Horrible Ruling for Rape Victim in Saudi Arabia
This is horrific
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071202/...ODen7R8aQLewgF
Here is an exerpt that summarizes the case:
In the case of the Girl of Qatif, the woman — a member of the kingdom's Shiite minority — was attacked in 2006 when she met a high school friend in his car to retrieve a picture of herself from him, since she had recently married. Two men got into the vehicle and drove them to a secluded area where five others waited, and then the woman — 19 at the time — and her companion were both raped, she has said.
In October last year, she was sentenced to prison and 90 lashes for being alone with a man not related to her — a violation of the kingdom's strict segregation of the sexes. The seven rapists were also convicted.
When her lawyer, Abdul-Rahman al-Lahem, appealed the sentence and made public comments about it, he was removed from the case, his license suspended, and the court increased the woman's penalty to six months in prison and 200 lashes.
The sentences for the seven men were also increased to between two to nine years in prison, up from the initial sentence of 10 months to five years.
On the Qatif case, the judiciary has taken a tough line. Days before Saud's comments, the Justice Ministry vowed the woman would be flogged and rejected foreign interference.
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^ thats crazy...its sad how women are treated so inferiorly over there.
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After reading that other thread it doesn't seem like we are all that much better, except we don't corporally punish the victims. But turning a blind eye to an assault is not exactly progress.
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So I wonder what the west is going to do about this. just sit and talk about it?
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LadySoft
So I wonder what the west is going to do about this. just sit and talk about it?
Hell yes. The U.S and Saudi Arabia are bestest buddies. Why let a silly little thing like human rights get in the way???
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This just pisses me off SO BAD. I'll be back to comment when my rage subsides.
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Anyhow, I think if their women want to do something about the way they're treated, they can have a revolution. They probably feel like they are just too tied down and stripped away off their rights by their merest men.
Muslim women are so used to their infiriority status, so unless they stand against whats going on, I don't see how anything will change as far as how way they are been treated by their men. The corporal and unfair punishments posed against them will for sure continue.
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LadySoft
unless they stand against whats going on, I don't see how anything will change as far as how way they are been treated by their men. The corporal and unfair punishments posed against them will for sure continue.
Wow. Speaking of blaming the victim.
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sunnie
After reading that other thread it doesn't seem like we are all that much better, except we don't corporally punish the victims. But turning a blind eye to an assault is not exactly progress.
That is ridiculous. In this country if such a thing happened, the woman would be given all manner of assistance while the men involved would spend long terms in prison.
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Jenny
Wow. Speaking of blaming the victim.
How do you know that women in these countries aren't complicit in such things? I'd be willing to bet that many women in fundamentalist Muslim places probably support this outrageous bullshit.
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Mr Hyde
How do you know that women in these countries aren't complicit in such things? I'd be willing to bet that many women in fundamentalist Muslim places probably support this outrageous bullshit.
So... you're saying that it is the fault of individual women because some other women may behave and want others to behave in a certain way? That's what I said. Blaming the victim.
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^^^^ not really. i just feel if theres going to be any change made it has to be from the victim. the suppressor would never seek to make his victim free, and as a matter of fact, it will be his responsibility to make sure the victim is forever suppressed.
When women in the US decided that they were tired of being treated inferiorly and left with little or no rights, what did they do to change that? They decided to stage a women's rights movement, right? If it wasn't for that movement, maybe we wouldn't be as liberal as we are today.
In order to be a change, a reform is needed in this case and only the victim can bring about it...just my 2 cents. who sent?
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Mr Hyde
How do you know that women in these countries aren't complicit in such things? I'd be willing to bet that many women in fundamentalist Muslim places probably support this outrageous bullshit.
thank you!! you took that one right off my finger tips.
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Certainly if women didn't desire to liberated they probably wouldn't have been - like if they didn't want the vote they would not likely have gotten it. However they also wouldn't likely have gotten it if a series of factors had not fallen into place to make that happen - specifically WWI which engendered a kind of "home voting" allowing wives and mothers of overseas soldiers to vote in their stead, and beginning the catapult to international pressure. My point is - desire is not sufficient, it is just necessary. American blacks had no particular desire to be enslaved, but it would massively inappropriate to say "well they haven't revolted, and they can't expect their owners to do it for them. Lazies."
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^ women's movement wasn't only staged to give women the right to vote. countless other reasons pushed women in trying to gain rights.
some muslim women are comfortable with their situation not only because they can't do much about it, but because it is in their tradition for women to be the inferior figure. Trying to change things now will bring about alot of chaos and reform that the muslim society isn't ready to deal with, specifially, muslim men.
o yes, desire is sufficient and necessary in this case, because without it, the motivation to change things won't be there;therefore, people won't be driven to make a reform. whats extremely necessary though is the resources needed to make such change. without it, then the change wouldn't be successful.
As far as blacks not revolting in general, that can be explained by the lack of resources and weapons needed to revolt. I'm quite sure some individual slaves like Jim Crow, tried revoting but because of the lack of resources needed to accomplish this, their revolts were to no avail.
The reason why America was able to gain independence from the british was not only due to their desire for independence, but also the fact that they had access to resources that enabled its success.
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Jenny
So... you're saying that it is the fault of individual women because some other women may behave and want others to behave in a certain way? That's what I said. Blaming the victim.
Huh? How did you get anything about "blaming the victim" out of anything that was posted anywhere on anyone's posts in this thread?