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Re: Am I being too restrictive?
If you're really not a troll, then I'm sorry for calling you out as one.
What's weird is:
A) It's very strange that a manager and your fellow dancers would be so open about engaging in prostitution. Which is what they are doing. That sounds suspect. It is illegal. And, you're saying they're encouraging you to engage in prostitution? That also sounds strange, because if so, that would be cutting into their supposed edge in the club, wouldn't it? Because if you're not sucking dick, but they are, isn't that better for them? Are they not more competitive? I'm saying your story sounds illogical a number of levels.
B) You're actually considering becoming a prostitute, then coming on here to ask us if we think you should?! First of all, if you've read this board at all, you'd see that virtually no one here believes that dancers should be engaging in prostitution (at least inside a club). In fact we're vehemently against it. Obviously. It's very clear that it's rare among StripperWeb members. Have you not seen threads about how glad some people are to see "extras girls" publically beaten? And there's thousands of us here, all professional dancers. So that kind of question seems like trolling. Second, why would it matter what we think? This is your body.
Supposing that somehow you really aren't a troll, then I'll give you the following advice: I agree with everyone else that you need to work in a different club. Also, just know that sometimes customers will try to take advantage of a newbie by telling her that "everybody else" does XYZ. Often it's a lie. In any case, you should never ever ever do something you find to be past your boundaries. There are still clubs where the customers can't even touch you. And you can make a killing in them. I've heard some talk on this board about North Carolina being no-touch, for instance.
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BrodieLux
If you're really not a troll, then I'm sorry for calling you out as one.
What's weird is:
A) It's very strange that a manager and your fellow dancers would be so open about engaging in prostitution. Which is what they are doing. That sounds suspect. It is illegal. And, you're saying they're encouraging you to engage in prostitution? That also sounds strange, because if so, that would be cutting into their supposed edge in the club, wouldn't it? Because if you're not sucking dick, but they are, isn't that better for them? Are they not more competitive? I'm saying your story sounds illogical a number of levels.
B) You're actually considering becoming a prostitute, then coming on here to ask us if we think you should?! First of all, if you've read this board at all, you'd see that virtually no one here believes that dancers should be engaging in prostitution (at least inside a club). In fact we're vehemently against it. Obviously. It's very clear that it's rare among StripperWeb members. Have you not seen threads about how glad some people are to see "extras girls" publically beaten? And there's thousands of us here, all professional dancers. So that kind of question seems like trolling. Second, why would it matter what we think? This is your body.
Supposing that somehow you really aren't a troll, then I'll give you the following advice: I agree with everyone else that you need to work in a different club. Also, just know that sometimes customers will try to take advantage of a newbie by telling her that "everybody else" does XYZ. Often it's a lie. In any case, you should never ever ever do something you find to be past your boundaries. There are still clubs where the customers can't even touch you. And you can make a killing in them. I've heard some talk on this board about North Carolina being no-touch, for instance.
I didn't even think hand jobs or blow jobs were considered prostitution. I thought they were just something extra the girls I work with did. I think the management might was trying to manipulate me so then the customer would buy me more drinks (which is how the club makes $) to do sexual favors. The manager did say I was naive. The manager also takes out a "security fee" saying if any of the girls were caught in prostitution, the club will bail us out. That should've been a warning sign for me.
& absolutely not, I am not trying to be a prostitute! I didn't even know those sexual favors were considered prostitution. I guess the other thing that should've been a warning sign is when the manager says if a cop walks in, immediately distance yourself enough from the customer.
Oh & the manager was going around telling every customer I was a newbie...
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That club sounds like it exists in the Twilight Zone. I have never ever heard of anything so blatant. Get thee to a new club! (Unless, for whatever reason, you'd rather give handjobs and blowjobs).
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BrodieLux
That club sounds like it exists in the Twilight Zone. I have never ever heard of anything so blatant. Get thee to a new club! (Unless, for whatever reason, you'd rather give handjobs and blowjobs).
Oh absolutely not!!! Eck!!
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BohemianSiren
Uh... :O
I thought prostitution was only when you're on the street selling sex
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BohemianSiren
:O
Did you ever think it might be in your best interest to know about the sex industry before you started working in it?
I think I'm just a very naive person. Now I know better & will DEFINATELY research more *embarassed*
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BrodieLux
That club sounds like it exists in the Twilight Zone. I have never ever heard of anything so blatant. Get thee to a new club! (Unless, for whatever reason, you'd rather give handjobs and blowjobs).
No, clubs like this exist-where the managers encourage this shit, because it makes them money and they don't care. I promise.
To the OP-Yes, handjobs and blowjobs count as prostitution. If you want to avoid jail, don't do it. If you want to be a good money making dancer, don't do it.
And ye gods-leave that club! As in, don't even go back tomorrow, unless you need to clean out your locker. Read club chat. There are lots of club in Maryland. Read hustle hut about how to make money without sexin' everyone. Read around in general to get a feel for stripperyness. Maybe you need to start somewhere stage only to get a feel for it?
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vivianbear
Again, I'd have to know more about where this "dancer" works. Sexi86, do you make drink commision?
Here, women do stuff like heavy table dances (where you would catch the kissing and such) and all for drinks--ladies drinks cost $20-$40 and we get half.
I just wish that you could have clarified "here" better....I assume you mean in your particular club; I've never seen anyone do that in the club I worked at in Guam. What they are doing behind closed doors I have no clue, but it just sounds really bad---like you see full out kissing and groping on custies in Guam in general.
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No comments on the substantive questions, which are sufficiently covered and are not my area anyway as a [male] [customer]. However, as a [male] [customer], I also smell a troll.
1. "Gee, should I not be doing blow jobs?" Cmon....reminds me of George Costanza when he was fired for having sex on his desk with the cleaning lady. "Is that wrong? Is that frowned upon here? Because if I had ANY idea that kind of thing wasn't allowed here......."
2. The whole tone of the OP's posts just sound off....esoterically, like when you hear a profoundly deaf person speak. You can understand it, but there is just something off there.
I'm not buying it.
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sexyi86
& why do my posts seem like trolling? I honestly DUNNO & I'm confused & lost. I thought my questions seemed normal...maybe a little naive but they seem reasonable to me...
Well, BrodieLux got accused of it once herself a few months ago, also having a 100+ post count, so maybe flipping it around on you felt really good, I dunno. :confused:
Tho I'm not gonna lie....the reaction in my mind was like wtf, you cannot be serious, but you deserve the benefit of the doubt. Shoooot--I know alllll about having "naive" expections of custys sitting on their hands during a dance, then being promptly thrown into a world of full out straddling, breast groping, every single guy attempting to lick nipples and kiss. How many people can honestly say they were all about business and sales in their first few weeks? No. It's like, am I stage dancing right, lapdancing right. My first club was in the Bronx---you have my sympathy. Some girls are just lucky enough to start out stripping in a low-contact environment, and so are better prepared when they find themselves in a heavier contact club down the road.
But without a doubt---this club you describe is "extra" unusual--a straight jack shack, not talking about "heavy contact clubs" even....get out.
I mean whoops, you walked into the wrong club for your first club. Not that hard to do!!!! Also wanted to add---there are girls who have stripped for YEARS and still have no earthly idea the shit that other dancers put up nightly, just because of a simple difference in region.
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From my experience, most of the clubs I've worked at in Maryland are pretty reserved. I have a feeling that I know the area that you work and you need to get away from there now. There are so many great clubs in MD where customers can barely touch you so do a search.
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sexyi86
Well I'm a little reserved on telling you guys where I work & in what region because I thought I'm not suppose to tell any personal info to any1...so I'm being cautious. I'll tell you what state though, Maryland.
& yes, the club I dance at is mostly selling drinks to customers so that's why I brought up the drink thing
oh no...
um..do yourself a favor and RUN. Seriously, don't ever set foot in any of the hell holes on the block again. What a nightmare. Those "clubs" aren't even clubs, they're straight up brothels whose owners blatantly pay off the cops. I don't just mean "those clubs are dirty"...I mean literally, they're crackhouses and brothels. I'm sorry that that was your first experience at what you thought was going to be a strip club.
Please go somewhere else. Baltimore has plenty of clubs--try Scores, Hustler, Gold Club, The Ritz, Fantasies...I'm sure there are more that I'm missing. But really...anywhere but the block. :no: That is NOT how normal clubs are run.
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BrodieLux
If you're really not a troll, then I'm sorry for calling you out as one.
What's weird is:
A) It's very strange that a manager and your fellow dancers would be so open about engaging in prostitution. Which is what they are doing. That sounds suspect. It is illegal. And, you're saying they're encouraging you to engage in prostitution? That also sounds strange, because if so, that would be cutting into their supposed edge in the club, wouldn't it? Because if you're not sucking dick, but they are, isn't that better for them? Are they not more competitive? I'm saying your story sounds illogical a number of levels.
Actually, this is exactly standard operating procedure at the clubs on the Block. If you're not from Maryland and don't know about the infamous block clubs, it does sound unbelievable and Twilight-Zone-ish. But it's all true. It's basically one city block full of straight-up whore houses only very thinly veiled as strip clubs. When custies buy a "ladies' drink" that can run upwards of $60, they're not really buying the drink, if you know what I mean. As for cutting into the club's profits...prostitution IS how the club profits. And yes, managers encourage (if not strong-arm) girls to do extras.
I kinda thought she might have been a troll at first too, until she said she worked in MD. Then it clicked. :idea:
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^^ yeah, I thought about that too late--that the OP might not want anyone to know what area she works in. I'm sorry! :(
I agree about Hustler btw...I used to work there, and yeah...I have nothing bad to say about it. :) The money is great, the girls are laid-back, they bring in a good clientele, and the managers are decent people who definitely won't encourage you to suck customers' dicks. :P
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made_of_sequins
^^ yeah, I thought about that too late--that the OP might not want anyone to know what area she works in. I'm sorry! :(
You should edit your reply...She said she didn't want anyone to know the area and you put it right out there where you thought it was.
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iseestars
You should edit your reply...She said she didn't want anyone to know the area and you put it right out there where you thought it was.
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made_of_sequins
^^ yeah, I thought about that too late--that the OP might not want anyone to know what area she works in. I'm sorry!
I agree about Hustler btw...I used to work there, and yeah...I have nothing bad to say about it. The money is great, the girls are laid-back, they bring in a good clientele, and the managers are decent people who definitely won't encourage you to suck customers' dicks.
LOL! It's okay Since it's no mystery now, yes I work in Baltimore.
Mike Parker actually called me from the Hustler & I was thinking about auditioning there but I heard they have a "fat list"? I'm very self-conscious about my body so if they really do have a "fat list", I'd probably make that list :( I also wanted to audition for the GGC but when I e-mailed, no reply :( I got a reply for Fantasies but I read Cal is shady...
Again, I'm not a troll :(
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I worked at Fantasies and I liked it. I didn't think Cal was shady but he is about business. He likes his girls on time, not to miss stage sets, and don't call out a lot. I would try it out. It's mostly stage dancing but lap dancing is an option although if you don't want to lap dance, you will still make pretty good money. I never worked at the Hustler club so I can't give you my opinion on that.
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Alaska
I just wish that you could have clarified "here" better....I assume you mean in your particular club; I've never seen anyone do that in the club I worked at in Guam. What they are doing behind closed doors I have no clue, but it just sounds really bad---like you see full out kissing and groping on custies in Guam in general.
I have worked at three different clubs on Guam in the last two years and have visited literally every club here very frequently. I have seen open-mouth kissing, groping, licking, ect. between dancers and custies on the floor and stage at EVERY strip bar that I've been to at one point in time or another. Yes, this is Guam in general. At my last club in particular, it was every once once in a while amongst just a couple of dancers. It was never something I felt pressure to do myself but I was shocked when I would see it happen for quite some time. I would sometimes ask a dancer directly why she felt it was necessary to do something like make out with a cutsomer in the booth. I've always just gotten half-shrugs and mumbles back. I'm not going to fight with some girls about why they do what they do for business when it doesn't interfere with mine but I will just carefull ask her why and try to find out what she thinks about putting herself in that position. I once had a young dancer break down and cry in front of me when it really clicked in for her that she didn't have to french-kiss customers to get them to buy her drinks. It was obvious that she felt so used and decieved when she found out that others were making the same money or more and NOT doing that.
Most women are not as naive and this is just one more standard in thier business practice.
Sexie86, are your drinks really $60? That's bad ass! I personally love selling high-priced ladies drinks and can give you a bunch of tips on how to do it WITHOUT giving extras in the booth. If you're going to switch clubs, good luck. Don't get so hung up on your looks, though.
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iseestars
I worked at Fantasies and I liked it. I didn't think Cal was shady but he is about business. He likes his girls on time, not to miss stage sets, and don't call out a lot. I would try it out. It's mostly stage dancing but lap dancing is an option although if you don't want to lap dance, you will still make pretty good money. I never worked at the Hustler club so I can't give you my opinion on that.
Oh that doesn't sound bad at all! I'm definately a dedicated worker no matter what I do so I think Cal's view & mine will work out fine. I read that Cal is shady because he expects "extras" from the dancers
Oh & the other posters suggested Hustler but isn't Hustler on the Block too? I thought I saw a huge Hustler sign on the Block
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Find a new club..there are PLENTY in MD that are much better. Sounds like a club in particular that I have spoken about. I didn't work there, just had a bad experience. If this is all for real, get out...there's MUCH better places.
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Just go to Gold Club and talk to someone. There is at least one girl I know of that works there, but I'm not going to name names. If she wants to be known she'll say so herself.
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This thread is insane. I will never understand girls who work in block clubs. Clearly you know how to use the internet- do some research and find a better club. oh yeah, and hustler is in fact on the block, but it isn't run like a block club.
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iseestars
You should edit your reply...She said she didn't want anyone to know the area and you put it right out there where you thought it was.
sigh. I know; like I said it didn't occur to me not to name places until after I posted...and had already been quoted. I apologize.
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sexyi86
I read that Cal is shady because he expects "extras" from the dancers
Yea, I heard that rumor too but he doesn't really associate with the girls all that much. He never hit on me and I never heard any girls complaining about it that worked there. He's only in there like 3 nights a week anyway and they are the busiest nights so he was always usually busy. Scores is another club that I liked. Especially the food there, lol. But only work night there, dayshift was slow when I worked it last year and I heard it hasn't improved much. You can PM me if you want any more information about the clubs.
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sexyi86
1 customer actually complained to management about me how I wouldn't do the things he requested & the manager gave me some heat about it. Is this normal?
You need to find a new SC
i'm not even a dancer yet and I know thats f*cked up. Even if it is the "norm" (which I'm pretty sure it isn't in other clubs, but again I don't know) This place just sounds like a horrible environment :(
Do what you are comfortable with! If your manager is gonna give you shit tell him/her you aren't working at a bunny ranch! good luck