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Do you think management affects a club's income potential?
There have been clubs I have worked at where I swear everyone had better nights when under a different management. Even clubs that were "better" on so-and-so manager's nights. There have been times that I have switched clubs because a manager that I have previously worked with was now at another club, and I did better when I worked at a club managed by that person.
So, ladies, do you find that a clubs income potential is/can be affected by management?
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yes!!!!!
Bad management can run a club into the GROUND! I've seen it plenty of times. Sometimes good management can fix things, but usually it's an uphill battle.
Shitty managers have run off good dancers, good bouncers, and eventually... the good customers. Everything gets out of whack...
Bad managers have ruined many a-club.
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yes yes yes..
bad management runs off dancers (i know I have left because of a few.)
Plus customers notice more than they let on ie. unhappy dancers, unfair rules and regulations, new rules that make no sense and seem to change with different managers.
Experience is key also, taking a bouncer and turning him into a manager never seems like a good idea, I have only seen it work once because honestly, bouncers are hired for their size not their brains.
Unfortunately some owners don't know what's good for them and expect immediate changes and this makes them fire managers before giving them the chance they should. I lost many a great manager because the owner wanted the guys to work miracles.
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Yep... bouncer-managers are evil incarnate. The fucken meatheads think that bossing dancers around (like they would with a drunk custy) is perfectly fine.
I am amazed that strip clubs don't require an MBA degree or some form of business experience before they hire a manager.
I think it's so simple: Happy Dancers = Happy Customers = Happy Club = Money.
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Sophia_Starina
Yep... bouncer-managers are evil incarnate. The fucken meatheads think that bossing dancers around (like they would with a drunk custy) is perfectly fine.
I am amazed that strip clubs don't require an MBA degree or some form of business experience before they hire a manager.
I think it's so simple: Happy Dancers = Happy Customers = Happy Club = Money.
For some reason a lot of places could care less about our happiness, hmmm why is turnover so high?
Every year I go back to my fave club where it's the same managers since I started dancing. One is a little skinny dick, but no one really listens to him anyway, the rest are great and give hugs becuase it's really a family. The owner even said to me, I want you to be happy and make money becuase if you then I do. *sigh* why can't they all be like that?
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Absolutely, especially because in most clubs you don't have to have any business skills whatsoever to become a manager. At my last club a guy could start out as doorman, work a year or two doing that, move up to bartender or dj, or just as easily move up to management. And really, it didn't even have to be a year, it could be a couple of months. If they needed a manager they'd grab any idiot with testicles and give him a key to the office. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a guy who works for $10.50 an hour isn't going to have the brains to understand what it takes to manage a club. That's why they think its good business to get a bunch of girls on schedule and charge them out the wazoo in house fees. It seems to be one of their biggest sources of revenue, and IMO, that's unnecessary because there are a lot of other ways for a strip club to make money.
Do I sound bitter? lol. I am! The biggest thing I have resented in working as a dancer for so many years is having to work with "bosses" who are far less intelligent than me. It's very demeaning to have someone who probably has no education further than high school trying to tell me what I can and can't do, and making decisions that affect the club.
The bad decision-making of my last club is why they now have very few beautiful girls, compared to having a great crew a year or two ago. Why? Because anyone who knows they are attractive and classy will want to work somewhere that they can be proud of, and where they can make money without having to do extras.
I left because I was tired of them letting anyone with a twat have a job, and letting extras go unnoticed. They also have a theory that the appearance of any sort of "bouncer" type person would intimidate customers and scare them away. So instead, no one is back in the dance area checking up on the girls and making sure they are safe and that they don't act like hookers. And there is not one guy on staff who looks like he could really protect you if something were to happen. Hell, it was a joke tipping out the little door guy for walking me out to my car. He weighs less than me and I'm only 125! If someone had it in their plan to attack me, I'd have ended up protecting his skinny ass.
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Of course. Most managers are too busy trying to sleep with the girls who want to be hired and hiring girls they need time to try to sleep with. Haven't met a manager yet who has graduated from college let alone business school and didn't have some kind of inferiority complex. And these owners leave these multimillion dollar businesses to them...Sad but true.
One day the General Manager of my club challenged me to run the club for a month. I told him I didn't want to take that much of a pay cut, laughed and walked out of the office.
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MinahSky
Of course. Most managers are too busy trying to sleep with the girls who want to be hired and hiring girls they need time to try to sleep with. Haven't met a manager yet who has graduated from college let alone business school and didn't have some kind of inferiority complex. And these owners leave these multimillion dollar businesses to them...Sad but true.
One day the General Manager of my club challenged me to run the club for a month. I told him I didn't want to take that much of a pay cut, laughed and walked out of the office.
wow, what a generalization. ::) yanno, not all managers are bad. which is why girls tend to do better with some managers over others. obviously those are the good ones.
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I think I have to go with Minah on this one. A good manager is hard to find. Britt, if you're lucky enough to have good management... then Kudos. I'd say that the majority of managers (at least in my neck of the woods) are crap.
I've been in clubs that were poorly run, clubs that were impeccably run, clubs that were in between good/bad, and clubs that went from bad to great and great to bad.
Sadly, many managers that I've encountered aren't the sharpest crayons in the box.
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britt244
wow, what a generalization. ::) yanno, not all managers are bad. which is why girls tend to do better with some managers over others. obviously those are the good ones.
I said I haven't met one yet. Didn't say there weren't any.
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Absolutely !
Case in point : Warren who works at Skin here in town . He is awesome at running clubs and making sure custys and dancers and staff are happy and making money. I have seen him take a few shit clubs and turn them into gold mines. He's magic, I swear.
I think happy strippers mean happy customers and happy custys mean more money for everyone .
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You guys make me so grateful to have managers I actually like and respect. Most of them, anyway ;)
I do think it makes a big difference.
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when embarking on this discussion it's important to distinguish between the club's earnings potential in terms of money that the clubowner gets to keep, versus club earnings potential in terms of money that the dancers get to keep. Obviously, bad club management can damage both categories of earnings.
However, a number of decisions by club management CAN result in increased earnings that the clubowners get to keep, while at the same time hurting the earnings potential of dancers (or SOME dancers). Decisions like high stage fees being charged to every dancer, and high percentage 'payouts' of private dance / VIP money hurt all dancers but benefit the clubowner. Corporate clubs like Ricks / DejaVu / Scores have been considered to be doing a good job of management in this area ... although the high corporate profits are as much a result of 'taxing' the dancers as attracting free spending customers.
Decisions like looking the other way in regard to extras hurts some dancers, while benefiting other dancers as well as benefiting the clubowner. However, as long as the laws are written such that the clubowner can plead 'plausible deniability' meaning that dancers wind up taking all the bust risk, from a clubowner's viewpoint he has much to gain and little to lose by doing this.
There's also a whole different perspective which can be applied to SOME clubs earnings potential. I don't know how to put this delicately, but we are all aware that certain club owners could really care less what the actual financial situation is regarding actual club earnings. For these club owners, the club's books are going to show a huge profit ... regardless of whether the source of that profit money originates in the club, or in fact originates from certain other 'business ventures' that are, shall we say, 'less than public'. For this group of club owners, the only thing that matters is that the club stays open, continues to 'go through the motions' of being a profitable business, and continues to book huge profits regardless of whether the club itself is profitable or not.
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twisterinAZ
Absolutely !
Case in point : Warren who works at Skin here in town . He is awesome at running clubs and making sure custys and dancers and staff are happy and making money. I have seen him take a few shit clubs and turn them into gold mines. He's magic, I swear.
I think happy strippers mean happy customers and happy custys mean more money for everyone .
on the other hand, he ran my club into the ground when he came here. I mean, chasing off regulars (who spend $$$$), trying to enforce a schedule, overhiring, firing at least 2 good waitresses a week, then hiring 3 bad ones to replace them, messing with what works, taking away tip to strip on stage, allowing and encouraging underage drinking to up liquor/champagne sales.... the list goes on and on.
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Melonie
when embarking on this discussion it's important to distinguish between the club's earnings potential in terms of money that the clubowner gets to keep, versus club earnings potential in terms of money that the dancers get to keep. Obviously, bad club management can damage both categories of earnings.
However, a number of decisions by club management CAN result in increased earnings that the clubowners get to keep, while at the same time hurting the earnings potential of dancers (or SOME dancers). Decisions like high stage fees being charged to every dancer, and high percentage 'payouts' of private dance / VIP money hurt all dancers but benefit the clubowner. Corporate clubs like Ricks / DejaVu / Scores have been considered to be doing a good job of management in this area ... although the high corporate profits are as much a result of 'taxing' the dancers as attracting free spending customers.
Decisions like looking the other way in regard to extras hurts some dancers, while benefiting other dancers as well as benefiting the clubowner. However, as long as the laws are written such that the clubowner can plead 'plausible deniability' meaning that dancers wind up taking all the bust risk, from a clubowner's viewpoint he has much to gain and little to lose by doing this.
There's also a whole different perspective which can be applied to SOME clubs earnings potential. I don't know how to put this delicately, but we are all aware that certain club owners could really care less what the actual financial situation is regarding actual club earnings. For these club owners, the club's books are going to show a huge profit ... regardless of whether the source of that profit money originates in the club, or in fact originates from certain other 'business ventures' that are, shall we say, 'less than public'. For this group of club owners, the only thing that matters is that the club stays open, continues to 'go through the motions' of being a profitable business, and continues to book huge profits regardless of whether the club itself is profitable or not.
I think all dancers know what you are talking about. But since it's not our money we could care less how they do their "laundry";) .
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Yes no question about it. If management sucks I spend less and don't visit as often or don't even came to that club. If they are good and treat customers and employees good then I spend more and visit more often.
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Lola Rose
on the other hand, he ran my club into the ground when he came here. I mean, chasing off regulars (who spend $$$$), trying to enforce a schedule, overhiring, firing at least 2 good waitresses a week, then hiring 3 bad ones to replace them, messing with what works, taking away tip to strip on stage, allowing and encouraging underage drinking to up liquor/champagne sales.... the list goes on and on.
No shit ! ??!! Well that explains why he came back to Scottsdale. Sorry about that LolaRose. I'm also really surprised about the schedule thing. I know he doesn't do that at Skin. Maybe that was an owner decision???
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I think all dancers know what you are talking about. But since it's not our money we could care less how they do their "laundry"
ahem, there you go ! However, my point about this issue was that clubowners in this situation don't give a rat's ass if their management decisions cause either club or dancer earnings potential to rise or fall. Thus the dancers often wind up being ill treated.
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Melonie
ahem, there you go ! However, my point about this issue was that clubowners in this situation don't give a rat's ass if their management decisions cause either club or dancer earnings potential to rise or fall. Thus the dancers often wind up being ill treated.
No one with old money runs a business like that. That's some nouveau riche BS. Moneyed people make money in all ways, all the time. They don't put up millions to maintain, they do it to build more.
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I just have to say, Warren is the best manager I have ever worked with. He's always treated me wonderfully and helped me make money. As soon as he came back to Skin, everyone was happy again! I'm sorry you had a bad experience with him.
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I've been wondering about this lately. My club has taken such a dive for the worse lately. A couple of managers left in the last few months, too. I wonder how if that had anything to do with it, or if we're just seeing the combined effects of economic nosedive and seasonal slowdown. I dunno. The new managers aren't bad in any way that I know of, just kinda young and clueless.
What exactly is it that a good manager does that makes him a good manager? (Other than not piss off the dancers.)
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I know I'm Obviously in the minority....but my earnings have absolutely no correlation to the manager. My happiness is determined by me, not my environment....so whoever happens to sit in the office and count the bar register after hours has very little affect on my business of selling lapdances.
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Good managers take care of good customers and staff. They are consistent and do not constantly change rules, drink prices, or promotions. They're good at marketing or they know how to hire people who are. They know how to hold on to good people at the club -- not just dancers, but bartenders, servers, and DJs -- who are popular with the customers. They help maintain the tone of the club whether it be a party atmosphere or a more subdued, upscale one.
Shitty managers ignore all of this, piss off regulars, contradict their own decisions, neglect promotions and run off good staff.
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britneyireland
I know I'm Obviously in the minority....but my earnings have absolutely no correlation to the manager.
Ah, you say this, but you do choose one club in which to dance, and you don't make that decision arbitrarily! The manager may not have to be wonderful, but I bet the manager at your club isn't entirely inept.