Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
BALTIMORE (Nov. 1) -Members of a fundamentalist Kansas church ordered to pay nearly $11 million in damages to a grieving father smiled as they walked out of the courtroom, vowing that the verdict would not deter them from protesting at military funerals.
I hate these idiots with a passion, but there's no way that verdict is going to stand up in appeals court. It would be setting a bad precedent for the rest of us if it did.
Worse yet, this gives these idiots exactly the sort of publicity that they want.
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
^ But they have to spend to appeal it.
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
The church (family) is made up almost entirely of attorneys. They sue people all the time. I'm not sure if they ever win or not.
All but one member of that church is related to Fred Phelps. It will likely die out when Fred dies as the younger generation refuses to marry (probably couldn't get a date if their lives depended on it) thereby ending the family hatred.
I actually feel kind of sorry for them. They must be one sad sorry little group only ever seeing the worst in people due to their own way of engaging society in such a hateful manner.
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
I always imagine Fred Phelps dying and going to the pearly gates, and God grabbing him by the collar and saying "What in the *hell* were you thinking? Did I tell you that you could be my spokesman?"
It makes me feel a little better....
Lynn
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
I like to think that when Fred Phelps first goes to heaven, he will be greeted by this.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...naldMcGTFO.jpg
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
What they are saying is not that exotic. Lots of people HATE gays, the WBC just has the courage to admit it. Tons of people say all sorts of bigoted and racist things behind closed doors. Some people just have the integrity to do it publicly.
Only recently have seminaries and such theological moorheads pretended to be so liberal about sexual values. Before gays became a sacred cow of politics, it was common to hear diatribes against gays in churches of all denominations.
The Bible is remarkably clear on homosexuality. Much more clear than it is on many other topics. Homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals will NOT get into heaven. Period. So if you adhere to the Old testament world view, well, then maybe God really does hate fags. I'm an atheist who doesn't really care what people do sexually, but I don't count.
Jesus even said that you will known you are doing his work when you are hated and stoned.
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Originally Posted by Cameron_keys
I don't agree. Causing a disturbance and deliberately upsetting people ...especially at such a sensitive time as a funeral should NOT be allowed. Im all for free speech..but these people are crossing the line. What if they upset one of the mourners so much they committed suicide over it? Would you still think it was ok?
The law is the way it is for exactly this reason. Free speech is a wonderful thing and I treasure it. But there has to SOME line or you just have anarchy and chaos. And that line is harassment. Which this clearly was.
Awwww, don't confuse anarchy(no ruler) with chaos. I'm an anarchist, but not a "chaosist".
As I said above, if I wanted to experience a funeral in privacy, I would do it privately, not on public land or public cemeteries where such protestations can occur because the streets are ambiguous in terms of privacy rules. And thankfully so, or else more than anti-gay slogans would be attacked. America has a long history of having dissent being suppressed, and gate-way laws are often how they get/got started.
And thus, the line we need is revealed: the removal of ambiguous situations like "public" property, and the extension of private property everywhere. The government owning the streets gives it tremendous power over us, including the power to decide which protests are politically incorrect(Phelps, anti-war stuff at times) and which are politically correct(pro-war, State worship, etc).
If somebody committed suicide because of a protest, I wouldn't think it was the protesters fault. Same for when a girl breaks up with a guy and he commit suicide because "he can't live without her." Unless they perfored some physically aggressive action to motivate it("kill yourself or i'll kill your woman"), it's on the suicide committer.
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Originally Posted by DJ Machismo
I personally would rather be called a Nazi and be sent to jail rather than tolerate idiots who have nothing better to do than protest a fucking funeral.
If I have to lose some of my freedoms so that these asshats can no longer act like complete and fucking tools, lesser of two evils I say.
Fear not, cuz I'll be the first one to do so.
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
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Originally Posted by
Paris
All but one member of that church is related to Fred Phelps. It will likely die out when Fred dies as the younger generation refuses to marry (probably couldn't get a date if their lives depended on it) thereby ending the family hatred.
Wow...I didn't know that. Ya think maybe its like the male politicians who have been turning up lately who are always voting against gay rights, then it turns out that they are getting a little dick on the down low?
It never occurred to me that maybe Fred and his church are all gay, and are just fronting because they're ashamed of it.
Interesting...
Lynn
Re: Westwood Baptist Church - Rev (WTF!!) Fred Phelps
I would not be surprised to see this overturned. Fred is a former lawyer, disbarred for unethical practices. His kids are lawyers or very close, still on the bar. He's not dumb.