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Ellen DeGeneres sad dog story
http://tv.yahoo.com/contributor/3346..._degeneres__ER
*Sorry guys I got a little ranty here...* :'(
I found this article and I though it was very sad. I watched the video of her crying talking about it. How sad for those 2 girls! Because an outside party is hell-bent on making sure every detail in one dog's life is to their approval, they don't get the happiness and joy of their pet anymore. Sure, we can talk about the bad people who abuse animals but that does not apply here. Illogical!
I made the conscience choice many years ago to never adopt from this type of rescue organization. By this type, I mean the process and nosing around in your life. I know that I'm a good person who does not mistreat animals, so I do not feel the need to be supervised by someone just because I want to bring an animal into my life. I feel that is just too much. Ellen's story is an example of when it becomes just too much.
This is an emotional hot button for some, I know. I get really ranty when it comes to the protection and welfare of those who cannot protect themselves. I have no problem with the fact that these types of rescue organizations exist, they do good. At the same time, they turn off some of the best candidates because some of the rules and processes are too nosey and too pushy.
I had a rescue organization want to visit my home (no problem there, just wipe your feet, lol), measure my fences, know my job and schedule (they don't need to know my job!) and do visits throughout the year. I told them no thank you and best wishes. I went to the local Vet and adopted from there instead.
Okay, I'm done ranting about this. Thanks for reading! ;D
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I am hesitant to read the article coz i will be sad if something bad happened to any aminals.
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That's why I didn't post it. Just in case it was too sad.
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I just ranted in another thread about ppl hurting aminals too.
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Well this one isn't about an animal being hurt, the dog was taken away even though it was being cared for and treated well.
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Yeah I understand the point behind what they did(they screen adopters well and dont want unscreened and possibly undesirable people adopting)but COME ON. Could they not have post-screened the family and qualified them then???? If for nothing else then to avoid all this bad press.
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For those who didn't want to click the link...basically, Ellen adopted a dog. It didn't work out, so she gave away the dog to her hairdresser. The organization said that if an animal didn't work out, it had to be sent back to the organization. So they went and confiscated the dog.
The organization was absolutely right.
First off, Ellen signed a contract saying she would turn the dog over. She apparantly didn't read that, and passed the dog off.
Secondly, the organization has no clue if the new owner is any good. It wasn't a close friend or relative of Ellen's...it was her hairdresser. Would you know if your hairdresser was a good dog owner? I know I wouldn't have a clue. And so she had goods, big deal. Children or not, it is the organization's mission to ensure the animal's welfare. I know plenty of people, with childrenw ho love the dog, who neglect it or are mean to it. And for these organizations, it often takes a few weeks of screening.
And they are absolutely right to ask about hours and jobs. They don't want the dog to go to a home where the owner is gone for 16 hours a day, or travels for weeks at a time several times over the year.
And they better require owners to turn the dogs back over if it doesn't work out; so many people, who are very well meaning, will say "free to good home", and have the dog end up starving or neglected. I worked at a similar rescue, and many of the people who just gave the dog to someone they knew, the dog ended up in a fighting ring. I know this isn't the case here, but I dont blame the group for being careful.
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^^ She said she IS friends with her hairdresser and she sees her every day. More then most of us see our friends. I"m sure, being an animal lover Ellen woudlnt have given the dog away unless she knew damn well it was a good home.
Like I said..I understand why they have that clause. But they could have screened the new family and contracted to them. Maybe fined Ellen for violating the contract. I'm sure she would happily pay a fine rather then have a puppy ripped out of the arms of 2 little girls.
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If they take away the dog just because of a little rule broken, that's sort of silly. they shouldve just said "look you've broken this rule, this is not right...but we will evaluate this other family it's with, and if we think it's a suitable family for the puppy, we'll let them keep it."
Lots of animal right people can get waay too over-zealous. I understand they're trying to protect the animals, but somtimes when they try to make up all these tons of rules, and have them followed to a T...that's a bit too extreme, and yes it turns people off.
There was an animal shelter I wanted to adopt from, and like with Genevive, they wanted to know all kinds of info. they wanted both roommates to come in and say they ok the cat being part of the apartment...I mean, come on, they're not going to take time off from work and travel across town just because they have to have it done in person...over the phone oking it wasn't good enough. Eeks. Plus their fees were very high...I went to the not-as-fancy-but-suitable humane society that was city-run...it's not a glamorous place, but found a beautiful, healthy cat.
Hopefully we find out the details in Ellen's case, and find out if that organization was being totally unreasonable and hysterical, or if it had good reasons for taking the dog away from that family. Yuuck!
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Most animal adoption organizations state that the animal you adopt is NOT to be given away or sold to anyone else. They do this because they want to make sure the animal goes to and stays in a good environment. Otherwise, it's easy for someone to adopt an animal, get sick of it, and then give it away to someone who doesn't take good care of it.
BUT, in this situation, it was pretty ridiculous of them to just take the dog away. They definitely could have evaluated the new family to decided whether or not the dog would be happy there. Now the dog is probably sitting in shelter with other animals waiting to be adopted.
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Originally Posted by
cameron_keys
^^ She said she IS friends with her hairdresser and she sees her every day. More then most of us see our friends. I"m sure, being an animal lover Ellen woudlnt have given the dog away unless she knew damn well it was a good home.
Like I said..I understand why they have that clause. But they could have screened the new family and contracted to them. Maybe fined Ellen for violating the contract. I'm sure she would happily pay a fine rather then have a puppy ripped out of the arms of 2 little girls.
well therein lies the dilemma.
for every ellen there remains the other people that take on the adoption and for whatever reason cant come to the terms of the contract.
i rescued my horse and had to sign a contract stating i would never give her up except to the rescue organization.
i think that is the right thing to do.
i'm not fucking famous and furthermore how would MY rescue know that i could "vouch" for someone else.
answer ....
they wouldn't.
they would have to go thru the same channels as i and anyone else would have to do.
furthermore again. i wouldn't trust any rescue group that didnt do the same as hers did.
apparently she is so famous and beyond the rules of the normal person that she didnt even recall signing the adoption agreement.
not to mention that AFTER taking on the commitment of the dog in question. she couldnt deal with it. boo fucking hoo.
to add insult to injury she goes out publicly and slurs the rescues name. because SHE couldnt take care of the dog.
it's ....reprehensible, and to add the so sad story of the little girls. ohh. well next time joe blow comes in and says... but but but. the little girls.we should just give them right up
i liked ellen alot before this. guess what? screw you throw away celebrity
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velvet
well therein lies the dilemma.
for every ellen there remains the other people that take on the adoption and for whatever reason cant come to the terms of the contract.
i rescued my horse and had to sign a contract stating i would never give her up except to the rescue organization.
i think that is the right thing to do.
i'm not fucking famous and furthermore how would MY rescue know that i could "vouch" for someone else.
answer ....
they wouldn't.
they would have to go thru the same channels as i and anyone else would have to do.
furthermore again. i wouldn't trust any rescue group that didnt do the same as hers did.
apparently she is so famous and beyond the rules of the normal person that she didnt even recall signing the adoption agreement.
not to mention that AFTER taking on the commitment of the dog in question. she couldnt deal with it. boo fucking hoo.
to add insult to injury she goes out publicly and slurs the rescues name. because SHE couldnt take care of the dog.
it's ....reprehensible, and to add the so sad story of the little girls. ohh. well next time joe blow comes in and says... but but but. the little girls.we should just give them right up
i liked ellen alot before this. guess what? screw you throw away celebrity
I dont think Ellen is pulling a celeb-diva thing. She isnt the type. I think she honestly didnt see that in the paperwork and when she found that the dog didnt fit into her family she gave him to a friend knowing full well the friend would provide a good home.
And from what she says..it wasnt that she "couldnt deal with it" after she brought the dog home. The dog didnt get along with her cats. She tried to make it work...but she didnt want to risk the cats getting hurt by the dog so she couldnt keep him
I agree that the clause is a good one to protect the animal from being given to bad people. BUT. In this case....they could easily have taken Ellen to task and fined her, while putting the family through their screening process. Maybe even removing the dog until the family passes their criteria..then adopted to them.
And I think thats not a bad idea for most people, not just because Ellen is a celeb.
But to take the dog away from a family that loves it is just wrong. Now they have to work to adopt it out to someone else...when there is a family that already wants the dog. Just screen THEM. If they dont pass..they fine. IF they do..then he has a home.
No differant then adopting to someone else.
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well maybe i missed something? has anyone said the family cant have the dog now?
i disagree about letting her off. just becasue she is famous dosnt make her any diffrent. it's not about "in this case".she broke the rules the rescue acted on their policy. period.
the dog is a puppy. if it doesnt go back to the hairdresser family it will be fine. harsh sounding i know but it's true.
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velvet
well maybe i missed something? has anyone said the family cant have the dog now?
i disagree about letting her off. just becasue she is famous dosnt make her any diffrent. it's not about "in this case".she broke the rules the rescue acted on their policy. period.
the dog is a puppy. if it doesnt go back to the hairdresser family it will be fine. harsh sounding i know but it's true.
Yes. The rescue said they dont allow families with children under 14 to adopt small dogs. The kids were I believe 11 and 12. So they cant have him back.
We are going to have to agree to disagree about the rest.
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i didnt think my post went through. sw was acting wacky.
now i know that they dont allow families with children under 14 to adopt. that is a little strict.
however, i cant believe a celebrity of all people wouldnt have read a CONTRACT.
my post last night was umm a little heated (cherrybombs FTW!) sorry about that part anyway.
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velvet
i didnt think my post went through. sw was acting wacky.
now i know that they dont allow families with children under 14 to adopt. that is a little strict.
however, i cant believe a celebrity of all people wouldnt have read a CONTRACT.
my post last night was umm a little heated (cherrybombs FTW!) sorry about that part anyway.
No problem. I can believe it though. I'm sure she has adopted pets before and just assumed it was a standard adoption agreement. Plus you never know what the circumstances were...maybe they were rushing her, maybe they told her "its standand stuff so just sign" maybe she was just over excited at the idea of a new pet.
I cant say I havent signed contracts without reading every word in it....even though I've certainly signed enough to know better.
Anyway. It's over..the dog has been given to someone else.They wont get it back.
I am all for strict laws and rules when it comes to adopting pets....but there ARE exceptions. Some things you take on a case by case basis and are certainly not making a good name for their organization by being so strict.(apparently the rescue owners have gotten death threats over this)
Was it worth it? The dog was in a good home. He would have been loved and cared for and had a good life.
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Sorry, don't mean to thread jack, but if the Governmental Child Welfare system were as strict with placing of children and screening of foster/adoptive parents as this group is with their dogs/animals...there would be a lot fewer abusive foster/adoptive homes.
That being said...that agency is just off it's rocker. Yes, it is good that they want to know where the dog is...however, they went over the top. Like others have said, they could have evaluated this family to see if it was a place they wanted the puppy to live. Especially since this pup was being well-cared for. It's not like they went there and the dog was chained to a tree with no food/water and sitting in it's own poop. To just take it back with no evaluation or anything is just a tad bit...insane.
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^^^
they have a policy of no childern under 14 in the adoptive home.
so since that is the policy they wouldnt need or want to evaluate that home.
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I wonder if there is any basis for age discrimination in their policies.
That's just absurd. I'm sorry...just plain crazy. Some of the best dog lovers are kids. And by going and evaluating the family, they can see how the family allows the children to treat the dog/puppy.
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Yeah its a contract, but its not like she gave the dog to someone who was neglecting or abusing it. THAT should be the MAIN issue.
Yet so many people adopt and mistreat the animals and they dont get them taken away.
Regardless of the contract, I think its fucking crap what they (the organization) did. They could have checked out the lady and made sure the dog was in a good home.
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Originally Posted by
cameron_keys
^^ She said she IS friends with her hairdresser and she sees her every day. More then most of us see our friends. I"m sure, being an animal lover Ellen woudlnt have given the dog away unless she knew damn well it was a good home.
Like I said..I understand why they have that clause. But they could have screened the new family and contracted to them. Maybe fined Ellen for violating the contract. I'm sure she would happily pay a fine rather then have a puppy ripped out of the arms of 2 little girls.
Thats what I wanted to say. lol Thanks
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VenusGoddess
Sorry, don't mean to thread jack, but if the Governmental Child Welfare system were as strict with placing of children and screening of foster/adoptive parents as this group is with their dogs/animals...there would be a lot fewer abusive foster/adoptive homes.
SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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VenusGoddess
I wonder if there is any basis for age discrimination in their policies.
That's just absurd. I'm sorry...just plain crazy. Some of the best dog lovers are kids. And by going and evaluating the family, they can see how the family allows the children to treat the dog/puppy.
There is a basis. It's only for small dogs that the age limit is there because small dogs can be seriously hurt by small children who dont know not to play rough with a tiny animal.
But these kids were old enough to know better and the dog was fine. I dont know why 14 is a magic age. I understand not knowing how to treat a dog as a toddler...but by the time a kid is 10 or 11 they are old enough to know better. Why is it 14? What an arbitrary age.
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cameron_keys
There is a basis. It's only for small dogs that the age limit is there because small dogs can be seriously hurt by small children who dont know not to play rough with a tiny animal.
But these kids were old enough to know better and the dog was fine. I dont know why 14 is a magic age. I understand not knowing how to treat a dog as a toddler...but by the time a kid is 10 or 11 they are old enough to know better. Why is it 14? What an arbitrary age.
Yeah I could understand maybe no kids under 8 maybe? Even THEN they know how... but 14? Come on.
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Originally Posted by
cameron_keys
There is a basis. It's only for small dogs that the age limit is there because small dogs can be seriously hurt by small children who dont know not to play rough with a tiny animal.
But these kids were old enough to know better and the dog was fine. I dont know why 14 is a magic age. I understand not knowing how to treat a dog as a toddler...but by the time a kid is 10 or 11 they are old enough to know better. Why is it 14? What an arbitrary age.
So, what would happen if I had a 15 and a 16 year old...got a puppy and then 1 year after that, got "surprised" and had a new baby. Would they take the dog out of our house because now we would have a new baby in the house?
It's stupid. You eval the family and see how they handle/treat the dog. Even if there are toddlers. We've never allowed our kids handle the cats rough. They do, sure...but it's always an immediate correction and if they don't start being gentle (or don't know how) we remove the child or animal to another room.
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i just read an interview with bill o reilly and the resuce's attorney.
he says that ellen threw a fit and refuesed as well as the family to fill out an adoption aggrement. the said they WERE considering the family for the dog.
i fucking knew it, i knew she was acting like a spoiled celebrity.