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my point was, as i said earlier in this thread, that just because you're a top earner at YOUR club does not mean you would be elsewhere. at my club i'm typically in the top 5 girls for the night. but since i only work at my club that does not necessarily mean i would be a top girl at another club. and there's no way to say since i don't DO it to know. yes, there are girls who have worked and been a top earner at many clubs. however, there are those of us out there who are top earners at OUR club and we can't say that we would be all the time. i understand what you're saying, but i don't agree that it's so cut and dry.
for example, if we took a poll of which girls are top earners at THEIR particular club, and then all those girls worked TOGETHER in a club, well, they couldnt ALL be top earners.
Thanks for pointing that out, Britt.
Like I said in my last post tho....
"However, I still believe that the difference is so inconsequential that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would."
I'm sorry but if your a top earner in one club, you may not instantly be a top earner at a another club... But eventually with time you would be. Why? Because you have the street smarts, the logic, the know how, the drive to do so. If you've done it once you can do it again. I honestly believe that. But like I said before I still really think that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would.
I'm not saying that if your in the lower %80 that you shouldn't post... just that you should be more humbled in your approach. It's really just annoying to have people soliciting advice when they aren't experts in their field. Just like how I would rather buy a book by someone who has dedicated their life to researching the topic of the book... rather than someone who has only put in a few years of research into the topic. I'm sure the person who has done a few years of research still has something to say, but they should have the perspective that there are other people out there that have more expertise on the topic than they do... and when they don't it's rather annoying. thats all.
I was just offering the %10-20 thing as a somewhat casual idea as to who can really post here with confidence that they have expertise. Nothing that I think is set in stone... but rather a very good concept.
If your club is FULL of hustlers and they make more than you... then why not ask them what THEY are doing and pass that on to us rather than what you are doing thats not making as much as they are.... you get me?
I've been dancing 2 years. But really, I have no way of knowing if I'm the top earner anymore. I used to be, but unless the club takes a cut of your dances and pays all the girls out at the same time *cough* Deja Vu *cough* how do you know? I'm not going to be that girl asking all the other dancers in the locker room "What have you made tonight? How many dances did you sell?"
I posted a thread called New Girl Money awhile back - not that I'm new, just that I switched clubs and banked my first few days. I think it had some good tips in it, if nothing else it's a fresh angle. I've posted a Zen thread as well. I try to keep things positive and offer fun, honest techniques when I find ones that have worked for me. But I've only been at this for 2 years, and I dunno if I'm a top earner. It's likely that I'm not these days, but I'm a clean dancer in a high milage club. So, if my threads were unwelcome, then I'm sorry.
We get to look at the tip out sheets & number of dances at the end of the night. Helps to keep tabs on how you're doing in comparison to everyone else.
i hope that your "you" is a general "you" and not directed towards me. have i disagreed that its annoying for new girls to be posting their "omg do NOT do this"? noo. in fact, i said it before you did in this thread. all i'm disagreeing with is the fact that if you are a top earner at your club, you can be one anywhere.
another example - you dont need skill to be a top earner. there is a girl at my club that's a top earner and it's because she ANNOYS THE HELL out of the guys til they say yes. she does NOT give up. she will ask a guy 8 times til he gets sick of her asking and just goes with her.
whatever, like DD said, i'm not turning this into a pissing contest. as i said, poll the girls here, find out who is a top earner at THEIR club, and then ask yourself if it is POSSIBLE for all of those girls to be at the top if they all worked together.
lol, i think thats the hard part... knowing how much other girls are making : ) I remember a few years back thinking that I was doing alright (it had been a 500 night) when I saw my boss cashing a few girls out for like over a grand for the champagne they had sold. lol they looked at me like "girl you have no idea how to hustle" and they drove off in their beamers.... that had been after 2 years of dancing! I was very humbled that night.... lol... i've had a few nights like that since then too! And even though at my last club I was able to cheat and look at the drink and dance list at the end of the night while cashing out I've still had a few humbling experiences (wow she made WHAT tonight???) Even though I was usually one of the top %20 of girls... some nights I wasn't. Some WEEKS I wasn't... especially when I got pregnant. (BTW my son's name is Zen ;D ^^^)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I agree that it's really hard to draw the line. I just wish there were a magic stripper fairy that could answer all our questions for us.
I think thats whats really important to though... to just continue asking questions. You can always keep learning no matter how advanced you are right? Thats the way I see it at least. Sorry if i made it seem like posting in here should be so super exclusive.
Maybe SW could consider having girls put how long they've been dancing for next to their pictures so we can have perspective on how much experience they have when we read their posts..... just an idea i'm throwing out there.....
It wasn't directed toward one person in particular rather to everyone as a whole.
And hey... if all the top earners worked together then they should do what i said before... ask the girls who are the top earners out of all of them what THEY are doing thats bringing more money than they are.
And hey just cause she annoys the hell out of guys to make money doesn't mean she doesn't have some kind of skill... in fact she's definitely got one.... the skill of annoying the hell out of guys until they give her money! I sure as hell couldn't do that! And hey... if it works it works right? thats the point of HH... to learn how to make money... maybe we could actually learn something from her... I mean if she's making money theres got to be SOMETHING to it! I by all means am not condoning irritating customers I'm merely making a point that just because you don't have to be intelligent to perform a skill it doesn't mean that it's not a skill.
NewMoon... Deep breath chica. Take a step back. No one is passing a rule. We are not a community who will pass a rule and make you hold to it, even if we could do so.
Just step back and see how frustrating it is to those dancers who have been dancing for years, not months, to sift through the crap that someone who has only been dancing a few months/weeks/days keeps posting — and I'm not saying that to you directly, but instead as a general example. That "Top Earners" thread pissed off a lot of people because there's a TOOOONNN of horrible advice in there. a TON. No make that A SHITTON. So, realize that this is bigger than just you, and maybe realize that your opinion has been heard, and arguing it even more is gonna turn more folks against you/r opinion.
No one doubted that you might have advice to give, but realize that it's not the end all be all as far as advice goes, and maybe you should read more than posting, since you are still a newbie in the grand scheme of this job.
I'm done trying to get through to you, if this post doesn't work, nothing will.
I totally appreciate the frustation. Please don't think for a moment that I am happy with the current state of hustle hut. I was just arguing that making such a rule and enforcing it was not the way to go. That's it.
I really do read A TON. I've read a lot of sales and influence books and I read hustle hut all the time. Trust me, I'm not just sitting here posting. I've been very serious about my dancing since day 1. As I said above, I read at least 95% of the time I am in here. I'm too selfish to want to come here just to give tons of advice. I'm here to learn how to maximize my income.
I know it seems insane that I am arguing this hard. I was an admin on a board with around 200,000 members for 4 years and we constantly debated stuff like this so I'm just used to it. Don't mind me :)
Oh bleh.... :yuck:
I don't think you can compare apples to oarnges as far as wages go. For instance, I have danced for well...quite a long time as you all know. When I worked at Spearmint in Vegas, yes, I was consistently making between 600-1000 a night with bad nights mixed in. Now that I am in Milwaukee, and I work at the biggest club here, I do average about 250-400 a night. Now, I am the same person, same hustle and if I hopped on a plane tommorow I would be making that again. I find it REALLY offensive to say "oh sad little three hundred dollar a night earners." I mean, WTF? I work in a club with an average of 60 girls a night. That is DOUBLE what most girls in my club average. DOUBLE. And I'm sorry, I will be fucked if I hadn't known a stripper in Las Vegas on the best shift at Spearmint who OFTEN had a 300 dollar night. I know I did. And I'm also the only girl I know who CONSISTENTLY kept customers in VIP for over 4 hours. Oh yes, yes I did. Sadly, I don't work in that marketplace anymore. So....yeah. That set my blood a boiling a bit.
I had a $300 night tonight. I must be a horrible human being....
I don't necessarially equate high earner to how much someone has earned in a club. I've seen girls make less than I do but had it all the fuck together investment-wise it just floored me. Of course this is Hustle Hut and we want people who are good at the job.
But I want Lena, 'cause I like a girl that is happy being mediocre. Hahahaha. :lol:
i think we should have some way of distinguishing between various levels of advice on here. a newbie trying advanced hustling strategies before she's mastered the basics just comes off like she's read a manual and would have better luck and make better money if she just acted like a regular newbie. i know that when i first started dancing, this forum probably hurt my income, really...and there was some great advice on here then too, i just wasn't ready for it.
maybe some stickies would be good. a basics sticky. an intermediate sticky. and an advanced sticky. don't give advice in one till you've mastered what comes before.
also earnings don't necessarily reflect on knowledge. they reflect on application of knowledge, though. when i'm in the mood, i make great money (not top earner, though, i admit). when i'm not in the mood, i might not make house. my knowledge stays the same. plenty of people can see what works and not be able to do it. maybe we should start distinguishing between "advice" and "ideas worth trying". or maybe not.
Same here. That's why the numbers don't always matter. We have $10 dances here, it's just not going to add up to what you can get from hours in a sky box. But the basic information still applies, and I like hearing all the different ways clubs are run. I think the ridiculous advice is pretty easy to weed out. But I agree, I do miss more of the quality stuff, it's so helpful.
I think years of experience doesn't always apply either. I've seen optimistic/energetic newbies run circles around bitter vets, just as I've seen awkward/arrogant newbies pale in comparison to experienced hustlers.
I believe Jenny was making a point, using a tongue in cheek phrasing to drive the point home, along with some good old fashioned sarcasm, considering she's stated that she is in that 250-400 earning range.
*sigh*
Can't folks read carefully instead of skimming and flipping out? Just for one month, I want that out of SW, however unrealistic of a hope that might be...
I just want to say I totally agree! This happens in real life too....I hate hearing girls giving out advice and then bitching how they made $40 on a busy Friday night.
What a fun tactic::)
Britt this girl sounds VERY familiar to me....I've worked with her before, and she is known to travel about the region so it wouldn't surprise me if she was down in md. I bet its who I'm thinking of!
VP - that phrasing was, indeed, tongue in cheek. I was making a point about a seeming polarity in earnings. The simple fact is that a few years ago $300 a night would have been thought of as low earnings, not medium earnings. Whether that is because of what girls admitted to or talked about or whether there is an actual change, or whether there is a higher representation on SW from non-big city environments, I'm not tracking. I'm pointing out why it might seem that girls here are either "excellent" earners or on the verge of donating organs for money.
Offtopic: on the subject of organ donation once a couple years ago I had reason to price my ova. Mine have pretty good value. Anyone who has taken the SATs or GREs - this is another thing those scores are good for. Your genetic material could be worth some good money.
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Oh my bad. You and your damn irony! (LOL!!!) I read the whole thread but I totally missed the point, that coupled with me being sleep deprived and bitter for stripping for that amount of money back home. I totally apologize.