yup. and thats why you need to build a good relationship from the start!
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Don't cheat the DJ. They WILL make you dance to Hey There Delilah.
MissShani is not running a charity for the DJ, housemoms, etc. The way of the world is that you only pay what you have to. Billion dollar corporations do this. Law firms do this. Why wouldn't anyone else? The bottom line is that if MissShani or Corgan or whoever else can pay an amount of their own choosing and not incur any negative repercussions then more power to them. The rules only matter to the extent that they can be enforced. We have some laws on the books that have no enforcement mechanisms. Guess what? Those laws get broken left and right. Even countries will only follow international law when the law is beneficial to them or if they are threatened with force. They often don't follow the rules out of a good-hearted effort to be fair.
Has anyone here ever paid a speeding ticket when they were speeding but weren't caught and never issued a ticket? Of course not. Duh.
It's a tough, tough world out there. Is the DJ going to make it any better for you when you leave the club? No. Hence, no loyalty or good faith dealing is required.
I'm curious what the DJ's have to say about this thread...
Also, based on what I've read in different threads it seems like most of the time the whole tipping out to various employees is little more than a racket to shake people down. My understanding is that all a dancer really needs from a DJ is to have the dude play music. DJ's really don't assist dancers in any way other than the basic playing of music to dance to. The only thing a DJ can do to get tips from someone who does not wish to pay is by coming up with punitive measures like playing poor songs while a girl is on stage or something like that. This is very similiar to an old school mafia protection racket where you "tip" someone money not to blow up your business or whatever. Thus, if you can get away with not tipping the DJ and avoiding the protection racket, more power to you. It sucks for the DJ but they shouldn't be making as much as dancers anyway. I mean, I can turn on the radio to hear a dj. To see topless women is worth a lot more than to hear a DJ.
If employees rely solely on tips and shaking down dancers and they aren't making enough money, then that sucks for them and perhaps they should try to negotiate a base pay from the club or move on to something else. In a purely economic sense, the "tip-out" is an economic struggle and the tippees have some how convinced the tippers that the tippees have all the power. In reality, the dancers are the lions of this jungle. Flex your muscle.
Yes... let's create a stripper uprising. ::)
This is how things work in many a-club. Club owners convince guys to play music and keep things lively. The guys get tipped a few bucks by every girl working (sometimes it's a flat fee, sometimes it's a percentage). In either case, it's pretty lucrative for the DJ, pretty cost effective for the club owner, and to most dancers... not a huge deal.
Let's say that we abolished DJ tips. The club owner would have to pay the DJ a wage.
How.. you ask... will the club owner be able to stay in the black and keep the DJ happy?
Raise House Fee's! Essentially making things exactly the same as they were before.
Look... I have a fee that I pay to work each night. It's $X dollars. Either way I pay out that same amount day after day. I could give a fuck if it is going into one hand or into the hands of 20 people. Either way,I as a dancer choose what I can afford. If I couldn't afford it... I'd go elsewhere.
I don't think Shani is upset that her DJ "did the math" for her and informed her that 10% of $150 is $15. I think she's mad that she got caught in a lie.
Strip clubs are funny environments. People keep track of their co-workers, sometimes unconsciously. I know which girls are doing multiple rooms, I know which girls are getting the short end of the stick. I know what girls are banking and which ones aren't. I'm sure that since the DJ gets paid a percentage, he is keeping track of who does how many dances, specifically to avoid girls shorting him his cut.
Technically she is in the wrong. The DJ may not be the smoothest guy in town (bickering over $5 is pretty lame) but I think he has a point. Perhaps he was trying to get the message across.
Now, let's say for a second that the DJ wasn't being an ass about the situation. Perhaps he thought maybe you didn't know what the tipping policy was since you're new and he was just informing you of what it was. There are some clubs that the DJ has also a "house fee" as well, that yes, the girls tip him 10% but he has to turn around and give the club 50% of his earnings, so he's really only making 5%.
I do see where you're coming from, but the last thing you want to do, especially when you're brand new is screw people out of their earnings. They rely on that just as much as you do and you don't want to known as "that girl" when it comes to tipping out. You know how you look at the customers who sit at the tip rail that don't tip, it's the same principle. I do believe though that if you didn't make any money that night (like $20) then you can't tip out, especially if you're someone who always takes extra good care of everyone on your good nights.
I'm not calling for an uprising lol. I'm just saying that $15 for DJ'ing services seems a bit steep if there are 10 to 30 girls. That's makes for a very good night, guaranteed for the DJ on most nights if he is working in a good club. In that case, the DJ is making more money than the girls a lot of nights. That is inverse to the way it is in any other profession.
In a normal selling environment, the big producers get big money while the help gets a tiny fraction of that (and never a percentage!). The help doesn't earn money on par with the producers and certainly doesn't get to shake down the people that are bringing in the revenue. The owners will only care if they have to get a different DJ. That won't happen as long as the DJ (or other DJ's) can make more money in the club then they would doing something else. Trust me, the DJ doesn't have that much power except to do petty things. Pay him enough to avoid the petty crap and move on.
I have no idea who you are addressing. But I don't need some random dude to tell me how to do my job.
You have no stake in the matter since you are a customer. Also, there are plenty of strong, smart women on this forum and we can take care of ourselves. You aren't going to "Enlighten" anyone so just cut it out. It's patronizing and unnecessary.
it does not matter one tiny bit if it is fair. it's still the rule and she still has to do it.
life isnt fair. laws arent fair. many large corporations, as well as many small privately owned businesses (not strip clubs) have rule and regulations that are not fair. yet you still dont have a choice but to follow them, and if you don't, you will face the consequences.
I know this thread was linked to music mix, sorry for responding here but GenX..look....um..get a clue. I dont know how it is in clubs YOU go to but if my job was actualy just playing songs...id be content, but its not. I have to orginize events, keep 20 plus girls happy along with customers and managers pleased, run promo events, and create events every night to keep money flowing while you just sit there and go "wow, I could be a dj"...as you can tell...I dont realy appreciate the whole mafia thing. As for the tip thing....Ive never been an advocate of the 10% rule...PLUS Im very big on the "I had a bad night can I catch up with you"..Its the running out without saying anything that gets to me.... but hell if you made 150 and broke me off 10 thats cool, but it would seem at your club thats not the rule, so follow it or find another place.
No I did not lie twice, only once:P, but seriously I was confused, I'm new so I have alot more to learn. But since then I have spoke with management to get a clear understanding of tip out fees and its suggested that we pay the DJ ten percent of our earnings but a mandatory ten each night I work. And there's no need to fear my future at this club I'm actually well liked by all the staff, including the DJ!
A thread has been created in Music Mix to answer certain questions brought up here:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=104472
I do appreciate the enlightened observations made by some of the dancers here--you might be interested in the thread.
I just started dancing this past week as well. At my club you don't HAVE to tip anyone but I've found that if you do, they're more inclined to be helpful to you. I tip the bartender well because I've been a bartender, in return, he tells me when regulars that will spend a lot of money come in and I end up making more thanks to his tips....and if you don't tip the DJ he's less inclined to put you on stage if it gets busy or give you music you like. So as much as you may want to, it could really benefit you.
Well you are very wise for a newbie. Also, if that's you in your avatar, I'd be putting you onstage as much as possible, lol!
Be sure to check out the Music Mix section.