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Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
Please don't misinterpret what I've said while I'm trying to leave the thread. It's rude. I never said someone was a pervert for finding an adult woman with few curves attractive. I made a point of stating that attraction was influenced by many different factors, including face and personality.
However if someone is struck by some unknown disease that makes them appear 12yrs old for their entire life (face, skin, and body), if some man gets to know the poor woman and is attracted to the entire package (personality included), then there is nothing wrong with that, however if guys passing her on the street find her attractive, then I'm sorry, but they are fucking perverts.
I'm sick of arguing this point and am never going to think it is ok to be attracted to very young girls.
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jasmine
Please don't misinterpret what I've said while I'm trying to leave the thread. It's rude. I never said someone was a pervert for finding an adult woman with few curves attractive. I made a point of stating that attraction was influenced by many different factors, including face and personality.
No, you've just said that you think anyone who finds those gymnasts attractive is a pedophile--even though they are all at least 16, and some are 17, 18 and 20. Obviously you have personal issues that have colored your viewpoint on this, and I'm sorry for that. But it doesn't make it ok for you to generalize based on your experiences alone.
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Commenting on the Chinese girls is pervy. They're like, 11.
Commenting on Shawn Johnson's ass is fine. Underage means that legally you can't and shouldn't touch it...doesn't mean it's not attractive.
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Andygirl
Obviously you have personal issues that have colored your viewpoint on this, and I'm sorry for that. But it doesn't make it ok for you to generalize based on your experiences alone.
My thoughts exactly.
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Jay Zeno
If there were a clothing malfunction on one of these ladies, I bet a broadcast network or website owner could be fined or otherwise prosecuted for publishing underage nudity.
We live in a strange world.
Child nudity is not illegal or else parents would be arrested time and time again for taking pictures of their kids in the bathtub and photographers like David Hamilton wouldn't be able to sell their books on amazon.com
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NinaDaisy
I agree. If they were making comments like that about 12 year olds though, then it would be fucking gross. And I think it's also kind of gross for much older guys to lust after 16 year old even if they are pretty much adults at that point.
In general, people lust after that which would be most beneficial in terms of procreation. Whether you're a hot young dude or a nasty 50+ y/o, a desirable mate is a desirable mate.
It would make no sense biologically for men to be physically attracted only to older women as they mature.
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^ but it makes sense socially in a civilized society.
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jasmine
The problem I have with this is they are little kid curves, not female curves. Hell, me and most of my classmates had more curves at 10.
There are lots of women who don't have the same curves as other women and I think it's insulting to argue that the more "curvy" you are the more "womanly" you are. Hell, I'm not very curvy myself but I still consider myself 100% woman.
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ViolaStrings
^ but it makes sense socially in a civilized society.
It makes sense for men 50+ to not mate with 16 year olds, but it still makes sense to check out their butts.
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^ but if you follow the train of logic that everyone is going on that it's harmless to look, then can't you logically arrive at the conclusion that young girls should be able to strip or pose nude? It IS harmful to these girls to know they are being lusted after.
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jasmine
NowI know everyone on here wants to be exceedingly understanding of men's vices, but I seriously don't understand how anyone can think being attracted to underage girls is ok. Especially when they not only are underage, but look excessively young as well.
Why do I think it's okay? Because you can't help attraction. Seriously, if we could choose what arouses us, where do I sign up?
However, we can control our actions and this is where I draw the line.
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ViolaStrings
^ but if you follow the train of logic that everyone is going on that it's harmless to look, then can't you logically arrive at the conclusion that young girls should be able to strip or pose nude? It IS harmful to these girls to know they are being lusted after.
I never said it's okay for underage girls to strip but I think it's fine for them to pose nude under certain circumstances.
How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is "harmful" for a 16-year-old girl to know she is being lusted after? I knew at 16 and I don't see how it "harmed" me.
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^ I think it's pretty obvious why it would be confusing and stressful for a 16 year old girl to know that she is the object of sexual desire for much older people. Seriously. Think about it.
Read this book. It's great.
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^ I don't think most guys who find underage girls sexually attractive possess the trait of decency.
Read this article:
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jasmine
I'm simply stating that guys who whack-off to pics of very young underage looking girls are pervs. The kind that molest their own daughters and anyone else near them.
This is a long shot. I masturbated to a lot of whacked-up shit and I would never harm anyone. One of my closest friends is actually a man in his early 50's who has a younger-girl fetish and I know 100% that he would never hurt anyone ever. Men can masturbate to Playboy without intention to rape women and men can also masturbate to pictures of young girls without intention to rape. I hold this opinion on these premises:
1. You can't help attraction and trying to deny it and cover it up is dangerous.
2. You must find non-harmful outlets for your attractions.
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ViolaStrings
^ I think it's pretty obvious why it would be confusing and stressful for a 16 year old girl to know that she is the object of sexual desire for much older people. Seriously. Think about it.
Read this book. It's great.
http://www.amazon.com/Lolita-Effect-.../dp/1590200632
Thanks, looks interesting.
Here is another good book:
http://www.amazon.com/Harmful-Minors...9109863&sr=1-1
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^ your friend who is attracted to young girls is a sicko. Seriously. There's something wrong with people who aren't turned on by people in their peer group.
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Wha? I realized that I was an object of sexual desire for much older men when I was 14. I wasn't stressed or confused. It was just like, "Oh, here we go..."
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ViolaStrings
^ your friend who is attracted to young girls is a sicko. Seriously. There's something wrong with people who aren't turned on by people in their peer group.
Yup, it is sick. People are sick. It's a fact of life and we have to deal with it.
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Not to rehash a discussion I already had in blue, but "adult" has two main definitions, one is defined biologically through the sexual maturation process, one is defined legally. Pedophilia would be attraction to someone not yet an adult under the biological definition, acting on an attraction with someone not yet a legal adult would generally be statutory rape, regardless of their biological adulthood. Note that neither case cares about the status of the other.
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Dottie Rebel
Wha? I realized that I was an object of sexual desire for much older men when I was 14. I wasn't stressed or confused. It was just like, "Oh, here we go..."
hehe, me too! I thought it was interesting to have a new sort of "control" over them.
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NewMoon
Thanks, looks interesting.
Here is another good book:
OMG. Are you serious? You're trying to compare avoiding sexualizing young girls to eliminating sex education? Really? You don't see an appropriate middle ground?
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ViolaStrings
^ your friend who is attracted to young girls is a sicko. Seriously. There's something wrong with people who aren't turned on by people in their peer group.
What I find disturbing about your attitude is that it encourages people who are attracted to young girls to deny their feelings, feel ashamed, and cover it up. I guarantee that attitudes like this ENCOURAGE child molestation. When people feel comfortable acknowledging their attraction they can seek help without help and learn healthy outlets.
As much as I would like attraction to children to not exist, it DOES and we have to deal with it the best way possible.
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NewMoon
hehe, me too! I thought it was interesting to have a new sort of "control" over them.
We shouldn't derive our power or influence over others from our sexuality. It shouldn't even occur to teenage girls, not in a society that has a healthy view of girls and treats them thusly.
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jasmine
Please don't misinterpret what I've said while I'm trying to leave the thread. It's rude. I never said someone was a pervert for finding an adult woman with few curves attractive. I made a point of stating that attraction was influenced by many different factors, including face and personality.
However if someone is struck by some unknown disease that makes them appear 12yrs old for their entire life (face, skin, and body), if some man gets to know the poor woman and is attracted to the entire package (personality included), then there is nothing wrong with that, however if guys passing her on the street find her attractive, then I'm sorry, but they are fucking perverts.
I'm sick of arguing this point and am never going to think it is ok to be attracted to very young girls.
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If a guy gets to know the woman he's fucking, then it's okay if she has an underdeveloped body? But if he passes her on the street and wants her then he's a "child molester type"?
No one is saying they are attracted to very young girls. But I believe they are saying it's a normal, biological impulse to check someone out who appears to be of breeding age. It's very different from taking physical advantage of an innocent person who cannot give consent. I believe there are people here who are getting rightfully offended that you are saying that women have curves, and they look underage if they don't.
So now children where you are have curves too? So you think we need the government to tell us the magic age to be attracted to someone. That sounds pretty puritanical and archaic to me.