite her apparent attempts to avoid him.

Phil.

mdiver
10-08-2007, 03:55 PM
I'm not sure why there's so much hate for arctic717.

Maybe the women think arctic717 is trying to cut into their money by informing the PL's about the better deals out there. After all more money spent on hookers in South and Central America means less money in their garters.

BrunetteGoddess
10-08-2007, 04:11 PM
Actually I think the the general consensus from the women on here was "Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out.". i don't think we're losing any sleep over this.

mdiver
10-08-2007, 04:14 PM
"Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out.".

That does have a slightly hostile tone to it. Non hostile would be something like, good have lots of fun and fuck one for me while you are at it.:)

BrunetteGoddess
10-08-2007, 04:31 PM
I don't see it as hostile.

xdamage
10-08-2007, 04:42 PM
I've lost track of what the conversation is about, so I'll just say again, if the OP has a better time down south, enjoy. It means nothing to me. My only objection was to the belief that they really like fucking their customers and doing the dishes. They may do it with a smile, but that doesn't mean they like it. Just because you beat or train someone to smile when being subservient doesn't mean that they enjoy it. They may well do it. They may have no other choice. They may even have it so beat into them that it becomes second nature, done without thought, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily like it.

To the OP, spend your money however you want. It's yours to do with as you please. All of that is fine. Just don't expect universal agreement with the notion that sometimes they really really like it. I doubt it, for the same reason I doubt that the strippers really really like Phil. Phil provides rides. You provide money. It's a symbiotic relationship sure, but they aren't calling you up on their dime begging to fuck you for free. They haven't tried to move their shit into your bathroom and closet. They probably aren't masturbating to fantasies of you. They aren't sitting around thinking "I feel so empty without him". Nope. All they are probably thinking is getting something for something.

And now is about the time a dancer will tell you, but don't be so sure... there is always a slight possibility... that's just covering one's bases because keeping doubt alive is good for business, and many dancers do that instinctively... it's just part of the hustle, habit without thought, because it works.

Bottom line to the OP...

When she likes it you will really know it. In the mean time, go on and enjoy your trips. You don't need anyone else's approval to do so. Just don't demand our agreement that your relationship transcends a customer/prostitute relationship. If you need that to enjoy it more, fine. We get nothing out of believing it though.

yoda57us
10-08-2007, 05:30 PM
Actually I think the the general consensus from the women on here was "Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out.". i don't think we're losing any sleep over this.

Hostile? I don't see it but why would you expect her to be supportive of a guy who is here slamming every American dancer in a thong.


That does have a slightly hostile tone to it. Non hostile would be something like, good have lots of fun and fuck one for me while you are at it.:)

A guy would say that. Why would a dancer?


I don't see it as hostile.

Agreed.

yoda57us
10-08-2007, 05:34 PM
When she likes it you will really know it. In the mean time, go on and enjoy your trips. You don't need anyone else's approval to do so. Just don't demand our agreement that your relationship transcends a customer/prostitute relationship. If you need that to enjoy it more, fine. We get nothing out of believing it though.

Exactly. My issue with the OP here is the fact that he thinks he is delivering earth-shattering information and saving the American strip club goer when in reality he is just banging cheap South American prostitutes and looking for a place to brag about it.

Not that there is anything wrong with that...

mr_punk
10-08-2007, 07:49 PM
I checked back through the tread and Arctic never said they washed his laundry, only dishes. I don't see what the big deal is, some of the women do his dishes so what.i don't see it as a big deal either. i mean, he says if he goes to their house and notices that something is broken. he offers to fix it. it's an even barter, IMO.

The responses in this thread is just the result of feminism out of control in the U.S. not to mention the pussification of the American male.of course, he's patriarchal, sexist, but worst of all, he's politically incorrect. which is a high crime around these parts.

Remember my premise is that this is the way the Latin girls are raised and that it spills over into the relationship SOMETIMES even when a guy is paying for sex.okay, but i wouldn't necessarily attribute it this "rare connection" you talk about. the fact they decide to do your cooking and cleaning, call you up to hang out, spend the night, etc isn't all that special. strippers call PLs all the time. of course, these girls don't explicitly say,"i desperately need money", but we all know that's why they're calling.

Making it clear that money is required in a SC is a turn off? LOL.
Then obviously those men aren't getting what an SC is all about.what's really funny is that most of the customers around here shoot "wanna dance" strippers down like flies.

arctic717
10-08-2007, 09:49 PM
Hostile? I don't see it but why would you expect her to be supportive of a guy who is here slamming every American dancer in a thong.



What pushed me away was the combination of the prices, the upselling and hustling and the general rudeness and ingraditude that I experienced. I know a vast majority of the posters here aren't like that, but there are quite a few who are in my area and that's been my common experience in the last few years.

I never slammed every American dancer, only said most of the ones in my area and was trying to be polite the posters here.