Well that's what I look like now (minus all the muscle) so I guess I'm not a real woman yet and guys should feel perverted for finding me attractive. ::)
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I think there are different ways of looking at people, some of which are more normal than others.
And the distance and the harm is not the point. You wouldn't likely think that it was perfectly normal for the same guy to look at a toddler on television and think "what a great toddler-ass" just because him watching her on tv couldn't harm her in the slightest. The point is how he is looking, not whether it is tantamount to sexual assault.
I've seen pics of you and you don't look undeveloped like those girls. Now I know everyone on here wants to be exceedingly understanding of men's vices, but I seriously don't understand how anyone can think being attracted to underage girls is ok. Especially when they not only are underage, but look excessively young as well.
BTW - Totally agree with Jay. I'm talking about the perverts, not the people who glance at the girls and think "She's cute." There is a huge difference.
ETA - What the hell is up with the bitchy-ass eye roll anyway? I wasn't going to say anything, but, I'm having quite a bad day and don't need the snarkiness. I don't always agree with your opinion either, but manage not to be mean about it.
From that pic, I don't see any of those girls as being under 15 or 16. They have womanly bodies and faces, curves to their hips and breasts. They don't look like Jessica Rabbit. They look like young women.
They do have more muscular looking legs than most kids, but waist, hips, torso, boobs all look pre-pubescent / puberty onset to me. Maybe in areas where the young girls really diet themselves to death older girls look like that, but I'm down here in the south and pretty much all the teenagers at the mall look a hell of a lot curvier than that. I really wasn't kidding about my cousins daughter either. She just turned 9 and looks very much like those girls. We know several couples with daughters in that age range and this seems pretty normal.
:) i'm an ex-competition gymnast and my body was really messed up until i was 18, no periods and problems with my skin from using sweaty kit ha!
But I'm still really small and bony sadly I know thats sometimes my USP and it icks me out dancing for guys when i know they're thinking i'm younger than i am!
If anyone were ever to specifically say 'i like you cos you look barely legal' then i'd just walk away though - there's just no need for that behaviour.
Male gymnasts however are just HOT and generally a good ten years older, my boyfriend is an ex-gymnast too ;)
Well, I completely disagree. Those girls look like any other teenagers, only more athletic. And one of them is 20-years-old. She certainly doesn't look 13. I didn't have boobs and butt and a small waist until after I hit puberty. Pre-pubescent girls usually have flat chests, no waists, and no ass. These girls have all of that, plus they look their age in the face. And again, they are athletes, which is going to make their bodies less curvy because they have no body fat. But that's hardly the same as being "underdeveloped."
I wouldn't consider it abnormal at all for people to find these girls attractive. I'm not talking about jerking off to their photos, I'm talking about looking at them and thinking, "Hmm, she's got a cute little body."
So what you're saying is that it is ok for men to find a 16 year old attractive if she looks 30, but it is "damn disgusting" to check out a 20 year old who looks under age. I'm just checking to see if I'm reading this right because it defies logic.
And why the bitchiness? I am sick of hearing that a petite frame with small breasts and a small hip to waist ratio is not what a "woman" looks like. You've seen pics of me with makeup and posed provacatively. They'd look the same in such pics, I bet. Put me in a fucking unitard, pull my hair back into a bun and no makeup and I'd look just like them--except that they're super muscular.
We had a little person feature dancer at our club recently. She was like 2 feet tall, walked like a toddler, and looked like she was wearing a diaper because of her build. Is any man who finds her attractive a disgusting pedophile? Does she have to go through her entire life without feeling sexually desired by a man (or woman) because he'd be a sicko to find her hot? I guarantee you that 20 year old on the gymnastics team is not going to magically develop someday. That is her natural body and she is a grown, sexual woman. If she bought some tits would that make her more acceptable?
^^^ Well said.
I think we have a case of someone getting out over her skis......And either didnt actually watch the US gymnasts....or is just bringing some of her own baggage into this conversation.
There are 6 girls on the U.S. team.....2 of them are 20, one is 18, one is 17, and 2 are 16.
and they look it....their hips are curvy, they have breasts(of course they are squeezed down with a sports bra...and then some more by a tight leo)....
They look absolutely NOTHING like my 11 yr old daughter in a leo....who hasnt reached puberty(much less gone all the way through it like these girls).....But they look quite a bit like her 18 yr old teammates.
and you think that 8 yr olds that look like this is the NORM?
On an even more perverse note, just imagine how excited those with the elusive spandex fetish must be during the olympics!
Just to clarify; are you saying that it is a good thing when people sexualize toddler bodies because an adult woman with a toddler-like body should be able to feel attractive and sexual too? Like if a guy picked out a toddler silhouette from a line up of female silhouettes that he found desirable, you wouldn't be all "Well that's kind of disturbing"; you would think "well this is excellent news for little people"?
Because I think there is a difference between finding differently shaped adults attractive, and fetishizing shapes generally associated preteens and children.
^^^I'm simply arguing that it isn't fair to call the little person/toddler body shape exclusively a toddler shape-- it obviously isn't if thousands of grown little people have that stature. Like, that reduces their unique and specific stature to a comparison. I'm trying to think of a parallel. Like maybe when a handsome black man stars in a new film and they say he is the next Denzel Washington. No, he's not. He's him.
Same goes for not-so-extreme examples. I am small and not at all volumptuous. This seems to be a matter of debate (yep, another eyeroll), so let's just say for argument's sake that I am one of those very, very small, "underdeveloped" looking women. That is just what I look like. I would hate to think that a man could never be with me and find my body desirable just because he and society think he is a pervert. I would also not take kindly at all to be told I have a "child's" body. It is obviously not a child's body, because *I* have it. I'm getting sick and am spacy so I hope this makes sense.
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My perv!
fastest man on the planet is hung!!!
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Go ahead Dottie. Keep being a bitch. You started it with the snarky eye-roll as I said in my earlier post. I'm not arguing anymore. Obviously attraction is determined by much more than your body shape. I'm simply stating that guys who whack-off to pics of very young underage looking girls are pervs. The kind that molest their own daughters and anyone else near them. There are several in my family and they aren't shy about talking about what they find attractive in front of the entire damn world, so YES, I fucking find it disgusting when I find someone who seems to have similar preferences. As a matter of a fact I just got back from my aunts funeral and had to actually hear my pervert relative who is in his 70's discuss sex with an underage druggie girl who he has been seeing for years while at his own daughters wake.
This is true and it is good for us to be reminded, but I suspect it is more a rhetorical than real difference. Like I said above - if we showed an average man a lot of female silhouettes and asked him to pick out a sexually desirable one - would you feel comfortable if he picked out the toddler one - or rather, in deference to the point you made above, the one that would be commonly recognized and/or fetishized as the toddler one? Would you think "That is a very healthy choice since there are adult women shaped like that"? There is just an unmistakable difference in responding to an adult woman with a slender and small shape, that might resemble a shape commonly recognized or fetishized as pre-teen and fetishizing and responding to that shape itself.
I just wanted to respond in a dialogue type way to offset the potential fight.
Im gonna go out and say it:
I do not think there is anything creepy whatsoever about someone being attracted to someone else who looks significantly young. It is wrong to pursue younger women (and younger men) because of the differences in power that large age gaps tend to create between individuals, especially when one person is an independent adult and the other is kid with little independent life experience. The reason why it is wrong for older men to pursue younger women has nothing to do with their bodies or the way they look and it never has. To say otherwise is to be unfair to those women who are of age but appear much younger than they are. Someone can be attracted to and date such a woman and not be a creep about it because he is attracted to an adult. It is when a person cannot give informed consent due to a lack of significant life experience that a problem arises. We need to keep in mind that issues like these have to do with people and not bodies, that to declare value statements based upon certain bodies (or upon the action of finding those bodies attractive) is oftentimes antifeminist and a surefire way to guarantee that patriarchal values persist and womens bodies remain valued for reasons beyond their own control.
If a woman is not curvaceous then she is not curvaceous. Not creepy at all and saying otherwise is projecting issues onto their bodies that do not belong there.
Just sayin.
I'm really not sure where you are finding the 16 year olds that you are using for comparison when you state that these girls do not resemble much younger girls. My friends and relatives who have children this age don't do anything to make their girls develop faster, yet they are all much curvier and even have a leaner, older looking facial structure.
Also, I'm very sorry if you don't think it's a major red flag when someone finds a girl with this build attractive.
BTW - Dottie, I believe you are wearing no makeup in your self-tanner photos. Even in that photo you look much willowier and feminine than those girls and although you aren't overly volutuous, you appear to have a nicely indented waist that isn't caused by overdeveloped shoulder muscles. You also don't have the face of a child, which makes it plainly obvious to me that you are a grown woman.
I'm not sure when we decided it was ok to become so socially accepting of sexual deviance that we strive for reasons to excuse men from sexually persuing those that are underage, but it really disgusts me and I'm therefore done with this thread.
Translated: Feel bad, women with younger looking builds. The only men who will ever find you attractive are perverted creeps with laten pedophilia, and it is all your fault. Sorry, but nature decided to fuck with you on this one.Quote:
Also, I'm very sorry if you don't think it's a major red flag when someone finds a girl with this build attractive.
I do not mean to be snarkie but the issues surrounding womens bodies and the value judgements we place on them are important. It is not about men pursuing women who are underaged. It is about you saying that women who look underage somehow only attract men who are perverted creeps. The whole underage thing is about life experience, emotional maturation, and social position. Bodies are biological and our responses to them are programmed into our biologies. Thus if someone has an underaged appearing body (whatever that means) but is an adult and is dating an adult in a consensual relationship then there is nothing creepy going on. Pretty much.