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Is this considered stealing?
Okay, last night was a great night for me, I know it's not much money but I made $520 last night and I've never broken $350 before. Anyway, this is how my night went:
7pm there were 6 guys in the club the minute we opened. Two of them sat at the stage and were drunk and loud but having fun. They threw at least $50 on stage for every girl that came out. So the night started great and I made my house fee during my first set. I paid it immediately, so that I knew anything that I had in my purse at the end of the night was all mine. I sat and chatted for about 1/2 hour and then one of the guys I was speaking with bought a VIP and since he only had $25 (price of the dance) his friend that I'd also been speaking with handed me $20 for the tip. I went back to the same group when I was done with the dance and their other buddy took me back for 2 dances. He also gave me a $20 tip. Nice! I ended up selling about 14 more single dances throughout the night.
Here's where the issue came to play. I approached a guy and gave him a dollar dance. Afterwards, I asked him if he'd like a vip and he said sure. He bought one dance and liked the dance so much that he then bought a 1/2 hr with me. Yes! He only tipped me $20 (for 8 dances total) but I appreciate any and all tips. He left the VIP and I stayed back there getting freshened up so I wouldn't have to go back to the dressing room. I came out and he flagged me down again. He asked "do you have any friends that are talented like you?" I said "would you like to do a 1/2 hr with whomever I choose as well?" He agreed. I looked up and saw a girl that I really like and I pointed her out. She was doing a dollar dance, he looked and said he liked her so I caught her eye and motioned for her to come over. So while she finished her dollar dance, I threw in; "You know, you'd have double the fun if you took us BOTH back for the half hour. Did you know you could do that?" His face lit up and before he could answer, my girl walked over. I immidiately offered an answer for him, I told her as he stood next to us. "This gentleman would like to take us both to VIP for a 1/2 hr." (I'd seen him flip through about $1200 so I knew he had the money. lol) He said he'd love to but asked us to come back in 5 mins. Kayla, being the hustler that she is says "That's fine but let's buy the ticket now so we can reserve the bigger room." He handed her $200 and we went and got our tickets. We get back there and let me tell you, this guy is drunk out of his mind. We dance for about 15 mins and she says to him "would you like to do another 1/2 hr with us? It'll be another $200 OR you can do 4 dances for $70 each and it'll only be $140." He says okay and hands her $200 (he didn't specify which he'd like to do so she took the whole $200) she came back and said "okay, we're here for another 1/2 hr."
We were both grinding on him and she mouthed to me that she didn't pay for another half hour, she kept the $200. 15 mins later, the counter guy comes and lets us know our 1/2 hr is up. We start getting dressed and the guy is looking at his watch. (obviously not positive that he'd been back there for an hour.) She distracted him by asking for a tip. He hands her a bill and says "Here, you two can split the $20) She quickly put the money in the waistband of her skirt, turns to me and mouths that he handed her $100 by accident. Then he whips out a $20 and hands it to me and says "Oh here you go, now you two don't have to split the other $20, you can have $20 each."
So...we go to a back table and split the money down the middle. We ended up with $260 each just from the guy handing us the wrong bill and unknowingly paying $400 for a $200 dance. I felt kinda bad, I'm happy that I have the money but I feel like I was dishonest in not saying anything. What do you ladies think?
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Re: Is this considered stealing?
Did he give you guys $400 with the intention of getting and hour or with the intention of getting a half hour?
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to me its not stealing. its work. the only thing that constitutes stealing at my job is getting into someones wallet physically. but thats just me. if he would have complained i might have felt a little bad but you should keep track of your money in a SC of all places.
if i see someone even drop a single in real life i tell them, but at work, im pretty heartless about money i guess.
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Yeah, I wouldn't feel good about that. Could you get in trouble for using the vip w/o paying the club for the second half hour? How much is your cut from the 200? and that was for both of you? Wow that seems like really low VIP pricing. Anyways, I wouldn't work with that girl anymore,it sounds like she is used to ripping guys off.
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Yes, it's stealing.
Why wouldn't you just take his money in exchange for legitimate services, rather than screwing him over? Like, sheer joy of it?
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^^^Yeah, that's how I feel! He was willing to spend the money, so why not earn it? So what if he only tipped $20, it's a tip!
He paid $400 with the intention of getting 1 hr but he only got 1/2 hr.
VIP prices:
1 song: $25 (dancer keeps $10)
2 songs: $40 (dancer keeps $20)
4 songs: $70 (dancer keeps $40)
1/2 hr: $100 (dancer keeps $50)
It's even club rules that if a guy buys one dance and hands you a $50 for tip, we are supposed to ask if he'd like change. So I assume the club is really strict on morals.
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Seems pretty clear cut. If he paid $400 for an hour and you only gave him a half hour, that is stealing. He paid for a service and you did not deliver.
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btw, those cuts are TERRIBLE!
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but he didnt complain and didnt mention anything, so he could possibly have not cared or not noticed, not that it makes "stealing" any better, but he should have paid more attention.
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Originally Posted by
sparkleeyz
He was willing to spend the money, so why not earn it? So what if he only tipped $20, it's a tip!
He paid $400 with the intention of getting 1 hr but he only got 1/2 hr.
And because of you following through w/ scamming him like you have probably lost a good repeat customer. You get repeat business by good customer service. Not being a ROB
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I understand that you couldn't necessarily bust the other girl in that moment like that without screwing all of you to the wall, but I'd keep it in mind when you are working in the future. I mean, it is not worth it to save half an hour that you've already been paid for.
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^^^ Yeah, that was my dilemma, I didn't want to get her into trouble but I still didn't and don't feel right about it. I will never work with her again. I hate to be put into a situation like that.
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Wow, those VIP prices are insane! I couldn't imagine having to hand over a "cut" of my lap dance money, VIP or not.
At my club, dances are $20, and we keep $20. We do pay a flat house fee of anywhere between $10-35 (although if you get there on time, there is no fee).
So - 2 dances in VIP and you only get to keep $20? What else do you have to pay for? Do you have to do other tip-outs in addition to that? Maybe it's because I'm so new, but that just seems crazy to me.
The other girl sounds more like a con artist than a good "hustler".
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I don't consider it stealing (from your pov) but it's bad business.
If I noticed some one gave me the wrong bill I'd say something about it. Hustling is one thing but ripping someone off is another.
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Joplin
I don't consider it stealing (from your pov) but it's bad business.
If I noticed some one gave me the wrong bill I'd say something about it. Hustling is one thing but ripping someone off is another.
She said he paid $400 for an hour but they only gave a half hour and then said "time's up."
That is different from paying $400 for a half hour and getting a half hour.
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^^^^Wow! I need to move to TX. We pay a $40 house fee and then tip the dj and housemom. Plus! there are jukeboxes in the vip rooms....the club expects US to pay $1 per song to dance. I never pay it, I always ask the guy for the money but still. It's nuts.
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Definitely not ethical, but he did voluntarily hand over the money, so not stealing.
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Paris
Definitely not ethical, but he did voluntarily hand over the money, so not stealing.
Yeah but he voluntarily gave over the money with the expectation to get an hour of VIP! When you pay money for a service and that service is not delivered, that is stealing.
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Originally Posted by
NewMoon
She said he paid $400 for an hour but they only gave a half hour and then said "time's up."
That is different from paying $400 for a half hour and getting a half hour.
He initially paid $200 for a 1/2 hr. Halfway through the 1/2 hr. she stopped dancing and asked him to buy another 1/2 hr. I had no idea that she was going to do that and I was still dancing when she stopped after 15 mins. She left when he gave her the second $200 and acted like she paid. We kept dancing and the counter person came in and told us our half hour was up. (the 1st half hour that he'd paid for) then he intended to hand her a $20 for our tip but accidently handed her a $100 and didn't realize it. Sorry, I'm not sure if I was clear in my initial post.
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It seems like stealing to me too. This is why I feel so bad. I feel like, if I went to get a massage and I paid $200 for a half hour massage and the masseuse (sp?) asked if I'd like to pay $200 for another half hour and I agreed but she took my additional $200 and only gave me 30 mins total.....I'd beat the shit out of her for stealing my money.
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Paris
Definitely not ethical, but he did voluntarily hand over the money, so not stealing.
By that logic if I go to Target and the cashier says 50 dollars and i think she says 150. and give her 150. if she keeps the 100. she's not stealing?
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WTF!!!! that clubs takes almost 75% of YOUR money.
No wonder that girl feels the need to STEAL(yes it was stealing)
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NewMoon
She said he paid $400 for an hour but they only gave a half hour and then said "time's up."
That is different from paying $400 for a half hour and getting a half hour.
I don't believe I ever said it was the same...?
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I think maybe what Joplin meant was that it was the other girl who was culpable, and not the OP?