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Bob_Loblaw
10-24-2007, 09:34 PM
I have read through this thread and I am a little surprised with the responses considering all the testosterone on this forum.
So none of you guys are interested in going to Central or South America and fucking strippers for what a couple of lap dances would cost in the U.S.?
No. Even though it's a sausage-fest in here at times, it's not enough to stir any interest in sex tourism for me.
xdamage
10-25-2007, 09:22 AM
So none of you guys are interested in going to Central or South America and fucking strippers for what a couple of lap dances would cost in the U.S.?
It's not due to a lack of testosterone.
Not every customer goes to get laid. Of those that due, it's not that cheap when you factor in the cost of travel and lodging. And as many guys have pointed out over the years, it's not like Escorts can't be found in their home town (sans the legal factor which many argue is manageable).
Plus the "subservient" South American girl thing isn't that big of a draw for some of us, at least not for me. I don't feel the least bit threatened or uncomfortable by women who stand their ground, and don't always tell me what I want to hear. Persistent agreement out of fear or training like a dog would, you know, grow boring really quick for me. If I was going to pay for it, I really don't need a woman to wash my dishes, or suck up to me; that doesn't get my rocks off.
yoda57us
10-25-2007, 11:15 AM
It's not due to a lack of testosterone.
Plus the "subservient" South American girl thing isn't that big of a draw for some of us, at least not for me. I don't feel the least bit threatened or uncomfortable by women who stand their ground, and don't always tell me what I want to hear. Persistent agreement out of fear or training like a dog would, you know, grow boring really quick for me. If I was going to pay for it, I really don't need a woman to wash my dishes, or suck up to me; that doesn't get my rocks off.
I don't feel threatened by strong women either. In fact, it's my preference. Be careful not to let the OP color reality too much. South American women are not subservient by nature in fact, they are stronger in many ways than South American men. The whole BS about them cooking his meals and cleaning his house has much more to do with wanting more of his money than the OP is willing to admit. Though I haven't flown to Brazil to get laid I've been spending money on and making friends with South American women for quite a few years now and trust me, there is a motivation for everything that they do. While there are definite cultural differences subservience really isn't a part of it.
xdamage
10-25-2007, 01:54 PM
I don't feel threatened by strong women either. In fact, it's my preference. Be careful not to let the OP color reality too much. South American women are not subservient by nature in fact, they are stronger in many ways than South American men. The whole BS about them cooking his meals and cleaning his house has much more to do with wanting more of his money than the OP is willing to admit. Though I haven't flown to Brazil to get laid I've been spending money on and making friends with South American women for quite a few years now and trust me, there is a motivation for everything that they do. While there are definite cultural differences subservience really isn't a part of it.
I trust your assessment of the situation over the OPs. I have little doubt that he is just seeing the facade that they want him to see because they know it appeals to American men who have money to spend.
arctic717
10-27-2007, 12:12 PM
Be careful not to let the OP color reality too much. South American women are not subservient by nature in fact, they are stronger in many ways than South American men.
Would you guys please read my posts, I was the one argueing that they weren't subservient.
I don't feel threatened by strong women either. In fact, it's my preference
I have no problem with strong women, it's spoiled, entitled women who show no gratitude and endlessly complain about minor things that I have a problem with. Do an experiment, go to the Pink side read 100 posts mark the ratio of post that are positive or pleasant and the posts that are complaining over trivial stuff. The posters there are probably by and large the most literate and well adjusted of the women involved in the industry as well. As always not all US girls are like this, but a much, much higher ratio than anywhere I know.
Though I haven't flown to Brazil to get laid I've been spending money on and making friends with South American women for quite a few years
Your data is skewed. Once these girls step foot into the US and A.) start talking to American girls and B.) start interacting with insecure, castrated, nicey-nice men they learn to play by the new rules. If you want to argue with me on any of my points take at least one trip to one of these places and see with your own eyes. Don't hem and haw about the price, I just booked today for $35 round-trip using my miles. If you don't have miles to fly I'll show you how to have enough in 5 months without it costing you a dime. If you uncomfortable being a "sex tourist" as you say, just to for a vacation, see historical sites, hit the beach, the casino have some great meals and go to a strip club and pay no cover, get a full bottle of liquor (in club) for $30 and get $5 friction dances with smoking hot latina's with no attitude. You can skip the $50 full service in the back room since you're not into that.
I trust your assessment of the situation over the OPs. I have little doubt that he is just seeing the facade that they want him to see because they know it appeals to American men who have money to spend.
Yes, great idea, go with the assesment with the guy that's never been there over the guy that's lived there for almost a year. Exactly what facade am I seeing?. As all I know is I'm getting everything I want and alot more for an amount that I'm very comfortable with and that there is a long line of very, very attractive women willing to provide it to me and be very pleasant very appreciative in the process.
safado
10-27-2007, 01:17 PM
Would you guys please read my posts, I was the one argueing that they weren't subservient.
I have no problem with strong women, it's spoiled, entitled women who show no gratitude and endlessly complain about minor things that I have a problem with. Do an experiment, go to the Pink side read 100 posts mark the ratio of post that are positive or pleasant and the posts that are complaining over trivial stuff. The posters there are probably by and large the most literate and well adjusted of the women involved in the industry as well. As always not all US girls are like this, but a much, much higher ratio than anywhere I know.
Your data is skewed. Once these girls step foot into the US and A.) start talking to American girls and B.) start interacting with insecure, castrated, nicey-nice men they learn to play by the new rules. If you want to argue with me on any of my points take at least one trip to one of these places and see with your own eyes. Don't hem and haw about the price, I just booked today for $35 round-trip using my miles. If you don't have miles to fly I'll show you how to have enough in 5 months without it costing you a dime. If you uncomfortable being a "sex tourist" as you say, just to for a vacation, see historical sites, hit the beach, the casino have some great meals and go to a strip club and pay no cover, get a full bottle of liquor (in club) for $30 and get $5 friction dances with smoking hot latina's with no attitude. You can skip the $50 full service in the back room since you're not into that.
Yes, great idea, go with the assesment with the guy that's never been there over the guy that's lived there for almost a year. Exactly what facade am I seeing?. As all I know is I'm getting everything I want and alot more for an amount that I'm very comfortable with and that there is a long line of very, very attractive women willing to provide it to me and be very pleasant very appreciative in the process.
I have been to Brazil a couple of times. I have had a couple of the working girls tell me how they want to come and work at clubs in the us because American men back in the states are fools and will "pay big money for kiss kiss". When I was at a terma a Brazilian customer was saying how he hears that guys in the states pay strippers to tease them, he was laughing when he said it. And before anyone starts getting all defensive these are the their words not mine.
Anyone who has been to Brazil will agree that the workers there are more service oriented, not just the working girls, but you will also see it in the service you receive at the resturants and other places. I have received better service in Brasil then here in the U.S., I attribute it to them being more service oriented and wanting repeat buisness. I have gotten bad service a couple of times. Also here in the U.S. I have gotten better service from the Brazilian and other foreign dancers, they seem to have a different work ethic.
When you factor in hotel and airfare it is not exactly cheap but I consider it a great value for the experience. When I went it was for an eight day vacation, the total for everything including airfare and hotel was 3,200 (airfare 730, hotel 670) including 13 full service sessions. I did regular tourist stuff also.
I loved the Termas, when you get inside it looks like a strip club with one or more stages and girls dancing on them dresses in their matching outfits doing strip shows, anywhere from 20 to 60 girls on the floor ready to please. You won't hear stuff like: don't touch me, I don't do that, ew gross cutsy, I am not a hooker, etc..
I am not trying to save anyone or telling anyone they should go or how to spend their money, these are just my limited experiences.
Jenny
10-27-2007, 01:27 PM
I have no problem with strong women,
Okay. You like strong women as long as they do your laundry after fucking you for $80. Gotcha. Look - I know you really want to distance yourself from the whole price issue and the chores issue - but I don't think anyone is necessary going to buy it since you introduced as a typical encounter, and as an illustration on why it was more desirable than an encounter with an american woman. So now you're pretty stuck with it.
it's spoiled, entitled women who show no gratitude and endlessly complain about minor things that I have a problem with.
Oh. Come now. They only seem minor because you don't have to do them. Like all the guys who inform me that I'm overpaid because all I do is grind on some guy's lap. I really do think that if they were going to sexually stimulate some guy that looks and acts like them that they might have a different idea about how easy and fun it is.
Do an experiment, go to the Pink side read 100 posts mark the ratio of post that are positive or pleasant and the posts that are complaining over trivial stuff.
Dude - our job is hard. It engenders complaints. I can promise - like PROMISE - that these latina women are complaining amongst themselves too. You just don't know where to find their websites.
The posters there are probably by and large the most literate and well adjusted of the women involved in the industry as well. As always not all US girls are like this, but a much, much higher ratio than anywhere I know.
Yeah. Those pesky American girls, not wanting to work for $80 a night. And who have the nerve to do the job they are hired to do but not think well of you afterwards. Bitches, man. Who do they think they are, thinking that still own their thoughts and feelings after you've paid them 80 whole dollars?
Your data is skewed. Once these girls step foot into the US and A.) start talking to American girls and B.) start interacting with insecure, castrated, nicey-nice men they learn to play by the new rules.
So... you're saying that these latina women you like so much, who so adore waiting on you... it's not so much because they are brought up that way at all, as much as they don't know any better? So they might feel... you know, like they have to do this to get repeat business? Because guys like you think that Latina girls like to do housework? And that once they realize that they don't have to do it, the great pleasure they take in the process dissipates? Hmm. Interesting. How about that?
yoda57us
10-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Would you guys please read my posts, I was the one argueing that they weren't subservient.
Well fine, take that up with X, not me. I was responding to his use of the word, in quotes, which, as we all know, may or may not mean that it was an actual quote from you...
As for the rest....
Dude, I guarantee you I know more women from South America than you do. I've probably fucked fewer of them but I've also developed relationships that go beyond paying them to do anything for me on a sexual or house cleaning level. I've known some of these women for close to ten years. I've met their mothers, their siblings, their ex-husbands and boyfriends...yes, the guys they go home and fuck for free after they take our money... We've spent hours talking about, among other things, the exact comparisons that you are trying to make here on this thread.
Just as with strippers, you need to remove money from the equation before you start talking about how wonderful or different or special a particular woman or group of women are. Quite simply, you have not done that. I don't care if they spend the night, bang you three times, cook you dinner, bang you three more times, shave you, wash the dishes and then bang you one more time before they wash your floor and leave. You have still payed them to be there. It's a hell of an ROI but it's still all about the fact that there is a pot of gold, not just your charm and wit, at the end of the rainbow.
I'm glad that you are having the time of your life, I really am. Everybody should spend their money how they like and I'm certainly no stranger to paying all sorts of lovely exotic women to make me happy. I'm just doing it with my eyes open.
Jenny
10-27-2007, 01:34 PM
I have been to Brazil a couple of times. I have had a couple of the working girls tell me how they want to come and work at clubs in the us because American men back in the states are fools and will "pay big money for kiss kiss". When I was at a terma a Brazilian customer was saying how he hears that guys in the states pay strippers to tease them, he was laughing when he said it. And before anyone starts getting all defensive these are the their words not mine.
Really? Because Brazilian guys buy dances from me. We get a lot insurers and re-insurers from Central and South America. They have no issues spending money on non-sex in my club. The middle aged guys from Central and South America are a way easier sell than the middle aged guys from Toronto. We talk about how it's different; many of them say it is better there - and I laugh and say "well, not for us." And then they laugh and agree.
You won't hear stuff like: don't touch me, I don't do that, ew gross cutsy, I am not a hooker, etc..
Well. No. Of course not. And if you hired a hooker in the US or Canada you wouldn't hear "Hey, I'm not a hooker" either. That tends to happen when you... you know. Hire hookers. What's your point?
xdamage
10-27-2007, 01:44 PM
Okay. You like strong women as long as they do your laundry after fucking you for $80. Gotcha. Look - I know you really want to distance yourself from the whole price issue and the chores issue - but I don't think anyone is necessary going to buy it since you introduced as a typical encounter, and as an illustration on why it was more desirable than an encounter with an american woman. So now you're pretty stuck with it.
I rarely agree with Jenny, but I do agree, this doesn't exactly set the stage for really loving women who act as equals. Nothing wrong with that, but at least be honest, if you like subservient women, it's cool, but be clear about it.
safado
10-27-2007, 01:46 PM
Really? Because Brazilian guys buy dances from me. We get a lot insurers and re-insurers from Central and South America. They have no issues spending money on non-sex in my club. The middle aged guys from Central and South America are a way easier sell than the middle aged guys from Toronto. We talk about how it's different; many of them say it is better there - and I laugh and say "well, not for us." And then they laugh and agree.
Like I said my limited experience, that was the perspective I ran across at that particular establishment. As far as them having no issue spending money the guys you are talking about are most likley rich Brazilians, In Brazil you have the rich and the poor, the middle class is a very small group there.
Well. No. Of course not. And if you hired a hooker in the US or Canada you wouldn't hear "Hey, I'm not a hooker" either. That tends to happen when you... you know. Hire hookers. What's your point?
I knew I should have edited that before I hit the submit button.
Jenny
10-27-2007, 01:56 PM
I Nothing wrong with that, but at least be honest, if you like subservient women, it's cool, but be clear about it.
I actually don't think that's cool. I mean, the product exists if you want to buy it, but I actually do think it makes you a fairly despicable human being. Although I suppose it is still good, in a way, for the girls who sell it.
Like I said my limited experience, that was the perspective I ran across at that particular establishment.
Groovy. But it is hardly a culture wide issue; and it turns out that people from South America are just as capable of the whole "when in Rome" thing as we are. That is, they might have one set of expectation there, and a different one here. And the one doesn't have to neutralize the other. I know. Weird. Who would have thunk that those backwards non-Americans would have any sense of cultural difference?
Damn you. You edited. I would agree that they were probably on the wealthy side. Although I'm not sure how that effects the point you were making - i.e. that Brazilians, who routinely buy sex in their equivalent of a strip club, think those who buy lapdances are big, idiotic, suckers. My point was that South American (and Central Amerrican) guys who routinely travel to the States or Canada seem perfectly fine buying what is on offer (routinely on offer) here, and don't seem to think that they are big suckers for doing so. I mean, they probably still expect what is routinely on offer when they go to clubs in their hometown - I doubt they are all "No, I've seen the beauty of North American lapdances, and I just can't go back." But they don't seem to have issue with the difference.
I knew I should have edited that before I hit the submit button.Well, no, it's fine... it's just not a rational distinction. Like, of course women who provide different services provide different services. It's sort of like saying that if you hired a hooker and asked her to do your dishes and she said "look I'm not a maid" that you would respond "when I go to the maid agency and hire a woman SHE doesn't say "look I'm not a maid." Like... yeah, and so?
xdamage
10-27-2007, 02:50 PM
I actually don't think that's cool. I mean, the product exists if you want to buy it, but I actually do think it makes you a fairly despicable human being. Although I suppose it is still good, in a way, for the girls who sell it.
Well, it is good for the girls who need money. The fact is the market is there, and they do need the money. All other things aside, they probably would rather have the business.
Jenny
10-27-2007, 02:56 PM
Well, it is good for the girls who need money. The fact is the market is there, and they do need the money. All other things aside, they probably would rather have the business.
Yeah. Like I said. It is good (in a way) for the girls who sell the service. It doesn't make the buyer any less despicable. It just means that he still gets to buy. Sort of Justin Timberlake. The fact that people buy his albums and hence allow him to make money doesn't endow them with good taste.
mr_punk
10-27-2007, 03:21 PM
The posters there are probably by and large the most literate and well adjusted of the women involved in the industry as well.i'm sorry, but i just fell out of my chair, started rolling around on the floor laughing and can't seem to stop. LOL...thanks, that was priceless.
xdamage
10-27-2007, 03:48 PM
...Sort of Justin Timberlake. The fact that people buy his albums and hence allow him to make money doesn't endow them with good taste.
WTF Jenny? Two points of agreement?... JT sucks - high 5s.
arctic717
10-28-2007, 08:57 AM
Okay. You like strong women as long as they do your laundry after fucking you for $80.
Dude - our job is hard. It engenders complaints. I can promise - like PROMISE - that these latina women are complaining amongst themselves too. You just don't know where to find their websites
I'm tired of going over the same points over and over. Here is an old joke that sums up my point.
Cultural Arrangements
October 18th, 2002
AskMen.com Rates This Joke: 9/10
On a chain of beautiful deserted islands in the middle of nowhere, the following people are stranded...
Two Italian men and one Italian woman
Two French men and one French woman
Two German men and one German woman
Two Greek men and one Greek woman
Two English men and one English woman
Two Bulgarian men and one Bulgarian woman
Two Japanese men and one Japanese woman
Two Irish men and one Irish woman
Two American men and one American woman.
One month later, on this absolutely stunning deserted island in the middle of nowhere, the following things have occurred....
One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman.
The two French men and the French woman are living happily together in a ménage a trois.
The two German men have a strict weekly schedule of alternating visits with the German woman.
The two Greek men are sleeping with each other and the Greek woman is cleaning and cooking for them.
The two English men are waiting for someone to introduced them to the English woman.
The two Bulgarian men took one look at the Bulgarian woman and started swimming to a different island.
The two Japanese men faxed Tokyo and are waiting for instructions.
The two Irish men divided the island into North and South and set up a distillery. They do not remember if sex is in the picture because it gets somewhat foggy after a few liters of coconut whisky. However, they are happy because the English aren't having any fun.
The two American men are contemplating suicide because the American woman will not shut up and complains relentlessly about her body, the true nature of feminism, what the sun is doing to her skin, how she can do anything they can do, the necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how sand and palm trees make her look fat, how her last boyfriend respected her opinions and treated her a lot better than they do, and how her relationship with her mother is the cause of all her problems, and why didn't they bring a cell phone with them so they could call 911 and get them all rescued from this godforsaken deserted island in the middle of nowhere... so she can get her nails done and go shopping.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 09:04 AM
Oh well. That is certainly a potent argument. I've been shown.
yoda57us
10-28-2007, 09:36 AM
I'm tired of going over the same points over and over.
Well, you can quite anytime you like but, since the mods haven't closed this thread down yet they must be at least a little amused by the whole thing...
No matter how many ways you re-state it most of us just think you are full of it...
If you had just said, in post #1, "I'm not going to US strip clubs anymore, I'm going to South and Central America to have sex with prostitutes in those countries instead because I like having sex better than I like hanging out with women in strip clubs who won't have sex with me" We all would have said "Have fun" and it would have been a mercifully shorter thread.
Bob_Loblaw
10-28-2007, 10:38 AM
I will not follow up this post but will read all replies.
Well, you can quit anytime you like but, since the mods haven't closed this thread down yet they must be at least a little amused by the whole thing...
This thread would have been long dead if he didn't post 17 times after he made the above statement.
Oh well. That is certainly a potent argument. I've been shown.
So what does this say about Canadians?
If you had just said, in post #1, "I'm not going to US strip clubs anymore, I'm going to South and Central America to have sex with prostitutes in those countries instead because I like having sex better than I like hanging out with women in strip clubs who won't have sex with me" We all would have said "Have fun" and it would have been a mercifully shorter thread.
Yoda, this would have been an excellent closing comment around which Jay and I could have locked the thread. And with the flourish it so richly deserves. But since we didn't think of it (and Jay doesn't condone plagiarism even by a Moderator), you all will now have to wait until we come up with something equally poignant and pithy.
FBR
Jenny
10-28-2007, 11:37 AM
So what does this say about Canadians?Is it that we're readily cowed by insightful, incisively argument and witty intelligence? Because you know, that what I've always heard about Canadians.
arctic717
10-28-2007, 02:47 PM
No matter how many ways you re-state it most of us just think you are full of it...
What am I full of?, I'm going very far out of my way in explaining the facts as they happen. I'm telling you what the girls do, what I do. I've never once said how I think they feel or that they like me or what they are doing. That has all been projected on me by other posters. Everything I have posted has been factual ie, what I've paid, what I recieve in return etc. I have made no attempt to make it into anything more than it was.
If you had just said, in post #1, "I'm not going to US strip clubs anymore, I'm going to South and Central America to have sex with prostitutes in those countries instead because I like having sex better than I like hanging out with women in strip clubs
I couldn't say that because it's not true. I can go both to US SC's and go to Central American bordello's, my first post just stated I was avoiding US SC's because I got tired of having to pay so much and many times getting a bad attitude from the dancers to boot. If I was being treated well in the US SC's I never would have left. I live in both places and am well aware of the differences of both. US SC's are expensive and there is no legal sex, I'm ok with that, treat me with disrespect and hound me for tips and complain if it's not big enough and you lose me. No biggee for them and no biggee for me.
Dude, I guarantee you I know more women from South America than you do
Ok, I don't know you so I can't guarantee like you did, but I would assume I know alot more South/Central American girls and know them alot better than you. I was engaged to a Venezuelan girl for 1 year and lived in Caracas for 6 months. I currenlty have a Colombian girl, a Paisa I've been dating for 2 months, I had a Brazillian girlfriend for 2 years, an Uraguayan girlfriend for 1 year, 4-5 Domincan girlfriends, I've had real-estate and visited Costa Rica for the last 12 years, I've had property and been in Panama for the last 2 years. I've made 40 trips to Costa Rica, 15 to Panama, 5 to Brazil, 7 to Dominican Republic, 5 to Venezuela, 2 to Ecuador, 1 to Chile, 2 to Argentina, 1 to Curacao and one trip to Medellin Colombia. I've dated pretty much only latin girls the last 12 years or so and have been with them and their families both in the US and in their native contries. I've been to weddings, funerals, baptisms, quinceaneras, birthday parties, carnavales and every other occasion there is.
In addition to that I spent 10 years working in SC's in Ft. Lauderdale with a primarily Latin dance staff. The difference between us being I was the one they were going home to bang after guys like you had listened to all thier problems and paid them for thier time.
Just as with strippers, you need to remove money from the equation before you start talking about how wonderful or different or special a particular woman or group of women are
All of the women mentioned above except the girl from Uruguay were non- stripper/prostitutes, they were; airline stewardess's, a dental hygenist, a nurse, real estate angent, a receptionists and a business owner. There was no money involved and all of them enjoyed treating me well, ie: cooking, affection and often times laundry. American women and some American men find that hard to believe and even degrading, but that is the reality of the situation. The girls (non-pro's) that I dated enjoyed doing that stuff and it made them feel good, just as I felt good by treating them well, taking them to dinner, helping them with repairs or things they needed done. it was win-win and worked for both parties.
They're only movies, but they showcase alot of truths about both cultures, try watching "Spanglish" for the difference in how US and Latina women are in a relationship and "Chasing Poppy" to see how Latin women treat men.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 04:05 PM
Oh my gosh, there's a movie too? Like in addition to the joke? I wonder why we doubted you.
yoda57us
10-28-2007, 04:09 PM
That's all fascinating but, again, you are waffling from your original post which was titled "No More SC's for Me" and not "Maybe I'll Go Fuck Girls in South America Sometimes and Maybe I'll Go To US Strip Clubs Sometimes.
Since you are now, after 181 posts, coming clean with your actual experience with women that you didn't pay for sex I will give you that one...
Of course, going back to the OP again, this thread was not about girlfriends, it was about strippers and hookers. In fact, it wasn't even about hookers until we forced you to fess up.
As far as who you were banging and who I was spending money on, again, paid sex and free sex are two different things and that whole part of your argument is pretty much irrelevant here. That's not what the thread is about. Nice clubs in Ft. Lauderdale though....
My POV here from the beginning has been that you were not telling the whole story...and guess what? You weren't!
arctic717
10-28-2007, 04:44 PM
Boy this is getting ardous,
Of course, going back to the OP again, this thread was not about girlfriends, it was about strippers and hookers. In fact, it wasn't even about hookers until we forced you to fess up.
The post about girlfriends was in response to you telling me you knew Latin girls better than me and that until money was out of the equation I shouldn't comment on the qualities of a group of people.
Since you are now, after 181 posts, coming clean with your actual experience with women that you didn't pay for sex I will give you that one...
As mentioned above the post about free sex was in response to your post. All the posts about paid sex and what I receive still stands.
I'm losing interest here because I can never win, I get attacks that try to pick apart my posts and then respond only to have other attacks on other parts of the response from someone else. I love to have a rational debate, but none of the attacking posters so far have any experience with what I'm writing about. They project on to me or the SA girls with no first hand knowledge and are free to ignore my response and just go attack somewhere else. For example Yoda, do you still guarantte that you know more Latin girls than me?.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 04:58 PM
I love to have a rational debateI know. We are still being educated on the use of jokes and movies as definitive evidence in a rational debate. Really, it's a good thing for us that you're here or we would have no one to inform us on how true stereotypes are. Please don't leave. Without you we'll have to judge South American women (and American women... and Bulgarian, English, etc.) as actual individuals.
yoda57us
10-28-2007, 05:03 PM
Dude, that is my entire point. You are getting picked apart because you started this whole circus ride on a BS premise. Your life with South and Central American women has absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in North American strip clubs. You created a thread to bash North American strippers by pitting them against prostitutes from Latin America. When we called you on that you started telling us about how many not for pay relationships you had with these women.
If you actually read my last post I pretty much told you that I was reneging on who knows more Latino women...since you are now talking about civilian dating that you didn't talk about before my claim.
If you are tired of arguing you can always actually go away...as you said you would quite a while ago.
I never get tired of arguing....folks around here will pretty much confirm that...
arctic717
10-28-2007, 05:38 PM
We are still being educated on the use of jokes and movies as definitive evidence in a rational debate
Jokes and movies are all I have to work with, you have no experience in anything I'm talking about and insist on picking apart everything I have said. You obviously won't take my word for it.
Also I'm not talking about stereotypes but generalities. Different groups of people differ to varying degrees because of ideas and conditions that they are exposed to, it's called cultural evolution.
Here is a piece that pertains to American women from a renowned female author.
Here are some on Hispanic Culture:
cut and paste:
In the traditional household, the man is the head of the family and makes all major decisions. There is a strong sense of Paternalism what most Westerners call "Male Dominance", but the females role is equivalent and she is the Maternal powerhouse in her home. The truth is women are sacred and revered, often protected, not because she can't handle herself or has no voice, but because the solidarity of the family unit depends on her well being.
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We talk of Hispanics as a group because there are some strong common traits among the Latino sub-groups. Some traditional and colonial Spanish values transcend the different Hispanic cultures.
http://www.hispanic-research.com/home/_themes/latin/redbullet.gifHispanics tend to be conservative/traditional in their cultural lifestyle. The men’s “machismo” clearly separates the Latino male from his Anglo counterparts. The female also plays a very different role from that of the Anglo female. These traits are especially evident in new immigrants.
http://www.hispanic-research.com/home/_themes/latin/redbullet.gifMost Hispanics exhibit a similar longing and nostalgia for their country of origin
arctic717
10-28-2007, 05:57 PM
Yes, Yoda I'm getting tired but still have a few posts left in me.
Dude, that is my entire point. You are getting picked apart because you started this whole circus ride on a BS premise. Your life with South and Central American women has absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in North American strip clubs. You created a thread to bash North American strippers by pitting them against prostitutes from Latin America. When we called you on that you started telling us about how many not for pay relationships you had with these women.
My first post till now is still consistent. My 1st post was that I was tired of the attitude I was getting in the US SC's and what I consider to be price gouging on top of it. I pretty much just stated that compared to the value I was getting and the way I was being treated elsewhere it was a no-brainer for me not to be a client anymore and to use that saved money to spend on my trips to SA where with or without sex I felt appreciated and respected.
All the rest of my posts were me defending myself from a variety of attacks. Even though they have no idea who or how I am or anything about the girls that I was dealing with. For example a poster tells me the girls can't stand being with me and talk bad about me behind my back, that makes me post about how sometimes they stay alot longer than they have to and sometime cook breakfast. You post about you know more Latin girls and how you have to take money out of the equation and that makes me post about my history with Latin girls and with money not being in the equation. I know what I know, I have lived it. You'll never convince any different and I'll never convince any of you any different until you see it with your own eyes.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 05:58 PM
Jokes and movies are all I have to work with, you have no experience in anything I'm talking about and insist on picking apart everything I have said. You obviously won't take my word for it.
What do you mean? That I have no experience with Latina prostitutes? Well, yes, that I grant you. Although I did actually share your theory that housework is fulfilling to latina women with a young friend of mine employed as a nanny. She... well, she definitely didn't say "Yes, on an intuitive level, I could believe that Latina prostitutes would enjoy and invest a sense of accomplishment in doing a client's dishes."
The new rational debate. Dependant only on personal experience and jokes and movies. I don't know what we were thinking all those years relying on actual facts. See how much we're learning? Thanks Arctic. I'm glad you're here.
And why would I take your word for it? You don't seem that reliable or insightful to me.
Also I'm not talking about stereotypes but generalities. Different groups of people differ to varying degrees because of ideas and conditions that they are exposed to, it's called cultural evolution.
It's a stereotype when you are using a cultural generality as a proxy for knowing anything about the actual individual, as you do in this thread.
Here is a piece that pertains to American women from a renowned female author.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=5096 (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=5096)
Ha! That was cute. "Renowned." Thanks. But you might want to consider what she's renowned for.
Here are some on Hispanic Culture:
http://www.culturediversity.org/hisp.htm
Do you just paste links without any idea of what they are there for? Forget it - I already know you did. I'll tell you what. I'm taking a class taught by a fellowship holder from Mexico. I will send her this link ask her what she thinks, and whether they are "generalities" or "stereotypes". Surely you can concede that her experience with latina women is broad, impeccable and better than yours?
arctic717
10-28-2007, 06:16 PM
Ha! That was cute. "Renowned." Thanks. But you might want to consider what she's renowned for.
from the webpage of the American Chronicle;
Nancy Levant is a renowned writer for Constitutional governance and American culture. She is the author of The Cultural Devastation of American Women: The Strange and Frightening Decline of the American Female (and her dreadful timing). See Amazon.com - books section.
Do you just paste links without any idea of what they are there for? Forget it - I already know you did. I'll tell you what. I'm taking a class taught by a fellowship holder from Mexico. I will send her this link ask her what she thinks, and whether they are "generalities" or "stereotypes". Surely you can concede that her experience with latina women is broad, impeccable and better than yours?
Yes, I am posting articles from orginizations that have no affiliation with me or my ideas to show that there are differences between cultures. What they are there for is irrevelant, it's what they say that's the point. Please, please, please consult with your fellow-ship holder from Mexico. Here is my premise if you want to ask her word for word. "Is it true that by and large Hispanic women in Latin America are rasied and are very focused on taking care of men." Let's stop disussing this until you get your info. from her, OK?.
P.S. Great sigline, it says alot.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 06:31 PM
Yes, I am posting articles from orginizations that have no affiliation with me or my ideas to show that there are differences between cultures. What they are there for is irrevelant, it's what they say that's the point.
Are you serious? Like - are you stupid? Are you honestly saying that the purpose your source was created for is irrelevant both in how it should be understood and in its reliability? No - what it is for is important. You can't just provide random links and expect people to believe it. You actually have to provide credible links, and you should preferably be familiar with the content (I remember you provided me with links before to content that you clearly had never read).
Please, please, please consult with your fellow-ship holder from Mexico. Here is my premise if you want to ask her word for word. "Is it true that by and large Hispanic women in Latin America are rasied and are very focused on taking care of men." Let's stop disussing this until you get your info. from her, OK?.
Sure. Okay. I would actually like to give her some of the additional information you have given us - like for example your contention that latina hookers take pride in doing their clients housework because they are latina, and not because of any financial issue. That's okay with you, right? I mean, if that contention in true in the context you posited it, there can't be a problem with communicating it in its entirety - like including the context. And... I mean, she is not likely to give a one word answer. It will likely be a yes but... or a no, but... and MOST likely (since she is an academic and lawyer) "that is not the appropriate question... the appropriate question is..." I just want you to understand what you are getting into if you are deferring to this.
P.S. Great sigline, it says alot.
Indeed. I believe it communicates volumes. And it doesn't deter men of any given race from liking me. Neat, huh? And I don't have to do a single dish.
arctic717
10-28-2007, 07:56 PM
Posted by Jenny: Are you serious? Like - are you stupid? Are you honestly saying that the purpose your source was created for is irrelevant both in how it should be understood and in its reliability? No - what it is for is important. You can't just provide random links and expect people to believe it.
No I'm not stupid. All the articles were from established orginizations, they weren't bloggers or some hacks wepage. It's called research, you collect information from various established sources. Did you read the articles?, did you think the info was false?, do you think the author's were lying or uninformed?.
Posted by Jenny:
I would actually like to give her some of the additional information you have given us - like for example your contention that latina hookers take pride in doing their clients housework because they are latina, and not because of any financial issue. That's okay with you, right? I mean, if that contention in true in the context you posited it,
You can ask her whatever you like, but you have to decide if you want to ask her to maybe learn something new or if you're going to frame the question just to get an answer that supports your view (uninformed though it is). For the record, my premise is that Latina women are raised to be caring and attentive to men ie; cooking and laundry and that sometimes it carries over in some instances to a prostitute and a client. I'm really getting tired of you putting words in my, I never said that the hookers took pride in it or weren't doing it for financial gain, I only said what they did. I never pretended to know thier motivations. I also went out of my way to say that it was a tiny, tiny minority who did that, but some did. I have their names and pic's and phone numbers and would be happy to put you in touch with them if you want. I can for sure say the non-pro's took pride or felt good about cooking for me.
For sure ask you teacher if Latina women and prostitutes who happen to be Latina have a propensity to treat a man this way.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 08:22 PM
No I'm not stupid. All the articles were from established orginizations, they weren't bloggers or some hacks wepage. It's called research, you collect information from various established sources. Did you read the articles?, did you think the info was false?, do you think the author's were lying or uninformed?.
I think the Levant is uninformed. I mean - isn't she a daycare worker from some backwoods somewhere? All due respect to those who live in backwoods, but she's hardly an authority on... well anything. Did she even graduate from high school? And I think the nursing website was information gathered in a specific way for a specific reason - that is, to convince northern practitioners to approach patients in a particular way to make treatment the most effective. So yes - I think the information is unreliable and uninformed. It might as well be someone's blog.
You can ask her whatever you like, but you have to decide if you want to ask her to maybe learn something new or if you're going to frame the question just to get an answer that supports your view (uninformed though it is).
Sorry, what's the problem? Did you or did you not say that women that you were paying to have sex with you did your dishes, not out of a sense of financial obligation or because they felt like they had to maintain business, but because they take pride in doing housework and "looking after men"? Is that a mischaracterization of what you said? So what can be the problem with presenting that set of facts? Again - it's not like they keep Latina women deep in the jungle. We ALL know them.
For the record, my premise is that Latina women are raised to be caring and attentive to men ie; cooking and laundry and that sometimes it carries over in some instances to a prostitute and a client. I'm really getting tired of you putting words in my, I never said that the hookers took pride in it or weren't doing it for financial gain, I only said what they did.
That is just untrue. You specifically and exactly said that they didn't do it because they felt like they had to to get your business, but did it because they enjoyed it, and that they enjoyed it because the women there were brought up to look after men. You know we have it all in writing, right?
I never pretended to know thier motivations. I also went out of my way to say that it was a tiny, tiny minority who did that,
No you didn't. Quite the contrary you listed it as a typical encounter and why you liked them.
I can for sure say the non-pro's took pride or felt good about cooking for me.
Hmm. I know a woman who was very happy and pleased to take her husband's name when they got married. She took delight in calling herself Mrs. x. I think it says less about "Canadian women" than the kind of woman that guy sought out.
For sure ask you teacher if Latina women and prostitutes who happen to be Latina have a propensity to treat a man this way.
Oh I will. But of course, I will also ask her WHY they might have a propensity to treat a man this way. (Who am I kidding - like I need to ask her why). You know what the answer to this is going to be as well as I do.
btw; might I address this:
Ok, I don't know you so I can't guarantee like you did, but I would assume I know alot more South/Central American girls and know them alot better than you. I was engaged to a Venezuelan girl for 1 year and lived in Caracas for 6 months. I currenlty have a Colombian girl, a Paisa I've been dating for 2 months, I had a Brazillian girlfriend for 2 years, an Uraguayan girlfriend for 1 year, 4-5 Domincan girlfriends, I've had real-estate and visited Costa Rica for the last 12 years, I've had property and been in Panama for the last 2 years. I've made 40 trips to Costa Rica, 15 to Panama, 5 to Brazil, 7 to Dominican Republic, 5 to Venezuela, 2 to Ecuador, 1 to Chile, 2 to Argentina, 1 to Curacao and one trip to Medellin Colombia.
In your first post you say you've been visiting Central and South America for the past 6 months. Know what Arctic? I think you're just lying. You are - admit. You're making this whole thing. You crave stripclubjunkie attention, don't you? That's why you keep replying when you say you're going to stop. You're sitting at home, all in love with Yoda, and thought "I know how to get in his virtual pants... I'll extol the virtues of latina women over North American women... then he won't be able to get enough of me. Admit it. That was your plan.
OK. We don't have a poignant closing post. But I do think this thread has run it's course.
Thank you all for your participation.
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