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Figuring out how much money he has
lol, i mean of course there's the nonchalant-wallet-glance, showing him the atm and seeing how much he pulls out... but I was wondering... do you guys ever just ask the guy what he's got?
Or what do you think the best way to find out how much he has to spend is?
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Re: Figuring out how much money he has
this is assuming the amount in his wallet is the amount he's spending?
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the thing is..you can ask somethign like, " we have VIP's to suit any budget, what's yours" kind athing, but the problem with that is that at a strip club...guys may really think they are only going o spend their allotted $500 or whatever, but when it coems down to it, they can be convinced to drain the bank. So establishing a budget is potentially shooting youseself in the foot.
I perfer to do the VIP tour, starting with the most expensive and working my way down, and when he starts asking a lot of questions, that's where I stop and sell it. For example, he really acts disinterested in the $500 room, but when we hit the $200 room, he's startign to ask what goes on, what it's like, how can he pay..Then the tour is over and I ask him if he's ready to be seated and try it out. after we are through with that one, I can ask if he wants t extend, or if he's ready to move up to the better, " more intimate" room.
I used to try to feel them out by offering VIP's based on what I felt he was interested in spending, like offering either the 500 or 300 room, or if I though that was out of range, going with the 100-200 dollar room...but then I realized I might be misjudging him, he might be interested in spending more. Thats why I stopped assumign anythign and always starting at the top and going from there.
I guess the bottom line is that there is a big difference between how much he thinks he has to spend, and how much he actualyl can be convinced to spend....in the heat of the moment, money starts appearing out of nowhere. he may have firmly stated he was broke after this VIP, but at the end he had so much fun he "remembered" his other credit card. or calls the bank and asks for a temp. increase on his ATM withdrawl or borrow money from his friends...
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I have never seen a VIP tour work, definitely not for me. I think it's a colossal waste of time, sorry PB!
And, you can take note of his attire to figure out how much he might be willing to spend. I think you're forgetting that there's the possibility that he'd spend more than what's in his wallet.
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Well what I figured was that whatever he brings in cash to a club is what he has prepared himself to spend... So i guess the question is how can you tell how much is in the checking (or savings) account?
lol..... i guess there are always credit cards too eh?
I know you hustlers out there have a few techniques to figure out how much you can get out of a guy.... or do you just try to get what you can?
It's just if you have an idea of how much you can get then you know when not to give up ...?
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*sigh*
Do a search paris. Search search search. Search terms like, whale, and big spender. You will never be able to see what his portfolio his, and I'm LOLing that you think you could.
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I don't know if that's a particularly good mind set to have, shooting for a set amount of money. I mean there are all of the regular clues that a guy has money; quality of the fabric that his clothes are cut from, nice watch, nice shoes, good teeth (my fav.), if he tips the waitress well, but these are not indicators of how much he'll spend on you, just how much money he has. I do have the best luck with guys who have money, and I do take more time to close these guys, because my chances are usually better. But, I've made plenty of money off of guys in work boots and dirty jeans too. So, I think it's more about listening to your customer to get clues on how to tailor your approach - i.e. whether you think they want to be treated like a high-rolling, sugar daddy or if they're turned off by that and want to act like he doesn't usually do this, but you just have something special...
Regardless, I always assume customers have a whole lot of money with them. That seems to work the best for me.
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My favorite customers are rich drug dealers, cuz they always look broke. Wearing baggy jeans and work boots, usually, not even nice stuff. Then when they go to buy a dance from me they take out a fat stack of $20s....cha-ching! Ten dances later I'm rich, bitch! :)
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^ oh me too. especially in portland. They're usually young and reckless too, IMO and will just spend hundreds. I had one who was a regular and would come in and bring me buds of his best plants and show me pictures on his camera phone, and would spend at least 300 each time he came in. He was always really good w/ e-mail too, letting me know when he was coming in. best regular ever.
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Originally Posted by
Emily
this is assuming the amount in his wallet is the amount he's spending?
Are you meaning that it might not all be for me? Once he walks into the club everything in wallet for me. Deed for house or pink slip to his car also for me if in wallet.
:biggrin::laughing:
When you first meet the guy the only amount you're most likely to get is what's in his wallet including credit cards. Besides after so many years in the business strippers get secret powers. We smell bullshit and cheap fakers. We also have the power to rub the magic belly ring and be able to see into his IRA, 401K, checking and such. :O
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BrodieLux
My favorite customers are rich drug dealers, cuz they always look broke. Wearing baggy jeans and work boots, usually, not even nice stuff. Then when they go to buy a dance from me they take out a fat stack of $20s....cha-ching! Ten dances later I'm rich, bitch! :)
All the drug dealers at my club are also pimps who are usually only looking to turn me out, and are "above" getting dances, they're always the guys who say, "I don't pay for that."
I do get tipped in weed sometimes, but never from dealers. And I don't encourage none cash tipping. (that isn't meant against Kiera :) )
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Chrissy68
*sigh*
Do a search paris. Search search search. Search terms like, whale, and big spender. You will never be able to see what his portfolio his, and I'm LOLing that you think you could.
geez... it was just a question... and I personally think everyone gave up some pretty good tips... ;D
Any how... i did try to search for "how much money a guy has" but i didn't come up with much... but thank you for the tips on search terms. I'll mos def try them. I've been dancing on and off for over 5 years and never heard of that term "whale" before!
I used to date a guy who sold pounds of weed and had a legal job pouring cement. He'd go to the club after his day job sometimes - smattered with concrete even on his face - and see me after we broke up and just like hand me hundreds of dollars... I doubt I was the only one he'd do that for either :-\
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Cool, but next time, try to think before posting a new thread about other possible terms to answer your question. Also, you searched something too long and very specific. Think short words that define the long phrases, if you can do that.
Whale is a good one to know if you want to go upwards in the business.
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Chrissy68
Cool, but next time, try to think before posting a new thread about other possible terms to answer your question. Also, you searched something too long and very specific. Think short words that define the long phrases, if you can do that.
Whale is a good one to know if you want to go upwards in the business.
wow....
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Originally Posted by
Chrissy68
Cool, but next time, try to think before posting a new thread about other possible terms to answer your question. Also, you searched something too long and very specific. Think short words that define the long phrases, if you can do that.
Whale is a good one to know if you want to go upwards in the business.
..............Seriously?
and ftr the only place I ever heard the term "whale" is on SW.
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MeanGirl
..............Seriously?
and ftr the only place I ever heard the term "whale" is on SW.
It's commonly used in casinos.
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really? it is also a sales term. here, to be my reference.
http://www.amazon.com/Whale-Hunting-.../dp/0470182695
eta: can't speak to how good that book actually is, haven't read it yet. :)
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^^ Interesting. How does knowing that term vs. another term for the meaning help you move up in the business?
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Personally, I could care less about how much money he's got. It's about how much I can get him to spend on me. I've made the big bucks off farmers, business men and young guys. Ranging from no teeth to beautiful teeth.
Once you get him back there, you can keep going till the card gets declined; then just have him give the CC company a call and you're back in business }:D
As for the term "whale", I've heard it before I ever danced. Movies, TV and in business, particularly large investment.
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MeanGirl
^^ Interesting. How does knowing that term vs. another term for the meaning help you move up in the business?
it's a good way to communicate with your co-workers, VIP hosts, management and waitresses that you know what you're doing and what protocol to assume.
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Yup. that's what I meant, coming off as a veteran, as opposed to a green newbie.
For example, in marketing and advertising, if I said to a client that "I wanted to know what was working for us advertising wise and what wasn't", (sounds awkward-ish) instead of saying that I would "check the measurability of the advertisements after they've been aired for x amount of time", he might wonder how experienced I was. By using the right terms for the field you're in, you show confidence to many people.
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Chrissy68
Yup. that's what I meant, coming off as a veteran, as opposed to a green newbie.
For example, in marketing and advertising, if I said to a client that "I wanted to know what was working for us advertising wise and what wasn't", (sounds awkward-ish) instead of saying that I would "check the measurability of the advertisements after they've been aired for x amount of time", he might wonder how experienced I was. By using the right terms for the field you're in, you show confidence to many people.
I am aware of the meaning and am a veteran dancer,however if i used the term "whale" at my club (guessing it's regional- when used in actual srip clubs as opposed to casinos, etc.) no one would know what i was talking about.
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I can see what you mean Chrissy, it was just the way you came off... like you were trying to put me down cause I didn't know what it was instead of offering a helpful tip.
In Hawaii no one uses that term. At least not in the clubs I worked at. If they did I would have heard it. I seriously can't see how using jargon that no one else uses is going to give me THAT big of a step up.... other than lording my superior vocabulary over the unenlightened.
And btw I really did try to think of search terms but my brain just wasn't coming up with things. It's not right to put people down for having a brain fart moment like that. I can understand you don't like repetitive threads... but really is it such a big deal that you need to get so condescending?
Anyways... i think the mood of this thread is hopelessly negative at this point. Jump ship!
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No, the point I was trying to really make was to use the search function. It's one of my largest pet peeves that someone comes on here and starts a new thread that has been done 71245623056 times before, yanno?
But, knowing terms is a good thing. Makes you more knowledgeable about your job and to others in your field, in any field, not just dancing.
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Ya know, I once started a thread asking this question, and I still feel like we've not yet written the book on it. Like, asking it again is not such a bad thing. Maybe it will bring new info and new answers from people who havent contributed before.
BTW, I've been dancing 6 months now, and I'm getting better at figuring out who has money, but it's not that cut and dry. It does seem like strippers who have been doing this longer do have some kind of psychic ability to just "smell the money" somehow.
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I do a shoe check... nice shoes with an avg. outfit = good sign. Nice clean tennis shoes with a nice outfit = good sign. Illegal Mexican immigrant (yes, really) = good sign (not as willing to spend, but always has tons of cash on hand) = good sign. Those 3 things work best for me. Lots of ladies I know turn down a guy in jeans and a polo wearing nice shoes and pass on to the guy in the jacket and Rolex. Who tends to spend more? The guy in jeans and tennis shoes! The other guy tends to just be looking for a lot of Return for Minimal Investment. E.g. he may tip or spend $100, all night talking about his business, a deal he closed, etc. This guy is a time waster most times. The key is for YOU to get the best ROI, not the guy. If you can do win-win (in their eyes)- even better!