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would that make a difference?
Sorry I don't have anything innovative to contribute but I've been wondering this too. The hardest part for me is figuring out who to ask and how to bring it up. If some guy wants to get 1-3 songs, I don't want to freak him out by saying "would you like to do an hour for $240?"
Another problem I see is how to time it. I don't want to constantly be glancing at my watch.
:blindfold :banghead: when i worked at scores west i would do this sll the time espicialy when there were fight nights on some saturadays. ::) i would make like 700 off of stupid men. i saved them like a $1000 by just chsrging them for the bott;e service and getting paid from that.:P
Ooh, when searching threads for customers tipping I saw a few threads (although didn't open them) about charging for time. There are def. threads about this out there in HH, try searching Molly, I have nothing for you, since I rarely did this. I think I searched the words "tip after dance" in advance search and only within HH forum. Anyways, i hope you can find it, i gotta run out for now (making curtains and off to buy the fabric :)). Lemme know if you can't find and I'll try to help you later babe.
Okay, I do this at my club. And I'm at a lap dance only club (just $20 dances in a "VIP area") I'm also in a city which def. does not have customers conditioned to buy chunks of time.
I have luck with out-of towners, and guys who I really hit it off with. Usually what happens is we are having a great time talking and I'll say something like, "I love hanging out with you! This is so much fun, I think you should keep me company all night!" something like that, or, "Do you know what? We should get a few drinks and sneak away to the back, so I can cuddle with you there." If they are savvy to SCs, they'll right away ask, "how much would that cost?" or "sounds expensive, how much is that?" then I quote them a price, $200 for half an hour, or $400 for an hour, depending on what I'm feeling. If they don't get what I'm saying, I just spell it out, "We have !/2 hour VIP dances for $xxx and hour VIP dances for $xxx"
The other way I do it is after 1 or 2 dances with a guy, I'll say, "you're so sexxxy...(blah, blah...whatever SS I want to use) I don't want to keep stopping between songs, let's just just work something out for a half hour. I want to stay with you, this is a lot more fun then sitting out there on the floor, isn't it." I have the most luck with that one.
These are probably things you already know, but I thought I'd contribute what works for me.
And, it's REALLY REALLY good if I can sell my time this way. Selling dances by the song SUCKS in my club, because I work mid shifts and the pace can be excruciating. Really, you girls in big clubs wouldn't believe it, the DJ will play entire 6 minute songs, he'll play 2,3 minute bumpers (not even music, sometimes just clips) while some lazy dancer makes her way to the stage. I swear, I must lose an hour a day of unsellable time, because we don't do tight 3 minute songs back to back. So I could have a guy on the couch and in 30 minutes, potentially only sell 4 dances, $80. But, if I could sell that as a chunk...much better.
Well... idk about this, It was common practice amongst girls at the first club i worked at and since then I dont know why i haven't a kept it as part of my hustle cause it's actually a good technique... but you have different "types" of shows that cost a subsequentially larger amount of money... Basically yeah, your inventing a way to upsell.
So lets say that your normal vip costs 240 an hour... you tell him that you want to take all your clothes off for him right from the start... but that costs 350 an hour... or that you want to give him a "GFE" which costs $450 an hour. What you actually do in the vip room could actually be virtually the same no matter what they get... your just putting different names on it to get higher prices... although it's probably better to actually make some differentiation between the different titled dances. And you can make up all different kinds of ways to make the show "better" for more $$!
The one club i used to work at had a lot of extras girls so i used to use that to my advantge by offering a "masturbation show" at $90 a song. lmao... I'd fool some guys that thought i was gonna give them HJs but I'd just sit there and rub myself... and actually gave them a really good show that i most def wouldn't have done otherwise :) too bad for them i never touched their weewees. Funny how you can really use specific words to your advantage sometimes.
Ugh...I hope if you were rubbing yourself it was above the thong, even so....I dunno about all that.
I started a thread like this before and the outcome was that I was pretty much screwed. It's just not how things are done where I am.
I think an hour of dances and an hour of time is way different. And hour of time you could end up only doing a few dances, and like you said as much as we'd like to think thats worth X amount it usually isn't. If you did an hour of total dances then you're obviously putting more effort into that and should be paid higher for that, but usually thats not what guys want, and you're not going to be paid like you did all that work in a place with no real vip.
I've always had more luck getting a guy to "vip" and saying "I'll dance a the next song", they agree and then I talk to them about something they obviously like talking about. I'll stand up and get in dancing position still agreeing with them and they'll usually say "oh, well lets keep talking, I'll still pay you" and they set 20 on the table. then I do some real dances and then repeat. Not really a sure thing though like setting a fee is.
When I have gotten paid for time, or selling a chunk of dances I always get the money up front "just to get it out of the way". That way if he's a creep you're in control and not him. Also if he doesn't have the money...you've just wasted an hour.
Sorry I don't have any solid advice.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to time it without constantly glancing at a watch?
LOL, at $90/3-minutes? Thats $1800/hr! I guess we all have our price.... and i'd just kind of rub around... and I tried to keep hand sanitizer around for that purpose in particular... And I wasn't breaking any rules.
But anyways... the point was to invent different titles for what kind of time you spend with them to charge more. It could work.. it might not... it's just an idea. And one that worked well at the particular club i was at... I more than doubled what I was making on average, but i did also use it mostly for shows....
7 regular songs is about 28 minutes, so keep track of songs, and then after 7, you can look. That's how I've always done it when I had to time my own VIPs.
If you have a hard time counting to 7, then another thing is by thinking of girls on stage as blocks of time.
So, like, if you start your half hour, and a girl is starting her 2nd (of 2 songs), then you know you will be ending when the 3rd girl after her has finished her set. Obviously this takes counting too, but it's only to 3 instead of 7.
Thanks Emily!
Would it be tacky to set a timer on your phone or something? I got stuck in VIP for about 50 minutes last night when it should have been 30 because the dumbass who was supposed to keep track of time wasn't doing her job.
what?? I said when I was searching I saw stuff that could help, but had to run out... and I did have something to contribute — that I knew there were good threads and that when I got back I'd search em out for her because I had JUST seen them earlier this morning. And Molly KNOWS I wasn't telling her to search in the same way I told the newbie posters to, she knows better, it was more of a oooh i saw that and i know you will see it too but i gotta run cuz im late post. Holy shnikes, welcome to SW whoever the fuck you are. :O
second, hustle tips are NOT always changing LOL!!! Plus, you're not even a dancer, so WTH are you doing even posting about how to hustle? They are not like updates for internet explorer or firefox! There are tried and true methods that have worked for ages and still work, and of course there are always newer methods that work too. But the thing is, there are several threads on the same page of hustle hut that are on the same damn topic. So instead of thinking they are inventing the wheel, it helps to tell Noobs to do a search because the wheel (or thread) was already invented. It's even a friggin sticky:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...18&postcount=1
Molly, here is one thread about blocks of time, and another about tips for conversation.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...t=selling+time
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=804806
very tacky! you have to at least make it seem like you want to be with him and it's not just "clocking in" and "clocking out."
You can't rely on VIP people to keep your time for you. That have no incentive to do so and actually an incentive to ignore you (bigger tip from the customer.) Wearing a watch is essential. You look at the beginning and if he sees you, you can say something like, "just making sure so we don't get cut short or anything" ...plus he likes this because it tells HIM what time it is and he knows you'll be staying honest. It actually surprises me how many guys don't look at the time before a timed block with a dancer. If you forget your watch, you've got to subtly use his.
And then at the end, "oh, damn. I just looked at my watch and I have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is that 30 minutes is up. The good news is that we are still open. *smile*"
You really need to be able to keep your own time. Sometimes you can't help waiting for them to ring up the bill, but you don't have to be naked, sitting on his lap while this is going on.
Molly - here is what I am thinking. I know this doesn't sound like the best sales approach but I think it might work for a test run. We get a customer who is the talky/dancey/talky type and we get the sense he will spend.
Me: I'm ready to dance for you. Let's go!
*We walk to dance booth and he sits down*
Me: Are you comfy?
Him: Yes
Me: Our dances are $20 a song but if you'd like to stay awhile I'd hate you to pay that much. We could do 1/2 hour for $150 or an hour for $250. What best suits you?
I might also say something about how we can relax more without counting songs....... I dunno.
Also, if they ask I think I will say songs are cut to 3 minutes each which comes out to $400/hour.
I am going to time the songs at the Den. I swear that they are super longer before 7pm and then the DJ starts to cut them. I wonder if it's similar to your club.
I like the way $150 and $250 sounds but do you think we should make it $140 and $240 because so many men carry twenties?
Just out of curiosity, when do you plan on asking this? I always get a sense of which guys say yes because I used good sales techniques and which guys said yes but would have said yes no matter what. So basically middle-aged white men who love to talk and require little convincing is a clue to me they will spend. Anything else? I have absolutely no experience upselling anything and I'm scared bigger numbers will freak them out. I know I shouldn't be though!!
Yeah , but offering a "masturbation show" could automatically get you arrested for prostitution. Once you get to VIP(or on the floor or stage) simulation of sexual activity is also worthy of arrest. And "GFE" is a term used in the prostitution industry as well. I would be careful advising those things.
In my experience in a club without a VIP room , i would offer my time at 175 per 30 min or 300 per hour. This was a little beer only club and I would offer to pay for his drinks(1.5 beers and they usually only had one or 2, they went on a tab for me and i paid it at the end of the night ) during that time also, i made a post that explained it better somewhere but that's the jist.
It worked well and usually the way i sold it was when someone asked me "so how does your VIP work?" or "so what's the deal here?" I would tell them my deals just like it's normal ....(instead of we dont have VIP dances are 20 bucks)
"My best selling VIP experience is an hour with me for 300. you get a few dances,special time with me and i will buy your drinks during that time." they will either accept or ask about other options then i went down the list in descending price order. I required payment up front or a credit card to be ran at the bar.
By the time I left that club at least 3-4 other girls were doing this regularly.
About the timer thing.
Some people might think this is tacky too, but it's what I do.
I set my alarm with a ringtone to go off five minutes before the dances are over. When it goes off, I pretend it's a text. I look at it briefly and then apologize to the customer, saying it's my kids sistter checking in (or some family or whatever) and to carry on. Then I know I have ab out five minutes left and then I guesstimate to five minutes and bam, time over.
Thanks, good tips Molly! I like the "walk out of here with a smile" thing. Lately on guys who say "I'm just leaving" I respond "Well let me take you for a dance and finish off your night :)" but I like "walk out with a smile" better!
Let me know how it works for you. I will probably be in for my next shift Thursday and I plan to get at least one "upsell".
Molly, no prob chica. Any day, for you ;). I hope they help. Yanno who would be good to PM on the subject? Lena.
^^^ You should always follow the rules of your club and the laws in your state when it comes to offering "different types" of shows. I know I did.
Some other ideas for different types of shows: fetish shows (naked feet, acting like a little girl, bdsm)... basically if you know or think a guy is into something out of the ordinary you could potentially ask a higher price for it... it also "differentiates you from your competition", which could lead him to becoming a regular.
Thanks for starting this thread, molly. My club is just like holiday's and Joplin's club. We have a beautiful upstairs VIP area, but we only make money by selling $20 dances, so I usually just keep my ass downstairs and sell the HELL out of dances. Guys are constantly asking me, "So what is upstairs all about?" The next time a guy asks me this, I'm going to tell him if he wants to spend an hour in private with me up there it will be $300 an hour... especially if it's an out-of-towner (most of the locals here are pretty cheap and wouldn't go for it). The thing is, to get up there, they have to buy a bottle of (at least) $75 champagne. I'm wondering how I'm gonna set that up, or if I should include that with the $300? GGGrrrrrr... I wish we had a standard VIP hustle at my club, too! :(
I would definitely include the price of the champagne in whether you charge $375 or $300. "It's $375 and it includes a free bottle of champagne" sounds better than "It's $300 and you have to buy a very expensive bottle of champagne". Just my 02