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i agree. luckily there is not a lot of that going on at my club but i swear every new girl that comes in tries it. they all think its ok to full on kiss customers (and there is ONE private room in my club -- they arent doing it back there. they do it out in the open, on the floor). i can think of 3 new girls that have done it right out in the open. not a peck, either.
one new girl got in trouble her first night for letting guys touch her boobs. the next night she was pulling her thong aside while she was lapdancing (you know how my club is set up -- this is literally surrounded by other people) and said she DIDNT KNOW THAT WASNT ALLOWED. ok, so its ok to let them do that but not touch your boobs. right.
luckily it doesnt affect my money too much bc theres not much they can do out in the open. but there is one girl that i know goes home with customers and i assume 2 others do as well. the first is a pretty high earner. >:(
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i know.last night my first dance customer was like his old girl got fired. said he would play with his dick for him. and on stage of all places i sat and watched this damn girl pull aside her thong to show her stuff
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I've given up trying to explain to girls how they need to do less for their money, because they don't believe it anyway. Girls who JUST turned dancer are in the back letting guys suck on their bewbs, almost immediately. Does no one learn the word 'no' anymore?
Keep your boundaries Starfire. We need more clean girls in the world!
Britt your club sounds great, if they actually correct the idiot girls. We've had a few girls fired, but not nearly enough.
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RoseLeigh
Britt your club sounds great, if they actually correct the idiot girls. We've had a few girls fired, but not nearly enough.
not always, of course. the girls dont get fired. they get yelled at horribly though, and the manager tries everything he can to make them cry. i guess he figures making them feel like shit about what they did is worse than just firing them. it can be pretty amusing watching him call them out as dumbasses while they look for excuses.
but, as far as i know, (and i usually know pretty much everything that goes on there -- its a small club lol -- one of the bouncers said me and my best friend have tabs on EVERYONE) there are no hand jobs, blow jobs, etc going on. the nice thing is that lap dances are out in the open like i said, and vip, the camera is behind the bar so ANYONE who works there can watch it at any time. its so easy to catch girls.
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britt244
not always, of course. the girls dont get fired. they get yelled at horribly though, and the manager tries everything he can to make them cry. i guess he figures making them feel like shit about what they did is worse than just firing them. it can be pretty amusing watching him call them out as dumbasses while they look for excuses.
well if they're fired, I guess they'd just whore it up at some other clubs, so better that they learn. One of our managers actual gave a demo of what not to do in a $20 dance at our meeting which was hysterical (esp cause he lap danced on me!). He told the girls WHY they weren't selling VIPs (because they give it all away for $20 and do stuff you aren't even supposed to do in the VIP) and yet, they still don't get it. They fired a girl for getting naked in the CR with a couple (also naked) and going to town on the wife of the couple. Seriously-who does that?
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we have one girl left that does icky things with customers, we have yet another different girl that gets fingered. guess which two are our highest earnings girls?
it is sad but sometimes the clubs don't care as long as they make money.
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of course most of us hate "extras girls", but what about "extras customers"? most girls use the argument that guys are willing to buy from whatever girl is willing to "do the most contact/extras". while that might be -true- to an extent, doesn't it mean that the problem in general is bigger than just the girls? isn't the problem that the industry is heading this way as a whole? are there guys who DON'T want extras/heavy contact? sure there are, but they are starting to be more and more rare.
in my opinion, the customers who are looking for very heavy contact and/or extras are NOT going to spend much (if any) money on you EVEN IF there are no "extras girls" in your club. am i saying it doesn't matter? absolutely not. i'm just saying that those guys are looking for something you are not selling. period. so unless you LIE to them (which i don't recommend) your chances of selling are low.
the problem is that our industry is really two "products" (sorry it's a lame metaphor, i know) that are fairly opposite one another but are trying to coexist. for lack of a better explanation i'll just call those products "reality" and "fantasy". reality being actual sex (or damned close to it) and fantasy being entertainment only.
customers are usually looking for one or the other and dancers are usually selling one or the other. you can argue till your blue in the face that they SHOULDN'T be selling "reality" (and i'll agree...not in the clubs anyway) but that doesn't change the fact that a shit-ton of men are seeking it out, are willing to buy, and think it's perfectly acceptable and even EXPECTED to find at a SC. if you don't believe that, think back to all the "confused" looks you've gotten when you tell a guy he can't have X X and X "even if" he has X amount of money. it's exactly why a good amount of customers don't "get the point" of buying dances. or they say things like "what are you going to DO for it?" as if dancing for them was some sort of scam or fake service. why do they think that? because it's not what they -intended-. it's not what the ideal transaction they had in mind was. they are thinking "how does this girl expect to make money if she's not even etc etc etc".
i guess my point is this:
it's a cycle, and unfortunately the word "stripper" has become, to many people, synonymous with the word "prostitute". the girls doing extras are only a part of the problem. if they all vanished tomorrow you would see a decline in the amount of customers on a whole. more customers interested in buying "entertainment" wouldn't just simply come out of the woodworks, and guys looking for BJs wouldn't just simply start "settling for less" either.
the biggest plus i can see to there being no more extras girls in the clubs, is simply the lack of annoyance in trying to sell to extras seeking/pushy customers. not that isn't a BIG plus.
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I'm very annoyed by 'extras managers'-the people who allow it. I think they are more of the problem. And I think a number of custies have become extras customers because girls straight up offer it, unzip them, etc. They might not have considered it before, but if some chick is coming up to them and saying she'll do stuff, it's different from the guy who seeks it out. If those girls were tossed out, the 'turning' of custies into johns would not be so prevalent.
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RoseLeigh
I think a number of custies have become extras customers because girls straight up offer it, unzip them, etc. They might not have considered it before, but if some chick is coming up to them and saying she'll do stuff, it's different from the guy who seeks it out. If those girls were tossed out, the 'turning' of custies into johns would not be so prevalent.
see... i don't buy that. i mean, i get what you're saying and i agree that it happens. but i still think the majority of guys are looking for one thing or the other and are going to stick by that decision. i think most of the guys who come in looking for entertainment only are going to be like "woah, woah, wtf?" if a girl starts trying to pull their dick out.
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see... i don't buy that. i mean, i get what you're saying and i agree that it happens. but i still think the majority of guys are looking for one thing or the other and are going to stick by that decision. i think most of the guys who come in looking for entertainment only are going to be like "woah, woah, wtf?" if a girl starts trying to pull their dick out.
Mostly I think it might be in their heads, but not actually a possibility until surprise! Extras girl comes along. Mostly I've seen this with the kind of guy who has a regular girl, who he then ditches b/c some girl does more for less. For the usual, every once in a while club goer, I agree, he has an agenda. Though I think the set up and management of a lot of clubs has put a lot of ideas about prostitution into formerly more repressed/nervous male brains.
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Mostly I think it might be in their heads, but not actually a possibility until surprise! Extras girl comes along. Mostly I've seen this with the kind of guy who has a regular girl, who he then ditches b/c some girl does more for less...
This was the story of my life when I was dancing. I was always the hottest, best, greatest girl in the world until....
I actually had a guy one night say "Why would I continue to take you in the VIP and spend hundreds of dollars for just lap dances when so-and-so will give me *insert random sexual act* here in the corner for 5$ a song?"
He used to be one of my best, got a taste of the dark side and never even so much as looked in my direction ever again.
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Extras and strip club go hand in hand. It makes sh*t harder, but its not gonna change. I just focus on my hustle, the xtra girls cant get to every guy. xtra girls can have my custies when im done with them---and their pockets are already empty. whatev
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You'd think... But honestly, how many men do you think would turn down a HJ or BJ from a hot stripper? Especially if they've been drinking?
lots. honestly. believe it or not plenty of men DO think about stuff like disease/being faithful/getting arrested. also, not every guy becomes suddenly "ok" with paying for sex once it's offered. getting drunk and going home with a girl at a bar is one thing, paying a girl (hot or not) to blow you is another.
like i said, i'm not saying some guys don't "make that choice" AFTER they go in their not expecting it. i just don't think it's the majority by any means.
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This drives me crazy ! Now that we are licensed by the city, the club owners don't have any responsibility if girls are caught. There are a handful of girls at my club who always make money but they aren't dancers .They are whores . There is so much sucking and fucking and fingering going on in our club it is ridiculous and It cuts into our money FOR SURE. I have trouble getting repeat dances from customers who have gotten dances from other girls. A girlfriend of mine recently told me she's resorted to "grabbin' some dick" because times are tough . And another girl I know has invented "the cookie cutter" which is basically a frontal wedgie. No wonder everyone thinks we are prostitutes.
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Thanks for the supportive replies ladies. I really needed to rant. I just think it's a sad state when clean girls can't make as much as the dirty ones, and that's how it is sometimes.
Pretty penny, what you're saying about extras customers makes sense to a point. We all know there are mileage hounds out there- we could check the blue side and read about it. BUT, like other girls were saying, we've all had that nice customer that suddenly wouldn't dance with us anymore, because x girl was either going to dance cheaper or perform extras. Nice customer would never have thought it was an option til dirty extras girl made him aware.
I swear if no one offered extra stuff, no one would have to do it. If every guy knew there was no way to get extras in the strip club from any girl, I think they would all behave themselves a lot better and we would all be making more money.
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wow this shit sucks!!
i havent seen anything too bad happen at my club. a few girls have been fired for doing stuff like letting guys suck their tits and one girl got thrown out by the manager in front of the custie she was dancing for and who she was letting finger her. it was funny! he was even trying to defend her saying they weren't doing anything and she's going "Im getting fired" LOL stupid bitch.
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Sat night, in vip, *** across from me dancing without her top on. I glare, *** puts top back on she had it all the way off, on the arm of the chair! Continue dancing, a minute later, bouncer checks in, sees the guys hand on her hip tells the guy to keep his hands to himself. WTF???? what the fuck are the cameras for if your not going to use them????
*** comes into dressing room later, sees me and says "sorry, I'm drunk, I didn't know what I was doing"
Two weeks ago doing a double dance with another girl, I catch her letting him suck her tits. When I give her THE LOOK she says "sorry, I didn't think you could see me."
We're on the same lap and you think I wont see what you're doing?????
And we wonder why the guys are confused.....
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Two weeks ago doing a double dance with another girl, I catch her letting him suck her tits. When I give her THE LOOK she says "sorry, I didn't think you could see me."
Not exactly contrite, was she?
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Starfire
Warning guys, this is a rant.
I'm really fucking sick of extras girls. FUCKING sick of it. It's hard to compete when it's not a level playing field, when other girls are doing extra things (breaking the rules of the club AND the laws, not just doing stuff I find personally tacky or something) that I'm not willing to do. It's fucking up my money, and it makes me really depressed when I can see ugly, fucked up face lift extras girl counting her money at the end, and realize she has made twice as much as me.
seriously I wish I didn't have boundaries and I could just be dirty and nasty too.
Just needed to get that off my chest....
maybe her game is better than your's... Unless you have personally seen her doing extras right in front of you, you don't know. If you have than you can consider your club a brothel and in that case, why are you working there?
I understand your pain but you claim she is being dirty and nasty like most do but I am so sick of some ugly/dumb brat thinking she is entitled to the money I make and god i must be doing extra's because of it. Or god, she is so much prettier but the truth is YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A GYM IN YEARS.
I am not trying to be mean, there are always two sides to every story.
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I actually had a guy one night say "Why would I continue to take you in the VIP and spend hundreds of dollars for just lap dances when so-and-so will give me *insert random sexual act* here in the corner for 5$ a song?"
I experienced something similar recently and got so pissed, I left early (I was also tired and that was the last straw).
I considered, for a second, telling one of the managers, but HATE to be the tattle-tale or "rat."
The following week, another girl and I were talking to one of the managers, and she brought this point up, to which he responded, "YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TELL US WHEN THAT HAPPENS, B/C THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT HERE!"
Huh. Do you think telling is wise since he encouraged it, or will I just be "the trouble maker"?
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^^^
Oh, and yes Laans, I know you're reading this... can't hide anymore!
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I know it's not encouraged for guys to post here, but I feel that I should share my support for the OP.
I have gotten a dance a few times at a club and been good and kept my hands at my side and had a good time of it. But the other night this girl comes up and whispers to me asking if I'd like a "really special dance." Feeling a bit down that night and hoping for a pick me up I agreed to it and followed her to the back.
The dance started innocently enough with her putting my hands places I wouldn't have touched with a stripper otherwise, but then it all went wrong. She got up on the sofa whilst completely nude, thrust her girl parts towards my face, and told me to lick.
I suppose perhaps I'm just a bit of a wimp, but that freaked me the hell out. So for whatever it's worth, I'll be looking for the no extra girls from now on.
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a girl got fired tonight. finally. it only took letting guys (and girls!) finger and eat her out a ton of times, and trying to pay out for topless dances when she was doing nudes.. thank god. she wasnt really cutting into my money bc we rarely dance with the same types. but at least now maybe other girls will be scared.
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Of course you were freaked, man... imagine all the other tongues that were all over that thing that night!
Why oh why would any guy think that's safe and hygienic?