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Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
In another thread, I basically got accused of being part of the problem when I stated that I enjoy dancing and would probably continue to do it even if my money went down a little bit. Now, we're not talking $100 a shift or anything, I wouldn't stick around for that. But if I started averaging under $300 a shift, I'd still dance until my educational goals are met.
If it's a choice between working in a cubicle or working in the club, for the same money, I'd pick the club every time. Cubicles are my idea of hell, and a bad night in the club is better than my best day as a corporate slave.
Again, we're not talking about a huge decrease or anything like that. It was simply a discussion of averages and some saying they wouldn't want to get naked for strangers for under a certain amount. That's fine and dandy, but some of us really enjoy what we do. We don't mind dancing for strangers. I make a good living as a dancer, and wouldn't trade it right now if someone offered me the same amount to sit in a cube all day.
I don't see how enjoying the job relates to the downturn of the industry. After all, we aren't talking about extras or OTC activity. We're talking about what most of us do right now, dancing in the club, doing private dances, champagne rooms, etc.
Opinions?
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
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Agreed with you. I've been dancing since 2000, and I really have seen a down ward money making in this industry. I mean, gosh when I started as dancing at a small club in vacation town, I never even ASKED for dances (don't know why, I waited for people to ask me) and was all around majorly prude and scared. I easily made 300 dollars a night anyway.....Now in Milwaukee, I have to work hard to make 300, and so does everybody else in the club. It sux.
People have way less disposable income and also I really believe the availability of internet porn / escorts of craigslist/ adultfriendfinder, etc has made sex so much more accessible to the average person and they have less interest in going to the club or spending mad money there.
Also people just aren't booming financially anymore, money is tight for everyone.
PLUS a huge thing is that now corporations can't entertain customers at strip clubs, which SUCKS. I saw those fucking bitches on 20/20 that made that sued their fortune 500 corporation for that. They didn't want to entertain there...ugh. I
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
When I first started dancing, I remember saying that if the money were the same, that I would pick dancing over a regular job (to me at that time, regular meant juice bars and other crappy jobs for a 20 year old in college). Now that I have my degree, I'd like to start my career (well, I planned on stripping a few times a month still to keep up my income). As if starting a career straight out of college wasn't hard enough, now the economy's got to make it harder? Boo. I feel stuck. I'm going back to school... Not because I've ever had some driving urge for an MBA, but because there's nothing else I can do right now to keep a glaring hole from my resume.
So, I still "like" my job, I still make money, I still like money. :) But, I'd rather not feel a little stuck in it right now.
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
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VegasPrincess
when I started as dancing at a small club in vacation town, I never even ASKED for dances (don't know why, I waited for people to ask me) and was all around majorly prude and scared. I easily made 300 dollars a night anyway
Ha, I remember those days. ;D
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i agree with that, too. i don't want to work a job where i have to get up early in the morning, be on time to an exact minute, dress professionally, etc. that may sound flaky but that's just how i feel.
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Yeah, I hate desk jobs...which is why I left mine. I can't imagine ever going back. And I'm allergic to alarm clocks.
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i love my job for many reasons, i have bad days and weeks like anyone else but i truely do like it. i have fromt he beginning 6.5 years ago. i wont stop till my knees buckle and people stop wanting dances. im too much of a i do what i want when i want type person and cant even imagine working a office job. i would rather work in a factory then an office if it ever came to that. which is part of the reason i have so many tattoos i could give a shit about a "professional career".
being a drone is not in my life path.
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I hate desk jobs, too, though I loved working at the library. If I could get a good paying library/museum job I'd dance only once in a while. I love doing it, but it's a little dreary right now, until I'm qualified to do something else or move to some slightly better area of the country.
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i almost WISH i would do something else if i got paid enough. even if my day job working with kids paid me 100k a year, i dont know that i'd want to do it every day. i think i just like having the balance.. a school in the day and a strip club at night lol.
i have been getting frustrated with dancing lately but i think its more certain people and stuff like that than the actual job.
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Just keep in mind there are so many other options besides sitting at a desk. I think ex-dancers ( or girls who are part timers ) are particularly well prepared to do things like turn hobbies into careers, run/manage/own small businesses ect. There are other jobs where you can get up late, set some of your own hours, ect.
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For me, I stopped enjoying the job when I felt like I no longer was getting more out of dancing than I would doing something else. But I'd been working on an exit strategy for a while (mainly having done volunteer working during the day), so when the right job came along I was very qualified -- in fact, I was able to put 'Entertainer' on my resume and it was a huge plus in my getting hired! (I manage adult clients for an alternative newspaper)
I do have a cubicle job. Right now I'm in my cube, posting on SW! Nothing is not safe for work. I'm the only person in charge of what I do -- no one second guesses me and everyone has my back. It is a 9:30-5 job, but I take my breaks when I want. I live 5 blocks from home and walk home for lunch when I want. I only have about 5 coworkers and we all manage different accounts so there's never any clash of responsibilities. One of my coworkers has facial tattoos. I wear whatever I want to work. I'm wearing a miniskirt and tank top right now!
I think that having an non-dancing job affords a certain kind of freedom that's different from being a dancer. Most of my friends are not dancers, so I can be in sync with their social schedules. All of my insurance is paid for by my company. I'm saving up enough money so that I could leave my job if I wanted to -- though a month of paid vacation a year is a nice incentive to stay. I'm able to tell people what I do -- my mom finally knows what my job is!
I also find it immensely rewarding that, since our newspaper is published every week and is considered very hip, every week I just... walk out onto the street, into a bar, anywhere, and I see people enjoying my hard work.
If you're happy with dancing and you don't think that there's anything else that would make you happy, then by all means keep doing it.
But for myself, there reached a point where I felt working every night got me down, where I wanted to prove myself with a different sort of hustling (this is nominally a sales job), where I wanted to meet people in a different environment, where I wanted to listen to nothing but my music. And so I started searching.
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I don't think there is a correlation between enjoying the job and the decline of the industry....exactly. I mean, probably not in the way you enjoy the job. But I know we've all seen those attention starved girls that think dancing is so "fun" hanging out with the customers for free, not hustling dances, selling cheap dances (or cheap extras)...because dancing is so "fun", they are happy men are paying attention to them, and they are happy making 100-200 dollars while selling themselves and everyone else short.
THAT is partly what is causing the decline of the industry.
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^^^That wouldn't happen if they'd stp hiring girls who should be grateful for any male attention. They should hire the ones bringing much more to the stage.
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
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Starfire
I know we've all seen those attention starved girls that think dancing is so "fun" hanging out with the customers for free, not hustling dances, selling cheap dances (or cheap extras)...because dancing is so "fun",
I think dancers like this have been around for a long time. I also think that most of the dancers that are the way you described are doing so because they are either drinking or drugging. Its just one big party to them untill something really negative happens that wakes them up. People learn when they're ready I guess.
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Optimist
^^^That wouldn't happen if they'd stp hiring girls who should be grateful for any male attention. They should hire the ones bringing much more to the stage.
Agreed.
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
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Starfire
I don't think there is a correlation between enjoying the job and the decline of the industry....exactly. I mean, probably not in the way you enjoy the job. But I know we've all seen those attention starved girls that think dancing is so "fun" hanging out with the customers for free, not hustling dances, selling cheap dances (or cheap extras)...because dancing is so "fun", they are happy men are paying attention to them, and they are happy making 100-200 dollars while selling themselves and everyone else short.
THAT is partly what is causing the decline of the industry.
Absolutely. But like you've said, that's not what I meant when I said I enjoy my job. A lot of girls really look forward to the day they get to quit dancing, which is understandable for a lot of people. On the other hand, I've never "had" to dance and it's always been something I enjoy.
I guess it was the insinuation that "people like me" are dragging the industry down because we actually like what we do that pissed me off. I mean, seriously, do I come off as the kind of dancer who gives her time away for free or doesn't take the hustle seriously? I hope not, because that's not at all how I am. Perhaps it was just an attempt to get under my skin. I guess it worked! lol
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
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Andygirl
I guess it was the insinuation that "people like me" are dragging the industry down because we actually like what we do that pissed me off.
and this bothers you? You can't really put too much into what people on the internet say.
And technically, you're not supposed to keep a thread going that's been closed by starting a new one. It got closed because this is getting repetitive and pointless. People will do whatever the fuck they want.
Don't sweat it.
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It wasn't my intention to keep anything going. I just wanted to know how other girls felt about it. It is a legitimate topic for discussion.
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Andygirl
Absolutely. But like you've said, that's not what I meant when I said I enjoy my job. A lot of girls really look forward to the day they get to quit dancing, which is understandable for a lot of people. On the other hand, I've never "had" to dance and it's always been something I enjoy.
I guess it was the insinuation that "people like me" are dragging the industry down because we actually like what we do that pissed me off. I mean, seriously, do I come off as the kind of dancer who gives her time away for free or doesn't take the hustle seriously? I hope not, because that's not at all how I am. Perhaps it was just an attempt to get under my skin. I guess it worked! lol
d to the i to the t-t-o
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
I don't really like giving lapdances, but sometimes I have fun talking to guys. Some guys are fun company, it's true! Fun insofar as it's like 'haha, you're reasonably smart and funny...I like that I'm making money off you!'. Mostly though, not so much.
HOWEVER, I like that when I'm dancing there is so much freedom. There are lots of jobs I hate more than dancing, that's for sure. And none of them pay NEARLY as well. I still wouldn't think that I'd dance for crappy crappy money though. Part of what makes dancing so appealing (which I can't quite see as the same as 'fun', know what I mean?) is the MONEY! Lol. When I am having a good night, part of the appeal is 'gee, and I'm getting paid lots and lots for this! hooray!'
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Re: Is there a correlation btw enjoying the job and the downturn of the industry?
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Starfire
I don't think there is a correlation between enjoying the job and the decline of the industry....exactly. I mean, probably not in the way you enjoy the job. But I know we've all seen those attention starved girls that think dancing is so "fun" hanging out with the customers for free, not hustling dances, selling cheap dances (or cheap extras)...because dancing is so "fun", they are happy men are paying attention to them, and they are happy making 100-200 dollars while selling themselves and everyone else short.
THAT is partly what is causing the decline of the industry.
Ugh. We have one of those girls right now.
The drunk party girl type.
She's FRESH out of high school.
I believe her exact words were: "omg I was the girl everyone wanted to be and the girl every guy wanted to be with."
*gag*
I watch her every night just treating it like a party.
She's always asking me how I do so good since i'm not "young and popular".
Eesh.
But ya, I love my job and in general enjoy it and don't see that as causing a downturn in the industry. It's more the party girl giving it up for free thing that fucks shit up.
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Sirona
But ya, I love my job and in general enjoy it and don't see that as causing a downturn in the industry. It's more the party girl giving it up for free thing that fucks shit up.
I think that was the original intent of the comment, but the OP took it personally. it was about people with low earning standards. And it was CLOSED.
but still....people are taking Stripperweb way too seriously. If I got all in a huff every time someone didn't agree with me, I'd have like 200 drama llama threads.
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If I could find another job that paid well enough to cover my bills until I finish my Master's and PhD, I would quit dancing in a heartbeat. I may not be banking right now, but I'm far better off than when I was a server or a bartender.
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ok this is the THIRD thread i have closed just today. ya'll need to seriously chill the fuck out. i just had to delete a whole thread that might have been useful because of the bickering.
this thread is to continue a closed thread. which is NOT allowed. closed