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You know you're a veteran when...
You get asked to train the 18 year-old newb. I'm really glad I got a chance to help this girl out. (I'm only 25 btw!!! UGH!)
I know I might have a lot of opposition when I say this, but after spending an entire shift with "Kelly," I really think dancing should be for those 21+. The girl wasn't "dumb" but rather extremely EXTREMELY naive. And I'm not saying it was all her falt, b/c men going into the SC many times prey on the young ones. I was able to show her and explain to her many things, such as how to give an LD, where to dance, what to do in case of problems, etc. But you can't "show" somebody how to answer a question, or "show" somebody the communication skills that only someone with more life experience could answer.
It was bad. We sat down for a while near the stage so I could explain things while she got an idea of how to dance...she couldn't even concentrate on what I was saying b/c of how explicit/foreign/sexy/etc. she thought the dancing was on stage. (there was nothing unusual..no nudity, touching of oneself, etc...just the same 'ol btw).
Im thinking to myself : if she thinks the dancing on stage is crazy, just wait 'till she sees what an LD is!!
And the concept of hustling was totally impossible to help her out with. I kept saying to her over and over..."you're not here to make friends or boyfriends...this is your J-O-B and you're here for money. I filled her in on how to set standards and have goals, none of which she understood.
She didn't understand what it means to "pay the house." (you have to PAY to work here? Why?)...I tried my best to explain; it consumed my entire shift and I barely made tip out.
Sorry if this is kind of a rant, and i know that not every person is of her mentality. I guess it just freaked me out and makes me wonder what the future holds for her..... it also makes me realize what a thick skin we all grow by having this profession.
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That sucks that you had to waste your whole shift teaching her.. :-\ When I started, I wasn't ever paired up with anyone. I hadn't been inside a strip club until I auditioned, but I had a few friends who danced who gave me some pointers beforehand. They just put me on the floor.. Lol, I had to track the manager down to ask how much the dance prices were!
She probably won't last long, or hopefully she'll turn out to be a quicker learner than she seemed to be.
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Bullllllshit. I can't believe the club made you sacrifice your night to do that! Well, I can, but...
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"I look back on where I'm from, look at the woman I've become, and the strangest things seem suddenly routine.............."
Hedwig
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my club always asks me to let the new girls tag along with me. i decline, for a number a reasons.
1. i don't tell my hustle secrets to ANYONE.
2. i'm not a babysitter
3. i'm not getting $ if i'm trying to help her make $
and besides, newbies don't do a good double dance, so trying to sell those would be a dissapointment/joke to the custy.
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Yeah I guess they paired her with me b/c the mngr said i was one of the only "nice girls" and that the other girls were giving her attitude and making comments and being really bitchy to her (I came in late so I didnt get to see or heae any of it....)
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I've had to start my fair share of rookies... and honestly I really think 18 is too young to start. Some of these girls are just so naive... its sad.
Glad to see you were nice enough to help this girl out. Sorry you lost a night of earnings :(
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Lame. I think I would have told the management up front, "Yeah, I'll do it, but she's getting half an hour with me, and no more." There's no reason you should be made to waste your whole night on some chick that probably won't last more than a month at the club anyway.
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Imma dork, I love training newbs. I like to make sure that they don't become custy-stealin, extras-doin lil skanks.... at least not while I'm around LOL!!!
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I can't believe your club expected you to waste your time training her, and then still expected a tip-out. What was in it for you? I would have demanded free house fees or something for my time.
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Originally Posted by
Andygirl
"I look back on where I'm from, look at the woman I've become, and the strangest things seem suddenly routine.............."
Hedwig
andygirl, i totally love you....
hedwig is my not so guilty pleasure....i have the limited edition movie poster, soundtrack, and of course, dvd!
lol....sorry to sidetrack....
<3
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I don't mind helping to show someone the ropes, but it's a good idea to tell the girl, "This is a sink or swim, high-pressure job. If you have to tag along, you're not going to be able to hack it. You learn by watching and doing."
The last newbie I helped was a construction worker by day, motivated earner by night, so she didn't cut into my time & I actually adored her. I hope to see her again soon.
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I met a girl dancing who was still in high school once, and I was a little disturbed by it.
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See, I started when I was 18 (almost 19), and while I was naive, I was a fast learner. but I also started in a super low pressure, stage dancing only club. I couldnt imagine starting in a LD club. I would have been so over my head.
I've helped a few new girls over my time dancing, but I wouldn't have spent a whole night with her unless I got a free flat or something. Most of the ones I've helped have been really nice, but indeed seemed very naive, but in a way where they didn't seem to *want* to learn.
I think being able to start dancing at 18 is fine, but I think managers need to take more time with the girl and explain more things before they put them on the floor and in our hair.
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I think if this girl was 30+ you'd have had the same issues w/ her.
some people are just morons.
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-We have one or two girls I usually ask to show a newb the ropes. 5-10 minutes, tops, to explain rotation, dance rules, music crap, etc. Generally, that's all it takes. Also, I've worked in 21+ clubs, and (mostly) 18+ clubs. Stupid doesn't have an age limit. Naive kinda does, but there's a fine line. Don't waste your moneymaking time, if you do this again. I'm sure everyone would like a mentor, but at some point baby birds have to fly, right?
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i dont think i have ever worked in a club where they even suggested this. they just throw you in with the sharks.
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Originally Posted by
absolutbliss
I'm really glad I got a chance to help this girl out...
I know I might have a lot of opposition when I say this, but after spending an entire shift with "Kelly," I really think dancing should be for those 21+. The girl wasn't "dumb" but rather extremely EXTREMELY naive. And I'm not saying it was all her falt, b/c men going into the SC many times prey on the young ones...
I guess it just freaked me out and makes me wonder what the future holds for her..... it also makes me realize what a thick skin we all grow by having this profession.
I know what you did was an entirely different sort of thing, but I love working closely with newbies, and trying to get them to relax--especially by finding music that speeds up the process. Most DJs I knew in Daytona didn't like it, but i always thought they were a bit jaded for feeling this way.
I do agree with the idea they should be older before starting--the younger ones always seem to have a harder time with it. Though most of the long term vets I have known started at a very young age (a surprisingly large number at the age of 16-7, too), in general the young ones either cannot cut the tough conditions, or they think they can a little too quickly and wind up copping an attitude with amazing speed.
I recently saw this with a couple of very young Russian dancers--within the space of 2-3 weeks they went from being delightful, joyous little energetic coquettes who were really easy to work with, to being a pain in the ass--and extremely demanding with the music! Hopefully they will outgrow this as well, without it taking too long, lol.
I consequently told a very, very cool veteran Siberian dancer to look after another new young Russian dancer, in hopes she will help the girl avoid some of the pitfalls, and keep her from becoming a pain in the ass as well.
My use of sign language as I tried to explain how dancing can warp your thinking about people must have been interesting to watch, especially the part where I indicated with a sweep of my hand the customers in the crowded club (trying to do so discretely), made the bowing and scraping motions of fawning servile supplicants, pointed to my head, and shook it as in 'not good', lol.
The Siberian dancer got it, and got a big smile, and started talking really fast to the new girl, who also got a big smile--it was pretty funny
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Originally Posted by
Lola Rose
I think if this girl was 30+ you'd have had the same issues w/ her.
some people are just morons.
Lol, that's what I was thinking!
Still you did a good thing TRYING to help her.
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Originally Posted by
Lola Rose
I think if this girl was 30+ you'd have had the same issues w/ her.
some people are just morons.
There is that, as well. I have seen the same transition I described above with women in their late 20's, early 30's who just started dancing. Usually it takes somewhere in the neighborhood of a month or two, though, 2-3 weeks was faster, but the young ones tend to be a bit more susceptible.
What's interesting as well is the reaction of the customers, and the reaction of the 'newbies beginning to cop an attitude' to the customers' reaction. Those Russian girls got really good at instantly taking the guys right in, it was pretty impressive.
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Well I'm 19, started dancing at 19, and though I know I still have a lot to learn and will get better with time, I wouldn't say I'm too naive to be doing this. I also went through a few things in life that made me grow up a little faster than others. Not all of us "babies" are that naive. I never got to be "trained" either. The manager explained pricing, how the rotation worked, tip out, and the rules and said I could go on stage when I felt comfortable, so I marched right up to the DJ booth. I can't imagine deciding to work as a stripper when you find naked women dancing so shocking...lol.
That was very nice of you to train her though and take up your time.
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wow they offer "training" at the expense of one of their "nicer" girls shifts? They are so kind....My "training" consisted of one sentence...everything they say to you is the most facinating thing you've ever heard. And i was thrown to the wolves...That wasnice of you to give up your whole shift...I agree with thosewho said they don't mind giving a fewminutes of help...i remember that i was CLUELESS,I repeat CLUELESS, so i do liketo helpbut not for my whole shift. You will be gifted good stripper Karma!
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Argh. I had to have "training" at the new club. They made some girl show me around and go up on stage with me for like, the first HOUR. Boring. Though the stage rotation is a little weird and there are a number of rooms, staircases, etc, so I guess it was good in some ways. I don't mind getting a tour and a run down of rules and prices.
She got her house fee waived.
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I think it's a shame that more clubs DON'T make any effort to help out/train newbies in any way. I ALSO agree that expecting you to spend HOURS on it is unfair and extreme, but it seems to me that there could be a middle ground that's best for everyone.
Like in Roseleigh's experience above, they should have at least waived your fees for the night. And also limited your training time to an hour, with maybe the option to ask you questions as they arose.
I think it's a good thing, ultimately, even if it really shouldn't have hurt your own shift (sorry about that aspect of it). I can't help thinking that there'd be fewer girls sitting cluelessly with non-paying customers for hours, fewer girls being lax about contact, fewer girls giving extras, even (think about ho many customers try to tell US what to do - a naive newb might actually believe their shit), if a little training took place in the beginning.
Soon enough, though, Maxine is right, the ability to watch and learn becomes the make-it-or-break-it factor.
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When everyone asks you about everything. The club rules, what it was like back in the day (5 yrs ago). When every new girl tries way too hard to try and be your friend. It gets really annoying. I think the best part is that no one sits at my spot at the mirror. As soon as I walk in they get their asses off my seat and actually apologize for sitting there }:D