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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
Biggieman
I just figured showing repeated interest, regardless of the amount, was indication enough. Ahh well.
Everything is relative on the stage tipping thing. If you're doing what 50 other guys are doing, its bound not to be regarded as exceptional. I've sadly been in clubs where a few $1 tips is exceptional.
I've stated time and time again, the most assured way to get a dancer's interest is to forgo dropping "hints" and go up to her on stage with $2-5 and to explicitly ask if she's free to come over when finished, even going so far to point out where you're sitting.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
doc-catfish
Everything is relative on the stage tipping thing. If you're doing what 50 other guys are doing, its bound not to be regarded as exceptional. I've sadly been in clubs where a few $1 tips is exceptional.
I've stated time and time again, the most assured way to get a dancer's interest is to forgo dropping "hints" and go up to her on stage with $2-5 and to explicitly ask if she's free to come over when finished, even going so far to point out where you're sitting.
Gotcha. Tip more at the stage to stick out from the rest. That's really obvious when you write it out and look at it, lolz.
This is funny. I never intended this to become about why dancers don't approach me, just single guys in general. I always end up getting my girls' attention somehow. But from the responses, the smart dancers do go for the single guys, so in my case it just says something about some of the girls at my club. Either way, I've learned some stuff, and knowing is half the battle. Getting lapdances is the other half.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
My first and only champagne room was with a pair of friends. The other stripper who sat down next to me convinced one of the guys to go and the other followed. This lead me to start approaching pairs and groups instead of single guys, because i assumed another girl will probably come along with a better hustle than i have and convince em to do dances. Unfortuantely i realize now that that day was just really really really lucky, and you are right, groups dont spend, and also now a lot of the girls coming up to the group are overpowering me because theyre a lot more outgoing thus fucking up my game.
I now go up to the single guys before i approach the group.
As for why some girls go up to groups instead of single guys, I suppose it could also be an odds game. they figure if there is more than one guy, one of them is bound to get some dances. Also, sometimes if its a bachelor party, one of the guys will just give you a hundred for going up to them and tell you to give the bachelor some dances. this has only happened to me a few times though.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
Biggieman
I can only speak for myself, but anytime I tip it's because I think you're doing a good job on the stage or because I want to talk to you and maybe get a dance. I've never tipped out of pity, no matter how dead it is. I always go at night, so it's usually not dead enough where I'd even need to do that. I only sit at the stage when I'm gonna tip. I'd rather sit back at a table and see who's coming out before I go up there.
I guess I could be considered a "regular". I only really go to one club, but only a couple times a month, sometimes only once in a month. I don't think I go often enough where all the girls even recognize me (some do), let alone know which girls I prefer, but I guess you never know what's being said backstage. An interesting thought though. If anything, the girls at my club should see that I spend money every time and come over more often. I also have 7 or 8 favorites there, not just 1 or 2. It all depends who's working the night I go in.
Very good points, thanx. I am proud to say I've never done any variation of the "you better earn this dollar" thing. I'm not gonna insult a girl I'm interested in by doing that.
I guess I've just gotta convince one girl at a time that I spend money.
There lies your problem. A 1 dollar tip makes you seem cheap. Why would you tip so little if you are interested in the girl? If a guy tips me a dollar I figure its just a pity tip and he is not even slightly attracted to me, either that or he is a cheap bastard who will try to feel me up the whole dance (and this assumption is from experience). Tip 5 or more if you want a dance.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
bebewood
Tip 5 or more if you want a dance.
I get it!!! ;D
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
i.breathe.in
^exactly, 1 dollar is the norm so why would she think you were anything but just a regular tipper.^
so sad a dollar is considered norm for a stage tip these days....
perhaps this should be another thread....but recently I've gone to a few clubs, where I do tip more than lets say $3 per time the dancer comes buy. So figure a 3 song set, maybe 10-15 all together.
I've noticed that girl gets off stage, and then goes to hustle other people.
Maybe its just me, but, wouldn't you make a Bee-line to the guy who was just at the stage tipping you "more" than other guys?
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
^ Maybe. Maybe not. If I have a guy that tipped me $1 and I know I'm going to start dancing for on the very next song without any small talk beforehand and then I can get out of there then I'd probably go to him first because it's quick and easy. It's weird stripper logic and you'd probably just have to be a dancer to know what I'm really talking about.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
G-Real
perhaps this should be another thread....but recently I've gone to a few clubs, where I do tip more than lets say $3 per time the dancer comes buy. So figure a 3 song set, maybe 10-15 all together.
I've noticed that girl gets off stage, and then goes to hustle other people.
Maybe its just me, but, wouldn't you make a Bee-line to the guy who was just at the stage tipping you "more" than other guys?
ask her to come see you after.
are you still sitting at the stage?
some girls do not feel comfortable approaching guys who are sitting at the tip rail. some dancers get pissed off when girls approach guys sitting at the tip rail when they are on stage.
in fact, some clubs do not allow girls to do it at all.
we're allowed at my club and i do it all the time (as do most of the girls at my club) i'm just saying. i HAVE worked at 2 other clubs where it was not allowed.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I actually very much prefer the single guys over groups. If you're by yourself you usually mean business (in my experience) as opposed to a group of guys just trying to party and waste space. I never know who to go up in big groups either, I could try working one guy that has no interest in me when his friend has been eyeing me all night and is too nervous to say anything.
So the answer is to your question, is probably because the girls think groups mean more money, when it's usually just more of a hassle.
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Pretty_Penny
however, i will say that i prefer groups of 3 or more to "two guys". i don't know why, but 2 guys is almost always the hardest for me unless there's a girl i LIKE working with going up with me (and that's rare.. since i prefer working alone).
The cool thing about this situation (2 guys) is that if you are all alone with them and they end up liking you (why wouldn't they!) they could end up fighting over who's going to take you to VIP.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I've also noticed a phenomenon where dancers will pull up a chair with a bunch of guys and sit for a long time. I don't know if it's only after circling the club looking for single guys or not, but I don't think so as I often find myself thinking, "When is **SHE** going to get up from that table? She's been there ever since I walked in!?!"
I don't know why it happens.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I have a quick comment on this. THere are girls that I like at the club i go to. and there used to be this one who I really liked at one time. Not sure if I still do. But I always tipped her more that five dollars at the stage. told her I wanted her to come and see me and we'll play a little bit(private dance) and then the next thing I know she went to a group of guys and had privates with them instead of me. Where she just talked to them and didn't make anything off of them except a couple dollars for table dances and drinks. I found that extremely rude. luckily Brit my other favorites was there and got a few private dances with her. when I wanted a few from the other one. She knew I wanted a few dances from her. But I guess you snooze you loose. Do other girls do this? even if I say hey Lets go do a few privates and play a little bit for a song or two or three or more. I just find it extremely rude.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I totally understand this question....
I dont get it. I generally avoid groups of guys unless it is a group of businessmen. I do so much better with the single guys. I never understood the girls who ignore the guys sitting by themselves, especially if that guy has shown an interest.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
That's funny, I'd always approach the single guys and avoid the groups for the exact reasons you stated. Weird.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
sergifed91
I have a quick comment on this. THere are girls that I like at the club i go to. and there used to be this one who I really liked at one time. Not sure if I still do. But I always tipped her more that five dollars at the stage. told her I wanted her to come and see me and we'll play a little bit(private dance) and then the next thing I know she went to a group of guys and had privates with them instead of me. Where she just talked to them and didn't make anything off of them except a couple dollars for table dances and drinks. I found that extremely rude. luckily Brit my other favorites was there and got a few private dances with her. when I wanted a few from the other one. She knew I wanted a few dances from her. But I guess you snooze you loose. Do other girls do this? even if I say hey Lets go do a few privates and play a little bit for a song or two or three or more. I just find it extremely rude.
Would you find it more rude if she told you she didn't want you as a client anymore?
I've given customer's the brush off before simply because I didn't wish to see him anymore. Just like a regular can tire of his favorite dancer, dancers can get tired of their regulars, too.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
charlie61
As most of the girls said above, I always go to the single guys. In fact, I don't think I've ever approached a group. Way too intimidating.
An aside: in the rare cases where I go to a SC as a part of a group, the desirability of a dancer who approaches my group skyrockets in my eyes. I recognize that it is very difficult to approach a bunch of guys. When a dancer does approach us, all that I can say to myself is "wow, she is so self-confident; she must be good."
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I dont' approach groups, unless they call me over, which is rare. I like the single guys. in my experience groups = douches
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I go alone about 70% of the time, the 30% when I'm with one or more other guys, frankly, I'm a much harder sell for dances....we get plenty of dancers approaching, but I tend to avoid chatting them up, and defer them to my friends, and it works...my friend(s) will chat with them, and after a while, when he is asked for a dance, he will mumble some response about how he is 'waiting', and the dancer will leave with no cash exchanged....that's really how it goes, and I'm equally perplexed as to why dancers approach groups so often :O
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I hate going to the club as part of a group. Because typically, you end up with a couple of the guys in the group trying to show each other up by trying to impress the ladies, and they end up being disrespectful. And then word gets round that the group is a problem, and then the girls avoid the group. No dances, no fun.
I frequented a club on Canada's East Coast for many years and invariably, I was always struck by how some dancers were drawn into the groups that showed up and then spent all night with them. Sure they got drinks bought for them, but inevitably, it appeared they got far fewer dances. It struck me as strange.
I always go to a club with the intention of getting a dance or 20, but I also don't want to have to chase after a dance no matter how attractive I find the dancer. Having said that, my policy is that if a dancer stops to talk with me, I will buy her a drink and at least one dance. Rarely does it turn out to be one dance.
I remember one night in this club having every dancer sitting at my table (it was a small club with 5 dancers). Why? Because they all took the time to approach me at some point, I always bought the dancers a drink, and I always bought them a dance or two (or more). And I treated them with respect. When I went to the washroom, a couple of guys from the group at the next table followed me to ask "what makes you so special that all the girls are sitting with you?" Fortunately for me, the bouncer intervened to find out what their "trouble" was.
It is fun to go to the club with a buddy, but the group thing doesn't interest me as a customer because I think it inhibits interaction with the dancers.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I never go a club with anybody else, and (since I got eddicated by Stripperweb as to how to go about it) never have had a problem with getting the dancer I wanted to dance for me.
However, if in your club the dancers only approach groups, the solution is simple: go with a group. If the dancers still avoid you, it is time to start looking at stuff like personal hygiene, your behavior, etc.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
first off, plenty of guys who go alone are cheap or broke. plenty of them don't get dances. plenty of guys in groups do. groups are made up of individuals after all. it's very common for a guy to go to a club alone "just to hang out" and maybe tip a couple girls he likes but doesn't want (or can't afford) dances from. very common.
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-I tip the normal $1, but if it's a girl I like I'll stay at the stage for her whole set and tip her 3 or 4 times. That should be a good indicator of interest, but usually if I tip someone that many times I've already asked them to come over when they're done. Like I said, most times I will ask that, but it just baffles me that girls don't sense that interest and take advantage of it when I don't ask. And I'm not just saying me, but any guy that's alone. Someone that chooses to come alone probably isn't just there to drink, unless he's sitting at the bar.
the normal dollar is a dollar PER SONG, not a dollar per set. if a girl is up for 3 songs, especially if she's "working" for the money, there's nothing special about that amount. the fact that you moved to the stage for her show doesn't mean that you want dances. it means you wanted an up close show. a lot of guys tip without wanting dances. last night i got around 5$ from several guys during one set, none of whom wanted dances.
if you ask her to come over without asking for dances, she probably thinks you want to talk. now i realize a lot of guys like this are interested in getting dances, but only if the dancer wins them over first.
if a customer wants dances from a particular girl, he should ask her to come dance for him when she gets off stage. maybe you want us to be mind readers or "work for it", come over and talk to you and try to win you over...but we love being asked...enough that you'll probably get a better dance than you would have if she asked you. at least i know i give better dances to guys who ask me. but i'm a sucker for flattery.
as for sensing your interest...of course we sense your interest. you're a guy in a strip club. of course you're interested. it's your intent they can't sense...if you want them to, you'd better try something different.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
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Originally Posted by
sergifed91
I have a quick comment on this. THere are girls that I like at the club i go to. and there used to be this one who I really liked at one time. Not sure if I still do. But I always tipped her more that five dollars at the stage. told her I wanted her to come and see me and we'll play a little bit(private dance) and then the next thing I know she went to a group of guys and had privates with them instead of me. Where she just talked to them and didn't make anything off of them except a couple dollars for table dances and drinks. I found that extremely rude.
I understand what you are saying, but I would not characterize it as "rude" but as unfortunate (from your point of view) part of doing business. As a customer or as a vendor you may expand resources to close a deal, but the other party that you are trying to attract is not interested in closing the deal.
I do not think that a dancer is in any way obligated to dance for you simply because you tipped her well, anymore than you are obligated to buy a dance from a dancer simply because she was dancing her butt off on stage trying to get your business.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I've always looked young for my age (i.e. broke-ass kid), and I used to have the problem of getting attention in the club. Then I started dressing overly-well for the level of the establishment (not for the appearance of money as much as for the indication of my age), and bringing in a lot of singles to tip freely and generously. I noticed a positive change, and the extra money spent is well worth it for the overall improved experience.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
When guys have come in in groups when I danced, one of two things often happened:
I would either give many dances to one guy, as custy was egged on by pals to get more, or I would give lots of dances to several people in the group. Either way, I'd often bank.
Now once in a while there was the scenario where no one wanted a dance, but as I was rarely the type to waste excessive time on someone who clearly wasn't gonna buy, especially with any sort of crowd, then I would exit.
So...usually guys alone are a great bet. But in many cases crowds can be great too.
And in my experience more than once I was the one approached to come over and dance by someone in a crowd, whereas with a lone guy the dancer often has to initiate.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I pick lonely looking older guys 40 and older when they are alone. They usually say yes after they've had a couple beers. If I team up with another dancer I'll try the group. I usually am better one on one.
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Re: Why go over to the group of guys instead of the single guys who are ready to spen
I do well with lonely dudes. ;)