Transitioning- Day to Night, & Different Club Hustle.
alright... I have been meaning to post this for a little while, but I wanted to get a better handle on WHY i am not making good $ at my new club before I went about posting a thread. I need some help from you guys (please!) ... but first off, let me please be selfish and say i really don't want anyone asking me about which clubs to work at in LA/OC (sorry to sound selfish, but everytime i post about LA, i get 6 people asking for advice... and all i can say is IT'S HARD AND MONEY IS SCARCE.) ok. no more being bitchy... anyway....
I feel like a one-trick pony... I've been at my old club for 2 yrs ("E," nude), and just recently left it to start working at a topless club farther north belonging to a well-known chain of clubs. I couldn't deal w/ the brothel-ness of my old place... the shitty attitudes of management/dj's, the expectations of customers, the stained curtains, the condoms on the floor... yeah. it was BAD. There are 5/6 known brothels in LA and my old one was def. one of them. I'm not proud of having worked there but I'm glad I'm not there anymore and I'm glad I kept some boundaries while I WAS there. Anyway... I can't make money for SHIT at the new place. It's a different hustle... and I can't get it. I'm used to selling 50 dollar bed dances, to REGULArs (either girl-regs or club-regs) to whom personality and conversation (as well as what you were willing to do... or at least the illusion...) meant a lot. Now I'm selling 15 dollar bikini dances, and I give GOOD dances... sensual, sexy, not air dances, lots of eye contact, etc... but I think I have a lot working against me that I need to change.
-First of all... At the new club, guys are happy to waste your time sitting and chatting and not buying ANYTHING. I'm used to guys giving you SOME inclination (at my old club they had a pretty good sense of etiquette) of whether or not they planned on buying dances after sitting w/ them for 1 or 2 songs. I need to start asking sooner. (the thing is... NO ONE is getting dances quickly!!! I see lots of girls simply taking forever to get dances... guys take so goddamn long drinking, 'getting to know you,' buying you a drink, pestering you as to why you're not drinking... bah...)
-Second of all- I need to start being more physically flirtatious... and I'm not used to this. Like, sitting in laps and being adorable and fun. *twitch* This is SOOOO not my style.... but the girls who do this seem to get the most dances. I'm also not used to this as sitting on customers' knees/laps was strictly prohibited at E. It was all about being classy on the floor and giving blowjobs in the back. :D (lol... well... I didn't... but you get the point. weird fucking place... homey little brothel.)
-I don't have boobs. I gained some major weight recently because my metabolism's fucked up from my ED, but I am working on losing it, and in general, I don't have tits. Because it's a topless club, almost EVERYone else has boobs. I know I can't think like that & I've never had problems making money w/ my IBTC's before, but sometimes I look around and feel a twinge of inadequacy.
-I'm NOT used to approaching large groups!!!! This severely impedes my ability to work nights. I'm scared!!!! I'm NOT a shy person.... I'm outgoing, quirky, quick on the draw, really funny/sarcastic, but for some idiotic reason, whenever I'm dealing w/ large groups in a stripclub, I suddenly incur some LISP or s STUTTER I never knew I had... umm, FAIL!!!!! EPIC FAIL!!!! :-[
...It takes me about 5 minutes to work out group dynamics... who gets picked on, who is alpha male, who doesn't talk, who knows who from what, who's most likely to buy dances (or not) and I get all SORTS of flustered while trying to figure this shit out!!! How can I not do that?? I've tried approaching groups with the all-inclusive 'hey guys!' but then most will ignore me because they've already been approached by 3 girls exactly like that. fuuuuck.... i need some different tricks for groups. I ask because the new club gets WAY more groups of guys than E... esp. at night, where there actually seems like there's money to be made (it is SOOOO dead during the day... and selling VIP is pretty much out of the question. I've never even offered one yet.) I'm used to dealing with one nice pervert at a time... and making money. Not dealing w/ frustrating group after group and leaving broke.
I think I'm going to start using more of a 'divide and conquer' approach, as one smart lady told me to do... I dunno. E was also easier because of the amount of regulars... I don't like dealing w/ foot traffic and having to sell myself as another dumb stripper. I feel really inadequate. Maybe it's a reflection of personal self-esteem issues lately... or maybe esteem is a reflection of my inability to make $ at the club. I think they're both rolling into each other.
WOw. ok, sorry for this enormously long post. Please, please give me some advice, oh learned ones!!!!!!
Re: Transitioning- Day to Night, & Different Club Hustle.
I'm replying based on the assumption that besides club venue change, you're transitioning from day shift to night shift.
Even as a customer, I could see that a higher % of day customers are there to buy laps versus the night time customer that is more into hanging out & drinking than buying laps. The later would be especially true if your "new" club happens to be built on sports bar theme, as some So Cal alcohol/bikini clubs are.
As for hustle, I think that your idea of sitting on customers laps as a prelude to dance sale :) is a good one- conveys intimacy out of the starting blocks. This seems to be standard practice in at least a couple of Mens Clubs in chain. Good luck in this transition.
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^^^ bahh... i think you're right. shoot, that's the other thing i forgot to mention... this club is ALL ABOUT SPORTS!!! and it's not a small, cozy sport club too... it's a big, wide-open GC club that just happens to get BOOKED for UFC fights, b-ball games, etc.... and it's fucking impossible to rip these dudes away from the games. they come to watch, to drink, and to drool from afar... grahhh. honestly, i am going to try out one more club that's been on my list... i really dislike clubs w/ alcohol and tv.
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ummm... someone, anyone? :-\
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Nearly all the dancers I know who've switched from nights to days swear they'll never go back to nights. Days seem to have more mature guys with $$$ and less young punks in groups. They make more money with less aggravation working days. Of course these girls were all veteran dancers moving into their 30's and I think they may have had something to do with their preference for days.
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... i normally don't like nights, either... i've worked days for 2 years and loved it. but day $$ at this club is simply too different to make staying on days worthwhile.
and this has nothing to do with age or maturity. i'm not terribly young, and i can certainly hold my own w/ more mature customers during the day. Unfortunately, the day customers at this club seem to be very IMMature... and would fit in much better at a regular sportsbar.
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I don't think it's a matter of being able to deal with the older guys as much as it is a matter of not wanting to deal with the younger guys at night.
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honestly, they seem to be the ones who actually come for the dancers. the ones during the day simply want to drink & watch sports.
i never stereotype w/ age... i'm often proved wrong.
and i am (hopefully) asking for some DANCER's perspectives here...
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bem401
I don't think it's a matter of being able to deal with the older guys as much as it is a matter of not wanting to deal with the younger guys at night.
Age has nothing to do with maturity. Not all clubs work the same, ie younger guys come in at night. Assuming this comes off as condescending, especially since the OP has stated already that days have more immaturity, she chose to work nights for a reason.
This is why most guys are not welcome to post in HH. You don't know what you're talking about.
Re: Transitioning- Day to Night, & Different Club Hustle.
I find that when I approach a group of guys, it is important to focus on one mainly, at first. This seems to perk the other guys' interest: if they see a girl totally into one of their friends, their competitive male nature twinges and they might start wanting to get in on the conversation, ie., take your attention away from their friend and put it onto them.
At the same time, when singling out the one guy, you don't want to COMPLETELY ignore his buddies - make them think they could have you, too, with occasional flirty eye contact at them (while smiling!) and then reeling your availability back by looking back at the "target" and keeping him engaged in conversation. Also, they all will appreciate the fact you can "hang with the boys" by intermittently including them in the convo, ie., "and what about you?" or "what do you think?" etc. The "target" might fear losing your attention and try and hold onto it and his friends might subliminally enjoy the competition for your attention. If all goes as planned, you will have them all wanting you!
I hope this makes sense... I had to analyze my group approach which I never really consciously thought about and try and put it into words to convey it to you. I hope my point was clear... I'm about to be late for work so I'm rushing. Let me know what you think!
P.S. Focusing on one guy only, at first, may make you less nervous if you can pretend it is only him for a few minutes while you feel out the vibe of the group and get more comfy. Good luck!
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Is this what you meant by the "divide and conquer" approach?
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dangerousdiva
Age has nothing to do with maturity. Not all clubs work the same, ie younger guys come in at night. Assuming this comes off as condescending, especially since the OP has stated already that days have more immaturity, she chose to work nights for a reason.
This is why most guys are not welcome to post in HH. You don't know what you're talking about.
THANK YOU!!! oy gavult....
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Julie, Julie
Is this what you meant by the "divide and conquer" approach?
awesome advice... i plan on trying out this approach, but i esp. like the 'making sure his friends know you're there & available' part as well.
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Okay I am not sure if you are looking to go to another club, but if you are I would def say to scout around to see how girls are doing at some other clubs... that is what me a couple of my friends did a while back when money was getting bad... there is this one club in the city of industry that is 21 and over and it is more like a bar. I mean when we walked in we thought that it was a joke! like how did anyone make money in this crappy place?! But as the night went on the girls made some pretty good money for the place to be a topless club. and plus the tip out for the night is only 12 bucks no matter what you make! I would work there but it is alil to close for home if you catch my drift, if your cool with alil drive I would suggest it. :)
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I know which club you are talking about. I worked day shit over there about 2 weeks ago but i couldn't take it anymore. A lot of sex activities going on. I wondering how can u work there for 2 years? I make more money in topless club than that shithole though.
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krystel_gotti
Okay I am not sure if you are looking to go to another club, but if you are I would def say to scout around to see how girls are doing at some other clubs... that is what me a couple of my friends did a while back when money was getting bad... there is this one club in the city of industry that is 21 and over and it is more like a bar. I mean when we walked in we thought that it was a joke! like how did anyone make money in this crappy place?! But as the night went on the girls made some pretty good money for the place to be a topless club. and plus the tip out for the night is only 12 bucks no matter what you make! I would work there but it is alil to close for home if you catch my drift, if your cool with alil drive I would suggest it. :)
COI is pretty much known for its brothels, too.... I'm sure it has one or two nice clubs, but it's quite a commute from the LBC. we'll see... i need to give it a bit longer before i start looking again.
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I know which club you are talking about. I worked day shit over there about 2 weeks ago but i couldn't take it anymore. A lot of sex activities going on. I wondering how can u work there for 2 years? I make more money in topless club than that shithole though.
because the money used to be terrific, and the whoring not quite as bad.
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The club krystel is referring to in Industry sounds like Miss Kitty's. It's definitely not all that. There used to be acceptable money there, but it was one of the first places to plunge when the economy got bad, and for the last couple weeks I was there I couldn't even break a hundred. Ain't it a shame.
L.A. is the only place I know of where the alcohol hurts your money. You're better off doing nude. L.A. guys can get bikini lapdances at any regular club for free and they know that, and most of them go to topless clubs just to drink and party with each other. The nude-club customers are there for the girls and the girls only, because that's all there is. The mileage is higher, but you can be relatively clean and still make better money than you would topless.