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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
skeets45
Still, how do you know it is OK to touch and how far can you go in good taste?
over the years I have had dancers that really get into it, a few that kissed me and wow was that a turn on during a dance, but how far is too far?
Did anyone ever try to answer you?
You know it's OK to touch by watching what is going on around you. And by touching and not being told to stop. Obviously if you're in a no or low contact club you'll know pretty soon.
I don't know about this "how far can you go in good taste" business. It's your good taste, so, don't do anything you'd regret later, I guess. That's an unusual thing for a customer to ask. Like a stripper, you should know in advance what you're OK with and what you're not, rather than trying to change boundaries in the midst of the club environment surrounded by alcohol and boobs.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
Phil-W
Being on the other side of the Atlantic to you makes me awfully brave. ;)
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Originally Posted by
Jenny
Dude, I totally go to the UK. I have a dual citizenship and everything.
Opps...
If Jenny comes to the UK and she's miffed with me, you'll see a quick bout of my religous convictions - I'm a devout coward!
Phil.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
First and formost... Mr_punk, I am a very aggressive person when it comes to what I want( sex and intimacy). But I am still a descent human being not a deviant, in this business the customer is not right, and the dancers are still people, and their own rights as humans still exist. If you want that kind of interaction go get a hooker....
I bet that you are that kind of person that grabs the waitresses ass.
If I ran across you in a bar, how would you feel if I came up and grabbed you and decided to place you on my lap, and proceeded to grope and grab your junk with intention of molesting you?
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
This time I'll be nice...
Now every club despite it's name gives rules that are either bast on the county or state laws, and even then the clubs have there own derivative of those rules that either match those rules or go under what the law requires. Now on top of that the individuals of that club have their own boundaries ( that is what i call a human being right). And the only exceptions to that maybe in Mexico or in the Orient.
Aside from that each dancer has their own right to set their own boundaries.
If at some time you got extra privileges that lady set her boundaries very low, or she had not known she had the right to do so... That to me is like taking advantage of a little child, and I am not to kind to molesting childern...
So please keep in mind this business is a tease, an acting out of a fantasy, not the real thing....
So please respect the girls, be polite, and ask for the privilege, and respect their wishes......
And always tip well they like that( this is still a service just not the kind you think, you are paying for a show not a hooker).
If people cant remember that shoot your self in the head or go to the street corner and take a chance at Lusty Russian Roulette.
As an old friend of mine used to say"Welcome to my house, if you can't be nice I'll make you leave. "...CHIEF TOTEMPOLE
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
LOL....i guess it's time for SCJ's Annual "Stripper Poses as a Customer" Contest.
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
If I ran across you in a bar, how would you feel if I came up and grabbed you and decided to place you on my lap, and proceeded to grope and grab your junk with intention of molesting you?
i have a small criticism here. if you're going try and pass as a customer. you should never, never, never, ever make this kind of statement to another customer. otherwise, no guy is going to listen or respond to what you're saying because they're thinking...http://www.xxxporntalk.com/ubbthread...ns/brandon.gif
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
Now every club despite it's name gives rules that are either bast on the county or state laws, and even then the clubs have there own derivative of those rules that either match those rules or go under what the law requires.
another small criticism. it's important to keep in mind that WE'RE NOT STRIPPERS! the average sc customer doesn't go around thinking about laws. we go to sc to let our hind brain take over and relax. we let the strippers worry about that stuff. OTOH, if i was, hypothetically speaking, up on a stage, shaking my money maker for a dollar in front of a bunch of alcoholic, middle aged divorcees. i would be concerned about the law. especially, as it applies to touching another person hair. you know, i work very hard on my hair and i'm tired of these old bags messing up...uh. never mind, you get the point.
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
But I am still a descent human being not a deviant, in this business the customer is not right, and the dancers are still people, and their own rights as humans still exist. If you want that kind of interaction go get a hooker....
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
So please keep in mind this business is a tease, an acting out of a fantasy, not the real thing....
okay, in addition to belittling your fellow sex worker. the words "tease", "striptease", "fantasy", "entertainer", and "artiste" are dead giveaways that you're a stripper. in the future, let's try to correct that.
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
So please respect the girls, be polite, and ask for the privilege, and respect their wishes......
uhhh...let's try not to channel your inner jenny here. you see, when you try to lecture and correct guys down here about what you deem to be a lack of feminine sensitivity and PC. they chuckle, roll their eyes and all sorts of acrid, sarcastic, and derisive responses just flow uncontrollably from their fingers and over the keyboard.
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
This time I'll be nice...
oh, i'm not even going to bother. so, the next time i see you down here. i'm going to rip you a new one so bloody. the next time aunt flo comes for a visit. you're going to need two tampons. see? that's how it's done.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
^^^ Mr P thats some fine analysis. U must be the fellow in Jeff's inner circle deciphering what claudia is realing saying in her emails to him!!!
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Originally Posted by
Susan Wayward
You know it's OK to touch by watching what is going on around you. And by touching and not being told to stop.
Yep thats the recipe right there!!!
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
ladies,
thanks for the input. Although the conversation went way out of the area I wanted, a few of you did a great job bringing it back to the question.
I think this verifies that I have been doing it right.
Every time I go in to the club I enjoy a drink and the stage show for about 30 minutes before I get my first lap. I try to watch other dances (which is getting tougher since most clubs are going to private dance areas) and see what is going on.
I know this is a financial transaction, but I try to treat the women with courtesy and a little love, I just think that is part of respect. Still, it is tough to wait 30 minutes, especially when the club is slow because the dancers are really pushing for action and some get downright angry if your not buying.
Cheers!
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
Lapaholic
^^^ Mr P thats some fine analysis.
I agree, great analysis Mr P.
BSSJr also struck me as a construct.
We could start a poll with several options on who it might be....
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
Well I am sorry to let you down in your ingenious deduction, but I am very male. So maybe I let the male race down for having decency, I assure you any one that knows me could tell you, I am more man than most will ever meet. Well there was that one time I dressed as a Catholic School Girl for work and scared every one and to-boot won the costume contest. Nope still a dude. Just to be sure let me check again..............yup as I thought a Dude...
So if you would like to know I have been a"bouncer" for 12 years, and in the industry for about 8 years as a"DJ", and Manager among other things.
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2...match_pic2.jpg
You may not believe me but yup that is all me, 6'7", and 335 lbs of me.
So now you know I am along time patron, long time worker....
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^^^ Wow if u r 6'7" then the guy in the pic must be over 8 feet tall ...lol
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
Svelt
I agree, great analysis Mr P. BSSJr also struck me as a construct. We could start a poll with several options on who it might be....
LOL....<shrug> who cares? seriously, this isn't the first person to pull this stunt. the most retarded thing about it is they take the time to create a new account and they get busted after two or three posts. so, why even bother? they might as well just save themselves the trouble and just come out and say it, instead of hiding behind an alias. after all, it's not the first time a stripper has posted angrily in response to my to some of my remarks. hell, one their mods has done it on a more than a few ocassions in the past. no, i'm not talking about jenny either.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
So if you would like to know I have been a"bouncer" for 12 years, and in the industry for about 8 years as a"DJ", and Manager among other things.
really! you were a bouncer, DJ and sc manager? wow, i'm envious and impressed by your work experience. you know, i always wanted to work in the biz. i could probably learn a lot from you. ROTFLMAO...Dude (allegedly)! get a life! i am not impressed. here, let me give you a rough idea where those alleged occupations rank in importance from a customer's perspective:
1. stripper
2. waitress
3. bartender
4. shot girl
5. coat check girl
6. car valet
7. piss monkey
8. a stale Cheeto lying under a seat cushion.
9. a splooge stain on the floor in VIP
10. kitschy sc merchandise
11. DJ
12. sc manager and bouncer (tied)
in short, bouncers are only good for three things:
1. walking around and pretending to look vigilant.
2. throwing out garbage bags full of wadded cocktail napkins in the dumpster.
3. kissing customer ass in the hopes of getting their palms greased.
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
You may not believe me but yup that is all me, 6'7", and 335 lbs of me.
why are you telling me this? see? you're making the same mistakes over and over again. this is the kind of statement a guy would mention in a m4w ad on craig's list to impress or, more likely, nauseate a broad. it's not something a guy says to another guy. well, unless it's a m4m ad.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
First post =)
I realize the discussion has gotten slightly off-topic but I had a few points.
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Originally Posted by
lestat1
I stopped asking "What are your rules?" at the start of a dance because:
(1) I read on here that that's a bad question to ask.
(2) I rarely got a straight-forward answer.
This kind of caught me off guard. As long as its done tastefully and respectfully, I don't think a customer should ever feel uncomfortable asking what a dancer's limits are, especially if you've already committed to a dance. Unless you're clearly in a low-contact club, any dancer who would be offended by that, to me, probably doesn't enjoy her job and just assumes it should be enough that she's naked and you have cash in your wallet. I think a dancer who consistantly sells long strings of songs has a better appreciation of how expensive of a habit it can be.
That being said, if you're fishing around for dances and you ask a vague question, you're going to get a vague answer. If I'm prodded about the level of contact in the private area, I have no idea if you're trying to distinguish an air dance from something more enthusiastic, soliciting me for "extras," or just want me to say something naughty to verbally warm you up. In the end, it's a physical experience - I can't tell you what the dance is going to be like, I have to show you, so trying to guage specifics beforehand is kind of pointless.
In reference to the original post of maximizing contact, unless it's something I've specificially stated I cannot/will not do, I'll generally be more intimate so long as I don't feel threatened or disrespected. There's nothing wrong with asking to make sure what you're doing is ok. It's a lot easier to reciprocate aggression when you're not getting punched in the chin by your own implants. :)
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
Stereotypical_stage_name
Unless you're clearly in a low-contact club, any dancer who would be offended by that, to me, probably doesn't enjoy her job and just assumes it should be enough that she's naked and you have cash in your wallet.
LOL..i guess you haven't read hustle hut yet.
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Originally Posted by
Stereotypical_stage_name
That being said, if you're fishing around for dances and you ask a vague question, you're going to get a vague answer.
again, i guess you haven't read hustle hut yet. a customer can ask a simple, direct and innocuous question and all he'll get in return is, "oh, don't worry about it. i give the best lap dances in the club".
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
"What are your rules?" is how I've usually phrased the question. Or at the other club: "What are your rules at a $XX tip?"
*shrug* Maybe that's vague. Still, she's got my money, I'm going to find out in 30 seconds what her rules are anyway, isn't it better for me to find out verbally rather than physically? My best guess is that at $XX tip, they do X, Y, and Z, and most guys know this. If I ask, I must not know. So if she says nothing, maybe I'll just do X and Y, she doesn't have to bother with Z.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
sigh. I gotta read blue posts more. This thread is entertainment at its finest!
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
BigSkySlimJr
This time I'll be nice...
Now every club despite it's name gives rules that are either bast on the county or state laws, and even then the clubs have there own derivative of those rules that either match those rules or go under what the law requires. Now on top of that the individuals of that club have their own boundaries ( that is what i call a human being right). And the only exceptions to that maybe in Mexico or in the Orient.
Aside from that each dancer has their own right to set their own boundaries.
If at some time you got extra privileges that lady set her boundaries very low, or she had not known she had the right to do so... That to me is like taking advantage of a little child, and I am not to kind to molesting childern...
So please keep in mind this business is a tease, an acting out of a fantasy, not the real thing....
So please respect the girls, be polite, and ask for the privilege, and respect their wishes......
And always tip well they like that( this is still a service just not the kind you think, you are paying for a show not a hooker).
If people cant remember that shoot your self in the head or go to the street corner and take a chance at Lusty Russian Roulette.
As an old friend of mine used to say"Welcome to my house, if you can't be nice I'll make you leave. "...CHIEF TOTEMPOLE
It was very comforting to read this, btw.
A club I work in has recently loosened up the rules and for a bikini bar, almost anything goes during a dance and the security looks the other way.
Now, I understand a customer wanting to get as much as possible out of an LD and I don't mind being touched, but what up with the aggression???!/:O
Last night I felt as if I was being physically attacked so much by a couple of custies, that I felt that I may as well been a victim of a hate crime!
Jeez, when I say, "That's a bit rough, I'm not comfortable with that", I do mean it.
If any of you can tell me why this kind of aggression/anger/ whatever is necessary, I would love to hear about it.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
Corey
It was very comforting to read this, btw.
A club I work in has recently loosened up the rules and for a bikini bar, almost anything goes during a dance and the security looks the other way.
Now, I understand a customer wanting to get as much as possible out of an LD and I don't mind being touched, but what up with the aggression???!/:O
Last night I felt as if I was being physically attacked so much by a couple of custies, that I felt that I may as well been a victim of a hate crime!
Jeez, when I say, "That's a bit rough, I'm not comfortable with that", I do mean it.
If any of you can tell me why this kind of aggression/anger/ whatever is necessary, I would love to hear about it.
Corey...could you elaborate a little? What precisely were they saying and/or doing? I'm just wondering if they were attempting to act out fantasies with you or something like that...
hb
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The second one was just trying to get me otc, but was very aggressive about it.
Now the first one, an older man, his face looked 60ish but he has an incredible, strong body. He's an avid runner that probably does a lot of push-ups/pull-ups. He also has huge hands.
He literally just stuck his hands into the kitty (this is a bikini bar) and as I told him I wasn't comfortable or tried to squirm, he just held me down! I couldn't fricken move!!
Like I said, I understand custies wanting as much as possible for an LD, but there is no need for force or aggression!
(btw, he didn't say anything particularly hateful, but then I was too busy struggling since security looked the other way to really listen).
Thank goodnness the rest of my custies were cool.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
You are right Corey, sticking his hand in a place that is off limits is wrong. And holding you down while you are struggling to get free is totally wrong too. It sounds to me like sexual assault for crying out loud. Isn't that why security is there to begin with? ...to help out when you are in a jam?
I think you are right to wonder what the hell was up with that guy.
As you say, most of your other customers were ok. I'd hate to think this sort of aggressive guy is what you have to put up with all the time.
hb
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
Thanks for your concern.
It's ironic because this man was in the midst of becoming a regular.
I don't really need that kind of a regular.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
Corey
Thanks for your concern.
It's ironic because this man was in the midst of becoming a regular.
I don't really need that kind of a regular.
Hey Corey...it's quite probable you'll see the guy again. Could you sit down and have a little honest discussion with the guy and let him know in no uncertain terms how uncomfortable he made you feel? Lay out the rules hard and fast for him, and tell him if he does that shit again, he'll be kicked out and will never get another dance from you or anyone else there.
He might be salvagable as a regular if he likes you and wants to keep getting dances from you. You're in charge...it's your house...your rules.
Good luck!
hb
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
hockeybobby
Isn't that why security is there to begin with? ...to help out when you are in a jam?
no. in some clubs, a cocktail napkin is far more capable and useful than a bouncer. they don't consume oxygen molecules and if only they could throw themselves in the dumpster. there would be no need for bouncers at all.
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Re: touching dancers the right way, and the wrong way
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Originally Posted by
mr_punk
no. in some clubs, a cocktail napkin is far more capable and useful than a bouncer. they don't consume oxygen molecules and if only they could throw themselves in the dumpster. there would be no need for bouncers at all.
Well Corey's experience certainly bears that out.
BTW Corey, if you are still lurking around here on the blue side, how about giving us a "Night at the Office" report? You've proven you have the courage to come and mingle a bit with us Strip Club Junkies...and the guys just love those NATO reports. Your report will be welcomed, and you will gain instant credibility with the dudes here.
NATO's are filed under "Junkie Club Chat"...sticky at the top. Go for it Corey! ;D
hb