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What do you think about doing this to sell a VIP?
In the NJ club I work at, some of the Indian custies say they will buy VIPs but only if you will give them extras. When you say you don't do extras, they persist in begging, and it's gross. I find this offensive, and I've considered telling them "yes" to get the sale even though I will definitely *NOT* deliver (bleh!! no thanks!! not lookin to be a prostitute!!). Their perviness makes me feel no compassion for em. Like, that'll teach 'em. I'm curious to know what you guys think about doing that? Have you done it? Would you? Why or why not?
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No, because promising something you aren't going to do is TROUBLE, is the same as prostitution and makes you a ROB!!!
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I won't dance for them if they are requesting something specific or something WAY past my limits (will you touch my penis? can I suck your nipples? Are you going to get me off?), but if they're alluding to it (are you naughty? will you show me a REALLY good time?), then I'll agree, get the money upfront, and do regular dances. If they paw at me I'll just move on to air and if they don't like it they can get right up and leave.
Never consent to sex acts, though. Law enforcement, reputation, etc...
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^^^ Exactly. If they're asking if I'm "fun," etc. then of course I'm lots of fun! *giggle, wink* But if they're asking for sex acts, groping, anything illegal, it's out of the question. You never know who the cops are, and you also never know what psychopath is going to try to hurt you for ripping him off. It's not worth it.
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I agree. They're usually so vague with their sexual 'terminology' that I don't think you could get in legal trouble with agreeing to it. I knew a girl who when scuzzballs would ask crap like if she would "do everything" she'd say yes, and if they started complaining during her dance about her not 'doing everything' she'd be like: "Ohhhh, I do everything with my husband; I thought that's what you meant." :P
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Yekhefah
you also never know what psychopath is going to try to hurt you for ripping him off. It's not worth it.
Amen. :-\ We feel so safe because of the bouncers and the fact that there's so many people around... but look at Cam's recent story! There aren't metal detectors, either... At my club a couple years back a customer pushed a dancer into the DR and started beating the shit out of her. Of course he got stopped but you just wanna be as safe as possible since you're so vulnerable.
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Great replies. Thx for them!
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Don't do it.
Legal reasons, karmic reasons, and just honest to goodness annoyance reasons.
Conning someone is never a good idea.
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I generally make a lot of money off Indian guys. Sometimes it's one dance and they bounce because they want more, but sometimes just looking them in the eye and making it a joke works. How much for the night/whatever? A million dollars.
I feel like I'm being tested a lot by Indian custies. You have to establish dominance/strength far more than with the average custie. You are immoveable, but cute.
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With them, I usually just "yes em" to death while pulling them into the room. If they complain the whole time, they can leave. Maybe I'm giving bad advice, but hell, money is money and if its a slow night, you gotta pay the bills somehow. I cut the custy off so he cant say much more and tell him,"We'll book the VIP and see if we like eachother, THEN we'll talk." Its not really promising anything. If he repeats the question, just cut him off again and repeat the answer.
OR you could say yes and when he whips out the moolah, say, "sorry thats not enough! we can sit here and chat, though!" LOL
Indians love to haggle and get more than they paid for, so I try to make everthing sound like a bargain. Thats at least good for a few dances.
If I get an extras-expectant guy in a room, I turn into dominatrix bitch from hell if they start to get out of hand. Maybe Im tempting fate, but I know when to walk away or when yes 'em, And generally have a good instinct for danger.
I dont care about being called an ROB (im accused of it when ive done nothing wrong anyway). Its buyer beware. All SC patrons know that.
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This is sort of off topic, but I ALWAYS do extremely well with indian men, and in my experience, they Love to have their nipples messed with. Seriously. try it.
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one time a year ago, an Indian fellow came in asking about what a good time we'd have upstairs. I did the typical lead-on that I do for pervs but then he wanted me to be really explicit.
I told him I don't do extras.
A girlfriend was having a bum night, and she didn't care about shading the truth and not following through so I pointed out that he wanted to go upstairs but only if she'd tell him she'd give him extras.
She was fine with lying to him.
He ended up attacking her, pinning her, and trying to unzip his pants on top of her. She grabbed her shoe and started wailing on him.
Asshole didn't even get kicked out of the club.
She came up to me later and told me she wished she'd listened to me.
She ended up being fine, but was definitely shaken up.
So-- always keep in mind that if a customer acts like he's going to be more trouble than he's worth-- he probably is.
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I always say no to those guys, I do not want to encourage the idea that you can get extras at a strip club. I am sick to death of the general consensus in this country that all strippers are whores for the right price.
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What's up with them BEGGING, anyway? You'd think after saying no three or four times within a minute that they'd give up. ::)
Generally if they're not specific I try to be cutesy but vague like Yek and others said. Otherwise though I roll my eyes, turn around and walk away.
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^^Rip off Bitch. Promises extras then renegs or runs off with the money.
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There are ways to lead them to believe what they want to believe without ever actually lying or making empty promises. For example, when a guy asks what he can get in VIP, I sometimes say, You will be satisfied. He takes this to think he's getting off, but I just mean, h will be satisfied. happy with his purchase and time in VIP. If he brings it up and says i thought yousaid I'd get off..I say, I never said that. I said you'd be satisfied. And you are aren't you? You had a good time, yoru happy right? Play innocent.
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dangerousdiva
No, because promising something you aren't going to do is TROUBLE, is the same as prostitution and makes you a ROB!!!
i hear the term ROB in zbone alot, what is the acronymn for?
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LoveComesFromWithin
i hear the term ROB in zbone alot, what is the acronymn for?
Here you go-->
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RoseLeigh
^^Rip off Bitch. Promises extras then renegs or runs off with the money.
I also want to clarify there is a difference between a customer asking what goes on in VIP and a customer EXPLICITLY asking for extras.
I interpreted the OP as the latter.
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Exactly. ^^^^^
The one really bad experience I had in VIP was with a custie who basically asked for extras flat out. My friend K. and I got him drunk on pupose and took him back there.... we didn''t PROMISE extras but knew he wanted them and just figured out we could dance for him normally and he'd be okay....ummmm NOOOO
First off the bat, he asked for his money back then started yelling pretty loud about how we wern't doing the things we said we would. To try to chill him out we started dancing with each other for him, and he pulled his nasty cock out of his pants and tried to shove me on his lap, but thank GOD my friend managed to push me off him, although I fell naked to the ground and scratched up my side pretty bad. Was that worth 300 bucks? No. Oh by the way he ran out afterwards so the bouncers didn't have time to do shit.
Karma, as I found out the hard way, is a bitch. Don't do it.
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A girl in LA(nd of extras) actually did this to sell VIPs. She'd make sure they were drunk, then when they asked her the inevitable question ("What am I going to get?"), she'd just say "Oh yeah we can do everything, sex whatever." As soon as she got her $300 she'd just dance, and if they questioned where the sex was, she'd just say "Fuck you and get out"
Most of them were too embarassed or drunk to say anything, but yeah I'm surprised she didn't get raped or stabbed or some shit.
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I know its a bit off topic but its along the same lines. I work in a topless only club and sometime, (actually alot of times,) guys are like, "I won't have a dance unless I see your pussy." Now I know some girls are flashers and don't give a shit but I tend to stay to the rules. I usually try to get out of this one by saying something like, "I don't need to show you my pussy to give you the best dance you've ever had." Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. A friend of mine recently said that she just says yes, gets the money upfront then doesn't do it, screw em but I just don't think its worth it, some guys can get really pissed off if they think they've been conned and I just don't think its worth your safety.
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Nah. Like Yek said, if they ask if I'm "naughty" or "fun" or if they'll "have a good time"...then they answer is yes, of course. But I'm not going to deliberately get into a situation where I'm going to have to defend myself from sexual assault. It's not like guys will just sit around waiting for you to have sex with them and go without a peep when you don't. Many guys WILL attempt to physically force you to do what they want. I've been attacked in the CR before, and it's not fun.
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