Statutory rape case and classic double standard
1. I don't have my glasses on, so I am an inch away from the screen. I will look up an article later when I have contacts in.
Anyway, I was watching the news yesterday about the 25-year-old female middle school teacher who took the 13-year-old developed male student down to Mexico to have sex wth him. Now, what REALLY pissed me off was that several newspeople were saying things like, "The boy should be held somewhat responsible." and "This certainly can't be a rape or kidnapping."
HELLO?!?!?!?! WTF is wrong with this country when little boys are taken out of the country and rapedby their lecherous teachers and that's considered ok!?
Oh but of course.... he's gone through puberty. Oh, and he has a sex drive. And he thought it was cool so he went along with it. But who cares?! It's RAPE!
If the student had been female or the teacher male, those fucking newscasters would have been fucking fired. >:(
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Have your glasses not made it to you yet? My friend said he'd ship them on Monday! Let me know if I need to call him and see what's going on.
And yeah, I agree to a point, though it's a pretty simple fact that boys and girls of that age do not tend to view sex in the same terms so he is much less likely to come out of this with ill effects.
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I don't know about rape. I mean I lost my virginity to a much older boy, 21 or so, when I was 14. It was stupid, but it certainly wasn't rape. I think the statutory rape laws are a bit silly myself...
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You're exactly right. Were the tables turned and a male being charged with kidnapping and statutory rape, he would be crucified by the media, and the victim would be a victim. This kid is 13 years old. I can't remember being too great a decision maker at the age of 13. Sure, he may have liked it, but he's not legally apt to make that decision (unless we're talking legal marriage in which his parents agree). But you're right, this is insane. But in almost every rape case, someone always points some blame at a victim. Dumb asses.
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I don't know about rape. I mean I lost my virginity to a much older boy, 21 or so, when I was 14. It was stupid, but it certainly wasn't rape. I think the statutory rape laws are a bit silly myself...
It wasn't stupid on your part, because you were a child who has less reasoning capability. It was creepy on his part. Again, keep the blame shifted to the adult. I lost my V when I was 14 to my still bf when he was 17. I could have waited, looking back, but we were a pretty close match developmentally.
The human brain is not fully developed until around age 23 or so. Which areas are last to develop? The ones that hande judgment and careful decision making and impulse control.
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The fact that she was his teacher is whatmakes it so deplorable.... It would have been wretched anyway, but for a person in power to take advantage on the school property...EEEW. She should was definitely be punished. That said I lost my virginity to a 23 year old when I was 16 and I don't consider that rape...
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My daughters dad almost had statutory rape charges against him. I was living in Placer County and they wanted to press charges but I got pregnant in Sacramento County. We never had sex once I moved so they couldnt. And Sacramento County had more important things to deal with than pregnant 16 year olds. I think it was a bunch of BS - on top of that he wasnt 5 years my senior and I was 16. Once youre 16 theres a 5 year thing. But I guess if the County is bored they dont care.
I was 16 and he was 20 when I got pregnant.
Back to the thread. Its a total double standard. But I agree that a person in a power position like a teacher is taking advantage of a child. Whats with all these teachers having sex with students lately? Or has it always happened but wasnt in the media eye?
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It reminds me of that D.L Hughley joke he made on his last comedy special. He was talking about teachers having sex with students. He said "and I'm a little upset that I didn't get in on it. I would've gone to school on a Saturday. My dad would've been like 'where you goin?' 'to school dad, they fuckin' there.' "well son, I better go with you and make sure every thing's ok."
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TheSexKitten
It wasn't stupid on your part, because you were a child who has less reasoning capability. It was creepy on his part. Again, keep the blame shifted to the adult. I lost my V when I was 14 to my still bf when he was 17. I could have waited, looking back, but we were a pretty close match developmentally.
The human brain is not fully developed until around age 23 or so. Which areas are last to develop? The ones that hande judgment and careful decision making and impulse control.
The problem I have with the laws is that had you been fifteen and he been 18 then he could have gone to jail. He would have ended up as a permanently registered sex offender, and that list doesn't make any distinctions. It just seems like a thestatutory rape law is overdone.
The fact that it was a teacher is deplorable, but in most cases where were the kids parents? Shouldn't you know if your thirteen (or fourteen) year old is out having sex? In this case the fact that it was his teacher probably absolves the parents in this case but most?
I think it's more the parents fault alot of the time not some horny 18-21yo.
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The problem I have with the laws is that had you been fifteen and he been 18 then he could have gone to jail. He would have ended up as a permanently registered sex offender, and that list doesn't make any distinctions. It just seems like a thestatutory rape law is overdone.
The fact that it was a teacher is deplorable, but in most cases where were the kids parents? Shouldn't you know if your thirteen (or fourteen) year old is out having sex? In this case the fact that it was his teacher probably absolves the parents in this case but most?
I think it's more the parents fault alot of the time not some horny 18-21yo.
I do agree that the law goes way overboard sometimes. Like that 16(?) year old boy in GA who got stat rape charges against him. However, this case isn't like... a 16 year old and a 19 year old. This is a 13 year old witha 25 year old (12years senior!!) TEACHER. That is wrong. My main beef with this is the clear sexual double standard.
Oh and Yek, my glasses have not arrived yet but I'll go check at the office to see if they ight have ended uo there. :)
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TheSexKitten
Anyway, I was watching the news yesterday about the 25-year-old female middle school teacher who took the 13-year-old developed male student down to Mexico to have sex wth him. Now, what REALLY pissed me off was that several newspeople were saying things like, "The boy should be held somewhat responsible." and "This certainly can't be a rape or kidnapping."
SouthPark did a whole skit on this, teacher has sex with a minor (a very young boy in the skit), police department and general public are like, Nice, So what's the problem? Etc.
The fact is that this disparity exists in people's minds. I have to admit, I wonder if there is something to it, or if it's nothing but a social difference. One possible difference is if you take birth control out of the mix, there is a fairly large difference between a case of an unwanted pregnancy where it's a 13 year old ends up pregnant and case where a 25 year old woman ends up pregnant. While there is still an underage parent in the mix, 9 months of pregnancy is not a trivial thing to go through. The other thing is that our society tends to give custody of children to the mothers when parents split up, but it raises the difficult issue of who should have custody in the case where the 13 year old ends up pregnant and it is hard to imagine a 13 year old and 25+ year old man being much of a couple or raising the child like one. So I do see there may well be a real difference behind it that is the seed of why people see it differently.
Putting that aside, she is a teacher, and it is despicable that she violated the trust placed in her.
And it's generally despicable when adults unduly influence (manipulate?) people that have not finished mentally maturing.
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I don't know if they would have been fired. I certainly agree that they are wrong.
I think people sometimes misinterpret some of the reasons for statutory rape. Statutory rape defines what is, essentially, an arbitrary age at which you can consent to sex with people outside a certain "buffer zone" not because ALL such sex is exploitative (although it is hard to imagine it is not with some age differences) but because ALL such sex CAN be exploitative. Even if there weren't an age difference, a teacher/student relationship is clearly one that is ripe for exploitation. Whether the consent was "real" or not, we all know that an adult woman CAN manipulate, control and exploit a 13 year old boy (and of course, vice versa). The fact that minor, even mature minors, might not know that they are exploitable or exploited, for that matter, doesn't make it alright.
I actually think the entire conception of "consent" is tied up in stereotypical gender roles. Like demanding affirmative, competent consent that has not been deliberately undermined is reasonable. However, the way in which those things are constructed has a lot to do with what we assume about men and women. For example - it is very hard to explain to a man the similarity between a woman who is too drunk to consent to sex, and a woman who was deliberately impaired (roofied) so that she would consent to sex, and that the violation is not "buyer's remorse" - it is not simply regretting a decision that one made, but the feeling that one did not really make that decision. Men do not, by and large, relate to that, because unless they have, themselves, experienced a violation from a woman, they cannot understand that violation. If you change it a little, and partner a drunk heterosexual man with a homosexual man, they relate to the feeling of violation, but insist that "it's different" - essentially that their feelings of violation are legitimate, while a woman's experience is not. The normal corrollory of this is that people dismiss the experience of violation from a man in a heterosexual encounter as being illegitimate.
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Wow. Very well put, Jenny!