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TheSexKitten
10-06-2007, 11:19 AM
i'd say coke isn't physically addictive, but other might disagree.

Well if all you're basing this on is building up a slight tolerance, then coke would definitely fall into that category...

Personally I base it more on severity or presence of withdrawal symptoms.

Whatever the case, if weed is indeed physically addictive, I'd say that it's not addictive enough to be considered or put on display at the forefront as a "feature du weed".

britt244
10-06-2007, 11:29 AM
Well if all you're basing this on is building up a slight tolerance, then coke would definitely fall into that category...

Personally I base it more on severity or presence of withdrawal symptoms.

Whatever the case, if weed is indeed physically addictive, I'd say that it's not addictive enough to be considered or put on display at the forefront as a "feature du weed".

that isnt all i'm basing it on. but coke is a whole different topic and has nothing to do with this thread. i was just using it as an example.

jaizaine
10-06-2007, 11:46 PM
I saw something on my local news recently about a state in the US where marijuana is legal by prescription and they were arguing that the system is being abused and drug dealers are getting prescriptions and then on-selling it.
ANyone know anything about this?

Personally I would not smoke marijuana myself because of my problems with depression but apparently it is extremely good at controlling nausea in cancer and aids patients and has other benefificial medicinal purposes.

I think cigarettes and alcohol cause more illness and death than marijuana ever could.

britt244
10-07-2007, 12:33 AM
I saw something on my local news recently about a state in the US where marijuana is legal by prescription and they were arguing that the system is being abused and drug dealers are getting prescriptions and then on-selling it.
ANyone know anything about this?

Personally I would not smoke marijuana myself because of my problems with depression but apparently it is extremely good at controlling nausea in cancer and aids patients and has other benefificial medicinal purposes.

I think cigarettes and alcohol cause more illness and death than marijuana ever could.

well.. supposedly one joint is equal to 4 cigarettes. so way worse for your lungs & in causing cancer.

jaizaine
10-07-2007, 12:47 AM
^
im def no expert. i thought cigarettes have more chemicals in them or something. i dunno tho ;D

cameron_keys
10-07-2007, 06:56 AM
From the NIDA website:|()

"Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens9,11. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke12. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells13. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

jaizaine
10-07-2007, 07:09 AM
^^
well shit /:O I would not have guessed that. I thought coz it was a plant is was kind of natural, chemical free LOL.

Paris
10-07-2007, 11:25 AM
My thought is that all illicit drugs should be made legal. That $40bil a year the US spends on "The War on Drugs" could be put to good use in getting the addicts treatment and to be a productive member of society, instead of sitting behind bars.

Three things will happen if "The War on Drugs" is ended:
1. Street crime will all but disappear. The vast majority of street crime is because of the illicit drug trade. If no one is threatened by imprisonment, then calling the cops on a person that is threatening you over a drug deal (or whatever) would be an option.
2. Overdose deaths would dramatically drop. If you and your friends are shooting heroine, and one guy overdoses, no one would hesitate to call for an ambulance.
3. People with addictions can get real help,not just thrown in prison. Everyone knows that addiction is a disease. Why is it that it is the only disease we punish the sufferers for having it?

But...the war on drugs is the modern way to control the population. Much like the sexual restrictions of past eras were used. It won't end because it keeps us docile and afraid. That is what a controlling government wants.

Paris
10-07-2007, 11:37 AM
I think cigarettes and alcohol cause more illness and death than marijuana ever could.

Yep. 400,000 deaths a year attributed directly to tobacco.

Number of deaths directly attributed to marijuana?
Zero.

Feel free to look around the web, but there is not a single case of death caused by marijuana as the primary factor. (Driving under the influence of marijuana may be a secondary cause, but that is a different statistic).

Over 4,000 people die every year because of tylenol! None have ever died of a marijuana over dose.

Now, I'm not saying that it is all good, and everyone should light up right away. But I do find it suspicious that the government is working so hard to control a plant that basically amounts to a weed.

Oh, and hemp is an ideal, fast growing non-food crop that works extremely well for alternative fuels like biodiesle and bioethanol. Yeah, but we are using corn that otherwise could be used to feed the hungry of the world.:'(

Farrah_Holiday
10-07-2007, 12:01 PM
I think they both should be legal.. Thankfully I leave in CA where I can smoke legally. There are so many different types of Cannibis for every ailment, I like the setup we have here..Users are informed on what types work best for whatever their symptoms are. I remember smoking pot on my own and sometimes feeling paranoid, sluggish are just plain lazy. Now that I'm more informed, I'm able to chose what works best for my body.

It's the same with alcohol, red wines get me drunk , where whites don't. I can't stand brown liquors, except brandies. I think being informed and know what works well for one's self is very important.

Phil-W
10-07-2007, 02:28 PM
My thought is that all illicit drugs should be made legal.

You've got to have some form of law in place to protect the weak and vulnerable. The question is not so much whether you have a law, but where you set the boundry for what is acceptable and what's not.

To my mind there's two broad reasons why people use drugs:

(a) For recreational purposes

or

(b) to escape their troubles.

If you make drugs easier to get by making them totally legal, you'll push up the number of people who use drugs as a refuge from their problems, rather than attempting to solve the problems themselves.

And that I suspect would result in a significant increase in OD's.

Phil.

ahmeerah
10-07-2007, 03:15 PM
I think they both should be legal.. Thankfully I leave in CA where I can smoke legally. There are so many different types of Cannibis for every ailment, I like the setup we have here..Users are informed on what types work best for whatever their symptoms are. I remember smoking pot on my own and sometimes feeling paranoid, sluggish are just plain lazy. Now that I'm more informed, I'm able to chose what works best for my body.

It's the same with alcohol, red wines get me drunk , where whites don't. I can't stand brown liquors, except brandies. I think being informed and know what works well for one's self is very important.

I can't wait to move to California. How is it legal for you to smoke it though?

On that show "Enterouge" I remember the guys trying to get membership to some club where it was legal to buy it because you got a doctor's prescription ... or something like that. But in REAL life, what is the deal?

423texas
10-07-2007, 04:16 PM
I can't wait to move to California. How is it legal for you to smoke it though?

On that show "Enterouge" I remember the guys trying to get membership to some club where it was legal to buy it because you got a doctor's prescription ... or something like that. But in REAL life, what is the deal?

Ditto

I have the same question as ahmeerah. How can you smoke it legally?

I thought that it is available only legally for medical reasons. Is that right?

Can anyone get a prescription, whether they really have a medical reason or not?;D

Finally, is possession of weed in Ca. now de facto legal for small amounts. IE if you are caught with a small amount (1/4 oz. or less), is it a definite that you won't be arrested, and that it will be either a warning or a ticket?

Thanks!

hyzenthflay
10-07-2007, 04:32 PM
Oddly, me and my 13 yr old brother just got off this conversation.

White & Nerdy
10-07-2007, 04:42 PM
My friend smokes pot every once in a while. He said all it does is make him giggle and gives him the munchies. "Reefer Madness" had a scene where a stoned guy hit some dude with his car. I don't recall any accidents due to people driving stoned.

BalletBaby
10-07-2007, 08:15 PM
Ever read about prohibition and how well that went over? Sky high rates of alcohol abuse and crime. Making booze illegal will not help anything, but I agree with legalizing marijuana.

Not to mention that they imported illegal alcohol with no standards. Drink a bad batch of booze and you could go blind, be paralyzed, or even die.

AlexxaHex
10-07-2007, 09:30 PM
And I'd rather be drunk (well, not falling-down-ridiculous drunk, but happily buzzing drunk) than high. This is definitely a mileage-may-vary situation. I've smoked plenty in my life, but after mid-to late college, pot just makes me incredibly anxious and paranoid.

I sit there and OBSESS about my life and everything that's wrong with it, and freak out that my every move and every word are being critiqued by all my friends, who I just now realized clearly despise me and only brought me there to mock me. Either that, or they used to like me, but now that I'm high, they can finally see the real me and are now amazed that they ever thought I was a decent human being. What a party! Woo! I spend the whole high anxiously waiting for it to be OVER and monitoring my behavior. It's exhausting. Give me a few beers any day.

But that's just me. YMMV. As for the legality, I think both should be legal and regulated (as in driving limits and so forth), period. As much as I don't enjoy pot anymore, I know plenty of people who do, and who also do so quite responsibly.

This is me too! I get cold, shaky, nervous, paranoid and usually start crying if I smoke pot. I didn't used to be like that. About 6 years ago, I used to smoke it all the time. Then I started getting all these negative problems with it.

I have asthma - neither smoking cigarettes nor weed has ever helped it in any capacity. Alcohol has never helped me with anything either than getting into confrontations and making a real ass of myself. It can all get flushed down the big, stinking toilet of humanity for all I care.

AlexxaHex
10-07-2007, 09:34 PM
p.s. - Welcome back, Sophie.

sxybrat07
10-07-2007, 09:40 PM
Eh, I don't think marijuana should be legal, but mine is a selfish reason: I'm allergic to it. I get sick as hell being around it, and I'd hate to have to be around it more than I already am.

As far as being better/worse than alcohol...I agree with the YMMV. I know some fucked up drunks and some fucked up potheads. So....

naughty_princess
10-07-2007, 10:48 PM
Ditto

I have the same question as ahmeerah. How can you smoke it legally?

I thought that it is available only legally for medical reasons. Is that right?

Can anyone get a prescription, whether they really have a medical reason or not?;D

Finally, is possession of weed in Ca. now de facto legal for small amounts. IE if you are caught with a small amount (1/4 oz. or less), is it a definite that you won't be arrested, and that it will be either a warning or a ticket?

Thanks!


I live in central california and i dont think it is easy to get prescribed, however I have heard of many cases of doctors who were prescribing it to anyone who went in but its not a common knowledge thing.

If you are caught with over an 1/8 (in multiple bags) of weed then the cops will simply make you throw it on the ground and step on it. then give you a brief talk, but there is not ticket or written warning. its happend many times to some of my friends, same thing everytime.

ahmeerah
10-08-2007, 06:12 AM
If you are caught with over an 1/8 (in multiple bags) of weed then the cops will simply make you throw it on the ground and step on it. then give you a brief talk, but there is not ticket or written warning. its happend many times to some of my friends, same thing everytime.

That happened to Turtle on Enterouge:) I guess that show was pretty accurate.

LadySoft
10-08-2007, 08:33 AM
Weed doesn't cause cancer. It has more chemicals than cigerrettes but it doesn't cause cancer. Infact it helps stunt the growth of cancerous cells. Because it does this, its important as a smoker for one to build their immune system.
There are 2 types of researches floating on the web. The false and the truth and I usually get my sources from a clinical journal or newspaper/magazine. those are more valid sources than just digging up anything, anywhere on the internet...I'm still yet to read about someone who dies from cancer just by smoking weed. I mean we hear of cigs. cases but there are no none weed cases

Yes weed is physically and mentally addictive, but the addiction is not extreme. For example, if you're a frequent smoker and decides to stop smoking, of course if its still in your system, you'll be hit with commom withdrawal syptoms like irritability, anxiety or lose of sleep, but the withdrawal symptoms are not that severe to the point where you have to get it or your system will shut down.

LadySoft
10-08-2007, 08:40 AM
My friend smokes pot every once in a while. He said all it does is make him giggle and gives him the munchies. "Reefer Madness" had a scene where a stoned guy hit some dude with his car. I don't recall any accidents due to people driving stoned.


Not to generalize or anything but when you are stoned, you tend to be more perceptive and sensitive to your surroundings. Thats why people hellucinate and get nervous especially when they around people. All these thoughts run in and out of your mind and you start thinking someone is thinking up something against you or what not. So a stoned person is more likely to be cautious behind the wheel than a drunk.
I remember the first time I smoked and got behind the wheel, i made sure i was driving slow, not creeping, because I was so stoned and I didn't wanna run anyone over.

ahmeerah
10-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Weed doesn't cause cancer. It has more chemicals than cigerrettes but it doesn't cause cancer. Infact it helps stunt the growth of cancerous cells. Because it does this, its important as a smoker for one to build their immune system.

I can see how weed can be noncancerous if it's not smoked. Like if it's eaten. Smoking anything is bad for lungs. The long term effect might be cancer.

Smoking weed doesn't promote health in someone who's otherwise healthy.

It would be great if it did though.

twisterinAZ
10-08-2007, 08:15 PM
The people you are around are idiots. I have asthma. I smoke (cigarettes) occassionaly. WHen I smoke I wake up feeling like crap...my lungs hurt. THe 3 times in my life I tried pot..I had an asthma atack bad enough to need my inhaler. One joint has TEN TIMES the carcinogens of a reg. cigarette. If you dont think thats bad for lungs that are already compromised....well..frankly you should just put on a helmet and call it a day.

But I'm sure your pothead friends are right. I"m sure they thing DOritos and Ding dongs are healthy too when they are high....

:smellie_l :smellie_l :smellie_l

Personally, I think the world would be better place if we all smoked a global joint. Maybe then we could all get along.

Sophie is back ?

AlexxaHex
10-08-2007, 09:06 PM
Anytime you smoke anything, it becomes a carcinogen. So yes, weed can cause and/or contribute to lung cancer.

jaizaine
10-09-2007, 12:54 AM
p.s. - Welcome back, Sophie.

do u guys think that ladysoft is sophiemarie??

Taylorlila
10-09-2007, 08:41 AM
Weed doesn't cause cancer. It has more chemicals than cigerrettes but it doesn't cause cancer. Infact it helps stunt the growth of cancerous cells. Because it does this, its important as a smoker for one to build their immune system.
There are 2 types of researches floating on the web. The false and the truth and I usually get my sources from a clinical journal or newspaper/magazine. those are more valid sources than just digging up anything, anywhere on the internet...I'm still yet to read about someone who dies from cancer just by smoking weed. I mean we hear of cigs. cases but there are no none weed cases

.

i've heard that before...its kind of interesting, though I don't know if its true or not.

whoever said weed shouldn't be legalized because they're allergic to it...thats kind of silly. We should just outlaw peanuts, shellfish, wheat, all medicines...anything that anybody might be allergic to then. I'm sure if weed were legal it would be regulated like cigarettes (you couldn't just light up a joint in the middle of mcdonalds) so if you were allergic to it you wouldn't be exposed to it everywhere you go.

britt244
10-09-2007, 08:44 AM
I'm sure if weed were legal it would be regulated like cigarettes (you couldn't just light up a joint in the middle of mcdonalds) so if you were allergic to it you wouldn't be exposed to it everywhere you go.

that isn't true though. people are exposed to cigarettes if they dont want to me, all states arent non smoking.

Taylorlila
10-09-2007, 10:27 AM
that isn't true though. people are exposed to cigarettes if they dont want to me, all states arent non smoking.

I know not all states are non smoking (though around here most of them are). But most restraunts have smoking sections at least, and nobody is forcing anybody to be in a bar filled with smokers. I think all states should go non smoking indoors so nobody has to say "oh I can't go out and have a good time because of the smoke" because of ashtma or whatever. People are obviously exposed to cigarette smoke when they don't want to...but not constantly. I'm just saying its silly to say marijuana should stay illegal because somebodies allergic to it. Nobodies forcing you to be around it...and there are lots of things people are allegic to.
I doubt if marijuana were legalized it would be allowed everywhere cigarettes are because of the affects of it, which 2nd hand smoke can still give you.

cameron_keys
10-09-2007, 10:37 AM
While I agree it shouldnt be illegal because someone is allergic(though I dont think she really meant that...just that SINCE shes allergic she wouldnt be sad to see it go)...smoke is differant from other allergens. I mean...you dont get secondhand peanuts or shellfish!LOL!

Taylorlila
10-09-2007, 10:54 AM
While I agree it shouldnt be illegal because someone is allergic(though I dont think she really meant that...just that SINCE shes allergic she wouldnt be sad to see it go)...smoke is differant from other allergens. I mean...you dont get secondhand peanuts or shellfish!LOL!


i dont know about you but i have peanut and clam fires all the time.lol. Good point I wasn't really thinking about that.

britt244
10-09-2007, 12:12 PM
hmm. well i wish it was legal because weed brownies are fun and since i will be on supervised probation thanks to my dui i'll have to be drug tested. boo.

Taylorlila
10-09-2007, 12:36 PM
^^

my mom makes pot brownies....soaked in 151...OMFG YUM! I love my mother. I don't mean she makes them all the time...but for special occassions lol.

LadySoft
10-09-2007, 08:31 PM
do u guys think that ladysoft is sophiemarie??

what do you think? Am I LadySoft or "sophiemarie"?

cameron_keys
10-09-2007, 08:44 PM
what do you think? Am I LadySoft or "sophiemarie"?


I think you are Sophie(or a damn good rendition of her) who now goes by ladysoft

twisterinAZ
10-09-2007, 08:44 PM
Thats the implication, isn't it ?

gingerlee
10-09-2007, 08:46 PM
I think you are Sophie(or a damn good rendition of her) who now goes by ladysoft

:yes:

LadySoft
10-09-2007, 08:51 PM
who is she? do i sound like her? what happened to her? I don't get it...LadySoft is very original.

twisterinAZ
10-09-2007, 08:58 PM
Sophiemarie WAS funny in a spooky ED kinda way.

austinatalie
10-10-2007, 12:05 AM
LOL at the SM controversy...

but back to the topic at hand, i find it interesting that no one here has mentioned the decriminalization of marijuana. This is the first logical step IMHO. Governments are loathe to make drastic changes. Decriminalize it first, so that its not legal, but its not quite illegal either. That way, business continues as usual, but people just stop getting thrown in jail for it. Maybe then it can become institutionalized at a later date.

Callyish
10-10-2007, 12:48 AM
who is she? do i sound like her? what happened to her? I don't get it...LadySoft is very original.

:banghead:

BrunetteGoddess
10-10-2007, 12:51 AM
Now now Cally, we have our own thread for that now ;)

Callyish
10-10-2007, 12:52 AM
Oh I know BG but I just had to... that comment made my head hurt :banghead:

BrunetteGoddess
10-10-2007, 12:55 AM
It actually literally made me LOL. Good thing I wasn't drinking something or I would have spit it at my monitor! :P

jaizaine
10-10-2007, 02:09 AM
what do you think? Am I LadySoft or "sophiemarie"?

I have no idea. I was not around when the sophiemarie was. Or if I was I missed the whole thing, can't remember which.

britt244
10-10-2007, 04:54 AM
^ you were here! because i was here! um, but thats an interesting question "who do YOU think i am?" it makes sense now.

xdamage
10-10-2007, 04:57 PM
All i have to say is, if its man-made, its not good for you...

Oh jeez...

pookie
10-10-2007, 05:00 PM
I don't think any drug should be illegal. Infact I think they should be legal. I don't think people should go to jail for using them. But i do think it should be required to take drugs test still to work certain jobs. I think if people were educated better about them and how they really effect it would be better. I don't like the fact that just coz the government can't control profits and such of drugs that they must be illegal

xdamage
10-10-2007, 05:22 PM
It's definitely not so simple for me. I'm not comfortable with any all or nothing position. It's another gray scale problem to me, and while it would be nice if there was a simple answer, a lot of what we deal with when it comes to social issues just isn't simple. All or nothing positions are like red-flags to me.

On that gray scale, I'd personally rank marijuana as fairly low in terms of risks, so I lean towards legalizing it (very strongly lean), but on that scale there are other drugs that have much greater risks of short and long term damage, and I'm not okay with people profiting off that. Of course if someone creates there own for their own use, and they end up with brain damage or a heart attack, well so be it... no need for jail, let them be mentally ill but deny them the rights to tax-paid-for health care for being stupid in the face of information that told them the risks.

Still, it's not so simple because what we do impacts on others. And even when it comes to drugs like marijuana, it's a fairly complex question as to who should not be able to use it in certain jobs, and how long they should have to wait after dosing before they can work again, and if there is long term damage (even just something as simple as decreased seretonin production), in some jobs people put others at risk for relatively long periods of time after using a recreational drug. A more immediate question - are you really okay with your airline pilot or surgeon being drugged recently or earlier if it increases his/her risk of 1.) falling asleep. 2.) a heart attack. 3.) slowed reaction times. 4.) having a depressive episode. 5.) hallucinating, 6.) Tremors, etc. Most of us would vote no, both to being high during duty and to long term effects.

And then there are the people that think because something is "natural" that it's "good" (or the inverse). Another incredibly simplistic and immature view of reality. They seemingly completely have forgotten that many plant and animals chemicals are poisonous to humans, and if they had learned evolution like they should have, that not only are they toxic, but they've evolved to be better deadly poisons.

Of course the problem there is most people again want simplistic all or nothing answers. They have trouble with concepts like chemicals that are not entirely poisonous, but not entirely safe either. The gray middle area just leaves their minds reeling in discomfort and they want to categorize everything in terms of safe/unsafe.