Re: the "wanna dance" girls
well, a few things.
first, wanna dance is a fine way to go, i use it a lot and i'm a top earner; but i never say "wanna dance?". instead, i am more creative with my version of wanna dance, like, "i'm ready to get naked, i think you should benefit." or "i came to play with you, let's go have some fun."
one liners, while some girls don't feel comfortable or confident enough to use them, work the best in a busy club.
but you must realize that when a club is dead, slow, what have you, chatting is often necessary to close a sale. in a busy enviornment, guys recognize that they take you now or never, but in a slow environment, they have the upper hand, realizing that there are more dancers than customers.
those top earners at your club are choosing the right men to talk to, and not approaching the losers, the young guys, etc.
most important thing in asking for a dance is finding WHO you should be asking, not necessarily the line you're using.
lastly, yeah, the girls you're watching are doing it right— if someone says no, just move along and quickly at that. sometimes the guy next to the one you asked first will say yes, and sometimes if you come back for the maybe later, they'll get that dance. "you did say come back, i follow directions well.(giggle)" <-- works well.
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^ i agree with all of that. it also depends on the club. when i first came to my club, it was from one where i didnt do many lap dances, and focused on selling rooms. that took conversation. now, i have my short little spiel that i go through and thats that.. occasionally i will talk longer, depending on the guy and the situation. but like chrissy, i dont say "wanna dance?" i say "i want to dance for you now" and it works for me.. im a top girl. sometimes i dont even sit down.
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for me, it depends. i choose to work day shift, but i also work some nights (maybe 15% of the time).
if i'm on my normal day shift, i will almost always sit and chat for a couple songs before popping the question.
if i'm on night shift, it varies.
i will sit and chat with an older guy who looks like "money".
i'll admit though, 95% of the time with younger guys i'm a "wanna dance" girl. i just simply don't have the patience with them anymore.
so on nights i tend to "wanna dance" a bunch of young dudes and then i'll stop and sit when i see someone who looks worth while.
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Actually there is one trait you are seeing that I think is even more important than whether they are working a quick hustle or a longer one - it's persistence, the girls you're describing are working hard.
But over all I agree with Pretty Penny, I can usually sense when a guy will need a little bit of extra attention to make a big sale. And I get annoyed with the young guys too, and usually don't spend as much time.
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Wanna dance works when you're selling volume lapdances, but not in a club where your money comes from CR. In a nutshell.
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Chrissy68
well, a few things.
first, wanna dance is a fine way to go, i use it a lot and i'm a top earner; but i never say "wanna dance?". instead, i am more creative with my version of wanna dance, like, "i'm ready to get naked, i think you should benefit." or "i came to play with you, let's go have some fun."
one liners, while some girls don't feel comfortable or confident enough to use them, work the best in a busy club.
but you must realize that when a club is dead, slow, what have you, chatting is often necessary to close a sale. in a busy enviornment, guys recognize that they take you now or never, but in a slow environment, they have the upper hand, realizing that there are more dancers than customers.
those top earners at your club are choosing the right men to talk to, and not approaching the losers, the young guys, etc.
most important thing in asking for a dance is finding WHO you should be asking, not necessarily the line you're using.
lastly, yeah, the girls you're watching are doing it right— if someone says no, just move along and quickly at that. sometimes the guy next to the one you asked first will say yes, and sometimes if you come back for the maybe later, they'll get that dance. "you did say come back, i follow directions well.(giggle)" <-- works well.
I agree with all of this EXCEPT the part about not asking young guys. I like to pick my targets but I don't discriminate against the younguns. They are quite often good for a couple dances anyway (or more), and if you take several of those throughout a shift that money adds up. Also younger guys, especially those in their mid-20s to early 30s are often easier targets because they have started to earn decent money but are still young enough to be a bit indiscriminate in their spending. I make the most of my money from guys in this age group by far. Easy pickins.
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Yeah, I'd think that young guys would be more susceptible to a 'wannadance' routine than an older guy.
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^^ when i said young guys, i meant 18-22 year olds, guys dressed in an oversized jersey who look like they have $0 in their pocket. not every young guy.
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Oh...I pretty much avoid ANYONE in an oversized jersey, unless he is showering me with bills on stage. But that's pretty rare.
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Chrissy68
^^ when i said young guys, i meant 18-22 year olds, guys dressed in an oversized jersey who look like they have $0 in their pocket. not every young guy.
Doood. I get money from those kids too. Usually not alot, but they're often good for a quick easy sale to fill gaptime ;D And on weekend nights when the club is full of younger guys, you can do quite well laphopping with them ;)
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Bridgette
I agree with all of this EXCEPT the part about not asking young guys. I like to pick my targets but I don't discriminate against the younguns. They are quite often good for a couple dances anyway (or more), and if you take several of those throughout a shift that money adds up. Also younger guys, especially those in their mid-20s to early 30s are often easier targets because they have started to earn decent money but are still young enough to be a bit indiscriminate in their spending. I make the most of my money from guys in this age group by far. Easy pickins.
yeah. I agree especially about the guys who are in their early 30's.. most of them have a decent income, prolly a wife but, yet still young enough to want to relive their single, party days...it often depends on how they look, dress.
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alot of times when i say that, the guy says no thanks, and then i say "oh ok whats ur name? my name is..." and then they say, "ok i'll get a dance"
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Bridgette
I agree with all of this EXCEPT the part about not asking young guys. I like to pick my targets but I don't discriminate against the younguns. They are quite often good for a couple dances anyway (or more), and if you take several of those throughout a shift that money adds up. Also younger guys, especially those in their mid-20s to early 30s are often easier targets because they have started to earn decent money but are still young enough to be a bit indiscriminate in their spending. I make the most of my money from guys in this age group by far. Easy pickins.
Yeah I've found that young guys tend to take a liking to me. I agree with the part about the young guys who have just started to earn decent money in their career fields(I suppose they are called "yuppies," aka young urban professionals?).
I've noticed that young guys either tend to spend a lot(it's their first time at a club, so they don't realize that they're going to get "hustled"; they're overly drunk and not aware of all the money they're spending; they're spending a lot to celebrate a bachelor party or a new raise they got at their job; etc)...or else you get the young guys that act like they have a lot of money to throw around but end up not spending anything. Those types of guys annoy me...they are the same ones that will act mocking or cocky, or start gossiping about the other dancers' flaws. Ugh so rude.
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A girl at my club would walk up and say, "Wanna see me naked" She was not much of a looker, but 90% of the time, she got the freaking dance. Keep in mind this was a nude club.
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yeah, I don't get the ridicule re: wannadance hustling. It works for me! Granted I'll use more interesting one-liners most of the time, and combine it with flirty body language (instead of just looking bored and saying "want a lapdance?"). Sometimes I'll give them 30 sec.-1 min. of light, sexy chatting, but rarely more than that.
This preserves my little air of mystery and keeps them seeing me as a fantasy sex object who's here to dance. The minute the conversation turns "real", the fantasy and pedestal is gone, and now I'm just a normal girl they're talking to in a bar. And what do most of these guys do with average girls they meet in bars? Try to pick them up for free. ::)
"Wannadance" gets me CRs too...I wannadance them into the couch room first and then upsell from there. :)
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Wow. I'm seeing things that I could do differently that wou;d probably increase my $. I am kind of embarrassed to have been dancing so long and have not figured some of this stuff out... :-[
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I knew a girl that all she ever did was go up to guys and really quickly say "Want a dance?" And she was one of the hottest girls at the club & one of the highest money makers. I think one of the reasons to her quick pitch was b'cos she had a slight lisp.... So, all she did was be hot, awesome stage shows & then wander (?SP?) around asking if they want a dance. She NEVER chatted with customers...... she wouldn't even talk to the DJ... or hardly anyone. :-[ Never really worked for me though, & sometimes that's all I felt like doing.
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Picaresque
yeah, I don't get the ridicule re: wannadance hustling. It works for me! Granted I'll use more interesting one-liners most of the time, and combine it with flirty body language (instead of just looking bored and saying "want a lapdance?"). Sometimes I'll give them 30 sec.-1 min. of light, sexy chatting, but rarely more than that.
This preserves my little air of mystery and keeps them seeing me as a fantasy sex object who's here to dance. The minute the conversation turns "real", the fantasy and pedestal is gone, and now I'm just a normal girl they're talking to in a bar. And what do most of these guys do with average girls they meet in bars? Try to pick them up for free. ::)
"Wannadance" gets me CRs too...I wannadance them into the couch room first and then upsell from there. :)
That's a great point. You're definitely onto something.
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I have the problem of getting too "chummy" with the customers and then they think of me as "one of the guys" or their lil' "buddy" and just don't see me in a sexual nature anymore.
I have to keep it simple or keep the conversation on sex-related subjects- otherwise- they want to buy lapdances FOR me, not from me.. or like the other night, show me phone pics of their wives tits and ask if I wanna set something up. LOL
"Hey babe, ready for your dance?" It's best if I keep it at that.
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PhillyDancer1982
Yeah I've found that young guys tend to take a liking to me. I agree with the part about the young guys who have just started to earn decent money in their career fields(I suppose they are called "yuppies," aka young urban professionals?).
I've noticed that young guys either tend to spend a lot(it's their first time at a club, so they don't realize that they're going to get "hustled"; they're overly drunk and not aware of all the money they're spending; they're spending a lot to celebrate a bachelor party or a new raise they got at their job; etc)...or else you get the young guys that act like they have a lot of money to throw around but end up not spending anything. Those types of guys annoy me...they are the same ones that will act mocking or cocky, or start gossiping about the other dancers' flaws. Ugh so rude.
IME:
I never made a penny off a young guy in a suit or other flashy clothing. They're exactly the assholes you describe.
A young guy in the club alone usually has $20-40 to lay down and is looking for a girl to spend it on. Sometimes they come back again, usually with the same budget.
A boisterous group of late 20-somethings is usually good for stage money because they egg each other on. Sometimes they'll buy dances but you can't bust up the group...
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Picaresque
This preserves my little air of mystery and keeps them seeing me as a fantasy sex object who's here to dance. The minute the conversation turns "real", the fantasy and pedestal is gone, and now I'm just a normal girl they're talking to in a bar. And what do most of these guys do with average girls they meet in bars? Try to pick them up for free. ::)
Totally. I'm a wanna dance girl ("Hi- would you like a dance?", nothing fancier, usually. And it works). I came to this exact realization at work today...I was tired as all heck, so couldn't concentrate enough to follow what people were chatting about, so I just ignored the talking, smiled, and kept dancing...boy did it work. So yeah. I'm already not a talker, but I think I'll graduate to near-mute. Work was a lot more fun without having to chat too, lol.
(Snowles came in tonight, and is excepted from my ignoring-poeple, for the record. I totally paid attention to his ramblings about sex with old people.)
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scarlett_vancouver
(Snowles came in tonight, and is excepted from my ignoring-poeple, for the record. I totally paid attention to his ramblings about sex with old people.)
What's this? Snowles, are you trolling for booty at the seniors homes again?
I don't know, I'm lazy. Selling tickets in Winnipeg and TBay made me into a shitty hustler. I never really learned how. I like to talk, but my problem is that I'd end up in this engaging conversation about school or politics or current events or something totally unsexy and while the convo was fabulous it was definitely NOT hustling. I still made money at the stage from these guys, but I was always hatin' on myself after for how long I sat and talked. Then I'd have to do double-time selling tickets to make up for the time I wasted. I guess "Wanna buy a ticket?" is the same as "wanna dance?"
So yeah. I'm guilty. My bad.
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some guys come into the club ready to get a dance right away, so the first girl who comes up to him and asks him right away if he wants a dance he'll go with. now on the other hand some guys will Not even think twice about a girl even if shes the hottest if she comes right up to him and asks him the same question. but theres really no telling whos who, or is there? i find when the club is very busy and theres lots of girls this approach works cause i always say if i ask at least ten guys for a dance, one will say yes. but my usual approach is like so. find the one that sees you and give sexy flirty eyes, introduce yourself, " Hi Im Tiffany, and you are? are you having a great time? ready to have a an even better time with me. lets get away from all these people and have some private fun of our own." sometimes it works, sometimes not. but if a guy tells me he just got there or after he finishes his drink, i tell him ok, remind him my name ,tell him im his girl (like suggestivly im his girlfriend) and tell him ill be back soon to dance for him. just tell him that im going to dance for him when i get back and they usually say ok or yes. and make sure you go bakc cause thye're waiting and he will get that dance.
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Around here, sitting and chatting is a waste of time. It's a numbers game. Ask enough guys if they wanna dance and someone is bound to say yes. I know it's different in other parts of the country. Personally, I just like to get to the point. I'm really bad. Sometimes I just point at the guy and smile. If he says no or nods, on to the next one....